Is it necesary to repair lifted traces/pads ?

its actually a pad at the end of a trace to mount a wire/pin
connection to another board (not a hole)

if one does need to repair then how does one ree-glue or repair
a lifted trace/pad ?

thanks for any help,
robb

"robb" wrote in message
...
Is it necesary to repair lifted traces/pads ?

its actually a pad at the end of a trace to mount a wire/pin
connection to another board (not a hole)

if one does need to repair then how does one ree-glue or repair
a lifted trace/pad ?

thanks for any help,
robb




I have used super glue (ca).
Be careful when you solder over it, the fumes are nasty.

Tom

On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:36:58 -0400, "Tom Biasi"
wrote:


"robb" wrote in message
...
Is it necesary to repair lifted traces/pads ?

its actually a pad at the end of a trace to mount a wire/pin
connection to another board (not a hole)

if one does need to repair then how does one ree-glue or repair
a lifted trace/pad ?

thanks for any help,
robb




I have used super glue (ca).
Be careful when you solder over it, the fumes are nasty.

---
Yeah...

_Cyano_ acrylate


--
JF

"Tom Biasi" wrote in message
...

"robb" wrote in message
...
Is it necesary to repair lifted traces/pads ?

its actually a pad at the end of a trace to mount a wire/pin
connection to another board (not a hole)

if one does need to repair then how does one ree-glue or repair
a lifted trace/pad ?

thanks for any help,
robb




I have used super glue (ca).
Be careful when you solder over it, the fumes are nasty.

Tom


Superglue is relatively nontoxic, it's been used to close wounds, but the
fumes sure do sting.

If the pad is badly lifted I often just use a scrap of resistor lead or wire
wrap wire to jumper the component lead to good trace further up.

robb wrote:

Is it necesary to repair lifted traces/pads ?

its actually a pad at the end of a trace to mount a wire/pin
connection to another board (not a hole)

if one does need to repair then how does one ree-glue or repair
a lifted trace/pad ?

thanks for any help,
robb



I get soldered coated adhesive patch strips..
I haven't got any in a while, Radio Shaft use to
sell them.


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"Tom Biasi" writes:

"robb" wrote in message
...
Is it necesary to repair lifted traces/pads ?

its actually a pad at the end of a trace to mount a wire/pin
connection to another board (not a hole)

if one does need to repair then how does one ree-glue or repair
a lifted trace/pad ?

thanks for any help,
robb

I have used super glue (ca).
Be careful when you solder over it, the fumes are nasty.

It's nice to glue the pad back down but more important to make sure
the connection to the trace is secure. Having lifted, it may be
weakened and ready to break off.

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I agree with the former poster that it's better to solder the lead to the
remaining trace. I've done that on several boards, and it's caused no
problems.

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"Tom Biasi" wrote in message
...

"robb" wrote in message
...
Is it necesary to repair lifted traces/pads ?

its actually a pad at the end of a trace to mount a wire/pin
connection to another board (not a hole)

if one does need to repair then how does one ree-glue or repair
a lifted trace/pad ?

thanks for any help,
robb




I have used super glue (ca).
Be careful when you solder over it, the fumes are nasty.

Tom


Superglue is relatively nontoxic, it's been used to close wounds, but the
fumes sure do sting.

If the pad is badly lifted I often just use a scrap of resistor lead or
wire wrap wire to jumper the component lead to good trace further up.
Agreed. One of the boards that I work regularly on, were previously repaired
by an agent whose only soldering equipment appeared to be a gas poker and
some plumber's solder. Many of his previous 'repairs', when they show up
again here, have lifted tracks and pads that just fall away as soon as you
try to remove the bad component that connects to them. I just use the long
leg on the new resistor or whatever to connect back to the nearest undamaged
point - either tracking that's still in place and can be scraped back and
soldered to, or the next genuine solder point up the track.

If a pad is still in place, just 'flapping free' of the board, it can often
be re-attached just by heating and pressing. The original glue will remelt
and stick it enough to work with. I try to avoid superglue as it fumes badly
when heated and is a killer if you get it in your eyes. Remember that
forensic scientists use its fuming and recondensing properties to highlight
otherwise invisible fingerprints ...

Arfa

"Tom Biasi" wrote in message
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"robb" wrote in message
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Is it necesary to repair lifted traces/pads ?


I have used super glue (ca).
Be careful when you solder over it, the fumes are nasty.


Thanks Tom,
component was allready soldered to pad but pad had lifted (too
much heat ?)

so i used the super glue and small spring clamp to press it tight
to board ... worked great.

mabe i should paint a small skull and cross bones on top or
nextt o pad forfuture reference
robb

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"robb" wrote in message
...
Is it necesary to repair lifted traces/pads ?


Superglue is relatively nontoxic, it's been used to close
wounds, but the
fumes sure do sting.

If the pad is badly lifted I often just use a scrap of resistor
lead or wire
wrap wire to jumper the component lead to good trace further
up.


Thanks for reply,

the pad lifted after soldering the connection, so i wanted to
stabilize the pad in case i was too rough or so it would not
lean over onto some other trace.

thanks for ideas,
robb

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

If a pad is still in place, just 'flapping free' of the board,
it can often
be re-attached just by heating and pressing. The original glue
will remelt
and stick it enough to work with. I try to avoid superglue as
it fumes badly
when heated and is a killer if you get it in your eyes.

thanks Arfa,

that was exactly the situation... flapping around
i tried the super glue before i read your post though

in this case the reheat may not have worked as the under side of
pad became contaminated with rosin flux which i flushed before
super gling

thanks for ideas,
robb

robb wrote:

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

If a pad is still in place, just 'flapping free' of the board,

it can often

be re-attached just by heating and pressing. The original glue

will remelt

and stick it enough to work with. I try to avoid superglue as

it fumes badly

when heated and is a killer if you get it in your eyes.


thanks Arfa,

that was exactly the situation... flapping around
i tried the super glue before i read your post though

in this case the reheat may not have worked as the under side of
pad became contaminated with rosin flux which i flushed before
super gling

thanks for ideas,
robb


Loctite 404.. or Plumbers PVC glue.

At the shop, we have some leftover 2 part mix
glue that is now outlawed. You have to wear a
face shield when applying in a very opened or
ventilated area. You place one compound on
one piece while you place the other compound on the
other piece to be joined. Nothing takes place until
you actually join them. You have to be rather quick
in getting them into position correctly. It gives off
a mist that is very toxic. This is for industrial use
only and requires a on sight permit to use it.

Now we can't get any more, but still have a rather good
supply of it. When you need to do things like bonding
Nylon, Teflon etc. that is what we use.






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"robb" wrote in
:


"James Sweet" wrote in message
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"robb" wrote in message
...
Is it necesary to repair lifted traces/pads ?


Superglue is relatively nontoxic, it's been used to close
wounds, but the
fumes sure do sting.

If the pad is badly lifted I often just use a scrap of resistor
lead or wire
wrap wire to jumper the component lead to good trace further
up.


Thanks for reply,

the pad lifted after soldering the connection, so i wanted to
stabilize the pad in case i was too rough or so it would not
lean over onto some other trace.

thanks for ideas,
robb




IMO,the only sure way for pad repair is to set an eyelet.
You get mechanical security that way,and can replace the component again if
necessary without further damage.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jamie t wrote in
:

robb wrote:

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

If a pad is still in place, just 'flapping free' of the board,

it can often

be re-attached just by heating and pressing. The original glue

will remelt

and stick it enough to work with. I try to avoid superglue as

it fumes badly

when heated and is a killer if you get it in your eyes.


thanks Arfa,

that was exactly the situation... flapping around
i tried the super glue before i read your post though

in this case the reheat may not have worked as the under side of
pad became contaminated with rosin flux which i flushed before
super gling

thanks for ideas,
robb


Loctite 404.. or Plumbers PVC glue.

At the shop, we have some leftover 2 part mix
glue that is now outlawed. You have to wear a
face shield when applying in a very opened or
ventilated area. You place one compound on
one piece while you place the other compound on the
other piece to be joined. Nothing takes place until
you actually join them. You have to be rather quick
in getting them into position correctly. It gives off
a mist that is very toxic. This is for industrial use
only and requires a on sight permit to use it.

Now we can't get any more, but still have a rather good
supply of it. When you need to do things like bonding
Nylon, Teflon etc. that is what we use.


Why is it "outlawed"?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
...
Jamie t wrote in
:

robb wrote:

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

If a pad is still in place, just 'flapping free' of the board,

it can often

be re-attached just by heating and pressing. The original glue

will remelt

and stick it enough to work with. I try to avoid superglue as

it fumes badly

when heated and is a killer if you get it in your eyes.


thanks Arfa,

that was exactly the situation... flapping around
i tried the super glue before i read your post though

in this case the reheat may not have worked as the under side of
pad became contaminated with rosin flux which i flushed before
super gling

thanks for ideas,
robb


Loctite 404.. or Plumbers PVC glue.

At the shop, we have some leftover 2 part mix
glue that is now outlawed. You have to wear a
face shield when applying in a very opened or
ventilated area. You place one compound on
one piece while you place the other compound on the
other piece to be joined. Nothing takes place until
you actually join them. You have to be rather quick
in getting them into position correctly. It gives off
a mist that is very toxic. This is for industrial use
only and requires a on sight permit to use it.

Now we can't get any more, but still have a rather good
supply of it. When you need to do things like bonding
Nylon, Teflon etc. that is what we use.


Why is it "outlawed"?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Or another question.. What is it?

At the shop, we have some leftover 2 part mix
glue that is now outlawed. You have to wear a
face shield when applying in a very opened or
ventilated area. You place one compound on
one piece while you place the other compound on the
other piece to be joined. Nothing takes place until
you actually join them. You have to be rather quick
in getting them into position correctly. It gives off
a mist that is very toxic. This is for industrial use
only and requires a on sight [sic!] permit to use it.

Or another question... What is it?

It sounds as if it's a two-part spray-on adhesive. There are non-spray
adhesives of this type, as well as single-component spray adhesives. I'm
curious as to what it is, and why it requires an "on-sight" permit. It's
hard to believe that a company would manufacture a "highly toxic" spray
adhesive.

In sci.electronics.repair Arfa Daily wrote:
I just use the long leg on the new resistor or whatever to connect back to
the nearest undamaged point - either tracking that's still in place and
can be scraped back and soldered to, or the next genuine solder point up
the track.

On SMD boards I've used little slivers of RF shielding tape to make new
tracks. It's copper tape with adhesive on one side, you can choose whether
the adhesive is conductive or not. The adhesive is just enough to keep the
pad in place, and probably enough if the component isn't too big. You can
then solder it straight onto the component and an existing track (flux helps
here). The biggest difficulty is avoiding surface tension holding it to the
soldering iron and coming away when you remove the iron. (Using lead-based
solder tends to help here).

Theo

"Jamie" t wrote in message
...
Theo Markettos wrote:

In sci.electronics.repair Arfa Daily wrote:

I just use the long leg on the new resistor or whatever to connect back
to
the nearest undamaged point - either tracking that's still in place and
can be scraped back and soldered to, or the next genuine solder point up
the track.


On SMD boards I've used little slivers of RF shielding tape to make new
tracks. It's copper tape with adhesive on one side, you can choose
whether
the adhesive is conductive or not. The adhesive is just enough to keep
the
pad in place, and probably enough if the component isn't too big. You
can
then solder it straight onto the component and an existing track (flux
helps
here). The biggest difficulty is avoiding surface tension holding it to
the
soldering iron and coming away when you remove the iron. (Using
lead-based
solder tends to help here).

Theo


snip

I keep a small piece in my drawers when I need to repair a
board.

snip

You don't know how funny that sounds in England ... !! :-)

Arfa

Theo Markettos wrote:

In sci.electronics.repair Arfa Daily wrote:

I just use the long leg on the new resistor or whatever to connect back to
the nearest undamaged point - either tracking that's still in place and
can be scraped back and soldered to, or the next genuine solder point up
the track.


On SMD boards I've used little slivers of RF shielding tape to make new
tracks. It's copper tape with adhesive on one side, you can choose whether
the adhesive is conductive or not. The adhesive is just enough to keep the
pad in place, and probably enough if the component isn't too big. You can
then solder it straight onto the component and an existing track (flux helps
here). The biggest difficulty is avoiding surface tension holding it to the
soldering iron and coming away when you remove the iron. (Using lead-based
solder tends to help here).

Theo

At work, some of the products that get manufactured there uses a copper
tape with an adhesive backing that requires heating prior to be laid on
the surface. I keep a small piece in my drawers when I need to repair a
board. I just cut, press and hold with the soldering iron.

It's a high temperature glue that is inductive heated at process time
while it's being wrapped around a cable core.

The inductive heater and controls was one of my projects and the
mechanical was done by the other skilled personal.

The whole project was credited to a process engineer that did nothing
but probe all us for idea's and had us implement it.

And when it's time to go home for the day, they don't know you
any better than the day of your hire.

That's gratifying to say the least.





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In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:


I keep a small piece in my drawers when I need to repair a
board.

snip

You don't know how funny that sounds in England ... !! :-)

Arfa

Sounds funny here too - although the reference is archaic it's not one
that goes unnoticed. Poster's remarks were rife with other structure,
grammar and punctuation errors.

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:


I keep a small piece in my drawers when I need to repair a
board.

snip

You don't know how funny that sounds in England ... !! :-)

Arfa

Sounds funny here too - although the reference is archaic it's not one
that goes unnoticed. Poster's remarks were rife with other structure,
grammar and punctuation errors.

There's some interesting linguisic things coming up this week ! I didn't
realise that you used the word "drawers" to mean anything other than its
basic over there, or that the American sense of humour made use of inuendo
or double entendre. Watching American comedy shows over here, and having
visited many times, I'd always thought that your humour was pretty
straightforward. Learn something new every day ! Did you see the reply to
your question about "going down a storm" ?

Arfa

In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:


I keep a small piece in my drawers when I need to repair a
board.

snip

You don't know how funny that sounds in England ... !! :-)

Arfa

Sounds funny here too - although the reference is archaic it's not one
that goes unnoticed. Poster's remarks were rife with other structure,
grammar and punctuation errors.

There's some interesting linguisic things coming up this week ! I didn't
realise that you used the word "drawers" to mean anything other than its
basic over there, or that the American sense of humour made use of inuendo
or double entendre. Watching American comedy shows over here, and having
visited many times, I'd always thought that your humour was pretty
straightforward. Learn something new every day ! Did you see the reply to
your question about "going down a storm" ?

Arfa

99% of American TV shows are dumbed down to about the third-grade toilet
humor level. Pathetic. Innuendo, double entendre are still very much
alive amongst the few people here who are still intelligent enough to
understand subtlety and sophisticated humor. Mine tends to the bone dry
side and I often get blank stares from people. Seems if you're not
laughing at your own joke, others are too stupid to figure out that it
*is* a joke. I think I often offend people on usenet because I refuse to
append the smiley emoticon to my witticisms, and they're too
weak-brained to discern the humor, instead taking offense.

I'll be getting to the other topic presently.

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:


I keep a small piece in my drawers when I need to repair a
board.

snip

You don't know how funny that sounds in England ... !! :-)

Arfa

Sounds funny here too - although the reference is archaic it's not one
that goes unnoticed. Poster's remarks were rife with other structure,
grammar and punctuation errors.

There's some interesting linguisic things coming up this week ! I didn't
realise that you used the word "drawers" to mean anything other than its
basic over there, or that the American sense of humour made use of
inuendo
or double entendre. Watching American comedy shows over here, and having
visited many times, I'd always thought that your humour was pretty
straightforward. Learn something new every day ! Did you see the reply to
your question about "going down a storm" ?

Arfa

99% of American TV shows are dumbed down to about the third-grade toilet
humor level. Pathetic. Innuendo, double entendre are still very much
alive amongst the few people here who are still intelligent enough to
understand subtlety and sophisticated humor. Mine tends to the bone dry
side and I often get blank stares from people. Seems if you're not
laughing at your own joke, others are too stupid to figure out that it
*is* a joke. I think I often offend people on usenet because I refuse to
append the smiley emoticon to my witticisms, and they're too
weak-brained to discern the humor, instead taking offense.

I'll be getting to the other topic presently.

I know what you mean, which is why I usually do put the smiley faces. Many
is the time that I have 'put my foot in it' over in your fair land, when I
have made some straight-faced throw-away comment to a person, only to get a
perfectly blank stare back, instead of a "yeah, yeah" grin that I would have
got here. I can't remember exactly what it was now, but last time we were
over in Florida, my wife made some witty comment to a restaurant server that
was somehow linked to his name, and he gave us a look like he thought we
were being really rude to him. I felt compelled to explain the 'joke' to
him, and when he got it, he was in hysterics, and went away muttering stuff
like "boy that's a good one ...!!" I too like dry humour. Some of your
comedy programmes go down really well here, as I'm sure that some of ours do
over there, but I'm equally sure that many of ours that find their way onto
your screens leave a lot of those blank stares behind ... Come to that, they
probably do here, as well ...

Arfa

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Arfa Daily wrote:

snip

Some of your
comedy programmes go down really well here, as I'm sure that some of ours do
over there...

I sure miss Fawlty Towers; I tried taping the series in one of its 1980's
reairings here (U.S.) on VHS but alas its like watching a blizzard out a
dirty window now. I wonder if there are uncut episodes on DVD?

Do you have any favorite U.S. sitcoms? What do you think of Married with
Children (episodes after 1990 are better) and Two and a Half Men?
I believe there are clearly Brit (or perhaps Continental?) influences in
both of them.

Regards,

Michael

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
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"Arfa Daily" wrote:

"Smitty Two" wrote in message

news
In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:
[trim]

99% of American TV shows are dumbed down to about the
third-grade toilet
humor level. Pathetic. Innuendo, double entendre are still very
much
alive amongst the few people here who are still intelligent
enough to
understand subtlety and sophisticated humor. Mine tends to the
bone dry
side and I often get blank stares from people. Seems if you're
not
laughing at your own joke, others are too stupid to figure out
that it
*is* a joke. I think I often offend people on usenet because I
refuse to
append the smiley emoticon to my witticisms, and they're too
weak-brained to discern the humor, instead taking offense.

I'll be getting to the other topic presently.

don't stop there Smitty2,
almost all American entertainment seems **engineered** and for
what ?
i believe mass market appeal as it is considered a vehicle/means
for selling stuff and making lots of money. Entertainment lost
it's art but every once in a long while some clever entertainment
appears and quickly dies because the few 100s thousands that
watch do not contribute **enough** to the bottom line.

there are plenty of clever people, just too many numbed by the
garbage they let the industry dump into there brains. maybe the
entertainment industry will be the next to fall like the **big
tobacco**. Scientists prove that poor entertainment does reduce
your IQ and dull your wit. Of course there is no law against
dumbing people down but i am sure some class action lawyer is
working on it.

robb

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Arfa Daily wrote:

snip

Some of your comedy programmes go down really well here, as I'm sure that
some of ours do over there...

I sure miss Fawlty Towers; I tried taping the series in one of its 1980's
reairings here (U.S.) on VHS but alas its like watching a blizzard out a
dirty window now. I wonder if there are uncut episodes on DVD?

Do you have any favorite U.S. sitcoms? What do you think of Married with
Children (episodes after 1990 are better) and Two and a Half Men?
I believe there are clearly Brit (or perhaps Continental?) influences in
both of them.

Regards,

Michael

I used to love "Married with Children". I don't know the other one. Another
that I used to really like was "Soap" and also "Cheers". Currently, I like
"Scrubs". I think that it is an intelligent blend of humour and serious
message conveyed by humour. Everthing in the first half of the show is
straight comedy, but with a theme leading to the second half, which often
has an underlying sadness. I think a lot of why that show works is the
faultless casting. "Friends" worked for the same reason. Did you ever get to
see the originals of "The Office" with Ricky Gervaise, before it was remade
for your TV using American actors ? Also, did you get to see Ricky in
"Extras" ? Although they were a bit variable in quality, when they were
good, they were superb. The one with Orlando Bloom in, for instance, was
hysterical, particularly the line about Johnny Depp where he said "Willy
Wonka ? Willy Wanka more like ! " The one with David Bowie in, however, I
thought was poor, and sad rather than funny.

As for Fawlty Towers, that gets run and run and run here. They were talking
to Prunella Scales (Sybil Fawlty) on the radio a while back, and I was
really surprised that there was only twelve episodes total. She said that in
some ways, she rued the day that she ever signed up for it as, considering
that there were only 12 episodes, it has defined her whole career in acting.
I also saw an interview with John Cleese and Connie Booth (Polly) who
co-wrote it with him. They said that most episodes were written in no more
than a half hour, and were modified in concept and ad-lib'd a lot during
filming. I would have thought that a lot of it might well be around on the
'net for download with a bit of searching - YouTube perhaps? - but failing
that, I'm sure it would be available from the BBC website, but whether in
NTSC / region 1 format, I don't know. I would have thought that Virgin
Megastores would be a good place to look also, as they carry a lot of stuff
like that over here, and always look to have very similar stocks in the
stores of theirs that I have looked in your side of the pond.

If you want to see some British dry humour with a London East End flavour,
check out on YouTube a programme called "Minder". There are loads of clips
on there, and you will see where my Usenet nic comes from ...

Arfa

Smitty Two wrote:

In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:


I keep a small piece in my drawers when I need to repair a
board.

snip

You don't know how funny that sounds in England ... !! :-)

Arfa


Sounds funny here too - although the reference is archaic it's not one
that goes unnoticed. Poster's remarks were rife with other structure,
grammar and punctuation errors.

Laugh all you want guys. The tab is on me.

And yes, I can understand you guys over there in England. The language
in the states is full of twisted slang how ever, I do understand the
brothers over here want to reform our language.

Who knows, pig Latin in school might be refreshing! It sure would give
the boys in mother England something to talk about, more so than ever.




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"Jamie" t wrote in message
...
Smitty Two wrote:

In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:


I keep a small piece in my drawers when I need to repair a
board.

snip

You don't know how funny that sounds in England ... !! :-)

Arfa


Sounds funny here too - although the reference is archaic it's not one
that goes unnoticed. Poster's remarks were rife with other structure,
grammar and punctuation errors.

Laugh all you want guys. The tab is on me.

And yes, I can understand you guys over there in England. The language
in the states is full of twisted slang how ever, I do understand the
brothers over here want to reform our language.

Who knows, pig Latin in school might be refreshing! It sure would give
the boys in mother England something to talk about, more so than ever.




I took real Latin in secondary school, and over the years, it's proved
really quite useful in working out the meanings of words, as many have a
Latin base. Sadly, the very great majority of government schools no longer
teach it. It has been replaced with other useful subjects like how not to
get pregnant, and making the best use of the social security system if you
do...

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote:

I took real Latin in secondary school, and over the years, it's proved
really quite useful in working out the meanings of words, as many have a
Latin base. Sadly, the very great majority of government schools no longer
teach it. It has been replaced with other useful subjects like how not to
get pregnant, and making the best use of the social security system if you
do...


My latin teacher had a bad habit of jumping ahead several chapters,
and asking about material we hadn't covered. I found out she had
ABSOLUTELY no sense of humor when I replied, 'It's all Greek to me'.

My favorite humor is what i call. a 'Stealth Pun". Some people don't
get them for days, or even weeks, then I get a phone call, or a visit
when they get it.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:

I took real Latin in secondary school, and over the years, it's proved
really quite useful in working out the meanings of words, as many have a
Latin base. Sadly, the very great majority of government schools no
longer
teach it. It has been replaced with other useful subjects like how not to
get pregnant, and making the best use of the social security system if
you
do...


My latin teacher had a bad habit of jumping ahead several chapters,
and asking about material we hadn't covered. I found out she had
ABSOLUTELY no sense of humor when I replied, 'It's all Greek to me'.

My favorite humor is what i call. a 'Stealth Pun". Some people don't
get them for days, or even weeks, then I get a phone call, or a visit
when they get it.



Nice one ! But I guess we better stop talking about all this stuff now,
before that *other* Michael come screaming around the corner in his police
Noddy-car, to arrest us and throw us into the cyberspace void for off-topic
chatting ... d;~)

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:

I took real Latin in secondary school, and over the years, it's proved
really quite useful in working out the meanings of words, as many have a
Latin base. Sadly, the very great majority of government schools no
longer
teach it. It has been replaced with other useful subjects like how not to
get pregnant, and making the best use of the social security system if
you
do...


My latin teacher had a bad habit of jumping ahead several chapters,
and asking about material we hadn't covered. I found out she had
ABSOLUTELY no sense of humor when I replied, 'It's all Greek to me'.

My favorite humor is what i call. a 'Stealth Pun". Some people don't
get them for days, or even weeks, then I get a phone call, or a visit
when they get it.



Nice one ! But I guess we better stop talking about all this stuff now,
before that *other* Michael come screaming around the corner in his police
Noddy-car, to arrest us and throw us into the cyberspace void for off-topic
chatting ... d;~)


He'd have to find me first. Do you have any idea how many 'Michael
A. Terrell's there are in the US? Or how many have unlisted phone
numbers? ;-)


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Michael Kennedy wrote:

"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
...
Jamie t wrote in
:

robb wrote:

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

If a pad is still in place, just 'flapping free' of the board,

it can often

be re-attached just by heating and pressing. The original glue

will remelt

and stick it enough to work with. I try to avoid superglue as

it fumes badly

when heated and is a killer if you get it in your eyes.


thanks Arfa,

that was exactly the situation... flapping around
i tried the super glue before i read your post though

in this case the reheat may not have worked as the under side of
pad became contaminated with rosin flux which i flushed before
super gling

thanks for ideas,
robb


Loctite 404.. or Plumbers PVC glue.

At the shop, we have some leftover 2 part mix
glue that is now outlawed. You have to wear a
face shield when applying in a very opened or
ventilated area. You place one compound on
one piece while you place the other compound on the
other piece to be joined. Nothing takes place until
you actually join them. You have to be rather quick
in getting them into position correctly. It gives off
a mist that is very toxic. This is for industrial use
only and requires a on sight permit to use it.

Now we can't get any more, but still have a rather good
supply of it. When you need to do things like bonding
Nylon, Teflon etc. that is what we use.


Why is it "outlawed"?

Or another question.. What is it?


Or where this shop is, so OSHA can shut them down?

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Michael Kennedy wrote:

"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
. ..

Jamie t wrote in
:


robb wrote:


"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...


If a pad is still in place, just 'flapping free' of the board,

it can often


be re-attached just by heating and pressing. The original glue

will remelt


and stick it enough to work with. I try to avoid superglue as

it fumes badly


when heated and is a killer if you get it in your eyes.


thanks Arfa,

that was exactly the situation... flapping around
i tried the super glue before i read your post though

in this case the reheat may not have worked as the under side of
pad became contaminated with rosin flux which i flushed before
super gling

thanks for ideas,
robb



Loctite 404.. or Plumbers PVC glue.

At the shop, we have some leftover 2 part mix
glue that is now outlawed. You have to wear a
face shield when applying in a very opened or
ventilated area. You place one compound on
one piece while you place the other compound on the
other piece to be joined. Nothing takes place until
you actually join them. You have to be rather quick
in getting them into position correctly. It gives off
a mist that is very toxic. This is for industrial use
only and requires a on sight permit to use it.

Now we can't get any more, but still have a rather good
supply of it. When you need to do things like bonding
Nylon, Teflon etc. that is what we use.


Why is it "outlawed"?

Or another question.. What is it?



Or where this shop is, so OSHA can shut them down?

we're allowed to use remaining quantity as long as we have
proper storage for haze mat chemicals. we. do..
end of story.
Just not legal any more to buy it and in the first place it
was a specialty product for industrial use only.

If I remember, i'll get the chemical composition of it this
week in work.



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