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Sam's eBay Horror Story #1
"Arfa Daily" wrote in
: I mailed the real bank customer service department to inform them that someone had managed to hijack their primary domain. I went to a lot of trouble to point out that this was not your usual phishing mail, and was Reminds me of an experience I had. At my work I received an email for someone inquiring about our service. I dutifully replied with the requested information. I then get a request wanting to know how much it would be for 6 months advance payment. I again replied with the numbers. The next email from them was with a name, address, CC number and all the info I'd need to run the card with a request to do so. Thing is, we require a contract for our services that can only be filled out in person. I explained this to the emailer. They're reply was to insist that "this is very easy for you to do. Just run the card." This confirmed my suspicion that it was a known scam for my line of work. Anyway, now to the good part. Realizing this person was trying to use stolen information, I tried calling Visa to report it. Just a bunch of droids. Eventually I did get to someone in their security department that told me is was a bank card issued by Washington Mutual. So I called them. More droids. At one point I had to hang up on one guy because I could barely hear him and his accent was so thick I don't think it would have mattered if I could hear him. So finally, about an hour into this exercise of being bounced back and forth between departments, I get a hold of someone to give the card info to. I _COULD NOT_ get them to understand that I was trying to report a card that was being used fraudulently and that they needed to contact the owner to let them know. Further more, they wanted _MY_ personal information. So, here I was, trying to be the nice guy to report a stolen card so the owner doesn't have his account wiped out. HA!!!! Good luck!! Perhaps I should have just Googled the card owner and called them myself. Probably would have taken all of five minutes. Brian -- http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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On Jun 10, 1:05*am, Skywise wrote:
"Arfa Daily" wrote : I mailed the real bank customer service department to inform them that someone had managed to hijack their primary domain. I went to a lot of trouble to point out that this was not your usual phishing mail, and was Reminds me of an experience I had. At my work I received an email for someone inquiring about our service. I dutifully replied with the requested information. I then get a request wanting to know how much it would be for 6 months advance payment. I again replied with the numbers. The next email from them was with a name, address, CC number and all the info I'd need to run the card with a request to do so. Thing is, we require a contract for our services that can only be filled out in person. I explained this to the emailer. They're reply was to insist that "this is very easy for you to do. Just run the card." This confirmed my suspicion that it was a known scam for my line of work. Anyway, now to the good part. Realizing this person was trying to use stolen information, I tried calling Visa to report it. Just a bunch of droids. Eventually I did get to someone in their security department that told me is was a bank card issued by Washington Mutual. So I called them. More droids. At one point I had to hang up on one guy because I could barely hear him and his accent was so thick I don't think it would have mattered if I could hear him. So finally, about an hour into this exercise of being bounced back and forth between departments, I get a hold of someone to give the card info to. I _COULD NOT_ get them to understand that I was trying to report a card that was being used fraudulently and that they needed to contact the owner to let them know. Further more, they wanted _MY_ personal information. So, here I was, trying to be the nice guy to report a stolen card so the owner doesn't have his account wiped out. HA!!!! Good luck!! Perhaps I should have just Googled the card owner and called them myself. Probably would have taken all of five minutes. Brian --http://www.skywise711.com- Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ:http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions":http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? The best method is to report such credit card fraud to the FBI. They are usually very interested and have the resources to cross check your information against other similar cases. (I have also unsuccessfully reported fraud to the credit card company. They generally look at such losses as just part of doing business.) |
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"Helpful person" wrote in message
... On Jun 10, 1:05 am, Skywise wrote: "Arfa Daily" wrote : I mailed the real bank customer service department to inform them that someone had managed to hijack their primary domain. I went to a lot of trouble to point out that this was not your usual phishing mail, and was Reminds me of an experience I had. At my work I received an email for someone inquiring about our service. I dutifully replied with the requested information. I then get a request wanting to know how much it would be for 6 months advance payment. I again replied with the numbers. The next email from them was with a name, address, CC number and all the info I'd need to run the card with a request to do so. Thing is, we require a contract for our services that can only be filled out in person. I explained this to the emailer. They're reply was to insist that "this is very easy for you to do. Just run the card." This confirmed my suspicion that it was a known scam for my line of work. Anyway, now to the good part. Realizing this person was trying to use stolen information, I tried calling Visa to report it. Just a bunch of droids. Eventually I did get to someone in their security department that told me is was a bank card issued by Washington Mutual. So I called them. More droids. At one point I had to hang up on one guy because I could barely hear him and his accent was so thick I don't think it would have mattered if I could hear him. So finally, about an hour into this exercise of being bounced back and forth between departments, I get a hold of someone to give the card info to. I _COULD NOT_ get them to understand that I was trying to report a card that was being used fraudulently and that they needed to contact the owner to let them know. Further more, they wanted _MY_ personal information. So, here I was, trying to be the nice guy to report a stolen card so the owner doesn't have his account wiped out. HA!!!! Good luck!! Perhaps I should have just Googled the card owner and called them myself. Probably would have taken all of five minutes. Brian --http://www.skywise711.com- Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Seismic FAQ:http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Quake "predictions":http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? The best method is to report such credit card fraud to the FBI. They are usually very interested and have the resources to cross check your information against other similar cases. (I have also unsuccessfully reported fraud to the credit card company. They generally look at such losses as just part of doing business.) LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL Hi Sam, Check with the students from U of Penn dept. of Criminal Psychology computer workshop ( I'll bet the original message came from there )... -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs --- Synchronet 3.14a-Win32 NewsLink 2.03 Charlie's Place BBS - http://cpbbs.synchro.net:8080 - telnet://cpbbs.synchro.net.16:8023 - ftp://cpbbs.synchro.net:8021/00index.html |
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Sam's eBay Horror Story #1
Jeff Liebermann writes:
They *DONT* give the number to "just anyone". "Except you". So they're saying you *ARE* "just anyone". The one special just-anyone that they give the number to. Which is also a lie: I got the same email, so there's at least two of us one-of-a-kind just-anyones. And yes, my copy did come from eBay, not a phisher. |
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Sam's eBay Horror Story #1
"Sam Goldwasser" wrote in message
... Louis Boyd writes: Jeff Liebermann wrote: On 06 Jun 2008 22:40:43 -0400, Sam Goldwasser wrote: I will be updating this as it plays out. I expect the outcome to be satisfactory, but the route it's taking is like one of those nightmares where you're trapped on a 15 dimensional mobius strip. You may soon have another way to contact and possibly yell at eBay. They just sent me an "invitation" email annoucing: =========================================== Coming June 16: eBay Phone Support =========================================== * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * We don't give our number to just anyone (except you) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Get access to eBay Phone Support: Only invited members like you will be able to call our new number. To access this faster service, you'll need to set up a PIN in My eBay. Also be sure to add your current phone number to your profile. Then, you'll be all set to go on June 16. For some unknown reason, I guess it's a big secret. If you didn't get an "invitation" I guess you're on eBay black list. My guess(tm) is that I'll end up talking to a humanoid robot, reading from a script, and talking in boilerplate. Kinda like a verbal version of your email exchange with eBay support. I got that same email. I assumed it was another fraud scheme and erased it. I only respond to ebay messages which come up on "my ebay" after I've logged in to ebay. I NEVER to messages sent by email if they have any "click buttons" to redirect or download information. Anyone can send email and make it look like it came from any URL by name or IP number. Yes, ebay security sucks, but it's probably no worse than shopping at the average mall. You can get pickpocketed there too. That said I only buy on ebay and have over 1000 transaction. So far I've saved a lot more than I lost on a few bum deals. I the seller says "untested" or "as is" you can be sure equipment is junk. Actually, I've had rather good experience with "untested" and "as-is". --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header above is ignored unless my full name AND either lasers or electronics is included in the subject line. Or, you can contact me via the Feedback Form in the FAQs. You Know, Sam you wont make a good law enforcement officer, Please consider don't join the police,fire,rescue,FBI,CIA because criminals would run riot -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs --- Synchronet 3.14a-Win32 NewsLink 2.03 Charlie's Place BBS - http://cpbbs.synchro.net:8080 - telnet://cpbbs.synchro.net.16:8023 - ftp://cpbbs.synchro.net:8021/00index.html |
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Sam's eBay Horror Story #1
Sam Goldwasser wrote: I have been a member in good standing with eBay since 1999. As readers of Sam's Laser FAQ are probably aware, I have acquired a large number of lasers and related items on eBay, most at bargain basement prices. All in all I have been very satisfied with the eBay experience. Until now. For a blow-by-blow saga of what I'm experiencing now, please go to http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/ebayhorror1.htm I will be updating this as it plays out. I expect the outcome to be satisfactory, but the route it's taking is like one of those nightmares where you're trapped on a 15 dimensional mobius strip. Comments welcome! A Stockholder, and Merchant, Loses Confidence in eBay http://seekingalpha.com/article/8135...idence-in-ebay (Small eBay seller had his account (with over 400 positive feedbacks) suspended because of one negative feedback.) A new test case of the DMCA--this time over an eBay auction http://news.cnet.com/8301-10787_3-9949976-60.html (Totally bogus accusation against eBay seller -- eBay suspends him.) |
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wrote in message ... Sam Goldwasser wrote: I have been a member in good standing with eBay since 1999. As readers of Sam's Laser FAQ are probably aware, I have acquired a large number of lasers and related items on eBay, most at bargain basement prices. All in all I have been very satisfied with the eBay experience. Until now. For a blow-by-blow saga of what I'm experiencing now, please go to http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/ebayhorror1.htm I will be updating this as it plays out. I expect the outcome to be satisfactory, but the route it's taking is like one of those nightmares where you're trapped on a 15 dimensional mobius strip. Comments welcome! A Stockholder, and Merchant, Loses Confidence in eBay http://seekingalpha.com/article/8135...idence-in-ebay (Small eBay seller had his account (with over 400 positive feedbacks) suspended because of one negative feedback.) A new test case of the DMCA--this time over an eBay auction http://news.cnet.com/8301-10787_3-9949976-60.html (Totally bogus accusation against eBay seller -- eBay suspends him.) And all my friends wonder why I highly recommend not doing ANY business via or with E-Bay!! Seen and heard too many horror stories that eventually cost many people a lot of money and confidence. |
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Sam's eBay Horror Story #1
"Art" wrote in message news wrote in message ... Sam Goldwasser wrote: I have been a member in good standing with eBay since 1999. As readers of Sam's Laser FAQ are probably aware, I have acquired a large number of lasers and related items on eBay, most at bargain basement prices. All in all I have been very satisfied with the eBay experience. Until now. For a blow-by-blow saga of what I'm experiencing now, please go to http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/ebayhorror1.htm I will be updating this as it plays out. I expect the outcome to be satisfactory, but the route it's taking is like one of those nightmares where you're trapped on a 15 dimensional mobius strip. Comments welcome! A Stockholder, and Merchant, Loses Confidence in eBay http://seekingalpha.com/article/8135...idence-in-ebay (Small eBay seller had his account (with over 400 positive feedbacks) suspended because of one negative feedback.) A new test case of the DMCA--this time over an eBay auction http://news.cnet.com/8301-10787_3-9949976-60.html (Totally bogus accusation against eBay seller -- eBay suspends him.) And all my friends wonder why I highly recommend not doing ANY business via or with E-Bay!! Seen and heard too many horror stories that eventually cost many people a lot of money and confidence. On the whole, up until now, I don't honestly believe that there has been any real problem with e-Bay or its user community. I know many people who have been both buying and selling regularly on there from the start, who have had no problems at all. I have bought quite a lot of stuff over the years, and I have had one problem with a very slow shipment, and one where a shipment never arrived at all. Probably a total of about eight quid lost. If you were to ask anyone about their buying experiences from anywhere, they would all have a story or two. Just last week, I bought some new kitchen stuff from a large UK DIY warehouse. Despite going over it with the salesman several times, the first item off the truck, when it was delivered, was wrong. It took probably an hour's worth of phone calls and wasted time to sort this out. As bad or worse than an e-Bay experience ? Not really any different, I think ... At the end of the day, e-Bay are a business, and they are not going to deliberately do anything to **** their customers / users off. The business has evolved and grown over the years, and anyone who is in business and understands business, will appreciate that what works when an enterprise is small, often doesn't when it is bigger. It becomes necessary to alter business strategies, and there are bound to be things that people have gotten used to, that they don't like the repalcements for. Sometimes, what seems like a good idea at the time, doesn't work out, so something else has to be tried, or even a return to the previous system is called for. Sometimes, it's down to a change of ownership, or even management. Not all 'managers' are actually qualified to manage. The current changes to payment methods, and the apparent mismanagement of exemplary users' accounts, may just be down to some inept department head, who sooner or later, will be 'discovered' ... In the meantime, I think it is a bit premature to be writing off what has been - and probably still is - a fundamentally honest and successful business, because it's currently having a few problems, or is doing something which you (at the moment) don't agree with. Arfa |
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Sam's eBay Horror Story #1
With literally millions of sellers and buyers, it's hard to keep everyone
honest. They are so obcessed with security that everyone is guilty until proven innocent, and then there is no explanation. And the entire issue of changes to the feedback system and of cloaking user IDs would seem to be counter- productive to anyone outside the system. Perhaps this is just a matter of eBay having grown so big so fast, but it also seems to be an issue of being unwilling to put the effort and expense into developing proper customer service. Just because they are an on-line company (as their blurb puts it) is no excuse not to have a means of direct customer contact via phone. Businesses can't afford to wait 24 or 48 hours to get a response via email, and then another 24 or 48 hours for their response to be read, and then not by the same person! --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header above is ignored unless my full name AND either lasers or electronics is included in the subject line. Or, you can contact me via the Feedback Form in the FAQs. "Arfa Daily" writes: "Art" wrote in message news wrote in message ... Sam Goldwasser wrote: I have been a member in good standing with eBay since 1999. As readers of Sam's Laser FAQ are probably aware, I have acquired a large number of lasers and related items on eBay, most at bargain basement prices. All in all I have been very satisfied with the eBay experience. Until now. For a blow-by-blow saga of what I'm experiencing now, please go to http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/ebayhorror1.htm I will be updating this as it plays out. I expect the outcome to be satisfactory, but the route it's taking is like one of those nightmares where you're trapped on a 15 dimensional mobius strip. Comments welcome! A Stockholder, and Merchant, Loses Confidence in eBay http://seekingalpha.com/article/8135...idence-in-ebay (Small eBay seller had his account (with over 400 positive feedbacks) suspended because of one negative feedback.) A new test case of the DMCA--this time over an eBay auction http://news.cnet.com/8301-10787_3-9949976-60.html (Totally bogus accusation against eBay seller -- eBay suspends him.) And all my friends wonder why I highly recommend not doing ANY business via or with E-Bay!! Seen and heard too many horror stories that eventually cost many people a lot of money and confidence. On the whole, up until now, I don't honestly believe that there has been any real problem with e-Bay or its user community. I know many people who have been both buying and selling regularly on there from the start, who have had no problems at all. I have bought quite a lot of stuff over the years, and I have had one problem with a very slow shipment, and one where a shipment never arrived at all. Probably a total of about eight quid lost. If you were to ask anyone about their buying experiences from anywhere, they would all have a story or two. Just last week, I bought some new kitchen stuff from a large UK DIY warehouse. Despite going over it with the salesman several times, the first item off the truck, when it was delivered, was wrong. It took probably an hour's worth of phone calls and wasted time to sort this out. As bad or worse than an e-Bay experience ? Not really any different, I think ... At the end of the day, e-Bay are a business, and they are not going to deliberately do anything to **** their customers / users off. The business has evolved and grown over the years, and anyone who is in business and understands business, will appreciate that what works when an enterprise is small, often doesn't when it is bigger. It becomes necessary to alter business strategies, and there are bound to be things that people have gotten used to, that they don't like the repalcements for. Sometimes, what seems like a good idea at the time, doesn't work out, so something else has to be tried, or even a return to the previous system is called for. Sometimes, it's down to a change of ownership, or even management. Not all 'managers' are actually qualified to manage. The current changes to payment methods, and the apparent mismanagement of exemplary users' accounts, may just be down to some inept department head, who sooner or later, will be 'discovered' ... In the meantime, I think it is a bit premature to be writing off what has been - and probably still is - a fundamentally honest and successful business, because it's currently having a few problems, or is doing something which you (at the moment) don't agree with. Arfa |
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Sam's eBay Horror Story #1
"me" wrote in message
... Sam Goldwasser wrote: I have been a member in good standing with eBay since 1999. As readers of Sam's Laser FAQ are probably aware, I have acquired a large number of lasers and related items on eBay, most at bargain basement prices. All in all I have been very satisfied with the eBay experience. Until now. For a blow-by-blow saga of what I'm experiencing now, please go to http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/ebayhorror1.htm I will be updating this as it plays out. I expect the outcome to be satisfactory, but the route it's taking is like one of those nightmares where you're trapped on a 15 dimensional mobius strip. Comments welcome! A Stockholder, and Merchant, Loses Confidence in eBay http://seekingalpha.com/article/8135...idence-in-ebay (Small eBay seller had his account (with over 400 positive feedbacks) suspended because of one negative feedback.) A new test case of the DMCA--this time over an eBay auction http://news.cnet.com/8301-10787_3-9949976-60.html (Totally bogus accusation against eBay seller -- eBay suspends him.) You know Me, Changing mailing addresses does not help. Just what is it you bought from Ebay that caused all of this anyway??? -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs --- Synchronet 3.14a-Win32 NewsLink 2.03 Charlie's Place BBS - http://cpbbs.synchro.net:8080 - telnet://cpbbs.synchro.net.16:8023 - ftp://cpbbs.synchro.net:8021/00index.html |
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Arfa Daily wrote:
At the end of the day, e-Bay are a business, and they are not going to deliberately do anything to **** their customers / users off. Presently, however, I'm beginning to doubt that. The current changes to payment methods, and the apparent mismanagement of exemplary users' accounts, may just be down to some inept department head, who sooner or later, will be 'discovered' ... Were I a manager at eBay, I'd do regular sales and buys myself to see firsthand, what a customers situation is. it is a bit premature to be writing off what has been - and probably still is - a fundamentally honest and successful business, Imho should we distinguish here between - sellers and buyers, and - eBay management. The businesses success is largely due to sellers and buyers, and perhaps it came in spite of eBays management :-). because it's currently having a few problems, or is doing something which you (at the moment) don't agree with. The problems may imho be accounted to a management, which is trying out things just because they can be tried out. If they'd instead tend to their core business, namely to cultivate a market place and transparency, rather than to act as court, judge, sheriff, legislator, bank and what not else, the number of problems could probably be minimized easily. Regards, H. |
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"Sam Goldwasser" wrote in message
... With literally millions of sellers and buyers, it's hard to keep everyone honest. They are so obcessed with security that everyone is guilty until proven innocent, and then there is no explanation. And the entire issue of changes to the feedback system and of cloaking user IDs would seem to be counter- productive to anyone outside the system. Perhaps this is just a matter of eBay having grown so big so fast, but it also seems to be an issue of being unwilling to put the effort and expense into developing proper customer service. Just because they are an on-line company (as their blurb puts it) is no excuse not to have a means of direct customer contact via phone. Businesses can't afford to wait 24 or 48 hours to get a response via email, and then another 24 or 48 hours for their response to be read, and then not by the same person! --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header above is ignored unless my full name AND either lasers or electronics is included in the subject line. Or, you can contact me via the Feedback Form in the FAQs. "Arfa Daily" writes: "Art" wrote in message news wrote in message ... Sam Goldwasser wrote: I have been a member in good standing with eBay since 1999. As readers of Sam's Laser FAQ are probably aware, I have acquired a large number of lasers and related items on eBay, most at bargain basement prices. All in all I have been very satisfied with the eBay experience. Until now. For a blow-by-blow saga of what I'm experiencing now, please go to http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/ebayhorror1.htm I will be updating this as it plays out. I expect the outcome to be satisfactory, but the route it's taking is like one of those nightmares where you're trapped on a 15 dimensional mobius strip. Comments welcome! A Stockholder, and Merchant, Loses Confidence in eBay http://seekingalpha.com/article/8135...idence-in-ebay (Small eBay seller had his account (with over 400 positive feedbacks) suspended because of one negative feedback.) A new test case of the DMCA--this time over an eBay auction http://news.cnet.com/8301-10787_3-9949976-60.html (Totally bogus accusation against eBay seller -- eBay suspends him.) And all my friends wonder why I highly recommend not doing ANY business via or with E-Bay!! Seen and heard too many horror stories that eventually cost many people a lot of money and confidence. On the whole, up until now, I don't honestly believe that there has been any real problem with e-Bay or its user community. I know many people who have been both buying and selling regularly on there from the start, who have had no problems at all. I have bought quite a lot of stuff over the years, and I have had one problem with a very slow shipment, and one where a shipment never arrived at all. Probably a total of about eight quid lost. If you were to ask anyone about their buying experiences from anywhere, they would all have a story or two. Just last week, I bought some new kitchen stuff from a large UK DIY warehouse. Despite going over it with the salesman several times, the first item off the truck, when it was delivered, was wrong. It took probably an hour's worth of phone calls and wasted time to sort this out. As bad or worse than an e-Bay experience ? Not really any different, I think ... At the end of the day, e-Bay are a business, and they are not going to deliberately do anything to **** their customers / users off. The business has evolved and grown over the years, and anyone who is in business and understands business, will appreciate that what works when an enterprise is small, often doesn't when it is bigger. It becomes necessary to alter business strategies, and there are bound to be things that people have gotten used to, that they don't like the repalcements for. Sometimes, what seems like a good idea at the time, doesn't work out, so something else has to be tried, or even a return to the previous system is called for. Sometimes, it's down to a change of ownership, or even management. Not all 'managers' are actually qualified to manage. The current changes to payment methods, and the apparent mismanagement of exemplary users' accounts, may just be down to some inept department head, who sooner or later, will be 'discovered' ... In the meantime, I think it is a bit premature to be writing off what has been - and probably still is - a fundamentally honest and successful business, because it's currently having a few problems, or is doing something which you (at the moment) don't agree with. Arfa I hate to say this Sam but you still have a lot to learn about Ebay, Most people still get bounced for the infighting that goes on behind the big doors at Ebay and not on any real complaint. I suggest that you log onto the sellers blogs at Bay and take a look at what really goes on. Only then will you get a look behind the door... -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs --- Synchronet 3.14a-Win32 NewsLink 2.03 Charlie's Place BBS - http://cpbbs.synchro.net:8080 - telnet://cpbbs.synchro.net.16:8023 - ftp://cpbbs.synchro.net:8021/00index.html |
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"Michael A. Terrell" writes:
I will be updating this as it plays out. I expect the outcome to be satisfactory, but the route it's taking is like one of those nightmares where you're trapped on a 15 dimensional mobius strip. Just be happy that you aren't trapped in a Klein bottle! From http://kleinbottle.com perhaps? -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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So you've figured out: a) There are virtually no humans at eBay. There are some replicants, but they are Eliza School of Thinking graduates. The few humans are busy giving rosy PR briefings and telling Wall Street how wonderful things will be next quarter. b) You're always at fault. c) If not true, GOTO b). d) For more insight into dealing with eBay; read Brain Aldiss's _Who Can Replace a Man?_ -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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On Jun 6, 8:54*pm, Don Bowey wrote:
On 6/6/08 7:40 PM, in article , "Sam Goldwasser" wrote: I have been a member in good standing with eBay since 1999. *As readers of Sam's Laser FAQ are probably aware, I have acquired a large number of lasers and related items on eBay, most at bargain basement prices. *All in all I have been very satisfied with the eBay experience. *Until now. For a blow-by-blow saga of what I'm experiencing now, please go to http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/ebayhorror1.htm I will be updating this as it plays out. *I expect the outcome to be satisfactory, but the route it's taking is like one of those nightmares where you're trapped on a 15 dimensional mobius strip. Comments welcome! I've not had a problem of that kind with the idiots, but I have attempted to do a problem resolution with them and find them useless droids. To minimize contact with them I even quit using Paypal, as they wanted too much personal information such as checking account, etc. *I don't trust them and never will. Were I you, I'd talk with my attorney about the bad experience. No, if you were him, he be kicked off Ebay for selling pictures of yourself sucking dick. Good luck; *you'll need it.; |
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"Stephany Alexander" wrote in message
... On Jun 6, 8:54 pm, Don Bowey wrote: On 6/6/08 7:40 PM, in article , "Sam Goldwasser" wrote: I have been a member in good standing with eBay since 1999. As readers of Sam's Laser FAQ are probably aware, I have acquired a large number of lasers and related items on eBay, most at bargain basement prices. All in all I have been very satisfied with the eBay experience. Until now. For a blow-by-blow saga of what I'm experiencing now, please go to http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/ebayhorror1.htm I will be updating this as it plays out. I expect the outcome to be satisfactory, but the route it's taking is like one of those nightmares where you're trapped on a 15 dimensional mobius strip. Comments welcome! I've not had a problem of that kind with the idiots, but I have attempted to do a problem resolution with them and find them useless droids. To minimize contact with them I even quit using Paypal, as they wanted too much personal information such as checking account, etc. I don't trust them and never will. Were I you, I'd talk with my attorney about the bad experience. No, if you were him, he be kicked off Ebay for selling pictures of yourself sucking dick. Good luck; you'll need it.; Please Stephany, Keep it clean at least. Also note I was not able to verify any of Sam's story. You see the letter from Ebay does not appear valid. ( The original complaint is not there ). It does not seem like one of the in fights ongoing inside Ebay. -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs --- Synchronet 3.14a-Win32 NewsLink 2.03 Charlie's Place BBS - http://cpbbs.synchro.net:8080 - telnet://cpbbs.synchro.net.16:8023 - ftp://cpbbs.synchro.net:8021/00index.html |
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"Timelord" -4vc-this writes:
"Stephany Alexander" wrote in message ... On Jun 6, 8:54 pm, Don Bowey wrote: On 6/6/08 7:40 PM, in article , "Sam Goldwasser" wrote: I have been a member in good standing with eBay since 1999. As readers of Sam's Laser FAQ are probably aware, I have acquired a large number of lasers and related items on eBay, most at bargain basement prices. All in all I have been very satisfied with the eBay experience. Until now. For a blow-by-blow saga of what I'm experiencing now, please go to http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/ebayhorror1.htm I will be updating this as it plays out. I expect the outcome to be satisfactory, but the route it's taking is like one of those nightmares where you're trapped on a 15 dimensional mobius strip. Comments welcome! I've not had a problem of that kind with the idiots, but I have attempted to do a problem resolution with them and find them useless droids. To minimize contact with them I even quit using Paypal, as they wanted too much personal information such as checking account, etc. I don't trust them and never will. Were I you, I'd talk with my attorney about the bad experience. No, if you were him, he be kicked off Ebay for selling pictures of yourself sucking dick. Good luck; you'll need it.; Please Stephany, Keep it clean at least. Also note I was not able to verify any of Sam's story. You see the letter from Ebay does not appear valid. ( The original complaint is not there ). It does not seem like one of the in fights ongoing inside Ebay. What is your problem? The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address. I was temporarily kicked off eBay at the same time and my bids were cancelled. What more proof do you need? Wbo initiated it? I still have no idea. If someone hijacked the eBay system and somehow forged the headers both inside eBay and to the external email address, sure I guess that's possible. But they also had to cancel the auctions and suspend my ID. So, what do you think happened? Or is it simply you don't believe anything I've said? That I can't help you with. --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header above is ignored unless my full name AND either lasers or electronics is included in the subject line. Or, you can contact me via the Feedback Form in the FAQs. |
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On Jun 27, 4:07*pm, Sam Goldwasser wrote:
"Timelord" -4vc-this writes: "Stephany Alexander" wrote in message .... On Jun 6, 8:54 pm, Don Bowey wrote: On 6/6/08 7:40 PM, in article , "Sam Goldwasser" wrote: I have been a member in good standing with eBay since 1999. As readers of Sam's Laser FAQ are probably aware, I have acquired a large number of lasers and related items on eBay, most at bargain basement prices. All in all I have been very satisfied with the eBay experience. Until now. For a blow-by-blow saga of what I'm experiencing now, please go to http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/ebayhorror1.htm I will be updating this as it plays out. I expect the outcome to be satisfactory, but the route it's taking is like one of those nightmares where you're trapped on a 15 dimensional mobius strip. Comments welcome! I've not had a problem of that kind with the idiots, but I have attempted to do a problem resolution with them and find them useless droids. To minimize contact with them I even quit using Paypal, as they wanted too much personal information such as checking account, etc. I don't trust them and never will. Were I you, I'd talk with my attorney about the bad experience. No, if you were him, he be kicked off Ebay for selling pictures of yourself sucking dick. Good luck; you'll need it.; Please Stephany, * Keep it clean at least. Also note I was not able to verify any of Sam's story. You see the *letter from Ebay does not appear valid. ( The original complaint is not there ). It does not seem like one of the in fights ongoing inside Ebay. What is your problem? * What is his problem? He wants to suck your dick. The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address. *I was temporarily kicked off eBay at the same time and my bids were cancelled. *What more proof do you need? *Wbo initiated it? *I still have no idea. If someone hijacked the eBay system and somehow forged the headers both inside eBay and to the external email address, sure I guess that's possible. But they also had to cancel the auctions and suspend my ID. So, what do you think happened? Or is it simply you don't believe anything I've said? *That I can't help you with. * --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ:http://www.repairfaq.org/ *Repair | Main Table of Contents:http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ:http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm * * * * | Mirror Sites:http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header above is ignored unless my full name AND either lasers or electronics is included in the subject line. *Or, you can contact me via the Feedback Form in the FAQs..- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Jun 27, 8:58*am, "Timelord" -4vc-
this wrote: "Stephany Alexander" wrote in message ... On Jun 6, 8:54 pm, Don Bowey wrote: On 6/6/08 7:40 PM, in article , "Sam Goldwasser" wrote: I have been a member in good standing with eBay since 1999. As readers of Sam's Laser FAQ are probably aware, I have acquired a large number of lasers and related items on eBay, most at bargain basement prices. All in all I have been very satisfied with the eBay experience. Until now. For a blow-by-blow saga of what I'm experiencing now, please go to http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/ebayhorror1.htm I will be updating this as it plays out. I expect the outcome to be satisfactory, but the route it's taking is like one of those nightmares where you're trapped on a 15 dimensional mobius strip. Comments welcome! I've not had a problem of that kind with the idiots, but I have attempted to do a problem resolution with them and find them useless droids. To minimize contact with them I even quit using Paypal, as they wanted too much personal information such as checking account, etc. I don't trust them and never will. Were I you, I'd talk with my attorney about the bad experience. No, if you were him, he be kicked off Ebay for selling pictures of yourself sucking dick. Good luck; you'll need it.; Please Stephany, * Keep it clean at least. Also note I was not able to verify any of Sam's story. **** you. Of course you couldn't verify any of Sam's story because you're too busy day dreaming about sucking him off in the shower. You see the *letter from Ebay does not appear valid. ( The original complaint is not there ). It does not seem like one of the in fights ongoing inside Ebay. -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs --- Synchronet 3.14a-Win32 NewsLink 2.03 Charlie's Place BBS -http://cpbbs.synchro.net:8080- telnet://cpbbs.synchro.net.16:8023 -ftp://cpbbs.synchro.net:8021/00index.html- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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"Sam Goldwasser" wrote in message
... "Timelord" -4vc-this writes: "Stephany Alexander" wrote in message ... On Jun 6, 8:54 pm, Don Bowey wrote: On 6/6/08 7:40 PM, in article , "Sam Goldwasser" wrote: I have been a member in good standing with eBay since 1999. As readers of Sam's Laser FAQ are probably aware, I have acquired a large number of lasers and related items on eBay, most at bargain basement prices. All in all I have been very satisfied with the eBay experience. Until now. For a blow-by-blow saga of what I'm experiencing now, please go to http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/Misc/ebayhorror1.htm I will be updating this as it plays out. I expect the outcome to be satisfactory, but the route it's taking is like one of those nightmares where you're trapped on a 15 dimensional mobius strip. Comments welcome! I've not had a problem of that kind with the idiots, but I have attempted to do a problem resolution with them and find them useless droids. To minimize contact with them I even quit using Paypal, as they wanted too much personal information such as checking account, etc. I don't trust them and never will. Were I you, I'd talk with my attorney about the bad experience. No, if you were him, he be kicked off Ebay for selling pictures of yourself sucking dick. Good luck; you'll need it.; Please Stephany, Keep it clean at least. Also note I was not able to verify any of Sam's story. You see the letter from Ebay does not appear valid. ( The original complaint is not there ). It does not seem like one of the in fights ongoing inside Ebay. What is your problem? The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address. I was temporarily kicked off eBay at the same time and my bids were cancelled. What more proof do you need? Wbo initiated it? I still have no idea. If someone hijacked the eBay system and somehow forged the headers both inside eBay and to the external email address, sure I guess that's possible. But they also had to cancel the auctions and suspend my ID. So, what do you think happened? Or is it simply you don't believe anything I've said? That I can't help you with. Well I warned you not to keep this thread public or keep up the web site. Frankly I have seen over 200 phony Ebay letters and this one looks just like most of them. second you did not forward a copy of the original email ( yes I can ID a fake Ebay route ). As for myself I do no business with them ( to many lies to much infighting ). I have acutely written a program to deal with them... -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs --- Synchronet 3.14a-Win32 NewsLink 2.03 Charlie's Place BBS - http://cpbbs.synchro.net:8080 - telnet://cpbbs.synchro.net.16:8023 - ftp://cpbbs.synchro.net:8021/00index.html |
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Sam Goldwasser wrote: What is your problem? The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address. I was temporarily kicked off eBay at the same time and my bids were cancelled. What more proof do you need? Wbo initiated it? I still have no idea. If someone hijacked the eBay system and somehow forged the headers both inside eBay and to the external email address, sure I guess that's possible. But they also had to cancel the auctions and suspend my ID. So, what do you think happened? Or is it simply you don't believe anything I've said? That I can't help you with. Don't let it bother you; it is just human nature. We judge things by our own experiences. If, say, 90% of ebay customers have no problems and 10% get screwed, those in the 90% naturally tend to dismiss claims by the 10%. Your story is credible and matches the stories told by others in similar situations. |
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Sam Goldwasser writes:
"Timelord" -4vc-this writes: What is your problem? The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address. I was temporarily kicked off eBay at the same time and my bids were cancelled. What more proof do you need? Wbo initiated it? I still have no idea. Sam, just remember there are always a few who can't be swayed by fact and logic. If not, there'd be no Flat Earth Society. I'm glad you have escaped eBayHell relatively uninjuried... -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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"me" wrote in message
... Sam Goldwasser wrote: What is your problem? The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address. I was temporarily kicked off eBay at the same time and my bids were cancelled. What more proof do you need? Wbo initiated it? I still have no idea. If someone hijacked the eBay system and somehow forged the headers both inside eBay and to the external email address, sure I guess that's possible. But they also had to cancel the auctions and suspend my ID. So, what do you think happened? Or is it simply you don't believe anything I've said? That I can't help you with. Don't let it bother you; it is just human nature. We judge things by our own experiences. If, say, 90% of ebay customers have no problems and 10% get screwed, those in the 90% naturally tend to dismiss claims by the 10%. Your story is credible and matches the stories told by others in similar situations. There you go again sorry no Sam I repeat You did not send the original emails so I cant judge if it is real or not... you really need to reconsider what you are saying -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs --- Synchronet 3.14a-Win32 NewsLink 2.03 Charlie's Place BBS - http://cpbbs.synchro.net:8080 - telnet://cpbbs.synchro.net.16:8023 - ftp://cpbbs.synchro.net:8021/00index.html |
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"Timelord" -1008-this wrote: "me" wrote in message Don't let it bother you; it is just human nature. We judge things by our own experiences. If, say, 90% of ebay customers have no problems and 10% get screwed, those in the 90% naturally tend to dismiss claims by the 10%. Your story is credible and matches the stories told by others in similar situations. There you go again sorry no Sam I repeat You did not send the original emails so I cant judge if it is real or not... you really need to reconsider what you are saying No I don't. *You* do. He clearly stated "The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address." Unless he is just a total liar (and if he is you would be stupid to trust any copy of an email he sent you; he could simply edit a legit email from ebay if he is a liar) that proves that your "it was a fake email that fooled you" theory is wrong. It would be refreshing if you were to admit that you were wrong, but this being the Internet I won't hold my breath. |
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wrote in message ... "Timelord" -1008-this wrote: "me" wrote in message Don't let it bother you; it is just human nature. We judge things by our own experiences. If, say, 90% of ebay customers have no problems and 10% get screwed, those in the 90% naturally tend to dismiss claims by the 10%. Your story is credible and matches the stories told by others in similar situations. There you go again sorry no Sam I repeat You did not send the original emails so I cant judge if it is real or not... you really need to reconsider what you are saying No I don't. *You* do. He clearly stated "The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address." Unless he is just a total liar (and if he is you would be stupid to trust any copy of an email he sent you; he could simply edit a legit email from ebay if he is a liar) that proves that your "it was a fake email that fooled you" theory is wrong. It would be refreshing if you were to admit that you were wrong, but this being the Internet I won't hold my breath. Also, anyone who knew Sam's pedigree on here, would be extremely reluctant to believe that he would be deliberately lying over something like this, for whatever unfathomable reasons ... :-( Arfa |
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What is it that ebay did lately if anything that makes some say ``till
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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
... wrote in message ... "Timelord" -1008-this wrote: "me" wrote in message Don't let it bother you; it is just human nature. We judge things by our own experiences. If, say, 90% of ebay customers have no problems and 10% get screwed, those in the 90% naturally tend to dismiss claims by the 10%. Your story is credible and matches the stories told by others in similar situations. There you go again sorry no Sam I repeat You did not send the original emails so I cant judge if it is real or not... you really need to reconsider what you are saying No I don't. *You* do. He clearly stated "The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address." Unless he is just a total liar (and if he is you would be stupid to trust any copy of an email he sent you; he could simply edit a legit email from ebay if he is a liar) that proves that your "it was a fake email that fooled you" theory is wrong. It would be refreshing if you were to admit that you were wrong, but this being the Internet I won't hold my breath. Also, anyone who knew Sam's pedigree on here, would be extremely reluctant to believe that he would be deliberately lying over something like this, for whatever unfathomable reasons ... :-( Arfa Sorry Arfa, This is a conversation that should have stayed in private channels and has nothing to do with his pedigree his original message suggest strongly that it was a phishing message as the format displayed was wrong, Also this kind of message also suggest that it was intended to become the point of reception of a bad virus or worse. But he would not send the original message so I can do nothing to help. ( He ask for my help then refused it when it was offered ) -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs --- Synchronet 3.14a-Win32 NewsLink 2.03 Charlie's Place BBS - http://cpbbs.synchro.net:8080 - telnet://cpbbs.synchro.net.16:8023 - ftp://cpbbs.synchro.net:8021/00index.html |
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"Timelord" wrote in message
... "Arfa Daily" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... "Timelord" -1008-this wrote: "me" wrote in message Don't let it bother you; it is just human nature. We judge things by our own experiences. If, say, 90% of ebay customers have no problems and 10% get screwed, those in the 90% naturally tend to dismiss claims by the 10%. Your story is credible and matches the stories told by others in similar situations. There you go again sorry no Sam I repeat You did not send the original emails so I cant judge if it is real or not... you really need to reconsider what you are saying No I don't. *You* do. He clearly stated "The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address." Unless he is just a total liar (and if he is you would be stupid to trust any copy of an email he sent you; he could simply edit a legit email from ebay if he is a liar) that proves that your "it was a fake email that fooled you" theory is wrong. It would be refreshing if you were to admit that you were wrong, but this being the Internet I won't hold my breath. Also, anyone who knew Sam's pedigree on here, would be extremely reluctant to believe that he would be deliberately lying over something like this, for whatever unfathomable reasons ... :-( Arfa Sorry Arfa, This is a conversation that should have stayed in private channels and has nothing to do with his pedigree his original message suggest strongly that it was a phishing message as the format displayed was wrong, Also this kind of message also suggest that it was intended to become the point of reception of a bad virus or worse. But he would not send the original message so I can do nothing to help. ( He ask for my help then refused it when it was offered ) -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs P.S. BTW I am willing to put Sam's pedigree to the teat but he does not sound willing... --- Synchronet 3.14a-Win32 NewsLink 2.03 Charlie's Place BBS - http://cpbbs.synchro.net:8080 - telnet://cpbbs.synchro.net.16:8023 - ftp://cpbbs.synchro.net:8021/00index.html |
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On Jul 1, 10:21 pm, "Timelord" -8pd-
this wrote: "Timelord" wrote in message ... "Arfa Daily" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... "Timelord" -1008-this wrote: "me" wrote in message Don't let it bother you; it is just human nature. We judge things by our own experiences. If, say, 90% of ebay customers have no problems and 10% get screwed, those in the 90% naturally tend to dismiss claims by the 10%. Your story is credible and matches the stories told by others in similar situations. There you go again sorry no Sam I repeat You did not send the original emails so I cant judge if it is real or not... you really need to reconsider what you are saying No I don't. *You* do. He clearly stated "The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address." Unless he is just a total liar (and if he is you would be stupid to trust any copy of an email he sent you; he could simply edit a legit email from ebay if he is a liar) that proves that your "it was a fake email that fooled you" theory is wrong. It would be refreshing if you were to admit that you were wrong, but this being the Internet I won't hold my breath. Also, anyone who knew Sam's pedigree on here, would be extremely reluctant to believe that he would be deliberately lying over something like this, for whatever unfathomable reasons ... :-( Arfa Sorry Arfa, This is a conversation that should have stayed in private channels and has nothing to do with his pedigree his original message suggest strongly that it was a phishing message as the format displayed was wrong, Also this kind of message also suggest that it was intended to become the point of reception of a bad virus or worse. But he would not send the original message so I can do nothing to help. ( He ask for my help then refused it when it was offered ) -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs P.S. BTW I am willing to put Sam's pedigree to the teat but he does not sound willing... --- Synchronet 3.14a-Win32 NewsLink 2.03 Charlie's Place BBS -http://cpbbs.synchro.net:8080- telnet://cpbbs.synchro.net.16:8023 -ftp://cpbbs.synchro.net:8021/00index.html Timelord - how did you get involved in his Ebay horror story ? I think I missed a few dozen posts somewhere.... Just curious. |
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Timelord wrote:
snip P.S. BTW I am willing to put Sam's pedigree to the teat but he does not sound willing... ^ | | Thanks for the laugh; someone ought to compile a collection of these. Michael |
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"Timelord" -8pd-this wrote in message ... "Timelord" wrote in message ... "Arfa Daily" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... "Timelord" -1008-this wrote: "me" wrote in message Don't let it bother you; it is just human nature. We judge things by our own experiences. If, say, 90% of ebay customers have no problems and 10% get screwed, those in the 90% naturally tend to dismiss claims by the 10%. Your story is credible and matches the stories told by others in similar situations. There you go again sorry no Sam I repeat You did not send the original emails so I cant judge if it is real or not... you really need to reconsider what you are saying No I don't. *You* do. He clearly stated "The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address." Unless he is just a total liar (and if he is you would be stupid to trust any copy of an email he sent you; he could simply edit a legit email from ebay if he is a liar) that proves that your "it was a fake email that fooled you" theory is wrong. It would be refreshing if you were to admit that you were wrong, but this being the Internet I won't hold my breath. Also, anyone who knew Sam's pedigree on here, would be extremely reluctant to believe that he would be deliberately lying over something like this, for whatever unfathomable reasons ... :-( Arfa Sorry Arfa, This is a conversation that should have stayed in private channels and has nothing to do with his pedigree his original message suggest strongly that it was a phishing message as the format displayed was wrong, Also this kind of message also suggest that it was intended to become the point of reception of a bad virus or worse. But he would not send the original message so I can do nothing to help. ( He ask for my help then refused it when it was offered ) -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs P.S. BTW I am willing to put Sam's pedigree to the teat but he does not sound willing... Well, typo aside, I'm not sure exactly what that means. Sam has posted on Usenet, and spent enough of his own time in what has always appeared to be a selfless manner to me, for him to not need to qualify his pedigree further to you, or any of us. Perhaps it's just time to agree to differ. You think he was duped, and he doesn't. His account is now working again, and everything in the garden is rosy. Not worth falling out over. End of ? Arfa |
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Sam's eBay Horror Story #1
"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
... "Timelord" -8pd-this wrote in message ... "Timelord" wrote in message ... "Arfa Daily" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... "Timelord" -1008-this wrote: "me" wrote in message Don't let it bother you; it is just human nature. We judge things by our own experiences. If, say, 90% of ebay customers have no problems and 10% get screwed, those in the 90% naturally tend to dismiss claims by the 10%. Your story is credible and matches the stories told by others in similar situations. There you go again sorry no Sam I repeat You did not send the original emails so I cant judge if it is real or not... you really need to reconsider what you are saying No I don't. *You* do. He clearly stated "The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address." Unless he is just a total liar (and if he is you would be stupid to trust any copy of an email he sent you; he could simply edit a legit email from ebay if he is a liar) that proves that your "it was a fake email that fooled you" theory is wrong. It would be refreshing if you were to admit that you were wrong, but this being the Internet I won't hold my breath. Also, anyone who knew Sam's pedigree on here, would be extremely reluctant to believe that he would be deliberately lying over something like this, for whatever unfathomable reasons ... :-( Arfa Sorry Arfa, This is a conversation that should have stayed in private channels and has nothing to do with his pedigree his original message suggest strongly that it was a phishing message as the format displayed was wrong, Also this kind of message also suggest that it was intended to become the point of reception of a bad virus or worse. But he would not send the original message so I can do nothing to help. ( He ask for my help then refused it when it was offered ) -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs P.S. BTW I am willing to put Sam's pedigree to the teat but he does not sound willing... Well, typo aside, I'm not sure exactly what that means. Sam has posted on Usenet, and spent enough of his own time in what has always appeared to be a selfless manner to me, for him to not need to qualify his pedigree further to you, or any of us. Perhaps it's just time to agree to differ. You think he was duped, and he doesn't. His account is now working again, and everything in the garden is rosy. Not worth falling out over. End of ? Arfa I have decided to answer all of those posts at once, First I am in this thread because I was asked ( Sam called for public help ) second No I am not being rude ( Thank you ). Third In order to do any good Sam would have to send the original email to me. Fourth Frankly I have given up trying, To me it looks like Sam does not want the help! Well Sam,Me, Whoever you are today... -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs --- Synchronet 3.14a-Win32 NewsLink 2.03 Charlie's Place BBS - http://cpbbs.synchro.net:8080 - telnet://cpbbs.synchro.net.16:8023 - ftp://cpbbs.synchro.net:8021/00index.html |
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Sam's eBay Horror Story #1
Timelord wrote: Third In order to do any good Sam would have to send the original email to me. What part of "He clearly stated 'The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address.' Unless he is just a total liar (and if he is you would be stupid to trust any copy of any email he sent you; he could simply edit a legit email from ebay if he is a liar) that proves that your 'it was a fake email that fooled you' theory is wrong." are you having trouble understanding? |
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... Timelord wrote: Third In order to do any good Sam would have to send the original email to me. What part of "He clearly stated 'The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address.' Unless he is just a total liar (and if he is you would be stupid to trust any copy of any email he sent you; he could simply edit a legit email from ebay if he is a liar) that proves that your 'it was a fake email that fooled you' theory is wrong." are you having trouble understanding? Hi Sam, As I said before The only thing that would any good was to forward the entire email with all headdress. For tracing Your original email suggest strongly an invasion type phashing email And that is all I can say without seeing the original email -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs --- Synchronet 3.14a-Win32 NewsLink 2.03 Charlie's Place BBS - http://cpbbs.synchro.net:8080 - telnet://cpbbs.synchro.net.16:8023 - ftp://cpbbs.synchro.net:8021/00index.html |
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Sam's eBay Horror Story #1
Timelord wrote: As I said before The only thing that would any good was to forward the entire email with all headdress. For tracing Your original email suggest strongly an invasion type phashing email And that is all I can say without seeing the original email So you are saying that Sam is too stupid to read the headers and check the IP address? You need a glass belly button, and a new tinfoil hat. -- http://improve-usenet.org/index.html If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm Sporadic E is the Earth's aluminum foil beanie for the 'global warming' sheep. |
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Sam's eBay Horror Story #1
David Lesher wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" writes: I will be updating this as it plays out. I expect the outcome to be satisfactory, but the route it's taking is like one of those nightmares where you're trapped on a 15 dimensional mobius strip. Just be happy that you aren't trapped in a Klein bottle! From http://kleinbottle.com perhaps? Cute! ;-) -- http://improve-usenet.org/index.html If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm Sporadic E is the Earth's aluminum foil beanie for the 'global warming' sheep. |
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Sam's eBay Horror Story #1
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
... Timelord wrote: As I said before The only thing that would any good was to forward the entire email with all headdress. For tracing Your original email suggest strongly an invasion type phashing email And that is all I can say without seeing the original email So you are saying that Sam is too stupid to read the headers and check the IP address? You need a glass belly button, and a new tinfoil hat. -- http://improve-usenet.org/index.html If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm Sporadic E is the Earth's aluminum foil beanie for the 'global warming' sheep. Michael, You really need to stay out of this conversation altogether... leave this one to same and I! -- Thanks, Timelord Charlie's Place BBS, Newsgroups - Games - Files - Gifs --- Synchronet 3.14a-Win32 NewsLink 2.03 Charlie's Place BBS - http://cpbbs.synchro.net:8080 - telnet://cpbbs.synchro.net.16:8023 - ftp://cpbbs.synchro.net:8021/00index.html |
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Sam's eBay Horror Story #1
Timelord wrote: "me" wrote... Timelord wrote: Third In order to do any good Sam would have to send the original email to me. What part of "He clearly stated 'The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address.' Unless he is just a total liar (and if he is you would be stupid to trust any copy of any email he sent you; he could simply edit a legit email from ebay if he is a liar) this proves that your 'it was a fake email that fooled you' theory is wrong." are you having trouble understanding? Hi Sam, Who is sam? As I said before The only thing that would any good was to forward the entire email with all headdress. What part of "He clearly stated 'The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address.' Unless he is just a total liar (and if he is you would be stupid to trust any copy of any email he sent you; he could simply edit a legit email from ebay if he is a liar) this proves that your 'it was a fake email that fooled you' theory is wrong." are you having trouble understanding? For tracing Your original email suggest strongly an invasion type phashing email And that is all I can say without seeing the original email What part of "He clearly stated 'The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address.' Unless he is just a total liar (and if he is you would be stupid to trust any copy of any email he sent you; he could simply edit a legit email from ebay if he is a liar) this proves that your 'it was a fake email that fooled you' theory is wrong." are you having trouble understanding? Moron. |
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Sam's eBay Horror Story #1
"me" wrote in message
... Timelord wrote: "me" wrote... Timelord wrote: Third In order to do any good Sam would have to send the original email to me. What part of "He clearly stated 'The letter came via the ebay internal mail system as well as to my email address.' Unless he is just a total liar (and if he is you would be stupid to trust any copy of any email he sent you; he could simply edit a legit email from ebay if he is a liar) this proves that your 'it was a fake email that fooled you' theory is wrong." are you having trouble understanding? Hi Sam, Moron. Unfortunately for you I do understand quite well ( I write Internet security programs in my spare time ) This is the third time I have heard this story. In the previous 2 both were Phishing emails sent by Sync-Spoof process. and it takes a very good eye to tell. It has bin my experience that Ebay will not admit that things like go on anywhere in the world. How ever this particular spoof is call the Russian Ebay Con Job. And you have sent me no information to the contrary. Thus the conversation must end. I can find no reason to continue this.It is very unreasonable sort of thing... Goodbye --- Synchronet 3.14a-Win32 NewsLink 2.03 Charlie's Place BBS - http://cpbbs.synchro.net:8080 - telnet://cpbbs.synchro.net.16:8023 - ftp://cpbbs.synchro.net:8021/00index.html |
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