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Weller WHS
Everywhere I have worked over the years has used Weller soldering
irons. I recently went to buy a new one and saw there was a "new" range, the WHS models. They look neat and cost a bit less. And they are RUBBISH. Just plain simple trashy, not what you would expect from Weller. I hope somebody at Weller get's shot for putting these on the market, and they go back to making first rate products! |
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Roger wrote:
Everywhere I have worked over the years has used Weller soldering irons. I recently went to buy a new one and saw there was a "new" range, the WHS models. They look neat and cost a bit less. And they are RUBBISH. Just plain simple trashy, not what you would expect from Weller. I hope somebody at Weller get's shot for putting these on the market, and they go back to making first rate products! Roger, Are you sure that is was not someone's knockoff with a similar spelling like 'Weler' or 'Wellar'? I went to the Weller web site and could not find anything on WHS. Regards, Tim |
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In article , wrote: Roger wrote: Everywhere I have worked over the years has used Weller soldering irons. I recently went to buy a new one and saw there was a "new" range, the WHS models. They look neat and cost a bit less. And they are RUBBISH. Just plain simple trashy, not what you would expect from Weller. I hope somebody at Weller get's shot for putting these on the market, and they go back to making first rate products! Roger, Are you sure that is was not someone's knockoff with a similar spelling like 'Weler' or 'Wellar'? I went to the Weller web site and could not find anything on WHS. Regards, Tim Probably slow at updating the website. I have used stations over the years, but after using the one at work, all the other irons feel like holding a baseball bat to solder. A nice thin iron is much better, and that one is also the most powerfull iron I have used for electronic soldering. I may just buy an iron and make another simple temperature controller for it. Its like this.... http://www.cooperhandtools.com/brand...upc=0371032255 http://www.cooperhandtools.com/brand...c=037103225511 |
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"Roger" wrote in message oups.com... Everywhere I have worked over the years has used Weller soldering irons. I recently went to buy a new one and saw there was a "new" range, the WHS models. They look neat and cost a bit less. And they are RUBBISH. Just plain simple trashy, not what you would expect from Weller. I hope somebody at Weller get's shot for putting these on the market, and they go back to making first rate products! See if they show made in China. If so junk. |
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"Roger" wrote in message
oups.com... Everywhere I have worked over the years has used Weller soldering irons. I recently went to buy a new one and saw there was a "new" range, the WHS models. They look neat and cost a bit less. And they are RUBBISH. Just plain simple trashy, not what you would expect from Weller. I hope somebody at Weller get's shot for putting these on the market, and they go back to making first rate products! Look on teh bottom. Was this the Weller European design group? Look for EU or Gbmh gb |
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"Roger" wrote in message
oups.com... Everywhere I have worked over the years has used Weller soldering irons. I recently went to buy a new one and saw there was a "new" range, the WHS models. They look neat and cost a bit less. And they are RUBBISH. Just plain simple trashy, not what you would expect from Weller. I hope somebody at Weller get's shot for putting these on the market, and they go back to making first rate products! All soldering manufacturers are having issues due to Chinese exports. Hakko (Japan) has at least 4 different knock-offs/cones (Auoye, Madell, Quakko, etc). They MAY look the same -- but feedback due to poor quality has been negative from many circles. http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showth...t=85254&page=3 Sorny Roong Industrial Co., Ltd. (SOLOMON) in Taiwan is a large OEM exporter for private brands by Elenco, Tenma, CSI, etc. Negative is that you can no buy replacement heaters in US, only the irons! http://www.soldering.com.tw/cgi-bin/...profile_lst.pl Weller "TCP" series still solid station (easy to repair, most reliable temperature controlled station since 1966) -- and I have been fixing them for 35 years -- need parts? The Weller moved to Mexico; did the RoHS required retooling and introduced new models (and discontinued EC series from 2002 -2004. At the same time. parent company Cooper Tools (Houston) was considering to sell Weller and some other brands to Fluke (they did not come to agreement). In past 12 to 18 months -- Weller seems a bit more focused on business (less distractions). gb |
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Roger wrote:
Everywhere I have worked over the years has used Weller soldering irons. I recently went to buy a new one and saw there was a "new" range, the WHS models. They look neat and cost a bit less. And they are RUBBISH. Just plain simple trashy, not what you would expect from Weller. I never liked Weller. Never could get a tip to last a week. On the other hand, I have a Hexacon I bought in the seventies and it's on its third tip. I'm starting to look for replacements, as I don't expect this one to last out the decade and may need a fourth by 2011. -- One meter, to within 0.0125% accuracy (off by just under .005 inches): Three feet Three inches Three eights of an inch |
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oups.com... Everywhere I have worked over the years has used Weller soldering irons. I recently went to buy a new one and saw there was a "new" range, the WHS models. They look neat and cost a bit less. And they are RUBBISH. Just plain simple trashy, not what you would expect from Weller. I hope somebody at Weller get's shot for putting these on the market, and they go back to making first rate products! My Weller TCP PU 3D first went into use on a production line Sep 11, 1986 . I bought it at auction ten years later and use it every day since. I have 2 spare elements and 2 spare switches and dozens of tips , so it should last me out. Dropped it once , requiring TLC to the switch but thats the only problem I've had with it. Remember never throw away a tip without removing the magnastat - you can always swap it tu a tip with right profile but wrong temp. I don't leave mine switched on all the working day. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
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Weller WHS
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:52:48 -0500, clifto wrote:
I never liked Weller. Never could get a tip to last a week. It all depends on whether you use genuine Weller tips or not and the solder you use. I have used a WTCP since the 60's and for everyday use a tip would last at least 6mths when using rosin cored activated solder such as Multicore Sav-bit. Those replacement tips from Vanier were never any good imo - even using Sav-bit. |
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Ross Herbert wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:52:48 -0500, clifto wrote: I never liked Weller. Never could get a tip to last a week. It all depends on whether you use genuine Weller tips or not and the solder you use. I have used a WTCP since the 60's and for everyday use a tip would last at least 6mths when using rosin cored activated solder such as Multicore Sav-bit. Those replacement tips from Vanier were never any good imo - even using Sav-bit. One of the many, many problems with the WTCP is their uncanny ability to develop faulty temp switches. Then the tips run wide open and burn up in an hour or two. I stopped devoting one or two days per month repairing soldering stations, the day I threw all the Wellers in the dumpster and replaced them with Edsyn. |
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news In article , Ross Herbert wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:52:48 -0500, clifto wrote: I never liked Weller. Never could get a tip to last a week. It all depends on whether you use genuine Weller tips or not and the solder you use. I have used a WTCP since the 60's and for everyday use a tip would last at least 6mths when using rosin cored activated solder such as Multicore Sav-bit. Those replacement tips from Vanier were never any good imo - even using Sav-bit. One of the many, many problems with the WTCP is their uncanny ability to develop faulty temp switches. Then the tips run wide open and burn up in an hour or two. I stopped devoting one or two days per month repairing soldering stations, the day I threw all the Wellers in the dumpster and replaced them with Edsyn. I used to buy Weller TCP at auctions , recondition and sell on, and I only ever came across open circuit switches. Agreed you have to treat them with respect, ie not clouting them against chassis sides or dropping on the floor. Perhaps if the wrong retention barrels (too much iron) or some other mechanical mismatch was causing the switches to close permanently. The thermal element is in the magnastat, losing magnetism at its formulated temperature. Not many people realise that the closure barrel that holds the tips in place is factored into the magnastat operation. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
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news In article , Ross Herbert wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:52:48 -0500, clifto wrote: I never liked Weller. Never could get a tip to last a week. It all depends on whether you use genuine Weller tips or not and the solder you use. I have used a WTCP since the 60's and for everyday use a tip would last at least 6mths when using rosin cored activated solder such as Multicore Sav-bit. Those replacement tips from Vanier were never any good imo - even using Sav-bit. One of the many, many problems with the WTCP is their uncanny ability to develop faulty temp switches. Then the tips run wide open and burn up in an hour or two. I stopped devoting one or two days per month repairing soldering stations, the day I threw all the Wellers in the dumpster and replaced them with Edsyn. One silly add on I was going to try years ago, but as the element never blew , was/wasn't this. A proximity detector in the iron holder and if the iron had not been removed for 5 minutes then cut in a diode to the heater line, cancelled immediately if the iron is picked up. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
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Weller WHS
Ross Herbert wrote:
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:52:48 -0500, clifto wrote: I never liked Weller. Never could get a tip to last a week. It all depends on whether you use genuine Weller tips or not and the solder you use. As of the last time I had to use a Weller, I didn't know anyone else made tips for them. The replacements I was installing came out of Weller shrink packaging. Always had good solder at the places I've worked; for some reason, no one ever cheaped out on solder. -- One meter, to within 0.0125% accuracy (off by just under .005 inches): Three feet Three inches Three eights of an inch |
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clifto wrote:
Ross Herbert wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:52:48 -0500, clifto wrote: I never liked Weller. Never could get a tip to last a week. It all depends on whether you use genuine Weller tips or not and the solder you use. As of the last time I had to use a Weller, I didn't know anyone else made tips for them. The replacements I was installing came out of Weller shrink packaging. http://www.platoproducts.com/crosspa2.htm -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:13:35 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote: In article , Ross Herbert wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:52:48 -0500, clifto wrote: I never liked Weller. Never could get a tip to last a week. It all depends on whether you use genuine Weller tips or not and the solder you use. I have used a WTCP since the 60's and for everyday use a tip would last at least 6mths when using rosin cored activated solder such as Multicore Sav-bit. Those replacement tips from Vanier were never any good imo - even using Sav-bit. One of the many, many problems with the WTCP is their uncanny ability to develop faulty temp switches. Then the tips run wide open and burn up in an hour or two. I stopped devoting one or two days per month repairing soldering stations, the day I threw all the Wellers in the dumpster and replaced them with Edsyn. In all my years of experience with WTCP the ONLY problem which I came across - and not all that frequently - was the switch mechanism. When this happens it is all too easy to determine and do something about it. I have successfully repaired switch units but only where the spring contacts were the problem. Nothing else seems to fail at all on the WTCP. Perhaps it has to do with the country of manufacture? All the WTCP"s I have ever used were manufactured in Australia. |
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:34:08 -0500, clifto wrote:
Ross Herbert wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:52:48 -0500, clifto wrote: I never liked Weller. Never could get a tip to last a week. It all depends on whether you use genuine Weller tips or not and the solder you use. As of the last time I had to use a Weller, I didn't know anyone else made tips for them. The replacements I was installing came out of Weller shrink packaging. Always had good solder at the places I've worked; for some reason, no one ever cheaped out on solder. Vanier tips started appearing here around 1980's if I remember correctly. http://www.vaniersoldertips.com/ I don't think the iron plating they put on them was as thick as the original Weller. |
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Ross Herbert wrote: On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:13:35 -0700, Smitty Two wrote: In article , Ross Herbert wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:52:48 -0500, clifto wrote: I never liked Weller. Never could get a tip to last a week. It all depends on whether you use genuine Weller tips or not and the solder you use. I have used a WTCP since the 60's and for everyday use a tip would last at least 6mths when using rosin cored activated solder such as Multicore Sav-bit. Those replacement tips from Vanier were never any good imo - even using Sav-bit. One of the many, many problems with the WTCP is their uncanny ability to develop faulty temp switches. Then the tips run wide open and burn up in an hour or two. I stopped devoting one or two days per month repairing soldering stations, the day I threw all the Wellers in the dumpster and replaced them with Edsyn. In all my years of experience with WTCP the ONLY problem which I came across - and not all that frequently - was the switch mechanism. When this happens it is all too easy to determine and do something about it. I have successfully repaired switch units but only where the spring contacts were the problem. Nothing else seems to fail at all on the WTCP. Perhaps it has to do with the country of manufacture? All the WTCP"s I have ever used were manufactured in Australia. You may have used them with care. Production soldering personnel tend to be hard on things. The simple act of replacing the iron in its holder resembles a javelin throw, for example. Do that 500 or 1000 times a day, drop the iron or the whole unit on the floor once a day, whack it on the table deliberately to loosen a tip, etc, etc. Then see how often the cords go intermittent, the fuses go out, the heaters burn up, the switches malfunction, etc. Edsyn will stand up to that kind of abuse all day long, every day, and last for years with no attention at all. When they do fail, they send you a brand new one for about half price. YMMV, of course. |
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Smitty Two wrote:
You may have used them with care. Production soldering personnel tend to be hard on things. The simple act of replacing the iron in its holder resembles a javelin throw, for example. Do that 500 or 1000 times a day, drop the iron or the whole unit on the floor once a day, whack it on the table deliberately to loosen a tip, etc, etc. Then see how often the cords go intermittent, the fuses go out, the heaters burn up, the switches malfunction, etc. Edsyn will stand up to that kind of abuse all day long, every day, and last for years with no attention at all. When they do fail, they send you a brand new one for about half price. YMMV, of course. No attention at all? We were required to check the temperature calibration every 90 days. I did it several times, when the ME office was overworked. There were a couple hundred irons, scattered between manufacturing, test, service and engineering. I checked the tip to ground resistance several times a day on the ions I used. I checked one of the older digital bench meters out of our cal lab, and connected one lead to the bench's ground system, and the other lead to a scrap of unetched PC board so that I could pick up an iron and touch the PC board while glancing at the meter. Anything above three ohms required the tip to be removed and cleaned. If that didn't fix the problem, the iron had to be turned in for repair. I spent about 10 minutes every day maintaining my three Edsyn 'Loner' irons. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Smitty Two wrote: You may have used them with care. Production soldering personnel tend to be hard on things. The simple act of replacing the iron in its holder resembles a javelin throw, for example. Do that 500 or 1000 times a day, drop the iron or the whole unit on the floor once a day, whack it on the table deliberately to loosen a tip, etc, etc. Then see how often the cords go intermittent, the fuses go out, the heaters burn up, the switches malfunction, etc. Edsyn will stand up to that kind of abuse all day long, every day, and last for years with no attention at all. When they do fail, they send you a brand new one for about half price. YMMV, of course. No attention at all? We were required to check the temperature calibration every 90 days. I did it several times, when the ME office was overworked. There were a couple hundred irons, scattered between manufacturing, test, service and engineering. I checked the tip to ground resistance several times a day on the ions I used. I checked one of the older digital bench meters out of our cal lab, and connected one lead to the bench's ground system, and the other lead to a scrap of unetched PC board so that I could pick up an iron and touch the PC board while glancing at the meter. Anything above three ohms required the tip to be removed and cleaned. If that didn't fix the problem, the iron had to be turned in for repair. I spent about 10 minutes every day maintaining my three Edsyn 'Loner' irons. Well, if the pencil pushers mandated all that fuss, I'm sorry for you. I don't give a rat's ass about those things, though, just as long as they solder well and reliably, which they do, much better than the Wellers. I don't tell my assemblers what temperature to use or which tip to use or which diameter solder to use for a particular job. The only thing I care about is keeping the lead-free jobs separate. |
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Well, if the pencil pushers mandated all that fuss, I'm sorry for you. I don't give a rat's ass about those things, though, just as long as they solder well and reliably, which they do, much better than the Wellers. Sigh. I don't tell my assemblers what temperature to use or which tip to use or which diameter solder to use for a particular job. The only thing I care about is keeping the lead-free jobs separate. We were building high end telemetry equipment which demanded high standards, not cheap consumer ****. A failed piece of equipment could cost a lot of lives, or require a round trip from space to the factory along with finding room as payload for a return to orbit. Also, would YOU like to be downrange if one of our missile 'command destruct receivers' failed to destroy an out of control missile? -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Smitty Two wrote: Well, if the pencil pushers mandated all that fuss, I'm sorry for you. I don't give a rat's ass about those things, though, just as long as they solder well and reliably, which they do, much better than the Wellers. Sigh. I don't tell my assemblers what temperature to use or which tip to use or which diameter solder to use for a particular job. The only thing I care about is keeping the lead-free jobs separate. We were building high end telemetry equipment which demanded high standards, not cheap consumer ****. A failed piece of equipment could cost a lot of lives, or require a round trip from space to the factory along with finding room as payload for a return to orbit. Also, would YOU like to be downrange if one of our missile 'command destruct receivers' failed to destroy an out of control missile? We don't build much consumer stuff, either. If we did, we wouldn't still be using lead solder, would we? I suppose some guy with a corkscrew in his ass will be along sooner or later and ask for temperature calibration records, but I can tell you that that has *nothing,* and I mean not one god damn thing, to do with the quality of our assemblies. People who *know* how to solder don't need someone else telling them whether the iron is too hot or too cold. They know, because they know, simple as that. |
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news I suppose some guy with a corkscrew in his ass will be along sooner or later and ask for temperature calibration records, but I can tell you that that has *nothing,* and I mean not one god damn thing, to do with the quality of our assemblies. People who *know* how to solder don't need someone else telling them whether the iron is too hot or too cold. They know, because they know, simple as that. I admire your optimism, but without enforced standards, what guarantee do you have that your technicians will "do the right thing" consistently? |
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: "Smitty Two" wrote in message news I suppose some guy with a corkscrew in his ass will be along sooner or later and ask for temperature calibration records, but I can tell you that that has *nothing,* and I mean not one god damn thing, to do with the quality of our assemblies. People who *know* how to solder don't need someone else telling them whether the iron is too hot or too cold. They know, because they know, simple as that. I admire your optimism, but without enforced standards, what guarantee do you have that your technicians will "do the right thing" consistently? It is almost always cheaper to build in quality from the start than to inspect it in but both choices are available. You can use the inspection to rate the employees work and base their pay on the quality of their work. That make it in their interest to do the job right AND to make sure their equipment works well. -- bz 73 de N5BZ k please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an infinite set. remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote: "Smitty Two" wrote in message news I suppose some guy with a corkscrew in his ass will be along sooner or later and ask for temperature calibration records, but I can tell you that that has *nothing,* and I mean not one god damn thing, to do with the quality of our assemblies. People who *know* how to solder don't need someone else telling them whether the iron is too hot or too cold. They know, because they know, simple as that. I admire your optimism, but without enforced standards, what guarantee do you have that your technicians will "do the right thing" consistently? There's no incentive not to. The assemblers are expected to produce excellent solder joints at a competitive rate of production. The way to do that is to select an appropriate tip, solder, and temperature (not to mention magnification level) for the task at hand. Why would they choose an option that would make their job more difficult and frustrating, and produce lower quality work? |
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We don't build much consumer stuff, either. If we did, we wouldn't still be using lead solder, would we? I suppose some guy with a corkscrew in his ass will be along sooner or later and ask for temperature calibration records, but I can tell you that that has *nothing,* and I mean not one god damn thing, to do with the quality of our assemblies. People who *know* how to solder don't need someone else telling them whether the iron is too hot or too cold. They know, because they know, simple as that. Whatever. We tried to remove any failing tools from the production floor before they caused problems. I don't really care how you do things at your place. Several customers were US government agencies, and THEY required the testing, and a proper logbook, along with ISO 9001 certification and quarterly inspections. They were paying $20,000 to $80,000 USD per custom built unit, so they had the right to set the standards. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Smitty Two wrote: We don't build much consumer stuff, either. If we did, we wouldn't still be using lead solder, would we? I suppose some guy with a corkscrew in his ass will be along sooner or later and ask for temperature calibration records, but I can tell you that that has *nothing,* and I mean not one god damn thing, to do with the quality of our assemblies. People who *know* how to solder don't need someone else telling them whether the iron is too hot or too cold. They know, because they know, simple as that. Whatever. We tried to remove any failing tools from the production floor before they caused problems. I don't really care how you do things at your place. Several customers were US government agencies, and THEY required the testing, and a proper logbook, along with ISO 9001 certification and quarterly inspections. They were paying $20,000 to $80,000 USD per custom built unit, so they had the right to set the standards. Gosh. I don't recall saying that we use failing tools. Why would we do that? You must be running low on bragging rights if you're stooping to boasting about the importance of the asses you had to lick. Were you pompous and moody before you were wounded, Michael, or was that the result of your bitterness at a corrupt government who used you as a disposable pawn in its perverted quest for global conquest? |
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Smitty Two wrote:
In article , "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Smitty Two wrote: We don't build much consumer stuff, either. If we did, we wouldn't still be using lead solder, would we? I suppose some guy with a corkscrew in his ass will be along sooner or later and ask for temperature calibration records, but I can tell you that that has *nothing,* and I mean not one god damn thing, to do with the quality of our assemblies. People who *know* how to solder don't need someone else telling them whether the iron is too hot or too cold. They know, because they know, simple as that. Whatever. We tried to remove any failing tools from the production floor before they caused problems. I don't really care how you do things at your place. Several customers were US government agencies, and THEY required the testing, and a proper logbook, along with ISO 9001 certification and quarterly inspections. They were paying $20,000 to $80,000 USD per custom built unit, so they had the right to set the standards. Gosh. I don't recall saying that we use failing tools. Why would we do that? You must be running low on bragging rights if you're stooping to boasting about the importance of the asses you had to lick. Were you pompous and moody before you were wounded, Michael, or was that the result of your bitterness at a corrupt government who used you as a disposable pawn in its perverted quest for global conquest? What are you blathering about now? -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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