SteveB wrote:
Heat pump, particularly. Are the cleanable filters the best? They are a
PITA to clean, and I wonder if I get them clean. At a new house I bought, I
have the pleated paper filters. Not el cheapos, but the better ones. They
really catch the dirt. Now I'm confused. What filters the best? The
pleated ones are a little spendy when you consider you change them
frequently, and the washable ones are definitely spendy.

What say ye?

Steve


Hi,
I use washable, two of them. While on is being used one is washed,
dried, kept as spare. I vacuum, then wash it under running tap water,
shake it and dry. You can wash it in a dish washer if you want to.
I have an EAC as well.

Heat pump, particularly. Are the cleanable filters the best? They are a
PITA to clean, and I wonder if I get them clean. At a new house I bought, I
have the pleated paper filters. Not el cheapos, but the better ones. They
really catch the dirt. Now I'm confused. What filters the best? The
pleated ones are a little spendy when you consider you change them
frequently, and the washable ones are definitely spendy.

What say ye?

Steve

SteveB wrote:

Heat pump, particularly. Are the cleanable filters the best? They are a
PITA to clean, and I wonder if I get them clean. At a new house I bought, I
have the pleated paper filters. Not el cheapos, but the better ones. They
really catch the dirt. Now I'm confused. What filters the best? The
pleated ones are a little spendy when you consider you change them
frequently, and the washable ones are definitely spendy.

What say ye?

Steve

Basic disposables as pre-filter, followed by a proper electrostatic
precipitator air cleaner with grids that are dishwasher safe. Just pull
the grids and run through the dishwasher, and replace the disposable
pre-filter.

replying to SteveB, Iggy wrote:
Well, I have to disagree with the others and explain why. A filter is a whole
house defense and not at all just a big-chunk-blocker, which is all the
washables are good for...regardless of their "claims". The more you can catch
the better, period...why people wear dust masks instead of pulling pantyhose
over their heads.

Whatever you catch is whatever doesn't get into your HVAC system, ductwork
and, of course, breathing air. I went to 3m's Filtrete Ultra Allergen (MPR
1500 and MERV 12) 10-years ago with a new system and the HVAC is dustless and
still brand new on the N-coil and everything...never had the new system
cleaned yet.

The biggest help you can give yourself is to clean your supply and return
ducts with a long vacuum hose...swimming pool hoses work extremely well for
this when hooked up to a well filtered or outdoor located shop-vac. Get a pack
of the best filter you can afford, it makes a big difference.

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On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 4:14:10 PM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:
replying to SteveB, Iggy wrote:
Well, I have to disagree with the others and explain why. A filter is a whole
house defense and not at all just a big-chunk-blocker, which is all the
washables are good for...regardless of their "claims". The more you can catch
the better, period...why people wear dust masks instead of pulling pantyhose
over their heads.

Whatever you catch is whatever doesn't get into your HVAC system, ductwork
and, of course, breathing air. I went to 3m's Filtrete Ultra Allergen (MPR
1500 and MERV 12) 10-years ago with a new system and the HVAC is dustless and
still brand new on the N-coil and everything...never had the new system
cleaned yet.

The biggest help you can give yourself is to clean your supply and return
ducts with a long vacuum hose...swimming pool hoses work extremely well for
this when hooked up to a well filtered or outdoor located shop-vac. Get a pack
of the best filter you can afford, it makes a big difference.
--


You're replying to people who've been dead for 10 years. They were all hunted down and murdered by professional hit gerbils. It was a real tragedy.(~_~

[8~{} Uncle Sad Monster

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 11:47:52 PM UTC-5, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 4:14:10 PM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:

replying to SteveB, Iggy wrote:

Well, I have to disagree with the others and explain why. A filter is a whole
house defense and not at all just a big-chunk-blocker, which is all the
washables are good for...regardless of their "claims". The more you can catch
the better, period...why people wear dust masks instead of pulling pantyhose
over their heads.

Whatever you catch is whatever doesn't get into your HVAC system, ductwork
and, of course, breathing air. I went to 3m's Filtrete Ultra Allergen (MPR
1500 and MERV 12) 10-years ago with a new system and the HVAC is dustless and
still brand new on the N-coil and everything...never had the new system
cleaned yet.

The biggest help you can give yourself is to clean your supply and return
ducts with a long vacuum hose...swimming pool hoses work extremely well for
this when hooked up to a well filtered or outdoor located shop-vac. Get a pack
of the best filter you can afford, it makes a big difference.

You're replying to people who've been dead for 10 years. They were all hunted down and murdered by professional hit gerbils. It was a real tragedy.(~_~

[8~{} Uncle Sad Monster


I wish somebody would release those gerbils onto Iggy-norant
and the rest of the crew at HomeMoanersHub that lack basic
reading skills.

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 12:32:12 AM UTC-5, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 11:47:52 PM UTC-5, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 4:14:10 PM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:

replying to SteveB, Iggy wrote:

Well, I have to disagree with the others and explain why. A filter is a whole
house defense and not at all just a big-chunk-blocker, which is all the
washables are good for...regardless of their "claims". The more you can catch
the better, period...why people wear dust masks instead of pulling pantyhose
over their heads.

Whatever you catch is whatever doesn't get into your HVAC system, ductwork
and, of course, breathing air. I went to 3m's Filtrete Ultra Allergen (MPR
1500 and MERV 12) 10-years ago with a new system and the HVAC is dustless and
still brand new on the N-coil and everything...never had the new system
cleaned yet.

The biggest help you can give yourself is to clean your supply and return
ducts with a long vacuum hose...swimming pool hoses work extremely well for
this when hooked up to a well filtered or outdoor located shop-vac. Get a pack
of the best filter you can afford, it makes a big difference.

You're replying to people who've been dead for 10 years. They were all hunted down and murdered by professional hit gerbils. It was a real tragedy..(~_~

[8~{} Uncle Sad Monster

I wish somebody would release those gerbils onto Iggy-norant
and the rest of the crew at HomeMoanersHub that lack basic
reading skills.


It would be considered animal cruelty. You choose which are the animals.snickerヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Cruel Monster

Uncle Monster posted for all of us...



On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 12:32:12 AM UTC-5, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 11:47:52 PM UTC-5, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 4:14:10 PM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:

replying to SteveB, Iggy wrote:

Well, I have to disagree with the others and explain why. A filter is a whole
house defense and not at all just a big-chunk-blocker, which is all the
washables are good for...regardless of their "claims". The more you can catch
the better, period...why people wear dust masks instead of pulling pantyhose
over their heads.

Whatever you catch is whatever doesn't get into your HVAC system, ductwork
and, of course, breathing air. I went to 3m's Filtrete Ultra Allergen (MPR
1500 and MERV 12) 10-years ago with a new system and the HVAC is dustless and
still brand new on the N-coil and everything...never had the new system
cleaned yet.

The biggest help you can give yourself is to clean your supply and return
ducts with a long vacuum hose...swimming pool hoses work extremely well for
this when hooked up to a well filtered or outdoor located shop-vac. Get a pack
of the best filter you can afford, it makes a big difference.

You're replying to people who've been dead for 10 years. They were all hunted down and murdered by professional hit gerbils. It was a real tragedy.(~_~

[8~{} Uncle Sad Monster

I wish somebody would release those gerbils onto Iggy-norant
and the rest of the crew at HomeMoanersHub that lack basic
reading skills.


It would be considered animal cruelty. You choose which are the animals.snicker?(?)?

[8~{} Uncle Cruel Monster

HAAAAAAAAAAA good one

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Tekkie

replying to Tekkie®, Iggy wrote:
Idiot children. I'm NOT responding to the old people, I'm responding to the
old question for NEW people...so they don't have to be as dumb as you clowns
and post the same question as new, dimwits. Why would someone as stupid as you
to newly post the same question when an old question got "allegedly" all the
answers it could from the moron gallery? Do you imbeciles get it now? Is that
clear enough for retards? Get a clue and stop sniffing glue!

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On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 5:14:08 PM UTC-4, Iggy wrote:
replying to Tekkie®, Iggy wrote:
Idiot children. I'm NOT responding to the old people, I'm responding to the
old question for NEW people..

That assumes that some new person digs up the old thread to begin with.
So far, almost all of these 10 year old threads are dug up not by new
people with a question, but by folks like you, responding to an old
thread, to an old poster, as if it was a post just made.







.so they don't have to be as dumb as you clowns
and post the same question as new, dimwits. Why would someone as stupid as you
to newly post the same question when an old question got "allegedly" all the
answers it could from the moron gallery? Do you imbeciles get it now? Is that
clear enough for retards? Get a clue and stop sniffing glue!

I don't see anyone here posting new questions that were answered by
this thread. Just you reviving an old thread. So who exactly are
these dimwit clowns? Joan, Tekkie and Uncle didn't ask anything about
filters, did they?

replying to Tekkie®, Iggy wrote:
Idiot children. I'm NOT responding to the old people, I'm responding to the
old question for NEW people...so they don't have to be as dumb as you clowns
and post the same question as new, dimwits. Why would someone as stupid as you
to newly post the same question when an old question got "allegedly" all the
answers it could from the moron gallery? Do you imbeciles get it now? Is that
clear enough for retards? Get a clue and stop sniffing glue!


Sorry Iggy - but your cred is lost here by your use of the web-site
interface and your posting methods - ie: never quoting any of the
previous thread. I don't mind seeing an old thread or topic
re-examined here - a few folks here will relentlessly point it out
- for fun - or to make themselves feel superior or something.
Don't let them bother you. I'd suggest that you try a usenet server
interface with a decent newsreader .. I'd be glad to help you with
that if you need it. Failing that - please try to include some of
the pertinent points of the thread when you post a reply.
copy & paste perhaps ? dunno.
And one more piece of advice - grow a bit thicker skin - you
haven't been flamed much yet at all - that I've seen -
... yet you're calling people idiots, clowns, imbeciles, ..
John T.

replying to trader_4, Iggy wrote:
I thought we turned a new leaf, but here you are hopping right back in with
the dimwit clown trolls of stupidity with no clue of what I said. Where's the
"new question"? IT ISN'T! Why? Because here's the old question with wrong or
partial or incomplete information.

If I was the average person searching the web because of a question I had and
found old thread after old thread, I'd stop there. Why look or ask any
further, if that's the crap everyone's spewing and happy with? I ran into it
many times, with Horizontal Drywall, Lack of Plumbing Unions and Electrical
Grounding Rods, S-traps and Conduit Venting. All parroted nonsense from people
taught by frauds that never questioned anything and were taught not to
question nor even simply observe (science).

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replying to hubops, Iggy wrote:
No thanks, I left Usenet decades ago...old world junk. Just seeing if the
dolts can take what they dish...they can't, just whining moron wusses ganged
up in their laughably trite nothing clique. I don't quote others because I
don't try to go after others, except to compliment...I don't troll. But, I'm
more than happy to be an 2774653 to 2774653's.

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On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 9:44:07 PM UTC-4, Iggy wrote:
replying to trader_4, Iggy wrote:
I thought we turned a new leaf, but here you are hopping right back in with
the dimwit clown trolls of stupidity with no clue of what I said.

Those people have been here a lot longer than you, they've helped a
lot of people and they aren't trolls.




Where's the
"new question"? IT ISN'T! Why? Because here's the old question with wrong or
partial or incomplete information.

If I was the average person searching the web because of a question I had and
found old thread after old thread, I'd stop there. Why look or ask any
further, if that's the crap everyone's spewing and happy with?

That assumes that all old threads, or most are just full of crap.
We have a little history here to, that you may not be aware of.
Typically these old threads that are suddenly revived get revived
by:

Someone from HomeOwnersHub

They are asking a basic question where the answer is available
from simple googling of many available resources on the web, ie a
google would answer it without even needing a newsgroup.

The question is poorly formed, often lacking the most basic
info that would be required to answer it or many times to even

And the new posts typically doesn't add anything of value,
they frequently are useless. Not saying that about yours,
but I think people here would agree it's generally the case.
understand it.

So, I tend to doubt that these posters have even looked at any
resources readily available, let alone start wading through
newsgroups. Like "are cleanable filters best?". I just googled
it and in the first three pages of results you get dozens of hits,
websites, videos, etc, all kinds of resources, not one of them
is a newsgroup. So, I
think you are greatly overestimating the number of people who
have a current question that are going through old newsgroups
to find the information they need.

Also, many people here have an issue with HomeOwnersHub, they feel
that they have tried to hijack the AHR newsgroup which is part of
usenet and make it look like it's theirs.

On 09/06/2017 10:29 PM, trader_4 wrote:
Also, many people here have an issue with HomeOwnersHub, they feel
that they have tried to hijack the AHR newsgroup which is part of
usenet and make it look like it's theirs.


Web-based forums are often "infected" with annoying, javascript pop-up advertising and various malware...which is why I avoid them.

replying to trader_4, Iggy wrote:
Really? There you go lying again. How am I a troll for standing up for myself
and defending myself, while practicing my freedom? I WENT AFTER NO-ONE! I made
an inconspicuous comment, to then find Real Trolls crying about me taking a
book out of the library. RIDICULOUS!

This site's at least trying to do what Usenet never did nor ever will
accomplish. Usenet was handed its hat by an explosion of Q&A sites that put it
to shame overnight, TWENTY YEARS AGO! Usenet was poised to be the Real
Internet and a collection of filtered, proven and certified Wiki's. But, they
threw it away.

We should be debating Best Practices, Best Materials, Best Designs, Full Use
Potential and Perfectly Accurate information. But no, Humanity only wants to
keep stumbling over its own feet again and again. The Internet could've fixed
the world, but it ended up exposing Humanity.

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Also, many people here have an issue with HomeOwnersHub, they feel
that they have tried to hijack the AHR newsgroup which is part of
usenet and make it look like it's theirs.


Web-based forums are often "infected" with annoying, javascript pop-up advertising
and various malware...which is why I avoid them.


Yep. I agree.
and as much as I dislike Yahoo - a couple of their specific groups
have been great sources of helpful friendlly info.
eg: specific group for vintage Elna brand sewing machines
John T.

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 8:14:06 AM UTC-4, Iggy wrote:
replying to trader_4, Iggy wrote:
Really? There you go lying again.
How am I a troll for standing up for myself
and defending myself, while practicing my freedom?

Another poster here was pretty nice to you, gave you some pointers,
one of which was that people here can't figure out what it is that
you're bitching about when you consistently make posts without
quoting that which you're replying to. So, I have no idea what
alleged lie you're referring to, but I did not call you a troll.





I WENT AFTER NO-ONE! I made
an inconspicuous comment, to then find Real Trolls crying about me taking a
book out of the library. RIDICULOUS!

Here is what you posted:


"I thought we turned a new leaf, but here you are hopping right back in with
the dimwit clown trolls of stupidity with no clue of what I said. "

YOU are the one who used the word troll, not me and you attacked me
and the other posters here. And even after that, I still didn't call
you a troll.






This site's at least trying to do what Usenet never did nor ever will
accomplish. Usenet was handed its hat by an explosion of Q&A sites that put it
to shame overnight, TWENTY YEARS AGO! Usenet was poised to be the Real
Internet and a collection of filtered, proven and certified Wiki's. But, they
threw it away.

Obviously you don't realize that most of the AHR posts, and an even
higher percentage of the relevant ones, are coming from usenet the
usual way and not via your HomeMoanersHub. In fact, the most ignorant,
clueless posts, seem to come from there. Most of them are people
asking via that portal and getting their answers here. But then most
of those questions from HomeMoanersHub seem to be one hit wonders.
They ask some poorly detailed question that can't be answered because
it's devoid of necessary info, and the despite people here trying to
help, they are never heard from again. More recently there has been
a big increase in people from there digging up ten year old threads
and responding to them, replying back to a person from ten years ago,
as if they were there asking that question now.

All this has me wondering if there aren't some posters aligned with
HomeMoanersHub who's real purpose is to build traffic for that
website. Are you a paid shill?





We should be debating Best Practices,

That's a classic coming from you. Just the other day another poster
very nicely pointed out that you never quote anything when you make
a reply, so no one knows what the hell you're referring to. Did you
adopt that best practice?

On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 9:44:07 PM UTC-4, Iggy wrote:
replying to hubops, Iggy wrote:
No thanks, I left Usenet decades ago...old world junk.

Silly rabbit, you're still on usenet! You're just going through that
HomeMoanersHub to get to it. Which is precisely the point I made to
you earlier, that many people here feel that website is trying to
hijack AHR on usenet and make it look like it's theirs. They've
obviously fooled you.





Just seeing if the
dolts can take what they dish...they can't, just whining moron wusses ganged
up in their laughably trite nothing clique. I don't quote others because I
don't try to go after others, except to compliment...I don't troll. But, I'm
more than happy to be an 2774653 to 2774653's.

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And there you go again, this time attacking everyone here.

replying to trader_4, Iggy wrote:
I ain't on any newsgroup. The Usenet stuff is only half the site and once it's
out of Usenet it's no longer Usenet and is actually something useful. And, you
really need to look up the words Troll and Attack.

Just like every other question, I came here alone and was then attacked by
whomever else, NOT the other way around. But I get your psychosis
(bi-polarity), me answering people's questions and responding to uninvited
direct replies is me "attacking" others. Uh, huh.

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On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 1:44:11 PM UTC-4, Iggy wrote:
replying to trader_4, Iggy wrote:
I ain't on any newsgroup.

Of course you are. AHR is a usenet newsgroup.


The Usenet stuff is only half the site and once it's
out of Usenet it's no longer Usenet


But it's not out of Usenet, if it was, you would not be seeing all the replies to your posts. Not one of these recent replies has come from HomeMoanersHub. I'm not on HMH. Are you that stupid or are you a shill for HMH?


and is actually something useful. And, you
really need to look up the words Troll and Attack.



I know what they mean. You claimed I called you a troll. That was a lie. But now you're sure starting to act and look like a troll. And it was YOU who just attacked all posters here. That's what trolls do.



Just like every other question, I came here alone and was then attacked by
whomever else, NOT the other way around. But I get your psychosis
(bi-polarity), me answering people's questions

From ten years ago, without quoting so people can figure out what you're talking about and as if they were asked yesterday.


I'm beginning to see that the people who never liked HMH were right. And once again you refuse to quote whatever you're replying to so people can follow, while lecturing is about "best practices".

..

replying to trader_4, Iggy wrote:
You really need medication. I didn't quote, because I responded to the main
question. Again, how do you "people" not get that this old question is what
New would-be Asker's are finding in their search for their answer. THAT'S WHY
THERE'S NO SAME NEW OR REPEAT QUESTIONS!

And yet, you don't fix or expand or add to the answers. You just flounder in
your bygone mirror world, slapping each others assess for a job poorly done.
Answers, commonly, replete with idle chit-chat and trolling...I added a
quick-scroll 4th Answer and you trolls came along to bump it up to 18 with
your irrelevant whining. Go back to your hole on the short-bus.

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On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 5:44:08 PM UTC-4, Iggy wrote:
replying to trader_4, Iggy wrote:
You really need medication. I didn't quote, because I responded to the main
question. Again, how do you "people" not get that this old question is what
New would-be Asker's are finding in their search for their answer. THAT'S WHY
THERE'S NO SAME NEW OR REPEAT QUESTIONS!

I previously explained to you that if you google for "are cleanable filters
best", and go through the first 3 pages, you gets lots of hits for
helpful websites with info, not one is a link to AHR or any other newsgroup.
I;m sure you could go through many more pages of hits before you found
any. So, I'm not buying that someone with a question about furnace filters
is ever likely to come upon this ten year old thread and that it
needs more information on the slim chance they will. Further proof of
that is the fact that there hasn't been any activity on it, until you
dug it up. And you didn't dig it up because you had a question. Why
did you revive it? Are you a shill for HomeMoanersHub, trying to build
up web traffic?






And yet, you don't fix or expand or add to the answers. You just flounder in
your bygone mirror world, slapping each others assess for a job poorly done.
Answers, commonly, replete with idle chit-chat and trolling...I added a
quick-scroll 4th Answer and you trolls came along to bump it up to 18 with
your irrelevant whining. Go back to your hole on the short-bus.


What are you doing here? You told us you were not on Usenet!
Still incapable of learning to quote I see too. Typical HomeMoanerHub
poster. Or is that failure to quote deliberate, in the hopes of
luring people back to HMH to find the rest, because you're a shill?

replying to trader_4, Iggy wrote:
Like I said previously. With HOH, only now does Usenet get to the masses.
That's what you want and can't get any other way currently. And who are you to
say someone's "stealing" FREE PUBLIC INFORMATION instead of liberating it?
You're nothing! (I wouldn't be surprised, if you're from Ohio).

And, even I only witnessed you ONCE contributing to an answer and not being a
misdirecting waste of space. I'm no shill, but I know a ****load better when I
see it. What am I doing here? I'm wasting my time trying to make sense to an
imbecile and his worthless scum friend trolls. My Quotes are just the only way
to split paragraphs, that's why they're empty. F-OFF, douchebag!

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On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 10:44:07 PM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:
replying to trader_4, Iggy wrote:
Like I said previously. With HOH, only now does Usenet get to the masses.
That's what you want and can't get any other way currently. And who are you to
say someone's "stealing" FREE PUBLIC INFORMATION instead of liberating it?
You're nothing! (I wouldn't be surprised, if you're from Ohio).

And, even I only witnessed you ONCE contributing to an answer and not being a
misdirecting waste of space. I'm no shill, but I know a ****load better when I
see it. What am I doing here? I'm wasting my time trying to make sense to an
imbecile and his worthless scum friend trolls. My Quotes are just the only way
to split paragraphs, that's why they're empty. F-OFF, douchebag!
--


Good grief! Why is this Battle Of The Trolls still going on?! You should have plonked each other by now unless you have a love affair going on. I know some couples like that, they fight because they enjoy it. Then they kiss and make up until the next battle starts. Sheesh! ”Œ( à²*_à²*)”˜

[8~{} Uncle Mystified Monster

On: 9/8/2017, Uncle Monster wrote :


Good grief! Why is this Battle Of The Trolls still going on?! You should have
plonked each other by now unless you have a love affair going on. I know some
couples like that, they fight because they enjoy it. Then they kiss and make
up until the next battle starts. Sheesh! ”Œ( à²*_à²*)”˜

Pot / kettle alert! You deriding ANYONE else as for behaving as a
troll.

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 11:44:07 PM UTC-4, Iggy wrote:
replying to trader_4, Iggy wrote:
Like I said previously. With HOH, only now does Usenet get to the masses.
That's what you want and can't get any other way currently.

How do you know what I want?


And who are you to
say someone's "stealing" FREE PUBLIC INFORMATION instead of liberating it?

You're lying and further discrediting yourself again. I never said
that anyone stole anything. I said that some people here believe that
HomeMoanersHub is hijacking AHR on usenet and making it appear as if
it's theirs. They obviously fouled you because a couple posts ago
you told us that AHR and your posts are not on usenet.



You're nothing! (I wouldn't be surprised, if you're from Ohio).

Great, now you're attacking whole states. Good way to impress.
I guess that's why you revive 10 year old threads, to attack
whole states. How did Ohio get into it?




And, even I only witnessed you ONCE contributing to an answer and not being a
misdirecting waste of space.

Another blatant lie. But perhaps your problem is that many posts
from here don't show up at HomeMoaners, IDK. But I recently gave
advice on the oven thread, the pool heater thread as two examples
from this week. Funny, I didn't see you there. Probably because
they are current threads, with people with real problems. Your
specialty is digging up 10 year old ones.



I'm no shill, but I know a ****load better when I
see it.

You mean like when you told people that the way to test a furnace
filter is to hold it up to light and only when you can't see
through it does it need to be replaced. Following that brilliant
advice a 5" thich high MERV filter gets chucked when it's brand
new and a piece of crap 1" filter stays in until it's completely
clogged. Yeah, we really need to revisit 10 year old threads
to add that great kind of advice.




What am I doing here? I'm wasting my time trying to make sense to an
imbecile and his worthless scum friend trolls. My Quotes are just the only way
to split paragraphs, that's why they're empty. F-OFF, douchebag!



ROFL. You can't even figure out how to quote what you're replying to.
Everyone else here can do it. IDK if it's just because you're stupid
or if it's because HomeMoaners is set up so you can't. The only way
to split paragraphs is to not quote the post you're replying to?
That's a new one. Either way,
you're at a serious disadvantage. BTW, I;m not the only one to point
it out, another poster nicely suggested to you that we can't follow
what the hell you're talking about because you reply without anything
quoted for context. It's very annoying, which you would think would
matter to someone like you who claims to be reviving 10 year old
threads as a public service. Show up, refuse to learn and follow
simple usenet protocols, then start calling people trolls and
accuse people of lying when they never said what you claim. Not
a good start Iggy.

On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 10:08:01 AM UTC-5, Archer wrote:
On: 9/8/2017, Uncle Monster wrote :


Good grief! Why is this Battle Of The Trolls still going on?! You should have
plonked each other by now unless you have a love affair going on. I know some
couples like that, they fight because they enjoy it. Then they kiss and make
up until the next battle starts. Sheesh! ”Œ( à²*_à²*)”˜

Pot / kettle alert! You deriding ANYONE else as for behaving as a
troll.


Captain Archer, why haven't you left Earth yet? Perhaps you have to switch nyms again so you can be a space troll? Keep dancing for me little troll.ヽ(^o^)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Space Monster

replying to Archer, Iggy wrote:
Don't worry, the troll won. He's convinced me to dig up even more and older
threads.

--
for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ns-268417-.htm

On: 9/8/2017, Uncle Monster wrote :

On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 10:08:01 AM UTC-5, Archer wrote:
On: 9/8/2017, Uncle Monster wrote :


Good grief! Why is this Battle Of The Trolls still going on?! You should
have plonked each other by now unless you have a love affair going on. I
know some couples like that, they fight because they enjoy it. Then they
kiss and make up until the next battle starts. Sheesh! ”Œ( à²*_à²*)”˜

Pot / kettle alert! You deriding ANYONE else as for behaving as a
troll.


Captain Archer, why haven't you left Earth yet? Perhaps you have to switch
nyms again so you can be a space troll? Keep dancing for me little
troll.ヽ(^o^)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Space Monster

You are a loser, you have always been a loser and you will die a loser.

-- SURELY GOODNESS AND MERCY SHALL FOLLOW ME ALL THE DAYS OF MY LIFE AND I
WILL DWELL IN THE HOUSE OF THE LORD FOR EVER [PSALM 23:6]

(c) 2017 Dolf Leendert Boek, Revision: 8 September, 2017

Nous: #43
Time: 11:00 hrs
Date: 2017.9.8
Torah: #50 #30 #20 %81 = #19
Dao: Absolute Negation, It's Universal Application
Tetra: #44 - Stove
I-Ching: H50 - The Cauldron, Holding
Â* Â*
Latin: Praemium {God is one & unique} Alt: Raahel {Vision of God} {

1. PROTECTS AGAINST UNFAVOURABLE SPIRITS, AGAINST SLANDERERS
2. ASTRONOMY, MATHEMATICS, GEOGRAPHY & GEOMETRY
3. WISE & PHILOSOPHERS
4. Sith
}

Isaac {He laughs}

http://www.grapple369.com?zen:1,row:5,col:4,nous:43&idea: {395}&idea:{478}

..jackNote@zen: 1, row: 5, col: 4, nous: 43 [Date: 2017.9.8, Super: #395 /
#43 - Absolute Negation, It's Universal Application; I-Ching: H50 - The
Cauldron, Holding; Tetra: 44 - Stove, Ego: #478 / #43 - Absolute Negation,
It's Universal Application; I-Ching: H50 - The Cauldron, Holding; Tetra: 44
- Stove]

YOUTUBE: "Incubus - 11 am"

- https://youtu.be/jftYV-5rJiU

-- WHO WHAT WHERE --

"HERE AND YOU ARE THERE {#490 = #200, #20, #70, #80, #70, #50 as skopos
(G4649): {#18 as #640} 1) an observer, a watchman; 2) the distant mark
looked at, the goal or end one has in view}.
SO DO I REALLY EVEN CARE.
TOO MANY QUESTIONS SHARE.
YOUR CHAT IS JUST DESPAIR.
ALWAYS LYING JUST BEWARE.
PREFER BLANK SCREEN STARE."

THE COMING OF THE COMFORTER
Upon the occasion of his departure, Jesus Christ spoke of the coming of the
Comforter as a blessing given by the Father:-- "Jesus answered and said to
him, 'If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love
him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not
love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but
the Fathers who sent Me.

These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the
Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will
teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said
to you. Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world
gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be
afraid. You have heard Me say to you, 'I am going away and coming back to
you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, 'I am going to the
Father,' for My Father is greater than I. 'And now I have told you before
it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe. I will no longer
talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has
nothing in Me. But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as
the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here.'"
[John 14:23-31]

In the text below, the name Gamaliel-'God has rewarded' is associated with
the manifest of Melchizedek as the coming of the Son of Man. This
experience of the indwelling Holy Spirit is otherwise known as the latter
rain. Furthermore, the four powers ('Armozel', 'Oroiael', 'Daveithe',
'Eleleth') referenced within this tractate known as: 'Melchizedek', may
actually correspond to the 4 quarters given for the 4th year of the
priestly course Gamul, as the head of the family serving the 22nd course of
the 24 priestly courses:

#1: Shecaniah {Dweller with Jehovah/Habitation of the Lord} [Lot/Psalms 10
- A Song of Confidence in God's Triumph Over Evil]
#2: Delaiah {Jehovah has drawn/The poor of the Lord} [Lot/Psalms 23 - The
Lord the Shepherd of His People]
#3: Jakim {He will raise/Rising; confirming; establishing} [Lot/Psalms 12 -
Man's Treachery and God's Constancy]
#4: Jehoiarib {Jehovah contends/Fighting, or multiplying, of the Lord}
[Lot/Psalms 1 - The Way of the Righteous and the End of the Ungodly]

According to 4Q319 - 'Calendar of the Heavenly Signs' a phenomenon referred
to in Hebrew as ('oth)-sign ocurred during this priestly course. These are
consistently represented in the scroll as conjunctions of Shecaniah-'Yahweh
has established His dwelling' the 4th year of Gamul-'Rewarded' as the 22nd
priestly course.

If we consider that the entire sanctuary service provides the stage for
priests to serve for seven days and after which they were then rotated
out--we therefore have a basis for a priestly chronology which is derived
from the 7 day week. This chronology was then mapped to solar/lunar node
cycles. For this reason, the Qumran calendar began on a Wednesday, has 364
days of 4 equal quarters of 91 (30 + 30 + 31) days. For which King David is
reported to have written 364 Psalms as songs for the daily service before
the altar:

"Now David the son of Jesse was wise and shone like the sun, a scribe and
man of discernment, blameless in all his ways before God and men. The LORD
gave him a brilliant and discerning spirit, so that he wrote: psalms, three
thousand six hundred; songs to sing before the altar accompanying the daily
perpetual burnt offering, for all the days of the year, *three* *hundred*
*and* *sixty*-*four* {ie. *thus* *the* *SOLOMON'S* *TEMPLE* *which*
*FREEMASONRY* *FALSELY* *ALLEGES* *TO* *REPRESENT* IS A 364 day / year
NATURAL and not a 365.25 day / year JULIAN CALENDAR}; for the Sabbath
offerings, fifty-two songs; and for the New Moon offerings, all the
festival days, and the Day of Atonement, thirty songs." [Apocryphal Psalms
of David, 11Q5 Col. 27:2-8]

"All these he composed through prophecy given him by the Most High." [11Q5
Col. 27:11]

Rabbi Yisroel Ciner in his Parsha-Insights gives understanding of the
Qumran calendar's objective in tracking a 364 day solar cycle. It is not
only concerned with eclipse phenomenon, but with the Day of Judgment:
"After the first day of creation, the Torah writes: 'And it was evening,
and it was morning, day one.' [Genesis 1:5] Not the first day, but, rather,
Day One. The Medrash teaches that this refers to Yom Kippur.

[...] At that point of creation, no 'beings' had yet been created. There
was absolute Oneness. The Day of One. Once the angels, with the forces of
RA-evil were created on the second day, this Oneness no longer existed.
There was now the illusion of events occurring without Hashem's direct
intervention. The illusion that there might be more than One...

The world will return to this state at the time of the Moshiach.

There will be absolute clarity and the whole world will recognize Hashem's
sovereignty. 'On that day His name will be One'. Those are the two bookends
of man's journey. Absolute clarity on either end with a lot of confused
meandering in the middle. But Hashem granted us a day each year when we can
get a glimpse of that Oneness. A glimpse of where we're heading.

The numerical value of the Satan is 364. The year is comprised of 365 days.
There is one day where he can't even present the illusion that he has
power. That is what the Medrash was teaching when it said that Day One
refers to Yom Kippur. That day is designated for the annulment of RA-evil.
Hashem removes the external RA and we must remove our internal RA. It is
the day of forgiveness and atonement. Yom Kippur--where the world had been
and where it's heading. Ha'azinu--where we've been and where we're
heading." [Parshas Haazinu/Yom Kippur, © Rabbi Yisroel Ciner, 16 September,
1999]

YOUTUBE: "Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus (The Stargate Mix)"

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8onMJT7Os6g

DOLF @ 0627 HOURS ON 7 SEPTEMBER 2017: "I DO THE ESOTERIC / 3ABN DO THE
EXOTERIC AND TOGETHER WE ARE AN UNSTOPPABLE FORCE WHO WILL WIN AGAINST YOUR
ATTEMPTS OF NEO FACISM.

ON SATURDAY 21 AUGUST 1999 AS A COVENANT WITH ALMIGHTY GOD:

God is bij ons en we bewegen onder de schaduw van de vleugels aan de
Almachtige.

I then walked naked within the street from 5 Saint Andrews Street, North
Melbourne along Williams Street, down Latrobe Street to Steamworks (a gay /
bi / str8 men's sauna) as just prior to Elizabeth Street before getting
arrested and psychiatrically assessed for a statutory period of three days
before released (tough titties for the Victoria Police erroneous PATROL
Computer Records) as my millennium pre-emptive action so that your dual
eclipses of 21 August 1914 as during World War I: 28 July 1914 to 11
November 1918 and 21 August 2017 are brought to naught.

SEE ALSO: THE ECLIPSE TREASON {#Cheth (8 - #8) + #Shin (21 - #300) = #308
and #Shin (21 - #300) + #Kaf (11 - #20) = #320} PLOT BY VIETNAM VETERANS /
RETURNED SERVICES LEAGUE / FREEMASONS / ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS BEEN
FOILED:

- http://www.grapple369.com/docs/Eclipse.pdf

I HAVE ASCERTAINED (WITHIN ACCORDANCE WITH MY DELIBERATE PROTEST OF
CONSCIENCE AND ARREST UPON SATURDAY 21 AUGUST 1999 AND OF EVIDENCE TENDERED
AT THE EXTRA-ORDINARY VICTORIA CIVIL ADMINISTRATIVE TRIBUNAL HEARING OF 7
DECEMBER 2001) THAT THE REFUSAL OF COMMUNION BY ARCHBISHOP GEORGE PELL AT
SAINT PATRICKS CATHEDRAL MELBOURNE ON PENTECOST SUNDAY OFÂ*31 MAY 1998
ANDÂ*21 JUNE 2000 IS THEN ASSOCIATED TO AN ECLIPSE ON THE FOLLOWING YEAR
OFÂ*21 JUNE 2001:

- https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzRmc7Bm7indTnNwWW5wZnVXMGs

- https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzRmc7Bm7indWGRhaTNucjR0c28

- https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzRmc7Bm7indRDRwX3lBV3dlSmM

[IMAGE: Memorial capstone: #Mem (13 - #40), #Aleph (1 - #1), #Shin (21 -
#300), #Kaf (11 - #20), #Aleph (1 - #1), #He (5 - #5), #Cheth (8 - #8),
#Shin (21 - #300) of the Royal Arch Freemasons Australia dated 30 May 1999,
that is situated in the centre of a circular garden in the forecourt of the
Hotel Sofitel, 25 Collins Street, Melbourne]

THE TAKING OF OATH HAS A SPECIFIC MEANING WITHIN THE JEWISH SENSE OF IT AS
"TO SEVEN ONESELF" AND WHICH IS A CHRONOLOGICAL CONTEXT AS THE NOTION OF
RATIONAL PI = 3W1D AS SUBSCRIBING TO A HOMOIOS PERSPECTIVE OF THE
PERENNIALIST TRADITION AND NOT OF THE HETEROS CONTRIVANCE:

'I *SWEAR* by him who the TETRAKTYS (#10) found,
Whence all our wisdom springs and which contains
*PERENNIAL* *NATURE'S* *FOUNTAIN*, *CAUSE* AND *ROOT*.'

Nous: #71
Time: 23:45 hrs
Date: 2017.3.17
Torah: #5 #200 #8 %81 = #51
Dao: Know-How as a Disease, Disease of Knowledge
Tetra: #6 - Contrariety
I-Ching: H38 - Contrariety, Opposition, Polarising, Perversion

Latin: Deprecatio {God who knows all things} Alt: Koqyah {Explode Forth in
God] {

1. PROTECTS AGAINST FEMALE STERILITY & REBELLIOUS CHILDREN
2. TREASURES, LIBRARIES & ARCHIVES
3. THE PRESS
4. Isro
}
Joseph {Increase; addition}; #0 CE

http://www.grapple369.com?zen:2,row:9,col:2,nous:71&idea: {150}&idea:{490}&idea:{151}&idea:{388}

..jackNote@zen: 2, row: 9, col: 2, nous: 71 [Super: #490 / #70 - Difficulty
in Knowing How, Obtuse; I-Ching: H53 - Gradual Advance, Development
(gradual progress), Infiltrating, Advancement; Tetra: 14 - Penetration,
Ego: #388 / #71 - Know-How as a Disease, Disease of Knowledge; I-Ching: H38
- Contrariety, Opposition, Polarising, Perversion; Tetra: 6 - Contrariety]

ABC NEWS @ 1736 HOURS ON 8 SEPTEMBER 2017: "MEXICO EARTHQUAKE AND TSUNAMI
CONFIRMED AS CAPITAL HIT BY MAGNITUDE-8.1 QUAKE, KILLING FIVE:

A massive magnitude-8.1 earthquake has hit off Mexico's southern coast,
toppling houses in Chiapas state, causing at least five deaths and setting
off a tsunami warning, officials said.

The quake was so strong that it caused buildings to sway violently in
Mexico's capital more than 1,000 kilometres away.

Residents fled buildings, many in their pyjamas, and gathered in frightened
groups in the street. Some neighbourhoods remained in darkness after
electricity was knocked out.

The US Geological Survey (USGS) said the quake struck at 11:49pm on
Thursday local time and its epicentre was 165 kilometres west of Tapachula
in Chiapas, not far from Guatemala. It had a depth of 69.7 kilometres.

The US Tsunami Warning System said hazardous tsunami waves were possible on
the Pacific coasts of several Central American countries, including
Guatemala, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Panama and Honduras, within
three hours.

A tsunami was also confirmed for Mexico, with the largest wave measuring
one metre, according to the Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre."

-
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-08/strong-earthquake-shakes-mexico-capital/8886676

THREE ANGELS MESSAGES AS LOGICAL AND LEGAL SYLLOGISM, SEVEN PLAGUES AS
CIRCUMSCRIBED REALITY UPON YOU AND THE INTELLECTUAL PROPOSITION OF THE TEN
COMMANDMENTS AS AUTONOMOUS SOVEREIGN LAW:

- https://tunein.com/radio/3ABN-Australia-Radio-s276995/

RADIO 3ABN [THREE ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK] AUSTRALIA

- dolf

Initial Post: 8 September 2017

#THREE #ANGELS #MESSAGES #MELCHIZEDEK #SOLOMONS #TEMPLE

Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
On 9/4/2017 2:14 PM, Iggy the Piggy ****ted:

Well, I have to disagree with the others and explain why. A filter is a whole
house defense and not at all just a big-chunk-blocker, which is all the
washables are good for...regardless of their "claims". The more you can catch
the better, period...why people wear dust masks instead of pulling pantyhose
over their heads.

Er.........huh?
This is obviously gettin', what I call, kinky which da furnace, folks. I
mean....panty hose?
You know what? Talkin' about panty hose, I've always thought a girl's
box gets pretty hot wearin' panty hose.

How do you feel about it?







--


SEE ALSO: *INVALIDATING* *THE* *ORTHODOX* *AND* *ROMAN* *CATHOLIC*
*CHURCH'S* *CLAIM* *TO* *JUBILEE2000* *AS* *BEING* *DELUSIONAL* *AND*
*FRAUDULENT*

Private Street on the edge of the Central Business District dated 16th
May, 2000 - This report is prepared in response to a TP00/55 as a Notice of
an Application for Planning Permit

- http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html

SEE ALSO: HYPOSTATIS as DAO OF NATURE (Chinese: ZIRAN) / COURSE (Greek:
TROCHOS) OF NATURE (Greek: GENESIS) [James 3:6]

Chinese HAN Dynasty (206 BCE - 220CE) Hexagon Trigrams to Tetragram
assignments proposed by Yang Hsiung (53BCE - 18CE) which by 4BCE
(translation published within English as first European language in 1993),
first appeared in draft form as a meta-thesis titled T'AI HSUAN CHING {ie.
Canon of Supreme Mystery} on Natural Divination associated with the theory
of number, annual seasonal chronology and astrology reliant upon the seven
visible planets as cosmological mother image and the zodiac.

It shows the ZIRAN as the DAO of NATURE / COURSE-trochos OF
NATURE-genesis [James 3:6] as HYPOSTATIS comprising #81 trinomial
tetragrammaton x 4.5 day = #364.5 day / year as HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER
which is an amalgam of the 64 hexagrams as binomial trigrams / 81 as
trinomial tetragrammaton rather than its encapsulated contrived use as the
microcosm to redefine the macrocosm as the quintessence of the Pythagorean
[Babylonian] as binomial canon of transposition as HETEROS THEORY OF
NUMBER.

- http://www.grapple369.com/nature.html

The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006
defines a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING€� and the question is, if it is
permissible to extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING
AS A CONSCIOUS REALITY OF HOMO[iOS] SAPIEN[T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN
THE TEMPORAL REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO[iOS] SAPIEN[T] as
EXISTENCE.

- http://www.grapple369.com/Grapple.zip (Download resources)

After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its
geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
TETRAD/TETRACTYS