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On Friday, February 22, 2013 2:57:34 PM UTC, Andy Champ wrote:
On 21/02/2013 23:44, Steve Firth wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:07:56 GMT, just as I was about to take a herb, (Windmill) disturbed my reverie and wrote: They say that antibiotic resistance can even be spread from one type of bacterium to another. It is a fact, not a 'they say'. Perhaps you could explain the mechanism of this fact? snip It's a fact. It's not even an obscure one, and I'm surprised you haven't come across it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer and there was I thinking that was an athists term for the missionary position ;-) |
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whisky-dave wrote
Dave Liquorice wrote Mark wrote I agree there are some sites that are trustworthy. However, take NHS direct, for example. It is so dumbed down and simplified it's pretty much useless IMHO. By heck it is. I don't look at it very often, if at all, but some one posted a link elsewhere. That page was awful, any word that was even vaugely "difficult" had a simple explanation in brackets after it. Things like "incision (small cut)". Made reading the information very much harder that it should be. Makes you wonder why they use the word incison rather than small cut, any ideas ? They stupidly believe it reads better. Same reason cops use fancy words when giving evidence in court. This a web page FFS! Link the "difficult" words to a glossary entry or is clicking a word to "difficult" as well? If so have a the text that would be in the brackets appear in a float over box. Don't disrupt the flow of the text. Maybe it's because difernt browswers show things in slightly differtn ways. And it isnt obvious to everyone that they can get that effect with words they arent sure of. Makes no sense to use a word like incision with stuff that's sposed to be read by the general public on a site like that. |
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On Feb 22, 9:05*am, Mark
wrote: On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:39:59 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: In article , DrTeeth wrote: On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 07:02:26 GMT, just as I was about to take a herb, (Windmill) disturbed my reverie and wrote: So if doctors want to improve the chances that a course of antibiotics will be taken to completion, it will be best to explain why rather than relying on the doctor-is-God idea. Do you think doctors will have the time to educate each of their patients about antibiotic resistance? Many of the public have the intellect of those in the Vicky Pryce jury. How would a doctor deal with those dullards. I'm sure you don't necessarily and automatically do everything an expert tells you, not at least unless given reasons. Wrong, wrong, wrong. If I go to an expert, I DO do what I am told/advised...that is why I went to them and not to get 'educated'. Twaddle. I expect the expert to understand that, for the most part, I'm as intelligent as he is. And that he can take the time to translate his jargon into layman's terms. We're talking health here, not quantum physics. If the "expert" can't do that, it merely means he has not a proper grasp of the subject. And, from a practical standpoint, I am far more likely to remember the instructions from an 'expert' if I understand the reasons for it. *I'm sure I am not alone in this. It particularly annoys me when some types of 'expert' seem to deliberately conceal the reasons for their advice. They don't like to dissimate information. If other people knew too much the reason for their existence would disappear. |
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On Feb 22, 9:18*am, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 23:36:17 -0800 (PST), harry wrote: *However, take NHS direct, for example. *It is so dumbed down and simplified it's pretty much useless IMHO. By heck it is. I don't look at it very often, if at all, but some one posted a link elsewhere. That page was awful, any word that was even vaugely "difficult" had a simple explanation in brackets after it. Things like "incision (small cut)". Made reading the information very much harder that it should be. This a web page FFS! Link the "difficult" words to a glossary entry or is clicking a word to "difficult" as well? If so have a the text that would be in the brackets appear in a float over box. Don't disrupt the flow of the text. People are pretty stupid these days. Eg, the Huhn business jury. I can cope with people being poorly educated, they may well need assistance to understand difficult words like "incision". The problem is not stupid people but stupid "web designers" that screw up the effective communication of information by trying to use the proper words and have a simple english explanation inline. Have the word explantions as links/float over pop-up boxes or drop the proper words and do the whole thing in simple english. I always wonder why they use the word "incision" when they could just say "cut" and everyone would know what was meant. Just to add to their mystique? |
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On 22/02/13 18:00, harry wrote:
I always wonder why they use the word "incision" when they could just say "cut" and everyone would know what was meant. Thats cos you are a bit thick harry. An incision is not just any old cut. Its a very carefully cosnidered millimeter prefect cut. Just to add to their mystique? Oh. like calling your solar panels 'renewable energy' instead of 'legalised theft'? -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On Feb 22, 2:57*pm, Andy Champ wrote:
On 21/02/2013 23:44, Steve Firth wrote: *wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:07:56 GMT, just as I was about to take a herb, *(Windmill) disturbed my reverie and wrote: They say that antibiotic resistance can even be spread from one type of bacterium to another. It is a fact, not a 'they say'. Perhaps you could explain the mechanism of this fact? snip It's a fact. It's not even an obscure one, and I'm surprised you haven't come across it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer Andy When you think, it must be so. If bacteria multiply by division, how else could they change/evolve.? |
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On 21/02/2013 21:31, geoff wrote:
In message , DrTeeth writes On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 22:28:43 +0000, just as I was about to take a herb, John Rumm disturbed my reverie and wrote: The more observant would note that Arfa is an electronic engineer whose wife and daughter run a diner - but then that tends to make the one attempting to condescend look rather more of a knob. People should stick to their area of expertise. I do not mind people asking questions, but when they cannot figure out why something happens - the thought that they know ****-all about a subject does not enter their heads. I get a bit jaded after treating the public for 31 years - so many people think they know better than I when they could not even spell 0.00001% of what I know. And I always thought that dentists were failed doctors ... Miserable gits some of them... must be a down in the mouth job. You're really not going to make friends and influence people with such an attitude quite -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 22/02/2013 09:05, Mark wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:39:59 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: In article , DrTeeth wrote: On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 07:02:26 GMT, just as I was about to take a herb, lid (Windmill) disturbed my reverie and wrote: So if doctors want to improve the chances that a course of antibiotics will be taken to completion, it will be best to explain why rather than relying on the doctor-is-God idea. Do you think doctors will have the time to educate each of their patients about antibiotic resistance? Many of the public have the intellect of those in the Vicky Pryce jury. How would a doctor deal with those dullards. I'm sure you don't necessarily and automatically do everything an expert tells you, not at least unless given reasons. Wrong, wrong, wrong. If I go to an expert, I DO do what I am told/advised...that is why I went to them and not to get 'educated'. Twaddle. I expect the expert to understand that, for the most part, I'm as intelligent as he is. And that he can take the time to translate his jargon into layman's terms. We're talking health here, not quantum physics. If the "expert" can't do that, it merely means he has not a proper grasp of the subject. And, from a practical standpoint, I am far more likely to remember the instructions from an 'expert' if I understand the reasons for it. I'm sure I am not alone in this. Agreed, I much prefer to understand something in principle so that I can answer my own questions, rather than to be told the answer on a case by case basis. The sensible approach is to find out from the person you are advising what sort of answer they want. If they are not detail people, who just wants to be told what to do, then fine. If on the other had the seeker of advice indicates they are bright enough to understand the fuller picture, and will be able to learn something from it, then let them have the detail - or at least enough to deal with the particular line of questioning. It particularly annoys me when some types of 'expert' seem to deliberately conceal the reasons for their advice. Some seem to think it equates to job security... my experience suggests the reverse, since being more open about "why" engenders more trust in future. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 21/02/2013 18:06, DrTeeth wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:00:50 +0000, just as I was about to take a herb, John Rumm disturbed my reverie and wrote: Its that sort of attitude that contributes to the problem. Instructions to blindly "do as I say" are rarely the best way to engender co-operation from a good selection of people. So how long to you expect me or a doctor to spend explaining a pharmacological concept in enough detail for you? Since I would be paying for your time, as long as it takes until either I indicate I don't need more detail and am happy to simply be told what to do, or I understand to a level I am satisfied with... For example, how difficult would it be for a doctor to say : "I am going to prescribe xyz, its very important that you finish the whole course, even if you feel better in a couple of days. Do you understand?" If someone says "why", then explain why, and don't make yourself look like a knob with an overinflated ego by saying "because I said so!" Most people will be able to grasp the concept of antibiotic resistance if explained in simple terms... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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harry wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:57 pm, Andy Champ wrote: On 21/02/2013 23:44, Steve Firth wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:07:56 GMT, just as I was about to take a herb, (Windmill) disturbed my reverie and wrote: They say that antibiotic resistance can even be spread from one type of bacterium to another. It is a fact, not a 'they say'. Perhaps you could explain the mechanism of this fact? snip It's a fact. It's not even an obscure one, and I'm surprised you haven't come across it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer Andy When you think, it must be so. If bacteria multiply by division, how else could they change/evolve.? Random mutations, which is why life was stuck at the single cell stage for billions of years. It wasn't until a random mutation or accidental gene transfer from prey to predator started the whole sex thing off that evolution *really* took off. Or so various articles in Nature, Scientific American, New Scientist and Science et Vie claim, anyway. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:11:10 +0000, John Williamson wrote:
If bacteria multiply by division, how else could they change/evolve.? Random mutations, which is why life was stuck at the single cell stage for billions of years. It wasn't until a random mutation or accidental gene transfer from prey to predator started the whole sex thing off that evolution *really* took off. With just cloning a single mutation is just as likely to be terminal or benefical in the next generation. If it's terminal all the beneficial mutations in the line before are terminated as well. Once you have sex and the mix 'n match a mutation might not be terminal in the next generation and you also gain the beneficial mutations of the other individual. It also allows a beneficial mutation to spread through the population. Interesting BBC World Service Discovery short series, part 1: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ual_Nature_1_3 -- Cheers Dave. |
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harry wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:57 pm, Andy Champ wrote: On 21/02/2013 23:44, Steve Firth wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:07:56 GMT, just as I was about to take a herb, (Windmill) disturbed my reverie and wrote: They say that antibiotic resistance can even be spread from one type of bacterium to another. It is a fact, not a 'they say'. Perhaps you could explain the mechanism of this fact? snip It's a fact. It's not even an obscure one, and I'm surprised you haven't come across it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer Andy When you think, it must be so. If bacteria multiply by division, how else could they change/evolve.? Oh FFS. They could evolve without the ability to transfer plasmids between cells. It would just be slower. -- €˘DarWin| _/ _/ |
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Andy Champ wrote:
On 21/02/2013 23:44, Steve Firth wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:07:56 GMT, just as I was about to take a herb, lid (Windmill) disturbed my reverie and wrote: They say that antibiotic resistance can even be spread from one type of bacterium to another. It is a fact, not a 'they say'. Perhaps you could explain the mechanism of this fact? snip It's a fact. It's not even an obscure one, and I'm surprised you haven't come across it. What makes you think I haven't come across it? I was manipulating plasmids and transferring antibiotic resistance between species in the 1970s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer Grandmother, eggs. Clearly what you missed is that the pompous fang mangler didn't have a clue. -- €˘DarWin| _/ _/ |
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"harry" wrote in message ... On Feb 22, 2:57 pm, Andy Champ wrote: On 21/02/2013 23:44, Steve Firth wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:07:56 GMT, just as I was about to take a herb, (Windmill) disturbed my reverie and wrote: They say that antibiotic resistance can even be spread from one type of bacterium to another. It is a fact, not a 'they say'. Perhaps you could explain the mechanism of this fact? snip It's a fact. It's not even an obscure one, and I'm surprised you haven't come across it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer When you think, it must be so. If bacteria multiply by division, how else could they change/evolve.? By random variation in the DNA combined with selection. |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... whisky-dave wrote Dave Liquorice wrote Mark wrote I agree there are some sites that are trustworthy. However, take NHS direct, for example. It is so dumbed down and simplified it's pretty much useless IMHO. By heck it is. I don't look at it very often, if at all, but some one posted a link elsewhere. That page was awful, any word that was even vaugely "difficult" had a simple explanation in brackets after it. Things like "incision (small cut)". Made reading the information very much harder that it should be. Makes you wonder why they use the word incison rather than small cut, any ideas ? They stupidly believe it reads better. Same reason cops use fancy words when giving evidence in court. This a web page FFS! Link the "difficult" words to a glossary entry or is clicking a word to "difficult" as well? If so have a the text that would be in the brackets appear in a float over box. Don't disrupt the flow of the text. Maybe it's because difernt browswers show things in slightly differtn ways. And it isnt obvious to everyone that they can get that effect with words they arent sure of. Makes no sense to use a word like incision with stuff that's sposed to be read by the general public on a site like that. I'm actually having a real problem with the concept that the world is now so dumb as to have difficulty with a word like "incision" ... Arfa |
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Arfa Daily wrote
Rod Speed wrote whisky-dave wrote Dave Liquorice wrote Mark wrote I agree there are some sites that are trustworthy. However, take NHS direct, for example. It is so dumbed down and simplified it's pretty much useless IMHO. By heck it is. I don't look at it very often, if at all, but some one posted a link elsewhere. That page was awful, any word that was even vaugely "difficult" had a simple explanation in brackets after it. Things like "incision (small cut)". Made reading the information very much harder that it should be. Makes you wonder why they use the word incison rather than small cut, any ideas ? They stupidly believe it reads better. Same reason cops use fancy words when giving evidence in court. This a web page FFS! Link the "difficult" words to a glossary entry or is clicking a word to "difficult" as well? If so have a the text that would be in the brackets appear in a float over box. Don't disrupt the flow of the text. Maybe it's because difernt browswers show things in slightly differtn ways. And it isnt obvious to everyone that they can get that effect with words they arent sure of. Makes no sense to use a word like incision with stuff that's sposed to be read by the general public on a site like that. I'm actually having a real problem with the concept that the world is now so dumb as to have difficulty with a word like "incision" ... I'm not convinced that there weren't always some that ignorant. It wasn't that long ago that some kids managed to leave school without being able to read. You don't see that much anymore and those might now be reading sites like that at times tho not very often IMO. Its not surprising that those doing sites like that to at least try to cater for those that ignorant now. |
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On Feb 22, 10:51*pm, Steve Firth wrote:
harry wrote: On Feb 22, 2:57 pm, Andy Champ wrote: On 21/02/2013 23:44, Steve Firth wrote: *wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:07:56 GMT, just as I was about to take a herb, *(Windmill) disturbed my reverie and wrote: They say that antibiotic resistance can even be spread from one type of bacterium to another. It is a fact, not a 'they say'. Perhaps you could explain the mechanism of this fact? snip It's a fact. It's not even an obscure one, and I'm surprised you haven't come across it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer Andy When you think, it must be so. If bacteria multiply by division, how else could they change/evolve.? Oh FFS. They could evolve without the ability to transfer plasmids between cells. It would just be slower. How, when the cell divides into two parts identical to the one that went before? |
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harry wrote
Steve Firth wrote harry wrote Andy Champ wrote Steve Firth wrote wrote (Windmill) wrote They say that antibiotic resistance can even be spread from one type of bacterium to another. It is a fact, not a 'they say'. Perhaps you could explain the mechanism of this fact? It's a fact. It's not even an obscure one, and I'm surprised you haven't come across it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer When you think, it must be so. If bacteria multiply by division, how else could they change/evolve.? Oh FFS. They could evolve without the ability to transfer plasmids between cells. It would just be slower. How, when the cell divides into two parts identical to the one that went before? Random mutation. |
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On 23/02/2013 08:52, Huge wrote:
You forget that half the world has an IQ under 100. Only people with an IQ lower than 100 forget that... Or is that "fail to understand that"? :-) -- Rod |
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harry wrote:
On Feb 22, 10:51 pm, Steve Firth wrote: [snip] Oh FFS. They could evolve without the ability to transfer plasmids between cells. It would just be slower. How, when the cell divides into two parts identical to the one that went before? Your assumption that both cells must always be identical is wrong. Also after the cells have divided each may experience different mutagenic events. for example one may get hit by ionising radiation, the other not. Point mutation and transcription errors tend to be the greater causes of variation. DNA repair and replication is good but it's not perfect. If you had thought about it you would have realised that. -- €˘DarWin| _/ _/ |
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On 23/02/13 08:52, Huge wrote:
On 2013-02-23, Arfa Daily wrote: "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... whisky-dave wrote Dave Liquorice wrote Mark wrote I agree there are some sites that are trustworthy. However, take NHS direct, for example. It is so dumbed down and simplified it's pretty much useless IMHO. By heck it is. I don't look at it very often, if at all, but some one posted a link elsewhere. That page was awful, any word that was even vaugely "difficult" had a simple explanation in brackets after it. Things like "incision (small cut)". Made reading the information very much harder that it should be. Makes you wonder why they use the word incison rather than small cut, any ideas ? They stupidly believe it reads better. Same reason cops use fancy words when giving evidence in court. This a web page FFS! Link the "difficult" words to a glossary entry or is clicking a word to "difficult" as well? If so have a the text that would be in the brackets appear in a float over box. Don't disrupt the flow of the text. Maybe it's because difernt browswers show things in slightly differtn ways. And it isnt obvious to everyone that they can get that effect with words they arent sure of. Makes no sense to use a word like incision with stuff that's sposed to be read by the general public on a site like that. I'm actually having a real problem with the concept that the world is now so dumb as to have difficulty with a word like "incision" ... You forget that half the world has an IQ under 100. MORE than half the world.. Its not an ideal distribution. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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DrTeeth writes:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:00:50 +0000, just as I was about to take a herb, John Rumm disturbed my reverie and wrote: Its that sort of attitude that contributes to the problem. Instructions to blindly "do as I say" are rarely the best way to engender co-operation from a good selection of people. So how long to you expect me or a doctor to spend explaining a pharmacological concept in enough detail for you? It would take all of 2 seconds to hand out an explanatory leaflet, and if the matter was important there should be such a leaflet. When it's important, most would read the leaflet, unless they'd seen it before. -- Windmill, Use t m i l l J.R.R. Tolkien:- @ O n e t e l . c o m All that is gold does not glister / Not all who wander are lost |
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"Rod Speed" writes:
Arfa Daily wrote Rod Speed wrote whisky-dave wrote Dave Liquorice wrote Mark wrote I agree there are some sites that are trustworthy. However, take NHS direct, for example. It is so dumbed down and simplified it's pretty much useless IMHO. By heck it is. I don't look at it very often, if at all, but some one posted a link elsewhere. That page was awful, any word that was even vaugely "difficult" had a simple explanation in brackets after it. Things like "incision (small cut)". Made reading the information very much harder that it should be. Makes you wonder why they use the word incison rather than small cut, any ideas ? They stupidly believe it reads better. Same reason cops use fancy words when giving evidence in court. This a web page FFS! Link the "difficult" words to a glossary entry or is clicking a word to "difficult" as well? If so have a the text that would be in the brackets appear in a float over box. Don't disrupt the flow of the text. Maybe it's because difernt browswers show things in slightly differtn ways. And it isnt obvious to everyone that they can get that effect with words they arent sure of. Makes no sense to use a word like incision with stuff that's sposed to be read by the general public on a site like that. I'm actually having a real problem with the concept that the world is now so dumb as to have difficulty with a word like "incision" ... I'm not convinced that there weren't always some that ignorant. It wasn't that long ago that some kids managed to leave school without being able to read. You don't see that much anymore and those might now be reading sites like that at times tho not very often IMO. To slightly change the subject, ISTM that with all these yobs using their mobiles to text each other, in future nearly everyone is going to be able to read and write. There might be some question about the language(s) which will evolve (Txtish? Txtese?), but they will be able to communicate in writing. -- Windmill, Use t m i l l J.R.R. Tolkien:- @ O n e t e l . c o m All that is gold does not glister / Not all who wander are lost |
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On 23/02/2013 08:52, Huge wrote:
8 You forget that half the world has an IQ under 100. Just because the average is 100 doesn't mean half the world is less. |
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On 23/02/2013 16:10, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/02/2013 08:52, Huge wrote: 8 You forget that half the world has an IQ under 100. Just because the average is 100 doesn't mean half the world is less. It does if they fix the median as 100. But if you are referring to something else...? -- Rod |
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On 22/02/2013 22:51, Steve Firth wrote:
Andy Champ wrote: On 21/02/2013 23:44, Steve Firth wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:07:56 GMT, just as I was about to take a herb, lid (Windmill) disturbed my reverie and wrote: They say that antibiotic resistance can even be spread from one type of bacterium to another. It is a fact, not a 'they say'. Perhaps you could explain the mechanism of this fact? snip It's a fact. It's not even an obscure one, and I'm surprised you haven't come across it. What makes you think I haven't come across it? I was manipulating plasmids and transferring antibiotic resistance between species in the 1970s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer Grandmother, eggs. Clearly what you missed is that the pompous fang mangler didn't have a clue. Looks to me as if he knew. It also looked to me as if you didn't - and as I said I was surprised at your apparent implication that this was *not* a fact. Still... is this a 5 minute argument or a 10 minute one? Andy |
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Andy Champ wrote:
On 22/02/2013 22:51, Steve Firth wrote: Andy Champ wrote: On 21/02/2013 23:44, Steve Firth wrote: wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:07:56 GMT, just as I was about to take a herb, lid (Windmill) disturbed my reverie and wrote: They say that antibiotic resistance can even be spread from one type of bacterium to another. It is a fact, not a 'they say'. Perhaps you could explain the mechanism of this fact? snip It's a fact. It's not even an obscure one, and I'm surprised you haven't come across it. What makes you think I haven't come across it? I was manipulating plasmids and transferring antibiotic resistance between species in the 1970s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer Grandmother, eggs. Clearly what you missed is that the pompous fang mangler didn't have a clue. Looks to me as if he knew. No he didn't. It also looked to me as if you didn't Your perception was wrong, as it often is. - and as I said I was surprised at your apparent implication that this was *not* a fact. I made no such implication. Still... is this a 5 minute argument or a 10 minute one? You tell me, it's you that started an argument and who apparently wants to continue one. -- €˘DarWin| _/ _/ |
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In message , Tim
Streater writes In article rg, Steve Firth wrote: DrTeeth wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:07:56 GMT, just as I was about to take a herb, lid (Windmill) disturbed my reverie and wrote: They say that antibiotic resistance can even be spread from one type of bacterium to another. It is a fact, not a 'they say'. Perhaps you could explain the mechanism of this fact? It happens because bacteria exchange genetic material. I don't personally know in any more detail than that. I had to explain this to my sister once. She is a typical "nice but clueless" LibDem, who one day harangued me that it "can't be right" to be putting "a fish gene" into wheat. So I gently explained that there's no such thing as a fish gene, as humans share, I dunno, at least 50% of their genetic material with fish. Wheat and fish share something like 40%, IIRC. Trouble is she's one of these folk who live on a "need to know" basis (i.e. has no natural curiosity about the world around her) and so has actually very little knowledge about anything at all. Does she also think that wind farms are a viable alternative to nuclear/gas/coal? -- bert |
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In message , Arfa Daily
writes "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... whisky-dave wrote Dave Liquorice wrote Mark wrote I agree there are some sites that are trustworthy. However, take NHS direct, for example. It is so dumbed down and simplified it's pretty much useless IMHO. By heck it is. I don't look at it very often, if at all, but some one posted a link elsewhere. That page was awful, any word that was even vaugely "difficult" had a simple explanation in brackets after it. Things like "incision (small cut)". Made reading the information very much harder that it should be. Makes you wonder why they use the word incison rather than small cut, any ideas ? They stupidly believe it reads better. Same reason cops use fancy words when giving evidence in court. This a web page FFS! Link the "difficult" words to a glossary entry or is clicking a word to "difficult" as well? If so have a the text that would be in the brackets appear in a float over box. Don't disrupt the flow of the text. Maybe it's because difernt browswers show things in slightly differtn ways. And it isnt obvious to everyone that they can get that effect with words they arent sure of. Makes no sense to use a word like incision with stuff that's sposed to be read by the general public on a site like that. I'm actually having a real problem with the concept that the world is now so dumb as to have difficulty with a word like "incision" ... Arfa It always was to a certain extent but now the lunatics have taken over the asylum -- bert |
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"Windmill" wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" writes: Arfa Daily wrote Rod Speed wrote whisky-dave wrote Dave Liquorice wrote Mark wrote I agree there are some sites that are trustworthy. However, take NHS direct, for example. It is so dumbed down and simplified it's pretty much useless IMHO. By heck it is. I don't look at it very often, if at all, but some one posted a link elsewhere. That page was awful, any word that was even vaugely "difficult" had a simple explanation in brackets after it. Things like "incision (small cut)". Made reading the information very much harder that it should be. Makes you wonder why they use the word incison rather than small cut, any ideas ? They stupidly believe it reads better. Same reason cops use fancy words when giving evidence in court. This a web page FFS! Link the "difficult" words to a glossary entry or is clicking a word to "difficult" as well? If so have a the text that would be in the brackets appear in a float over box. Don't disrupt the flow of the text. Maybe it's because difernt browswers show things in slightly differtn ways. And it isnt obvious to everyone that they can get that effect with words they arent sure of. Makes no sense to use a word like incision with stuff that's sposed to be read by the general public on a site like that. I'm actually having a real problem with the concept that the world is now so dumb as to have difficulty with a word like "incision" ... I'm not convinced that there weren't always some that ignorant. It wasn't that long ago that some kids managed to leave school without being able to read. You don't see that much anymore and those might now be reading sites like that at times tho not very often IMO. To slightly change the subject, ISTM that with all these yobs using their mobiles to text each other, in future nearly everyone is going to be able to read and write. There might be some question about the language(s) which will evolve (Txtish? Txtese?), but they will be able to communicate in writing. All that is gold does not glister / Not all who wander are lost There was a wonderful bit in the second (?) episode of "Derek" where a young girl had to go and do community service at the home. The boss asked her if she read. "Oh yes" she says. "And what sort of stuff do you read ?" asks the boss. "Twitter" replies the girl ... Well, I cracked up. A lot of people have panned that programme as being insensitive and cruel, and I must admit I wasn't sure after the first one, but I stuck with it, and I now think that it is one of the most brilliantly observed pieces of writing that I have ever seen, and although I don't much like Ricky Gervaise, I think he's to be commended on this one ... Arfa |
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On 23/02/2013 15:07, Windmill wrote:
There might be some question about the language(s) which will evolve (Txtish? Txtese?), but they will be able to communicate in writing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_language I'd always heard txtspk, but it seems there are many others. Andy |
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"Andy Champ" wrote in message . uk... On 23/02/2013 15:07, Windmill wrote: There might be some question about the language(s) which will evolve (Txtish? Txtese?), but they will be able to communicate in writing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_language I'd always heard txtspk, but it seems there are many others. Andy Thing is, the kids don't use much text speak nowadays - or so mine tell me - as most of the phones that they use are now smartphones with touch screens and full qwerty keyboards, so they just type the whole words exactly as they would on a normal sized keyboard. Arfa |
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:49:17 +0000, John Rumm
wrote: On 22/02/2013 09:05, Mark wrote: On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:39:59 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: In article , DrTeeth wrote: On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 07:02:26 GMT, just as I was about to take a herb, lid (Windmill) disturbed my reverie and wrote: So if doctors want to improve the chances that a course of antibiotics will be taken to completion, it will be best to explain why rather than relying on the doctor-is-God idea. Do you think doctors will have the time to educate each of their patients about antibiotic resistance? Many of the public have the intellect of those in the Vicky Pryce jury. How would a doctor deal with those dullards. I'm sure you don't necessarily and automatically do everything an expert tells you, not at least unless given reasons. Wrong, wrong, wrong. If I go to an expert, I DO do what I am told/advised...that is why I went to them and not to get 'educated'. Twaddle. I expect the expert to understand that, for the most part, I'm as intelligent as he is. And that he can take the time to translate his jargon into layman's terms. We're talking health here, not quantum physics. If the "expert" can't do that, it merely means he has not a proper grasp of the subject. And, from a practical standpoint, I am far more likely to remember the instructions from an 'expert' if I understand the reasons for it. I'm sure I am not alone in this. Agreed, I much prefer to understand something in principle so that I can answer my own questions, rather than to be told the answer on a case by case basis. The sensible approach is to find out from the person you are advising what sort of answer they want. If they are not detail people, who just wants to be told what to do, then fine. If on the other had the seeker of advice indicates they are bright enough to understand the fuller picture, and will be able to learn something from it, then let them have the detail - or at least enough to deal with the particular line of questioning. It particularly annoys me when some types of 'expert' seem to deliberately conceal the reasons for their advice. Some seem to think it equates to job security... my experience suggests the reverse, since being more open about "why" engenders more trust in future. Exactly. I have lost trust in solictors as a result of this. I'm sure there are many good ones but, too many times, I have wasted time/money/etc and come out of an appointment knowing no more than when I went in. I particularly hate it when all they will say is statements beginning with "you could try" -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around (")_(") is he still wrong? |
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:09:55 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote: "Andy Champ" wrote in message .uk... On 23/02/2013 15:07, Windmill wrote: There might be some question about the language(s) which will evolve (Txtish? Txtese?), but they will be able to communicate in writing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_language I'd always heard txtspk, but it seems there are many others. Andy Thing is, the kids don't use much text speak nowadays - or so mine tell me - as most of the phones that they use are now smartphones with touch screens and full qwerty keyboards, so they just type the whole words exactly as they would on a normal sized keyboard. Kids don't text much anymore IME. It's all farcebook and ****ter now. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around (")_(") is he still wrong? |
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On Feb 25, 10:08*am, Mark
wrote: On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:49:17 +0000, John Rumm wrote: On 22/02/2013 09:05, Mark wrote: On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:39:59 +0000, Tim Streater wrote: In article , DrTeeth wrote: On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 07:02:26 GMT, just as I was about to take a herb, (Windmill) disturbed my reverie and wrote: So if doctors want to improve the chances that a course of antibiotics will be taken to completion, it will be best to explain why rather than relying on the doctor-is-God idea. Do you think doctors will have the time to educate each of their patients about antibiotic resistance? Many of the public have the intellect of those in the Vicky Pryce jury. How would a doctor deal with those dullards. I'm sure you don't necessarily and automatically do everything an expert tells you, not at least unless given reasons. Wrong, wrong, wrong. If I go to an expert, I DO do what I am told/advised...that is why I went to them and not to get 'educated'. Twaddle. I expect the expert to understand that, for the most part, I'm as intelligent as he is. And that he can take the time to translate his jargon into layman's terms. We're talking health here, not quantum physics. If the "expert" can't do that, it merely means he has not a proper grasp of the subject. And, from a practical standpoint, I am far more likely to remember the instructions from an 'expert' if I understand the reasons for it. *I'm sure I am not alone in this. Agreed, I much prefer to understand something in principle so that I can answer my own questions, rather than to be told the answer on a case by case basis. The sensible approach is to find out from the person you are advising what sort of answer they want. If they are not detail people, who just wants to be told what to do, then fine. If on the other had the seeker of advice indicates they are bright enough to understand the fuller picture, and will be able to learn something from it, then let them have the detail - or at least enough to deal with the particular line of questioning. It particularly annoys me when some types of 'expert' seem to deliberately conceal the reasons for their advice. Some seem to think it equates to job security... my experience suggests the reverse, since being more open about "why" *engenders more trust in future. Exactly. *I have lost trust in solictors as a result of this. *I'm sure there are many good ones but, too many times, I have wasted time/money/etc and come out of an appointment knowing no more than when I went in. *I particularly hate it when all they will say is statements beginning with "you could try" Anagram for "solicitor"? Clitoris. Well near enough. ;-) |
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On 25/02/2013 18:29, harry wrote:
Anagram for "solicitor"? Clitoris. Well near enough. ;-) O O OOOOOOOOOOO :-) -- Rod |
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On 25/02/2013 18:37, polygonum wrote:
On 25/02/2013 18:29, harry wrote: Anagram for "solicitor"? Clitoris. Well near enough. ;-) O O OOOOOOOOOOO :-) Can't imagine having that much fun playing with a solicitor ;-) (then again, being one does not preclude ownership of the other I guess!) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Andy Champ writes:
On 23/02/2013 15:07, Windmill wrote: There might be some question about the language(s) which will evolve (Txtish? Txtese?), but they will be able to communicate in writing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_language I'd always heard txtspk, but it seems there are many others. I'd think the dominant one is likely to be similar, at least slightly, to either English or Chinese. -- Windmill, Use t m i l l J.R.R. Tolkien:- @ O n e t e l . c o m All that is gold does not glister / Not all who wander are lost |
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"Arfa Daily" writes:
"Andy Champ" wrote in message .uk... On 23/02/2013 15:07, Windmill wrote: There might be some question about the language(s) which will evolve (Txtish? Txtese?), but they will be able to communicate in writing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_language I'd always heard txtspk, but it seems there are many others. Andy Thing is, the kids don't use much text speak nowadays - or so mine tell me - as most of the phones that they use are now smartphones with touch screens and full qwerty keyboards, so they just type the whole words exactly as they would on a normal sized keyboard. Even better! -- Windmill, Use t m i l l J.R.R. Tolkien:- @ O n e t e l . c o m All that is gold does not glister / Not all who wander are lost |
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In message , Windmill
writes Andy Champ writes: On 23/02/2013 15:07, Windmill wrote: There might be some question about the language(s) which will evolve (Txtish? Txtese?), but they will be able to communicate in writing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_language I'd always heard txtspk, but it seems there are many others. I'd think the dominant one is likely to be similar, at least slightly, to either English or Chinese. I read an article recently that said that inggris has reached critical mass - it has reached the point where no other language will overtake it -- geoff |
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