I have to respectfully disagree with some members of alt.hvac who seem
to imply that any A/C problem requires a "specialist", and that chumps
like those who frequent rec.crafts.metalworking have no business even
looking at A/C problems.

Just one case in point. A year ago my A/C sometimes would not
start. (most of the time it would, but it kept getting worse)

A symptom was that in those cases, it would start if I gently kicked
the outside unit.

After asking on newsgroups, and receiving responses from alt.hvac
members about the need for "experts", and other responses from
alt.home.repair boiling down to "open up the damn thing and use your
multimeter", I opted for the latter.

Opened it up and quickly discovered that, drumroll, the quick
disconnect that connected a 24V line to the contactor, simply broke
from too much vibration and being made cheaply. It still kept contact
most of the time, enough to operate the coil, and when it did not, the
"kick" would bring it back into contact.

Another quick disconnect crimped on, and guess what, the A/C unit is
operating quite trouble free since then.

If I simply called some "service company", I can imagine that the less
scrupulous ones would try to sell me a lot of crap I did not need. The
most optimistic scenario would be that after taking a day off work,
and paying $75 for a service call, a tech would replace that same
quick disconnect for free. Whether that optimistic scenario would be
realized, is not clear.

So, while, no doubt, sometimes learned experts are necessary, they are
not always necessary, and should not be called without some
preliminary investigation.

i

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:41:16 GMT, Ignoramus18860
wrote:

I have to respectfully disagree with some members of alt.hvac who seem
to imply that any A/C problem requires a "specialist", and that chumps
like those who frequent rec.crafts.metalworking have no business even
looking at A/C problems.

The thing is, these home-moaner questions are along the lines
of someone posting to your group rec.crafts.metalworking and asking 'I
have aluminum siding and I want to install a satellite dish. What
kind of tools should I use ?'. It may have to do with 'working with
metal', in some sense, but it's just not appropriate to the group.


So, while, no doubt, sometimes learned experts are necessary, they are
not always necessary, and should not be called without some
preliminary investigation.

That's fine. I don't think anyone in alt.hvac would argue
against that. Then on the other hand, most of us are real tired of
being instructors for that 'preliminary investigation'.



i

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I agree, I kept my old unit running replacing wires and capacitors &
even fans and blowers for 10 years before replacing the whole thing.
I've found that unless you can find an open connection it is likely a
capacitor & often a bad capacitor will fry a wire which will also need
to be replaced. Caps are a good first try, and much cheaper than a
house call. The main thing is that after you run through it with the
multimeter, turn off the power before poking around and still you
should treat it like it is hot.

"Eric in North TX" wrote in message
oups.com...

I agree, I kept my old unit running replacing wires and capacitors &
even fans and blowers for 10 years before replacing the whole thing.
I've found that unless you can find an open connection it is likely a
capacitor & often a bad capacitor will fry a wire which will also need
to be replaced. Caps are a good first try, and much cheaper than a
house call. The main thing is that after you run through it with the
multimeter, turn off the power before poking around and still you
should treat it like it is hot.


Count me in too....My AC stopped working once and in a moment of weakness I
let the wife call a service company out of the newspaper. The guy came over,
poked around inside and out, then declared the compressor dead and started
to sell me a whole new unit.

I told him I'd think about it, then did some poking around of my own.
Re-opened up the panel on the outside unit, looked inside for about 30
seconds and found the problem.

A very unlucky mouse had found his way on top of the start cap and in the
process of frying himself also burnt one wire off its terminal. A couple
minutes of stripping and crimping a new terminal and its been golden
since.....

I really wanted to deliver the smoked mouse carcass to that service company,
I gotta tell ya......That's the last time I'll ever call anyone without at
least LOOKING myself !!!

No guts, No glory, Right?

And of course I did all this with the power OFF....I may have moments of
stupidity but I'm not dumb

Jeff

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:07:59 GMT, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:41:16 GMT, Ignoramus18860
wrote:

I have to respectfully disagree with some members of alt.hvac who seem
to imply that any A/C problem requires a "specialist", and that chumps
like those who frequent rec.crafts.metalworking have no business even
looking at A/C problems.

The thing is, these home-moaner questions are along the lines
of someone posting to your group rec.crafts.metalworking and asking 'I
have aluminum siding and I want to install a satellite dish. What
kind of tools should I use ?'. It may have to do with 'working with
metal', in some sense, but it's just not appropriate to the group.

Maybe so. In the case of a recent poster, though, his problem was
clearly stated, and sensible questions were asked.


So, while, no doubt, sometimes learned experts are necessary, they are
not always necessary, and should not be called without some
preliminary investigation.

That's fine. I don't think anyone in alt.hvac would argue
against that. Then on the other hand, most of us are real tired of
being instructors for that 'preliminary investigation'.

Well, if you get phone calls like that, I share the sentiment
somewhat. (somewhat being the key word) Phone calls also involve more
liability, e.g if you tell some dumbass to try to use a multimeter and
poke around, and he dies from being electrocuted, you may have some
legal problems.

In case of newsgroups, though, that's exactly what they are designed
for, for people asking questions and getting help. Some people may
start off asking stupid questions, or wrong questions, or not giving
sufficient information, but if they have some capacity to learn, they
can benefit from advice. And people can tell good advice from bad,
too.

And if HVAC experts provide good advice, that would, in my opinion,
only increase respect for their profession.

I had huge luck asking for advice on repairing things (A/C, hot tub,
generator etc), simply because smart people felt like sharing their
knowledge. And in most cases, I started off with more or less complete
ignorance of the issues involved in every particular case.

I wish it was more so for the case of HVAC type questions.

i

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:35:41 -0700, Abe wrote:

That's fine. I don't think anyone in alt.hvac would argue
against that. Then on the other hand, most of us are real tired of
being instructors for that 'preliminary investigation'.
You do have the right to ignore the question. You're not obligated to
chime in. You do know that, don't you?

I also have the right to repsond to it if I please.


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unscrupolous or too lazy or too stupid. Just like auto mechanics who
randomly replace parts until they get around ot the one that's really
bad (all at your expense, of course).

That story shows that there is a difference between unscrupulous and
incompetant. It's much easier to jsut rpelace "all the electronics" than
it is to train SMART people how to minimize the costs.

Ignoramus18860 wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:45:33 -0400, Never_Enough_Tools wrote:

"Eric in North TX" wrote in message
groups.com...

I agree, I kept my old unit running replacing wires and capacitors &
even fans and blowers for 10 years before replacing the whole thing.
I've found that unless you can find an open connection it is likely a
capacitor & often a bad capacitor will fry a wire which will also need
to be replaced. Caps are a good first try, and much cheaper than a
house call. The main thing is that after you run through it with the
multimeter, turn off the power before poking around and still you
should treat it like it is hot.


Count me in too....My AC stopped working once and in a moment of weakness I
let the wife call a service company out of the newspaper. The guy came over,
poked around inside and out, then declared the compressor dead and started
to sell me a whole new unit.

I told him I'd think about it, then did some poking around of my own.
Re-opened up the panel on the outside unit, looked inside for about 30
seconds and found the problem.

A very unlucky mouse had found his way on top of the start cap and in the
process of frying himself also burnt one wire off its terminal. A couple
minutes of stripping and crimping a new terminal and its been golden
since.....


The story is typical of these assholes. (I mean service persons, not
mice).

I had a lightning fry my A/C once too. See pictures of an exploded oak
tree at

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/lightning/


I did some "poking around" with a multimeter and found out that the
speed controller board was bad, but the main control board was likely
good.

Called a tech. Told him to carefully check what is wrong.

He came in, called me at work, and said "I think that we should
replace all electronics".

I asked what is the basis of his conclusion. He mumbled some
nonsense.

I did not hire him. Asked another company to look and told him that I
did some dicking around and that I think that the speed controller
board is bad.

He looked, agreed with me, replaced in on warranty, charged me for
labor and that was it.

So, there is no shortage of "unscrupulous" people in that business.

i

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:07:59 GMT,
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:41:16 GMT, Ignoramus18860
wrote:

I have to respectfully disagree with some members of alt.hvac who seem
to imply that any A/C problem requires a "specialist", and that chumps
like those who frequent rec.crafts.metalworking have no business even
looking at A/C problems.

The thing is, these home-moaner questions are along the lines
of someone posting to your group rec.crafts.metalworking and asking 'I
have aluminum siding and I want to install a satellite dish. What
kind of tools should I use ?'. It may have to do with 'working with
metal', in some sense, but it's just not appropriate to the group.

Yet we answer those questions readily enough, without invective or
demonizing the questioner. Those sort of questions do come up quit
regularly.


So, while, no doubt, sometimes learned experts are necessary, they are
not always necessary, and should not be called without some
preliminary investigation.

That's fine. I don't think anyone in alt.hvac would argue
against that. Then on the other hand, most of us are real tired of
being instructors for that 'preliminary investigation'.


Find another line of work. Perhaps mortician? Business is stiff,
clients are dying to get in to your business and they never talk back.

Gunner




i

The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:48:52 GMT,
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:35:41 -0700, Abe wrote:

That's fine. I don't think anyone in alt.hvac would argue
against that. Then on the other hand, most of us are real tired of
being instructors for that 'preliminary investigation'.
You do have the right to ignore the question. You're not obligated to
chime in. You do know that, don't you?

I also have the right to repsond to it if I please.

Indeed you do. Its also your right to look the utter buffoon in doing
so.

Gunner

The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,

wrote in
:


The thing is, these home-moaner questions are along the lines
of someone posting to your group rec.crafts.metalworking and asking 'I
have aluminum siding and I want to install a satellite dish. What
kind of tools should I use ?'. It may have to do with 'working with
metal', in some sense, but it's just not appropriate to the group.


Actually, that would be quite appropriate.


That's fine. I don't think anyone in alt.hvac would argue
against that. Then on the other hand, most of us are real tired of
being instructors for that 'preliminary investigation'.

That's easy to fix, if you are tired of it..just don't answer the
post..fairly simple...eh? But no, you have to answer it as smart-assed
as you can, then b*tch about answering it. What a LAMER.


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On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:18:30 GMT, Anthony
wrote:

wrote in
:


The thing is, these home-moaner questions are along the lines
of someone posting to your group rec.crafts.metalworking and asking 'I
have aluminum siding and I want to install a satellite dish. What
kind of tools should I use ?'. It may have to do with 'working with
metal', in some sense, but it's just not appropriate to the group.


Actually, that would be quite appropriate.

Actually, no, it would not.


That's fine. I don't think anyone in alt.hvac would argue
against that. Then on the other hand, most of us are real tired of
being instructors for that 'preliminary investigation'.

That's easy to fix, if you are tired of it..just don't answer the
post..fairly simple...eh? But no, you have to answer it as smart-assed
as you can, then b*tch about answering it. What a LAMER.

**** off, bitch-boi.

BTW - you had the SAME choice here - looky looky which option
YOU picked !!

So shut your ****ing mouth and bugger off silently, asshole.


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Never_Enough_Tools wrote:

"Eric in North TX" wrote in message
oups.com...

I agree, I kept my old unit running replacing wires and capacitors &
even fans and blowers for 10 years before replacing the whole thing.
I've found that unless you can find an open connection it is likely a
capacitor & often a bad capacitor will fry a wire which will also need
to be replaced. Caps are a good first try, and much cheaper than a
house call. The main thing is that after you run through it with the
multimeter, turn off the power before poking around and still you
should treat it like it is hot.



Count me in too....My AC stopped working once and in a moment of weakness I
let the wife call a service company out of the newspaper. The guy came over,
poked around inside and out, then declared the compressor dead and started
to sell me a whole new unit.

The last time I calls a "professional," he proceeded to rip the wires
off all the terminal blocks and then pronounced I'd need a whole new
unit. When I asked him to instead put it back the way he'd found it so
I could get a second opinion, he refused, got in his truck, and drove
away.


I told him I'd think about it, then did some poking around of my own.
Re-opened up the panel on the outside unit, looked inside for about 30
seconds and found the problem.

A very unlucky mouse had found his way on top of the start cap and in the
process of frying himself also burnt one wire off its terminal. A couple
minutes of stripping and crimping a new terminal and its been golden
since.....

I really wanted to deliver the smoked mouse carcass to that service company,
I gotta tell ya......That's the last time I'll ever call anyone without at
least LOOKING myself !!!

No guts, No glory, Right?

And of course I did all this with the power OFF....I may have moments of
stupidity but I'm not dumb

Jeff




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"CJT" wrote in message
...
The last time I calls a "professional," he proceeded to rip the wires
off all the terminal blocks and then pronounced I'd need a whole new
unit. When I asked him to instead put it back the way he'd found it so
I could get a second opinion, he refused, got in his truck, and drove
away.

No guns in your house?

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:03:50 GMT, CJT wrote:
Never_Enough_Tools wrote:

"Eric in North TX" wrote in message
oups.com...

I agree, I kept my old unit running replacing wires and capacitors &
even fans and blowers for 10 years before replacing the whole thing.
I've found that unless you can find an open connection it is likely a
capacitor & often a bad capacitor will fry a wire which will also need
to be replaced. Caps are a good first try, and much cheaper than a
house call. The main thing is that after you run through it with the
multimeter, turn off the power before poking around and still you
should treat it like it is hot.



Count me in too....My AC stopped working once and in a moment of weakness I
let the wife call a service company out of the newspaper. The guy came over,
poked around inside and out, then declared the compressor dead and started
to sell me a whole new unit.

The last time I calls a "professional," he proceeded to rip the wires
off all the terminal blocks and then pronounced I'd need a whole new
unit. When I asked him to instead put it back the way he'd found it so
I could get a second opinion, he refused, got in his truck, and drove
away.

Hm, why did he do it?

i

wrote in message
oups.com...
unscrupolous or too lazy or too stupid. Just like auto mechanics who
randomly replace parts until they get around ot the one that's really
bad (all at your expense, of course).

Same as computer repair folks, or *ANY* other vocation......

wrote in
:


Actually, no, it would not.

Hrmm..I think it would, and I've been participating in this newsgroup for
quite some time. You've been here, what...2 days? How could you possibly
have a clue as to what is appropriate?

**** off, bitch-boi.

Heh...immaturity at it's finest....what..you all of 18 yrs old?..mentally
anyway.


BTW - you had the SAME choice here - looky looky which option
YOU picked !!


Yup, I replied to some immature little ass. Make a capital case out of
it.

So shut your ****ing mouth and bugger off silently, asshole.



Heh..I'll be here giving good, solid, accurate help long after you are
gone off whining somewhere else.
HVAC isn't rocket science, or a black art as you so rudely imply. It's a
fairly simple concept actually. You know this, which is why you do not
want to give aide. If everyone knew how relatively simple it was, there
would be no need for a "Professional" such as claim to be. Btw, nice
little post for a "Professional".



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On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:52:13 GMT, Anthony
wrote:

wrote in
:


Actually, no, it would not.

Hrmm..I think it would, and I've been participating in this newsgroup for
quite some time. You've been here, what...2 days? How could you possibly
have a clue as to what is appropriate?

I'm not 'in' your group at ALL, and if you ****s would stop
cross-posting this crap to alt.hvac, I'd be gone from YOUR group.


**** off, bitch-boi.

Heh...immaturity at it's finest....what..you all of 18 yrs old?..mentally
anyway.


BTW - you had the SAME choice here - looky looky which option
YOU picked !!


Yup, I replied to some immature little ass. Make a capital case out of
it.

So shut your ****ing mouth and bugger off silently, asshole.



Heh..I'll be here giving good, solid, accurate help long after you are
gone off whining somewhere else.
HVAC isn't rocket science, or a black art as you so rudely imply. It's a
fairly simple concept actually. You know this, which is why you do not
want to give aide. If everyone knew how relatively simple it was, there
would be no need for a "Professional" such as claim to be. Btw, nice
little post for a "Professional".

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Anthony wrote:

wrote in
:



The thing is, these home-moaner questions are along the lines
of someone posting to your group rec.crafts.metalworking and asking 'I
have aluminum siding and I want to install a satellite dish. What
kind of tools should I use ?'. It may have to do with 'working with
metal', in some sense, but it's just not appropriate to the group.



Actually, that would be quite appropriate.



That's fine. I don't think anyone in alt.hvac would argue
against that. Then on the other hand, most of us are real tired of
being instructors for that 'preliminary investigation'.


That's easy to fix, if you are tired of it..just don't answer the
post..fairly simple...eh? But no, you have to answer it as smart-assed
as you can, then b*tch about answering it. What a LAMER.


Indeed. It's a sign of insecurity and lack of manhood.

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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:14:20 GMT, CJT wrote:

Anthony wrote:

wrote in
:



The thing is, these home-moaner questions are along the lines
of someone posting to your group rec.crafts.metalworking and asking 'I
have aluminum siding and I want to install a satellite dish. What
kind of tools should I use ?'. It may have to do with 'working with
metal', in some sense, but it's just not appropriate to the group.



Actually, that would be quite appropriate.



That's fine. I don't think anyone in alt.hvac would argue
against that. Then on the other hand, most of us are real tired of
being instructors for that 'preliminary investigation'.


That's easy to fix, if you are tired of it..just don't answer the
post..fairly simple...eh? But no, you have to answer it as smart-assed
as you can, then b*tch about answering it. What a LAMER.


Indeed. It's a sign of insecurity and lack of manhood.

Indeed, you can blow me.


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Ignoramus18860 wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:03:50 GMT, CJT wrote:

Never_Enough_Tools wrote:


"Eric in North TX" wrote in message
egroups.com...


I agree, I kept my old unit running replacing wires and capacitors &
even fans and blowers for 10 years before replacing the whole thing.
I've found that unless you can find an open connection it is likely a
capacitor & often a bad capacitor will fry a wire which will also need
to be replaced. Caps are a good first try, and much cheaper than a
house call. The main thing is that after you run through it with the
multimeter, turn off the power before poking around and still you
should treat it like it is hot.



Count me in too....My AC stopped working once and in a moment of weakness I
let the wife call a service company out of the newspaper. The guy came over,
poked around inside and out, then declared the compressor dead and started
to sell me a whole new unit.

The last time I calls a "professional," he proceeded to rip the wires
off all the terminal blocks and then pronounced I'd need a whole new
unit. When I asked him to instead put it back the way he'd found it so
I could get a second opinion, he refused, got in his truck, and drove
away.


Hm, why did he do it?

i

I assume he hoped I'd buy as he proposed.

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wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:14:20 GMT, CJT wrote:


Anthony wrote:


wrote in
:




The thing is, these home-moaner questions are along the lines
of someone posting to your group rec.crafts.metalworking and asking 'I
have aluminum siding and I want to install a satellite dish. What
kind of tools should I use ?'. It may have to do with 'working with
metal', in some sense, but it's just not appropriate to the group.



Actually, that would be quite appropriate.




That's fine. I don't think anyone in alt.hvac would argue
against that. Then on the other hand, most of us are real tired of
being instructors for that 'preliminary investigation'.


That's easy to fix, if you are tired of it..just don't answer the
post..fairly simple...eh? But no, you have to answer it as smart-assed
as you can, then b*tch about answering it. What a LAMER.



Indeed. It's a sign of insecurity and lack of manhood.


Indeed, you can blow me.


Not interested. But you can kiss my *ss.

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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:02:14 GMT,
wrote:




Heh..I'll be here giving good, solid, accurate help long after you are
gone off whining somewhere else.
HVAC isn't rocket science, or a black art as you so rudely imply. It's a
fairly simple concept actually. You know this, which is why you do not
want to give aide. If everyone knew how relatively simple it was, there
would be no need for a "Professional" such as claim to be. Btw, nice
little post for a "Professional".

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Actually..I do volunteer work for this one

http://www.cause4cats.com/

Feel free to send a donation.


Somehow I get the feeling this ****tard is just the pizza faced teen
that they hire part time to wash the trucks.

Shrug


Gunner

The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:44:58 GMT, Gunner wrote:

Actually..I do volunteer work for this one
http://www.cause4cats.com/
Feel free to send a donation.

Say hi to Christy Marx for me.

wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:18:30 GMT, Anthony
wrote:


wrote in
m:



The thing is, these home-moaner questions are along the lines
of someone posting to your group rec.crafts.metalworking and asking 'I
have aluminum siding and I want to install a satellite dish. What
kind of tools should I use ?'. It may have to do with 'working with
metal', in some sense, but it's just not appropriate to the group.



Actually, that would be quite appropriate.


Actually, no, it would not.



That's fine. I don't think anyone in alt.hvac would argue
against that. Then on the other hand, most of us are real tired of
being instructors for that 'preliminary investigation'.

That's easy to fix, if you are tired of it..just don't answer the
post..fairly simple...eh? But no, you have to answer it as smart-assed
as you can, then b*tch about answering it. What a LAMER.


**** off, bitch-boi.

BTW - you had the SAME choice here - looky looky which option
YOU picked !!

So shut your ****ing mouth and bugger off silently, asshole.


What happened ? Your pimp bitch-slapped ya again........
You must be the $29.95 AC check up special bitch...
Replaced how many frederstats on old folks HVAC units today ?
Gee, we must have touched a goonuion nerve.
Scam bagger
Marc

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 02:01:06 GMT, Marc wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:18:30 GMT, Anthony
wrote:


wrote in
:



The thing is, these home-moaner questions are along the lines
of someone posting to your group rec.crafts.metalworking and asking 'I
have aluminum siding and I want to install a satellite dish. What
kind of tools should I use ?'. It may have to do with 'working with
metal', in some sense, but it's just not appropriate to the group.



Actually, that would be quite appropriate.


Actually, no, it would not.



That's fine. I don't think anyone in alt.hvac would argue
against that. Then on the other hand, most of us are real tired of
being instructors for that 'preliminary investigation'.

That's easy to fix, if you are tired of it..just don't answer the
post..fairly simple...eh? But no, you have to answer it as smart-assed
as you can, then b*tch about answering it. What a LAMER.


**** off, bitch-boi.

BTW - you had the SAME choice here - looky looky which option
YOU picked !!

So shut your ****ing mouth and bugger off silently, asshole.


What happened ? Your pimp bitch-slapped ya again........
You must be the $29.95 AC check up special bitch...
Replaced how many frederstats on old folks HVAC units today ?
Gee, we must have touched a goonuion nerve.
Scam bagger
Marc

Go suck your buddy's dick again, faggot.


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"CJT" wrote in message
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Anthony wrote:

wrote in
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The thing is, these home-moaner questions are along the lines
of someone posting to your group rec.crafts.metalworking and asking 'I
have aluminum siding and I want to install a satellite dish. What
kind of tools should I use ?'. It may have to do with 'working with
metal', in some sense, but it's just not appropriate to the group.



Actually, that would be quite appropriate.



That's fine. I don't think anyone in alt.hvac would argue
against that. Then on the other hand, most of us are real tired of
being instructors for that 'preliminary investigation'.


That's easy to fix, if you are tired of it..just don't answer the
post..fairly simple...eh? But no, you have to answer it as smart-assed
as you can, then b*tch about answering it. What a LAMER.


Indeed. It's a sign of insecurity and lack of manhood.

You'd like a mouthful of manhood?

Noon-Air wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...
unscrupolous or too lazy or too stupid. Just like auto mechanics who
randomly replace parts until they get around ot the one that's really
bad (all at your expense, of course).

Same as computer repair folks, or *ANY* other vocation......

Wrong, computer repair folks swap parts in from their spares bin and
then back out if it didn't solve the problem until it's fixed. They then
only charge you for the part you needed, not every single part they
tried.

Pete C.

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:39:35 GMT, CJT wrote:
Ignoramus18860 wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:03:50 GMT, CJT wrote:

The last time I calls a "professional," he proceeded to rip the wires
off all the terminal blocks and then pronounced I'd need a whole new
unit. When I asked him to instead put it back the way he'd found it so
I could get a second opinion, he refused, got in his truck, and drove
away.

Hm, why did he do it?

I assume he hoped I'd buy as he proposed.

Just goes to show you that there are crooks and asshats in every
profession. If you get lucky, they out themselves BEFORE you've
signed any commitments or handed over a big wad of cash.

But the big decision I'd see in the above situation is: Do I call
the local Cops and get him arrested for Vandalism, or the Contractor's
State License Board to cash out his Bond for the damages and get his
ticket pulled? Or both?

-- Bruce --

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:03:43 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:39:35 GMT, CJT wrote:
Ignoramus18860 wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:03:50 GMT, CJT wrote:

The last time I calls a "professional," he proceeded to rip the wires
off all the terminal blocks and then pronounced I'd need a whole new
unit. When I asked him to instead put it back the way he'd found it so
I could get a second opinion, he refused, got in his truck, and drove
away.

Hm, why did he do it?

I assume he hoped I'd buy as he proposed.

Just goes to show you that there are crooks and asshats in every
profession. If you get lucky, they out themselves BEFORE you've
signed any commitments or handed over a big wad of cash.

But the big decision I'd see in the above situation is: Do I call
the local Cops and get him arrested for Vandalism, or the Contractor's
State License Board to cash out his Bond for the damages and get his
ticket pulled? Or both?

-- Bruce --

As a C7-C10 holder..I vote for both.

Gunner

The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,

In rec.crafts.metalworking Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:39:35 GMT, CJT wrote:
Ignoramus18860 wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:03:50 GMT, CJT wrote:

The last time I calls a "professional," he proceeded to rip the wires
off all the terminal blocks and then pronounced I'd need a whole new
unit. When I asked him to instead put it back the way he'd found it so
I could get a second opinion, he refused, got in his truck, and drove
away.

Hm, why did he do it?

I assume he hoped I'd buy as he proposed.

Just goes to show you that there are crooks and asshats in every
profession. If you get lucky, they out themselves BEFORE you've
signed any commitments or handed over a big wad of cash.

But the big decision I'd see in the above situation is: Do I call
the local Cops and get him arrested for Vandalism, or the Contractor's
State License Board to cash out his Bond for the damages and get his
ticket pulled? Or both?

call him out somewhere else. maybe he'd get a flat or something.

wrote in
:


Go suck your buddy's dick again, faggot.



tsk tsk tsk..all these immature, childish insults..I wonder..yup...

Seems to me that you've violated your ISP's terms of service agreement.
Anyone else wishing file a complaint is welcome to at

--
Anthony

You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.

Remove sp to reply via email

Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:39:35 GMT, CJT wrote:

Ignoramus18860 wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:03:50 GMT, CJT wrote:


The last time I calls a "professional," he proceeded to rip the wires
off all the terminal blocks and then pronounced I'd need a whole new
unit. When I asked him to instead put it back the way he'd found it so
I could get a second opinion, he refused, got in his truck, and drove
away.

Hm, why did he do it?

I assume he hoped I'd buy as he proposed.


Just goes to show you that there are crooks and asshats in every
profession. If you get lucky, they out themselves BEFORE you've
signed any commitments or handed over a big wad of cash.

But the big decision I'd see in the above situation is: Do I call
the local Cops and get him arrested for Vandalism, or the Contractor's
State License Board to cash out his Bond for the damages and get his
ticket pulled? Or both?

-- Bruce --

Coulda, shoulda, woulda ... but I was more intent at the time on
getting the thing fixed, and once that was done, I had cooled down
(both literally and figuratively) so he was free to strike again
elsewhere (I'm sorry to report).

--
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minimize spam. Our true address is of the form .

CJT wrote:
Never_Enough_Tools wrote:

The last time I calls a "professional," he proceeded to rip the wires
off all the terminal blocks and then pronounced I'd need a whole new
unit. When I asked him to instead put it back the way he'd found it so
I could get a second opinion, he refused, got in his truck, and drove
away.


Note to self:
Take photo of connections before allowing work on air conditioner.

dennis
in nca

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:44:20 GMT, Ignoramus16532
wrote:

On 19 Jul 2006 10:42:57 -0700, rigger wrote:

CJT wrote:
Never_Enough_Tools wrote:

The last time I calls a "professional," he proceeded to rip the wires
off all the terminal blocks and then pronounced I'd need a whole new
unit. When I asked him to instead put it back the way he'd found it so
I could get a second opinion, he refused, got in his truck, and drove
away.


Note to self:
Take photo of connections before allowing work on air conditioner.

and while you are at it, take photos of the professional and his truck

i

While you're at it, bend over and take a picture of your own
ass.


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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:44:20 GMT, Ignoramus16532
wrote:

On 19 Jul 2006 10:42:57 -0700, rigger wrote:

CJT wrote:
Never_Enough_Tools wrote:

The last time I calls a "professional," he proceeded to rip the wires
off all the terminal blocks and then pronounced I'd need a whole new
unit. When I asked him to instead put it back the way he'd found it so
I could get a second opinion, he refused, got in his truck, and drove
away.


Note to self:
Take photo of connections before allowing work on air conditioner.

and while you are at it, take photos of the professional and his truck

i

I guess I've been lucky with my HVAC service co. Always prompt,always
reasonable, always done a good job and always gave me good advice.

Last winter, when my packaged heat pump compressor went down (after 16
years) they gave me a choice of replacement of the compressor or the
entire unit. They strongly advised I replace the unit, about three
times the cost of the compressor replacement. Being naturally frugal
(read cheap) I almost didn't take their advice, but they persisted
with the logical arguments. Boy am I glad I gave in. New higher SEER
unit much more quiet, effective, and power bills much lower. On the
seven months compared about 25% less KWH used per month, and the only
thing I changed in the house is the heat pump. I know that you have to
do a specific degree day comparison to be totally accurate, but I
don't think it would be much different.

Frank

"Ignoramus16532" wrote in message
...
On 19 Jul 2006 10:42:57 -0700, rigger wrote:

CJT wrote:
Never_Enough_Tools wrote:

The last time I calls a "professional," he proceeded to rip the wires
off all the terminal blocks and then pronounced I'd need a whole new
unit. When I asked him to instead put it back the way he'd found it so
I could get a second opinion, he refused, got in his truck, and drove
away.


Note to self:
Take photo of connections before allowing work on air conditioner.

and while you are at it, take photos of the professional and his truck

i

Also, don't forget the photos of your wife naked.

Hi I just joined the group so please forgive any unintended rudeness on
my part.

Oh and don't let my nickname be misinterpreted as my being any sort of
self-proclaimed electrical genius.....It is a spin on our breed of dogs
...Wire hair fox terriers.

My question is this: I am about to replace the dual capacitor on my
heat pump. I have a vague understanding that it contains a charge that
could be lethal or could otherwise knock me on my @ss. What should I
do/not do as I remove the capacitor.....I know to turn the power off to
the outside unit but beyond that welcome any and all honest advice.

Thanks

Wyredog (fox terrier)

Hi I just joined the group so please forgive any unintended rudeness on
my part.

Oh and don't let my nickname be misinterpreted as my being any sort of
self-proclaimed electrical genius.....It is a spin on our breed of dogs
...Wire hair fox terriers.

My question is this: I am about to replace the dual capacitor on my
heat pump. I have a vague understanding that it contains a charge that
could be lethal or could otherwise knock me on my @ss. What should I
do/not do as I remove the capacitor.....I know to turn the power off to
the outside unit but beyond that welcome any and all honest advice.

Thanks

Wyredog (fox terrier)

On 19 Jul 2006 18:17:45 -0700, "wyredog"
wrote:

Hi I just joined the group so please forgive any unintended rudeness on
my part.

Oh and don't let my nickname be misinterpreted as my being any sort of
self-proclaimed electrical genius.....It is a spin on our breed of dogs
..Wire hair fox terriers.

My question is this: I am about to replace the dual capacitor on my
heat pump. I have a vague understanding that it contains a charge that
could be lethal or could otherwise knock me on my @ss. What should I
do/not do as I remove the capacitor.....I know to turn the power off to
the outside unit but beyond that welcome any and all honest advice.

Call someone who knows how to do it without ****ing it up.



Thanks

Wyredog (fox terrier)

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