Next time your in the neighborhood stop by :-)

cm


"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message
...


"cm" wrote in message
...
Geez. You and I could enjoy a drink and good conversation together.


Rum or beer in the summer. Single malt scotch any time (at least lunch).
I like Oban or Macallan but I'm not too picky.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

I had better stay away from that one:-)

cm


"Chris" wrote in message ...
cm wrote:
Chris,

Maybe you need a new sex partner. GRIN

Do you want to make that suggestion to HER in person? Can be arranged:)



cm
"Chris" wrote in message ...
badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

Now we have hope that our new President, governing
from the center, will nominate centrist Justices who
don't cynically interpret the Constitution for the
benefit of religious fanatics, corporate thieves
and anti-environmental hatchetmen.
I think you have been drinking the MoveOn kool-aid too much. Obama is
the most socialist senator in the Congress and his policies have
reflected such. If you're happy that's great but I will be even
happier when you share your wealth with me because I certainly will
need it when there are no more jobs to go around and energy costs
skyrocket. Let us know if you're still happy in two years.

Promised, I will. Until then, how about you start using your own brains?
Try it, thinking on your own is a wonderful feeling, better than sex.

Douglas Johnson wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote:

Desertion in the face of enemy fire, or going absent without leave
is a classic Democratic ploy.

I don't know of another time it's happened. Do you? At the time, I
thought it was pretty clever tactic. The redistricting was partisan
politics at its worst. The leadership was even blocking parking
places for staffers of decamped representatives.

The leadership did other things, too, like cancel the Democratic member's
cell phones. The theory was that if the members were in New Mexico or
Oklahoma and not attending to state business, they didn't need parking
places or state cell phones.

Redistricting IS partisan. Before redistricting, the breakdown was 17-15 in
favor of the Democrats. After redistricting, the result was 21-11 in favor
of the Republicans.



When the Democratic members of the House decamped
to New Mexico, their compatriots from Colorado made a provisioning
run to bring them sustenance and succor. Several carloads of beer
and peaches (I'm not making this up) sustained the crew until they
could bear New Mexico not a minute longer (I think it was about two
days, or until they ran out of beer).

Yeah. And then they went to Oklahoma. Good gawd. How desperate can
you get? They survived there a week or two. Now that's real
fortitude.

I think they split up. House members went to a motel in New Mexico, Senate
members went to a member's dacha in Oklahoma. Or vice-versa.

I have never cared one tiny little bit what consenting adults do in
private and I never will. It is when they shove it in my face and
expect me to condone it in every way that I object. I also object
when the consequences of others actions become my responsibility to
pay for.

Reply:

Amen to that. I mind mostly when I must also act like it's agreeable to me.
Like someone shoving dog doo under my nose and saying, "My, doesn't this
smell wonderful?"

Steve

SteveB, 11/5/2008,9:42:47 PM, wrote:

I almost cried when I saw the hammer and sycle flags they young
people were waving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtLFJjFQCA

And that would be why? Because you don't support the constitution right
of free speach?

One person waves a flag, and that makes you cry?

Don't have much faith in the American voter, do you?

Not much of an American.

Some of us honor the right of everyone to express their opinion. Not just
those who agree with us.

I also mind when people burn and stomp our flag. Or show disrespect to our
country or our moms and dads who died defending it. If that makes me any
less of an American, then I guess I'm not up to being one of the "new"
Amerikans.

Oh, yes. I'm an American. I served my country. I vote. I pay taxes. I
observe the law. I put a flag on my father's grave every Memorial day at
the military cemetery. But I'm an old American. We don't consider
everything under the sun to be a "right", but classify some things as
privileges and honors. And to be handled as such.

Steve

retired54 wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

Olddog, I have a question for you and I'm not trying
to be nasty or contentious. It's actually a serious
question. What form of government is The United States
of America? I'd really like to know what you believe.

TDD

what's your point?


You didn't answer the question.

TDD

Lisa BB. wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote in
:


Olddog, I have a question for you and I'm not trying
to be nasty or contentious. It's actually a serious
question. What form of government is The United States
of America? I'd really like to know what you believe.

TDD


The people have spoken. Please don't be so patronizing with your veiled
rhetoric.

A simple question, he didn't answer.

TDD

retired54 wrote:
"Lisa BB." wrote in message
...
The Daring Dufas wrote in
:

Olddog, I have a question for you and I'm not trying
to be nasty or contentious. It's actually a serious
question. What form of government is The United States
of America? I'd really like to know what you believe.

TDD

The people have spoken. Please don't be so patronizing with your veiled
rhetoric.

Oh I don't need any help!

Thanks anyway.

These misinformed people amuse me!

Thanks

Olddog


You still didn't answer the question. There was nothing
contentious, nasty or abusive about it. It was simply
a question about what you believe. Perhaps I'm wrong to
attempt intelligent communication with you when a simple
question is perceived as somehow threatening. Please
forgive me for offending you.

TDD

On Nov 6, 6:01*pm, Douglas Johnson wrote:
BobR wrote:
I agree, it was partisan politics at its worst but you also have to
consider that it was pretty much tit for tat since the existing
districts in place at that time were so convoluted in the opposite
direction that the democrats deserved what they got. *They had been in
control for the prior 100 years and they had been redrawing the
districts to ensure democratic wins in the majority of districts.
When that failed, they abandon ship.

Sigh. *I don't let my grandchildren use the "he hit me first" excuse. *Why
should I let politicians? *


I also don't let them run away and pout just because the get what's
coming to them.

I really laughed my ass off during that time. *They looked so foolish,
like a bunch of children that if they couldn't be in control...they
would just quit.

Both sides were being very childish. *Three, count them, three special sessions
to redistrict. *Meanwhile, they were busy ignoring school financing. *We really
need politicians that put country (or state) ahead of party. * They seem to be
equally scarce on both sides of the aisle.

-- Doug

Yeah, they were. When we vote for the politicians simply because they
belong to one party or the other, because they are white or black,
because they are good looking, or any of a host of reasons beyond
their ability to represent the views of the voter, we get what we
deserve.

The Daring Dufas wrote:


Olddog, I have a question for you and I'm not trying
to be nasty or contentious. It's actually a serious
question. What form of government is The United States
of America? I'd really like to know what you believe.


The form of government? The American Way.

There's no other government like it, nor has their ever been. It's basically
republican in form, with heavy doses of both democracy and bureaucracy.

BobR wrote:

Yeah, they were. When we vote for the politicians simply because they
belong to one party or the other, because they are white or black,
because they are good looking, or any of a host of reasons beyond
their ability to represent the views of the voter, we get what we
deserve.

When a politician gets to Washington, it doesn't matter much whether he's
liberal or conservative, whether he's selfish or has the best interests of
his district foremost. What counts is which side of the aisle.

The very first vote a congressman makes is for Speaker of the House. That
vote is always along party lines and the outcome has more effect on
subsequent legislation than any individual bill that comes before the body.

Consider John Dingell, a Michigan congressman. He's a life member of the NRA
and a strong supporter of gun rights. But as a Democrat, was obligated to
vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker. She, as Speaker, controlled subsequent
committee appointments and chairmen. These folks, in turn, controlled all
bills coming before the House, including those involving guns.

It's the same in any parliamentary or quasi-parliamentary system. In other
words, it's not so much the position of the individual representative, but
the views of people with whom he associates that determines.

HeyBub wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
Olddog, I have a question for you and I'm not trying
to be nasty or contentious. It's actually a serious
question. What form of government is The United States
of America? I'd really like to know what you believe.


The form of government? The American Way.

There's no other government like it, nor has their ever been. It's basically
republican in form, with heavy doses of both democracy and bureaucracy.


I wanted Olddog's answer. If I wanted your's, I
would have asked you. I really wanted to get an
answer from the ancient canine. For some reason
he declined to answer and then some liberal wacko
politically correct woman chimes in thinking
that my question was somehow contentious. Liberals
are an entertaining lot, almost as much as my
Southern Baptist cousins.

TDD

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
HeyBub wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
Olddog, I have a question for you and I'm not trying
to be nasty or contentious. It's actually a serious
question. What form of government is The United States
of America? I'd really like to know what you believe.


The form of government? The American Way.

There's no other government like it, nor has their ever been. It's
basically republican in form, with heavy doses of both democracy and
bureaucracy.
I wanted Olddog's answer. If I wanted your's, I
would have asked you. I really wanted to get an
answer from the ancient canine. For some reason
he declined to answer and then some liberal wacko
politically correct woman chimes in thinking
that my question was somehow contentious. Liberals
are an entertaining lot, almost as much as my
Southern Baptist cousins.

TDD

Oh, come now. You asked a direct to the point easy to answer question. You
should know that the liberal intellectual elite don't answer questions like
that. If we were not so stupid and misinformed, we would realize how racist
and irrelevant and intolerant our questions are..

Zoot wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
HeyBub wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
Olddog, I have a question for you and I'm not trying
to be nasty or contentious. It's actually a serious
question. What form of government is The United States
of America? I'd really like to know what you believe.

The form of government? The American Way.

There's no other government like it, nor has their ever been. It's
basically republican in form, with heavy doses of both democracy and
bureaucracy.
I wanted Olddog's answer. If I wanted your's, I
would have asked you. I really wanted to get an
answer from the ancient canine. For some reason
he declined to answer and then some liberal wacko
politically correct woman chimes in thinking
that my question was somehow contentious. Liberals
are an entertaining lot, almost as much as my
Southern Baptist cousins.

TDD

Oh, come now. You asked a direct to the point easy to answer question. You
should know that the liberal intellectual elite don't answer questions like
that. If we were not so stupid and misinformed, we would realize how racist
and irrelevant and intolerant our questions are..


I know, they think that everyone who disagrees with
them is a Republican. My brother has a saying that
I wish everyone would understand. "Republicans disgust
me but Democrats are special, they horrify me." The
next four years will be quite interesting.

TDD

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
Zoot wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
HeyBub wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
Olddog, I have a question for you and I'm not trying
to be nasty or contentious. It's actually a serious
question. What form of government is The United States
of America? I'd really like to know what you believe.

The form of government? The American Way.

There's no other government like it, nor has their ever been. It's
basically republican in form, with heavy doses of both democracy and
bureaucracy.
I wanted Olddog's answer. If I wanted your's, I
would have asked you. I really wanted to get an
answer from the ancient canine. For some reason
he declined to answer and then some liberal wacko
politically correct woman chimes in thinking
that my question was somehow contentious. Liberals
are an entertaining lot, almost as much as my
Southern Baptist cousins.

TDD

Oh, come now. You asked a direct to the point easy to answer question.
You should know that the liberal intellectual elite don't answer
questions like that. If we were not so stupid and misinformed, we would
realize how racist and irrelevant and intolerant our questions are..
I know, they think that everyone who disagrees with
them is a Republican. My brother has a saying that
I wish everyone would understand. "Republicans disgust
me but Democrats are special, they horrify me." The
next four years will be quite interesting.


They will be interesting indeed. If the Republicans don't develop some
backbone, and if Obama sticks to his far-left agenda and doesn't reign in
Pelosi, we will see all kinds of liberal social bills come out of congress
and the Whitehouse. Democrats don't understand that tax revenue is not
unlimited. They will push taxes back up to where they were several decades
ago, or higher, and implement some of the most liberal social bills this
country has ever seen. The real question is, how long will it take for the
voters to cry "enough!"? We are setting the stage for another Ronald Reagan
to step forward and sweep the democrats out of power. If the spineless
Republicans can find him, that is. Otherwise, America will continue to
descend into socialism and eventually become another third-world socialist
country.

Zoot wrote:

They will be interesting indeed. If the Republicans don't develop
some backbone, and if Obama sticks to his far-left agenda and doesn't
reign in Pelosi, we will see all kinds of liberal social bills come
out of congress and the Whitehouse. Democrats don't understand that
tax revenue is not unlimited. They will push taxes back up to where
they were several decades ago, or higher, and implement some of the
most liberal social bills this country has ever seen. The real
question is, how long will it take for the voters to cry "enough!"?
We are setting the stage for another Ronald Reagan to step forward
and sweep the democrats out of power. If the spineless Republicans
can find him, that is. Otherwise, America will continue to descend
into socialism and eventually become another third-world socialist
country.


Revenue IS unlimited.

RALEIGH — Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on
proposals to confiscate workers’ personal retirement accounts —
including 401(k)s and IRAs — and convert them to accounts managed by
the Social Security Administration.

http://www.carolinajournal.com/artic...y.html?id=5081

--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
~ Karl Marx

Zoot wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
Zoot wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
HeyBub wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
Olddog, I have a question for you and I'm not trying
to be nasty or contentious. It's actually a serious
question. What form of government is The United States
of America? I'd really like to know what you believe.

The form of government? The American Way.

There's no other government like it, nor has their ever been. It's
basically republican in form, with heavy doses of both democracy and
bureaucracy.
I wanted Olddog's answer. If I wanted your's, I
would have asked you. I really wanted to get an
answer from the ancient canine. For some reason
he declined to answer and then some liberal wacko
politically correct woman chimes in thinking
that my question was somehow contentious. Liberals
are an entertaining lot, almost as much as my
Southern Baptist cousins.

TDD
Oh, come now. You asked a direct to the point easy to answer question.
You should know that the liberal intellectual elite don't answer
questions like that. If we were not so stupid and misinformed, we would
realize how racist and irrelevant and intolerant our questions are..
I know, they think that everyone who disagrees with
them is a Republican. My brother has a saying that
I wish everyone would understand. "Republicans disgust
me but Democrats are special, they horrify me." The
next four years will be quite interesting.


They will be interesting indeed. If the Republicans don't develop some
backbone, and if Obama sticks to his far-left agenda and doesn't reign in
Pelosi, we will see all kinds of liberal social bills come out of congress
and the Whitehouse. Democrats don't understand that tax revenue is not
unlimited. They will push taxes back up to where they were several decades
ago, or higher, and implement some of the most liberal social bills this
country has ever seen. The real question is, how long will it take for the
voters to cry "enough!"? We are setting the stage for another Ronald Reagan
to step forward and sweep the democrats out of power. If the spineless
Republicans can find him, that is. Otherwise, America will continue to
descend into socialism and eventually become another third-world socialist
country.


Unfortunately, the Democrats got their hooks into
the educational system of the country and totally
screwed it up. I remember a quote from one of the
founders of Communism who said something to the
effect of give me your children for a generation
and I'll own your country. If more American people
learned "true" history and understood it we would
not be in the shape we're in today. Democrats brought
us "The Great Society", Republicans conjured up "The
DEA". Those actions are just two of the most destructive
events to occur in The United States. Just wait until
BeeHO starts using Homeland Security to go after
political opponents. I know Hitlery Clinton would.

TDD

Oh, come now. You asked a direct to the point easy to answer question.
You should know that the liberal intellectual elite don't answer
questions like that. If we were not so stupid and misinformed, we would
realize how racist and irrelevant and intolerant our questions are..
I know, they think that everyone who disagrees with
them is a Republican. My brother has a saying that
I wish everyone would understand. "Republicans disgust
me but Democrats are special, they horrify me." The
next four years will be quite interesting.


They will be interesting indeed. If the Republicans don't develop some
backbone, and if Obama sticks to his far-left agenda and doesn't reign in
Pelosi, we will see all kinds of liberal social bills come out of
congress and the Whitehouse. Democrats don't understand that tax revenue
is not unlimited. They will push taxes back up to where they were several
decades ago, or higher, and implement some of the most liberal social
bills this country has ever seen. The real question is, how long will it
take for the voters to cry "enough!"? We are setting the stage for
another Ronald Reagan to step forward and sweep the democrats out of
power. If the spineless Republicans can find him, that is. Otherwise,
America will continue to descend into socialism and eventually become
another third-world socialist country.


Unfortunately, the Democrats got their hooks into
the educational system of the country and totally
screwed it up. I remember a quote from one of the
founders of Communism who said something to the
effect of give me your children for a generation
and I'll own your country. If more American people
learned "true" history and understood it we would
not be in the shape we're in today. Democrats brought
us "The Great Society", Republicans conjured up "The
DEA". Those actions are just two of the most destructive
events to occur in The United States. Just wait until
BeeHO starts using Homeland Security to go after
political opponents. I know Hitlery Clinton would.

TDD

Do you know who the Praying General is? My Home Schooled children know,
because we don't teach them the whitewashed watered down liberalized stuff
the kids in public school are taught. I bet very few publicly educated
children could answer that question. Don't get me started on the damage the
public schools are doing to our children. They have not yet outlawed home
schooling, but remember who told you first - they will target home schoolers
sometime next year. They desperately want to abolish home schooling.



And it is Obama's SS that will come after us political dissidents.

Revenue IS unlimited.

RALEIGH - Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on
proposals to confiscate workers' personal retirement accounts -
including 401(k)s and IRAs - and convert them to accounts managed by
the Social Security Administration.

http://www.carolinajournal.com/artic...y.html?id=5081

--

I'm still trying to figure out if that is tongue-cheek or not. I think
Ghilarducci is very serious, but congress is not yet that far gone where
they are seriously considering doing that. Still - I've been thinking for a
while now about closing my 401K and finding something else to do with the
money other then watch it get flushed down the toilet. Giving it to the
government to manage it, however, is like giving the wolves the keys to the
hen house and asking them to guard it.

Zoot wrote:
Revenue IS unlimited.

RALEIGH - Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on
proposals to confiscate workers' personal retirement accounts -
including 401(k)s and IRAs - and convert them to accounts managed by
the Social Security Administration.

http://www.carolinajournal.com/artic...y.html?id=5081

--

I'm still trying to figure out if that is tongue-cheek or not. I think
Ghilarducci is very serious, but congress is not yet that far gone where
they are seriously considering doing that. Still - I've been thinking for a
while now about closing my 401K and finding something else to do with the
money other then watch it get flushed down the toilet. Giving it to the
government to manage it, however, is like giving the wolves the keys to the
hen house and asking them to guard it.



Buy diamonds and gold, put it in a safety deposit box
at your nearest Swiss bank. Perhaps the government
won't go looking there,..... yet.

TDD

On Nov 6, 11:17*am, BobR wrote:
On Nov 6, 9:18*am, Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Nov 5, 9:29*am, "Stormin Mormon"

wrote:
I cried also. Because the nation I love so much just elected a far left
socialist who may not even be a US citizen. Who will likely continue the
failed policies of the Clinton Regime. Tax the people, spend on social
programs. Encourage immorality and perversion.

Do you really care what consenting adults do in private? *My God, man,
get a grip. *It's none of your business.

Cindy Hamilton

I have never cared one tiny little bit what consenting adults do in
private and I never will. *It is when they shove it in my face

How horrible for you! That you might have to see something you don't
like. Oh, you poor thing.

and
expect me to condone it in every way that I object. *

Frankly, I have to condone a lot of behavior that I object to. You
can too.

I also object
when the consequences of others actions become my responsibility to
pay for.

Again, you have to pay for the consequences of others' actions all the
time.

Why is this topic different?

Cindy Hamilton

On Nov 6, 3:38*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:

Do you really care what consenting adults do in private? *My God, man,
get a grip. *It's none of your business.

You mean like experimenting with explosives, performing surgery, or
concocting new recipes using beets as the main ingredient?

You bet I do.

Then I think you don't want to know what goes on at my house.

Except for the beets. We don't eat them (or do anything else with
them, for
that matter).

Cindy Hamilton

On Nov 7, 11:23*am, "Zoot" wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in ...





Zoot wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
HeyBub wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
Olddog, I have a question for you and I'm not trying
to be nasty or contentious. It's actually a serious
question. What form of government is The United States
of America? I'd really like to know what you believe.

The form of government? The American Way.

There's no other government like it, nor has their ever been. It's
basically republican in form, with heavy doses of both democracy and
bureaucracy.
I wanted Olddog's answer. If I wanted your's, I
would have asked you. I really wanted to get an
answer from the ancient canine. For some reason
he declined to answer and then some liberal wacko
politically correct woman chimes in thinking
that my question was somehow contentious. Liberals
are an entertaining lot, almost as much as my
Southern Baptist cousins.

TDD

Oh, come now. You asked a direct to the point easy to answer question.
You should know that the liberal intellectual elite don't answer
questions like that. If we were not so stupid and misinformed, we would
realize how racist and irrelevant and intolerant our questions are..
I know, they think that everyone who disagrees with
them is a Republican. My brother has a saying that
I wish everyone would understand. "Republicans disgust
me but Democrats are special, they horrify me." The
next four years will be quite interesting.

They will be interesting indeed. If the Republicans don't develop some
backbone, and if Obama sticks to his far-left agenda and doesn't reign in
Pelosi, we will see all kinds of liberal social bills come out of congress
and the Whitehouse. Democrats don't understand that tax revenue is not
unlimited. They will push taxes back up to where they were several decades
ago, or higher, and implement some of the most liberal social bills this
country has ever seen. The real question is, how long will it take for the
voters to cry "enough!"? We are setting the stage for another Ronald Reagan
to step forward and sweep the democrats out of power. If the spineless
Republicans can find him, that is. Otherwise, America will continue to
descend into socialism and eventually become another third-world socialist
country.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Now come on, Obama has promised that he won't raise any taxes on the
"middle class" but then he has also promised to allow the Bush tax
cuts to expire next year. Wonder which of those promises he will
keep. Maybe he figures that the "middle class" would be too stupid to
realize that allowing tax cuts to expire is the same as raising
taxes. Plausable deniability...yes thats it.

On Nov 7, 1:09*pm, Cindy Hamilton
wrote:
On Nov 6, 11:17*am, BobR wrote:





On Nov 6, 9:18*am, Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Nov 5, 9:29*am, "Stormin Mormon"

wrote:
I cried also. Because the nation I love so much just elected a far left
socialist who may not even be a US citizen. Who will likely continue the
failed policies of the Clinton Regime. Tax the people, spend on social
programs. Encourage immorality and perversion.

Do you really care what consenting adults do in private? *My God, man,
get a grip. *It's none of your business.

Cindy Hamilton

I have never cared one tiny little bit what consenting adults do in
private and I never will. *It is when they shove it in my face

How horrible for you! *That you might have to see something you don't
like. *Oh, you poor thing.


Guess a pervert like you must get off on watching all sorts of crap
but I don't. Keep it to yourself and we can both be happy.


and
expect me to condone it in every way that I object. *

Frankly, I have to condone a lot of behavior that I object to. *You
can too.


"Oh, you poor thing."

I also object
when the consequences of others actions become my responsibility to
pay for.

Again, you have to pay for the consequences of others' actions all the
time.

Why is this topic different?


Its not and I am getting damn tired of it too.

Cindy Hamilton- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Now come on, Obama has promised that he won't raise any taxes on the
"middle class" but then he has also promised to allow the Bush tax
cuts to expire next year. Wonder which of those promises he will
keep. Maybe he figures that the "middle class" would be too stupid to
realize that allowing tax cuts to expire is the same as raising
taxes. Plausable deniability...yes thats it.

He doesn't have to let them expire, the poor/middle class are still going to
pay. Consider this - I own a grocery store chain. Obama raises my taxes
because I make a certain amount of money. How do you think I'm going to pay
those taxes? That's right - I'm going to raise my prices. Obama's tax
increases on the rich ain't coming out of *my* pocket, they are coming out
of the pockets of people that buy groceries. But people don't understand
basic economics. They think that taxing the rich is a great idea.

"Zoot" wrote in message
...

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
Zoot wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
HeyBub wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
Olddog, I have a question for you and I'm not trying
to be nasty or contentious. It's actually a serious
question. What form of government is The United States
of America? I'd really like to know what you believe.

The form of government? The American Way.

There's no other government like it, nor has their ever been. It's
basically republican in form, with heavy doses of both democracy and
bureaucracy.
I wanted Olddog's answer. If I wanted your's, I
would have asked you. I really wanted to get an
answer from the ancient canine. For some reason
he declined to answer and then some liberal wacko
politically correct woman chimes in thinking
that my question was somehow contentious. Liberals
are an entertaining lot, almost as much as my
Southern Baptist cousins.

TDD

Oh, come now. You asked a direct to the point easy to answer question.
You should know that the liberal intellectual elite don't answer
questions like that. If we were not so stupid and misinformed, we would
realize how racist and irrelevant and intolerant our questions are..
I know, they think that everyone who disagrees with
them is a Republican. My brother has a saying that
I wish everyone would understand. "Republicans disgust
me but Democrats are special, they horrify me." The
next four years will be quite interesting.


They will be interesting indeed. If the Republicans don't develop some
backbone, and if Obama sticks to his far-left agenda and doesn't reign in
Pelosi, we will see all kinds of liberal social bills come out of congress
and the Whitehouse. Democrats don't understand that tax revenue is not
unlimited. They will push taxes back up to where they were several decades
ago, or higher, and implement some of the most liberal social bills this
country has ever seen. The real question is, how long will it take for the
voters to cry "enough!"? We are setting the stage for another Ronald
Reagan to step forward and sweep the democrats out of power. If the
spineless Republicans can find him, that is. Otherwise, America will
continue to descend into socialism and eventually become another
third-world socialist country.

This scenario has been carried out countless times in history.
Civilizations have been built replete with extravagant government buildings,
and built on the backs and taxes of the little people. Then the ruling
class becomes too top heavy, and the people who support them, feed them,
farm for them, and do all the small stuff for them (including providing tax
revenues) becomes exhausted. Then they result to cannibalism and slaughter
of the ruling class, and what's left is for archaeologists to dig up. The
survivors wander off and are assimilated into bordering cultures, or just
plain die out.

With a little tweaking, that pretty much describes our current situation and
direction.

Steve

Wow.. Pass the cool aide? Now you can elect justices that will
guarantee the right to continue butchering babies??

Funny how the lefties call it butchering and inhumane when PETA whines
about pigs and cows; But when it's innocent babies it's an abortion
'performed' by a licensed physician in a 'clinical' setting..LMAO...

I, somehow, doubt the baby involved is seeing it as a 'performance'
...And how about those partial live birth abortions... More 'convienent;
phrases. Call it what it is - the baby lives and they kill it anyway..

They love words of convience don't they?
Now you're making me cry...


--------------------------------------
From:
...with joy and relief, as I looked out on the crowds in Grant Park
celebrating the election of our new president. So many people -- young
and old, black and white, had tears running down their faces
Obama's speech was just like him -- direct, simple, eloquent, and
quintessentially American. He called us to work for the common good --
not to go shopping.
The "relief" I felt comes partly from lifting the terrible fear that
hung over me for so long: That the next president would appoint Supreme
Court justices who would send our beloved country even further down the
road to a quasi-totalitarian state ruled -- as it has been for the last
eight years -- by unchecked corporate greed unmatched in my (long)
voting memory.
Now, Justice Stevens, at 88, may feel it safe to retire, and Justice
Souter may leave the Court where he has not lately been too happy. The
cabal of Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts will be on the OTHER side of
the 5-4 decisions that have so cynically sold us out on every aspect of
our lives.
People don't often stop and think how directly their lives are affected
by the Supreme Court's decisions.
Now we have hope that our new President, governing from the center, will
nominate centrist Justices who don't cynically interpret the
Constitution for the benefit of religious fanatics, corporate thieves
and anti-environmental hatchetmen.
Obama - You're going to need all the luck in the world, bringing
together a divided nation
"The Audacity of Hope" -- he was already looking far, far ahead.

originally posted by limeylew
"We now have REAL hope for the future."


I totally agree.
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HeyBub:

And so on. Point is, there are often several ways of looking at the
same set of events. Sadly, those not schooled in history or law often
reach simplistic conclusions. As one Supreme Court justice said: "The
Bill of Rights is not a suicide pact."

Your post was helpful in giving insight to how bush supporters convince
themselves he has not significantly damanged this country over the last
eight years. From a cursory view your arguments almost make sense except
they are simplistic and ignore the reality of bush's effect upon America.

The fact is, bush has driven a huge wedge between ourselves and our
alliances and only the shortsighted would believe that alliances have no
place in modern times. Fact is, the countries you named were the ones who
took strong exception to the claims of WMDs and they were correct. Bush
has used 9-11 to greatly expand the powers of government and the executive
office yet claims to be a Republican. Bush has used those powers to erode
our rights and just because it may have been done in the past, does not
make it right. Many mistakes were made in the past from which we have had
the opportunity to learn, yet Bush has not. Bush has spent more money than
any president in history, yet claims to be a Republican. Bush failed to
secure Iraq - fact. Bush failed to win in Afghanistan - fact. Bush failed
to build support among our allies which would have made securing
Afghanistan signficantly easier. Bush's big mouth has increased tensions
between us and our enemies at a time when he has significanlty weakened
our countries ability to respond to threats both domestic and abroad. Bush
talks loudly but carries broken stick.

SteveB:

I almost cried when I saw the hammer and sycle flags they young
people were waving.

Would you have cried at the inevitable nazi flags had McCain won? Did you
cry over the KKK paperbombing after Obama's victory?

HeyBub:

Including those who claim a constitutional right to "free speach."

Including those who are ignorant of the Bill of Rights, or support those
who would gladly abolish it.

Zoot:

if Obama sticks to his far-left agenda

Where do you people get this stuff? You listen to Rush Limbaugh every day,
don't you? Obama is about as middle of the road as we've had in a very
long time.

:

Wow.. Pass the cool aide? Now you can elect justices that will
guarantee the right to continue butchering babies??

For 8 years the Republicans have dominated all 3 branches of government
and yet did not put any significant effort into overturning Rowe vs Wade.
But now all of sudden its a big deal again. Hypocrites. They don't want to
overturn RvW, they need it as a hot button issue to swing votes and fill
coffers.

"Mac Cool" wrote in message
...
Zoot:

if Obama sticks to his far-left agenda

Where do you people get this stuff? You listen to Rush Limbaugh every day,
don't you? Obama is about as middle of the road as we've had in a very
long time.

Since when is wealth redistribution middle of the road? I don't listen to
Rush, and you either don't listen to Obama, or are yourself so far to the
policital extreme that you consider wealth redistribution to be "middle of
the road". Either way, you scare me.

"Zoot" wrote in message
...
Now come on, Obama has promised that he won't raise any taxes on the
"middle class" but then he has also promised to allow the Bush tax
cuts to expire next year. Wonder which of those promises he will
keep. Maybe he figures that the "middle class" would be too stupid to
realize that allowing tax cuts to expire is the same as raising
taxes. Plausable deniability...yes thats it.

He doesn't have to let them expire, the poor/middle class are still going
to pay. Consider this - I own a grocery store chain. Obama raises my taxes
because I make a certain amount of money. How do you think I'm going to
pay those taxes? That's right - I'm going to raise my prices. Obama's tax
increases on the rich ain't coming out of *my* pocket, they are coming out
of the pockets of people that buy groceries. But people don't understand
basic economics. They think that taxing the rich is a great idea.

I'm sure Obama's economic advisers are aware of this and I think you're
looking at it from a simplistic view point. He's not taxing the business
gross, he's taxing the owners income. So proportionally the increase to the
consumer would be negligible.

Fair taxing *is* a great idea. Giving the rich tax *breaks* is not. Which is
why we are in the shape we're in.

Olddog

Mac Cool wrote:
Zoot:

if Obama sticks to his far-left agenda

Where do you people get this stuff? You listen to Rush Limbaugh every day,
don't you? Obama is about as middle of the road as we've had in a very
long time.

What part about the his wanting the government to act as a wealth
redistribution mechanism is middle of the road? And I don't listen to
Limbaugh more than about an hour/year. I happen to get in the car at
certain times and the radio was tuned to the station he is on. I listen
for 10 minutes and then there is the couple month interval until it
happens again. You do know that there are people who thing for
themselves who don't OD on either red or blue kool-aid?

retired54 wrote:

Fair taxing *is* a great idea. Giving the rich tax *breaks* is not.
Which is why we are in the shape we're in.


"Fair" taxing would be based on the demand for government services, not on
income. To be "fair," the poor would pay more, in absolute terms, than the
rich. Sure, the rich drive on government-built roads and benefit from
national defense, so they should pay something. But the rich don't send
their kids to government schools, get treated at the county charity
hospital, accept rent supplements or food stamps, or spend a goodly part of
their lives in jail.

I'm with you on the "breaks" idea. Taxes should be used to fund the
government, not advance government-approved plans or social agendas.

We have the second-highest corporate tax in the world. Only one other
country (Philippines) taxes its citizens on income derived from foreign
sources. That we continue to prevail in spite of these (and other)
criminally unfair practices is a testament to the robustness of our system.

George wrote:

What part about the his wanting the government to act as a wealth
redistribution mechanism is middle of the road? And I don't listen to
Limbaugh more than about an hour/year. I happen to get in the car at
certain times and the radio was tuned to the station he is on. I
listen for 10 minutes and then there is the couple month interval
until it happens again. You do know that there are people who thing
for themselves who don't OD on either red or blue kool-aid?

Rush Limbaugh doesn't tell people what to think - he simply echos what his
listeners already believe. The poster to whom you are responding has simply
confused cause and effect. This, however, is a common malady afflicting
liberals.

Mac Cool wrote:
Wow.. Pass the cool aide? Now you can elect justices that will
guarantee the right to continue butchering babies??

For 8 years the Republicans have dominated all 3 branches of
government and yet did not put any significant effort into
overturning Rowe vs Wade. But now all of sudden its a big deal again.
Hypocrites. They don't want to overturn RvW, they need it as a hot
button issue to swing votes and fill coffers.

No, you go to war when you know you'll win. Until the Supreme Court is a
certain 7-2, neither side is willing to risk the fight.

You're correct about wanting the controversy, not the victory. There are too
many people whose livelihood depends on the continuing controversy.

Jmmv08 wrote:
originally posted by limeylew
"We now have REAL hope for the future."


I totally agree.

But "hope" is not usually a reliable strategy.

In the British military, there was a tactic called The Forlorn Hope,
sometimes known simply as the "hope." Sometimes it worked.

You can read about it he
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forlorn_hope