DrTeeth wrote
Rod Speed wrote

The other [theory for how BSE showed up] is
that it just developed in cattle spontaneously.

How long before some nutter conspiracy theorist, the type that believes
the Mossad was responsible for 9/11, blames the Jews for this?

Bet they have already done that.

In message , Rod Speed
writes
DrTeeth wrote
Rod Speed wrote

The other [theory for how BSE showed up] is that it just developed
in cattle spontaneously.

How long before some nutter conspiracy theorist, the type that
believes the Mossad was responsible for 9/11, blames the Jews for this?

Bet they have already done that.

The Juews are the men that will not be blamed for nothing

--
geoff

In message , bert ]
writes
In message , Frank Erskine
writes
On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:23:19 +0000, polygonum
wrote:

On 08/02/2013 11:04, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
.....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

The only way they could claim that is if the meat came from a supply
farmed for human consumption and rigorously quality checked (as I hope our
beef, lamb and pork is).

However if they lied once, how can they be trusted?

How do we know the horses weren't shot because they had an infectious
disease such as coughing, or expired just past the finishing post due to
over doping?

No doubt this story will run forever......

Cheers

Dave R

Have to say, saddle of lamb is wonderful, so too saddle of beef or
venison. Not at all sure about saddle of ...

Don't the stirrups make carving difficult?

Flogging a dead horse there...

Somebody's beaten him to it.

No - just whipping up a frenzy


--
geoff

In message , John
Rumm writes
On 08/02/2013 11:04, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

The only way they could claim that is if the meat came from a supply
farmed for human consumption and rigorously quality checked (as I hope our
beef, lamb and pork is).

However if they lied once, how can they be trusted?

How do we know the horses weren't shot because they had an infectious
disease such as coughing, or expired just past the finishing post due to
over doping?

No doubt this story will run forever......

Had a horse burger once...



gave me the trots!


As long as you didn't get the runs - couldn't have been RED rumm

--
geoff

On 09/02/2013 01:23, geoff wrote:
In message , John
Rumm writes
On 08/02/2013 11:04, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

The only way they could claim that is if the meat came from a supply
farmed for human consumption and rigorously quality checked (as I
hope our
beef, lamb and pork is).

However if they lied once, how can they be trusted?

How do we know the horses weren't shot because they had an infectious
disease such as coughing, or expired just past the finishing post due to
over doping?

No doubt this story will run forever......

Had a horse burger once...



gave me the trots!


As long as you didn't get the runs - couldn't have been RED rumm

I always thought a sheepskin noseband would suit me ;-)



--
Cheers,

John.

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On Feb 8, 9:03*pm, DrTeeth wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:17:48 +0000 (UTC), just as I was about to take a
herb, (Andrew Gabriel) disturbed my

reverie and wrote:
I stopped eating beef when BSE started, and I now only eat it
very occasionally, and only when it's still in an identifiable
state (not minced up).

You should do what many people did and do...eat kosher meat. It has
any nerve tissue removed to a very high surgical standard.
--
The animals are butchered in a barbaric fashion. How these Jews get
away with it I don't know.
Same with Halal.

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 15:38:05 +0000, John Williamson wrote:

If there's unlabelled non-kosher or non-halal meat in an otherwise
kosher or halal meat product, then a *lot* of people are going to be
really annoyed about that.

Although it's not important in itself as the rules are only superstitions
and have no basis in the real world.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 09/02/2013 01:23, geoff wrote:
In message , John
Rumm writes
On 08/02/2013 11:04, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

The only way they could claim that is if the meat came from a supply
farmed for human consumption and rigorously quality checked (as I
hope our
beef, lamb and pork is).

However if they lied once, how can they be trusted?

How do we know the horses weren't shot because they had an infectious
disease such as coughing, or expired just past the finishing post due to
over doping?

No doubt this story will run forever......

Had a horse burger once...



gave me the trots!


As long as you didn't get the runs - couldn't have been RED rumm

Always used to think down that direction when I saw "Country Life
Shirgar Welsh Butter" for sale. Hence we called it horse-butter.

(Pedants - I *know* spelling is different.)

--
Rod

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Feb 8, 9:03 pm, DrTeeth wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:17:48 +0000 (UTC), just as I was about to take a
herb, (Andrew Gabriel) disturbed my

reverie and wrote:
I stopped eating beef when BSE started, and I now only eat it
very occasionally, and only when it's still in an identifiable
state (not minced up).

You should do what many people did and do...eat kosher meat. It has
any nerve tissue removed to a very high surgical standard.

The animals are butchered in a barbaric fashion.

Not necessarily when they are stunned before they are killed.

How these Jews get away with it I don't know.

There are some laws that allow stupid religious practices to continue.

Female circumcision is banned right thruout the modern first world now.

The jews still get away with hacking the ends of kid's dicks on day 8,
essentially
because they kick up one hell of a stink if anyone trys banning that too.

Same with Halal.

Halal slaughter of animals in the first world is done by stunning the animal
first.

Happens a bit in the third world too.

On 09/02/13 08:27, polygonum wrote:

....

Always used to think down that direction when I saw "Country Life
Shirgar Welsh Butter" for sale. Hence we called it horse-butter.

(Pedants - I *know* spelling is different.)


I thought "Welsh Butters" were goats.

Hugh

--

Hugh Newbury

www.evershot-weather.org

On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 19:47:22 +0000, bert ] wrote:

BP oil rig blew up and kills 11 people and the CEO has to go.

Why?

Barclays fiddle the Libor rate and the CEO has to go.

Why?

Mid-Staffs kills 600 people
and the former Chief exec complains he is made a scapegoat and the other
guy says he did nothing wrong.

Good for him - why should he (or any of the others) fall on his sword
to satisfy braying ****s who couldn't run a raffle? Having been
through the excoriating process, most people in his position would
make bloody sure it won't repeat.

On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 10:22:13 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

A lot of nurses are well over qualified for the job. They don't want
to know about **** and ****. Which is what nursing is mostly all
about.

Nursing 2000 was to blame for that - it lead to thousands of nurses
coming into the system that hadn't started at the bottom rung and
thinking they were too good to clean.

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:11:56 +0000, AC wrote:

There is a list of ingredients on the back. One expects that to be
accurate. If it doesn't say horse, then one has every right to expect
there to be no horse.

The cheapy ones just say 'meat',and that covers lips, eyeballs and
arseholes, bovine or equine, if you're not picky.

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:23:46 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Soon, as with banks, 'everybody is doing it' throwing in the rats
squirrels, dogs, deer - anything that is or can reasonably be described
as 'edible meat' goes in one end. and death burgers come out the other.

And you thought Ankh Morpork was fictional.

It was the sqealing of the rats in the machines when the main switch
was thrown in the morning that got me laughing.
No, that wasn't from A-M.

On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 06:44:12 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

I was thinking more along the lines of soylent green but who would eat green meat !!! pass the food colouring dear :-)

Exactly so. Meat without colouring can look a bit iffy, but still be
perfectly sound. The processors wouldn't dream of throwing that out.

On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 23:54:32 -0800 (PST), just as I was about to take a
herb, harry disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

The animals are butchered in a barbaric fashion. How these Jews get
away with it I don't know.

There is no sanitary or pleasant way to slaughter animals. The Kosher
method has a MUCH higher first-time kill rate than stunning. The knife
is so sharp, no pain is felt. I have cut myself with similarly sharp
knives and felt nothing.

How these non Jews get away with it I do not know...it is so barbaric.
Having an animal writhing around after having a bolt shot through its
brain...
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 12:19:23 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, Grimly Curmudgeon disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

The cheapy ones just say 'meat',and that covers lips, eyeballs and
arseholes, bovine or equine, if you're not picky.
Penises?
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

In message , DrTeeth
writes
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 23:54:32 -0800 (PST), just as I was about to take a
herb, harry disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

The animals are butchered in a barbaric fashion. How these Jews get
away with it I don't know.

There is no sanitary or pleasant way to slaughter animals. The Kosher
method has a MUCH higher first-time kill rate than stunning. The knife
is so sharp, no pain is felt. I have cut myself with similarly sharp
knives and felt nothing.

How these non Jews get away with it I do not know...it is so barbaric.
Having an animal writhing around after having a bolt shot through its
brain...

That's just muscle spasms

Once that bolt's through the brain, the brain is mush

--
geoff

On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:51:13 +0000, just as I was about to take a herb,
geoff disturbed my reverie and wrote:

That's just muscle spasms

Once that bolt's through the brain, the brain is mush

It is not done with surgical precision so you can not be sure. It is
still 'barbaric'.
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

On 09/02/2013 13:27, DrTeeth wrote:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:51:13 +0000, just as I was about to take a herb,
geoff disturbed my reverie and wrote:

That's just muscle spasms

Once that bolt's through the brain, the brain is mush

It is not done with surgical precision so you can not be sure. It is
still 'barbaric'.
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).


Is there any possibility that you would change your sig so that it has
"--space" and therefore gets removed when we respond to your posts?

--
Rod

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 13:33:16 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, polygonum disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

Is there any possibility that you would change your sig so that it has
"--space" and therefore gets removed when we respond to your posts?

Done. My sincere apologies. I thought I had already done that, but the
current sig was one of about 10 that did not have it. Should be okay
now.
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

On 09/02/2013 14:24, DrTeeth wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 13:33:16 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, polygonum disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

Is there any possibility that you would change your sig so that it has
"--space" and therefore gets removed when we respond to your posts?

Done. My sincere apologies. I thought I had already done that, but the
current sig was one of about 10 that did not have it. Should be okay
now.

Thanking you - good to get a civilised response, unlike sometimes. :-)

And yes, it does work now.

--
Rod

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 13:27:08 +0000, DrTeeth wrote:

On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:51:13 +0000, just as I was about to take a herb,
geoff disturbed my reverie and wrote:

That's just muscle spasms

Once that bolt's through the brain, the brain is mush

It is not done with surgical precision so you can not be sure. It is
still 'barbaric'.



It does not need to be, the impact of the bolt (there are two types, one
penetrates the other does not) delivers enough energy to the skull(1) to:

a: fracture it (and penetrate if that type)
b: produce severe concussion and brain damage that in about 85+% of cases
is fatal.

All such animals are then bled by severance of the main vessels arising
from the heart to ensure death before consciousness returns (if it would
have).

Kosher/halal, there is an alternative supply in (most) bovine animals
via the basilar/vertebral artery (& the circle of willis) that can
maintain consciousness for a prolonged time of only a neck cut is made,
without first stunning the animal to render them unconscious.

(1) From what I can find/remember the cartridges used in most captive
bolt guns give a bolt velocity of ~60 m/s (around 120mph) and depending
on the mass of the bolt (about 150g) the energy it delivers is about
270KJ.

I can not find a figure for the minimum required but it is generally
accepted that velocities below about 40m/s are much less effective.

Avpx

--
'They were myths and they were real,' he said loudly. 'Both
a wave and a particle.'
(Guards! Guards!)
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snip

No doubt this story will run forever......

If I bought 4 burgers for a quid, I'd be amazed to discover
they had as much as 29% of any identifiable meat in them.
That's why I've never bought 4 burgers for a quid.

--
Andrew Gabriel

Which is why the burgers that we use at our burger take-out cost a lot,
trade. They come 100% from a fully traceable local herd of Aberdeen Angus
cattle, and are prepared to order by the independent butcher who is part
owner of the herd. But such traceability and guaranteed quality *is*
expensive, and actually quite rare - or so we found when originally looking
for a supplier. I suppose that this is what drives suppliers to Tesco and
the like to source the cheapest components that they can, that will
fulfill - initially at least - the requirements of these big boys at the
wholesale prices dictated. It will no doubt be a price thing that drives the
suppliers to look abroad for their meat. Given that many countries eat
horsemeat anyway, I doubt that a lot of the EU can fathom what all the
current fuss is about. They probably think that it's just "Those crazeee
Eeengleesh again ... "

I also think that we have to be a little less paranoid about our food. I
seem to recall from visiting France many many years ago, that they have
dedicated horse butchers - bouchieres chevalin or some such ?? I don't
suppose for one minute that there is anything wrong with the meat that they
sell, and without us actually *knowing* otherwise, there may not be with the
horse that has found its way into the current furore. Yes, I agree that it's
naughty substituting ingredients that are clearly defined on the product
wrapper, and of course, if it *is* meat that is not fit for human
consumption, then the people doing it need hanging up by their fingernails,
but it seems to me that most of the objections seem to be centering on the
fact of it *being* horse, rather than if anything is wrong with it.

As to what parts of the animal are being used, anyone who thinks that four
for a quid Tesco Value burgers, are made from best rump, must be deluded
anyway. At the end of the day, what's the difference between minced cow
arsehole, and minced horse dick ?

For my part, I have absolutely no problem at all eating horse per se, as
long as it is of food-safe grade. If it was available, I would eat dolphin
.... :-)

Arfa

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 08:48:09 -0600, just as I was about to take a
herb, The Nomad disturbed my reverie and wrote:

Kosher/halal, there is an alternative supply in (most) bovine animals
via the basilar/vertebral artery (& the circle of willis) that can
maintain consciousness for a prolonged time of only a neck cut is made,

When the carotid arteries are cut, the pressure in the circle of
Willis drops to zero and the blood from the vertebral arteries will
NOT perfuse the brain. The flow will drain through the severed
carotids.
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 14:28:57 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, polygonum disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

Thanking you - good to get a civilised response, unlike sometimes. :-)

And yes, it does work now.

Happy to oblige ;-).
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

On Feb 9, 12:17*pm, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 10:22:13 -0800 (PST), harry

wrote:
A lot of nurses are well over qualified for the job. They don't want
to know about **** and ****. Which is what nursing is mostly all
about.

Nursing 2000 was to blame for that - it lead to thousands of nurses
coming into the system that hadn't started at the bottom rung and
thinking they were too good to clean.

They all need to be kicked out. They are the heart of the problem.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 08/02/13 12:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:

What I find rather disturbing is that no one in the whole long supply
chain, from abattoir to retail outlet, appears to have been routinely
testing that a batch of meat or product called "beef" really is 100%
beef.

How would you know?

DNA testing is scarcely the sort of thing that people engage in
routinely.

Company X decides that in practice people can barely tell horse from
cow, stars mixing in horse, and the frozen mince goes off to McDonkeys
suppliers, who use the sort of it in lasagne as well.

They undercut everyone else's prices, so guess who else start to copy.

Soon, as with banks, 'everybody is doing it' throwing in the rats
squirrels, dogs, deer - anything that is or can reasonably be described
as 'edible meat' goes in one end. and death burgers come out the other.

And you thought Ankh Morpork was fictional.

Rat on a stick, eh? Yum!

Mate of mine always called it Kentucky Fried Rat back in the 60s

Does tend to stick in your mind a bit.


My missus insists that KFC stands for Kan't ****in' Cook ... :-)

Arfa

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 08/02/13 18:23, harry wrote:
On Feb 8, 2:44 pm, whisky-dave wrote:

We buy our stuff from the local butcher.

Not allowed to do that . EU rules mean that its legal to cart horses,say
from,Romania to a supermarket near you,. but its illegal to slaughter a
cow less than 100 miles away..

--


Explain ...?

Arfa

"DrTeeth" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:26:41 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, Chris J Dixon disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

I does make one wonder exactly what other foodstuffs are being
sold to us under false descriptions?

They do not have to be false. What do you think "made with ingredients
from natural sources" means?

Had it crossed your mind that a sewage farm is a natural source?


I think that may be stretching the whole argument just a *little* far ... ?

Arfa


People need to read very carefully.
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:04:46 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I'm glad I stopped eating meat 20+ years ago...

Yehbut, can you be sure the vegetables you eat haven't been sprayed
with something nasty?

They probably have but at least I can wash and/or peel most fruit and
veg.


Doesn't necessarily help, if the spray has spread systemically through the
plant, either via the leaves, or by the roots ...

Arfa



Fish comes from incredibly polluted seas...

Don't eat fish either or chicken. Even if I was eating meat I think I'd
still avoid chicken.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 09/02/13 16:39, Arfa Daily wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 08/02/13 18:23, harry wrote:
On Feb 8, 2:44 pm, whisky-dave wrote:

We buy our stuff from the local butcher.

Not allowed to do that . EU rules mean that its legal to cart
horses,say from,Romania to a supermarket near you,. but its illegal to
slaughter a cow less than 100 miles away..

--


Explain ...?


EU regulations insist that meat cannot be sold except if its been killed
at a registered and licensed slaughterhouse. THis means live animals
have to be carted miles to one.

EU harmonisation and open borders means that meat that has been
slaughtered at a 'registered' slaughterhouse in Romania can be carried
to France and used to make horse burgers.

And the products shipped to Findus in the UK.


The only law that has been broken is mis representation on the packaging.

Assuming of course that the 'registered' Romanian slaughterhouse
actually conforms to EU regulations.


Arfa


--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 09/02/2013 16:35, Arfa Daily wrote:


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 08/02/13 12:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:

What I find rather disturbing is that no one in the whole long supply
chain, from abattoir to retail outlet, appears to have been routinely
testing that a batch of meat or product called "beef" really is 100%
beef.

How would you know?

DNA testing is scarcely the sort of thing that people engage in
routinely.

Company X decides that in practice people can barely tell horse from
cow, stars mixing in horse, and the frozen mince goes off to
McDonkeys suppliers, who use the sort of it in lasagne as well.

They undercut everyone else's prices, so guess who else start to copy.

Soon, as with banks, 'everybody is doing it' throwing in the rats
squirrels, dogs, deer - anything that is or can reasonably be
described as 'edible meat' goes in one end. and death burgers come
out the other.

And you thought Ankh Morpork was fictional.

Rat on a stick, eh? Yum!

Mate of mine always called it Kentucky Fried Rat back in the 60s

Does tend to stick in your mind a bit.


My missus insists that KFC stands for Kan't ****in' Cook ... :-)

Arfa

Dead-lucky Fried Buzzard.

But the problem with them is that they stink out several hundred metres
around each branch. Some take-aways smell nice even if they are
unhygienic and sell garbage - really don't know how a) they make so much
stink; b) they are allowed to do so. And it isn't a single branch - it
is everywhere.

--
Rod

On 09/02/2013 16:44, Arfa Daily wrote:


"DrTeeth" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:26:41 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, Chris J Dixon disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

I does make one wonder exactly what other foodstuffs are being
sold to us under false descriptions?

They do not have to be false. What do you think "made with ingredients
from natural sources" means?

Had it crossed your mind that a sewage farm is a natural source?


I think that may be stretching the whole argument just a *little* far ... ?

Arfa


People need to read very carefully.

Maybe not!

A medicine I know many take is made from what used to be slaughterhouse
waste. It is proclaimed by adherents as "Natural Desiccated Thyroid" and
hence wonderful.

I can certainly agree that it is good for some people, but calling it
"natural" is several steps too far for me. The number of steps between
the pig's throat being cut and the person's throat swallowing are for
too many, there are far too many "industrial" added ingredients. But
they do this because they see the standard pharmaceutical products as
being "synthetic" and "chemicals".

As I say, I have sympathy with the product because so many people are
better when taking it than on synthetic. But none with what I see as the
naive naming.

If they really want natural, first catch your pig...

--
Rod

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The only law that has been broken is mis representation on the packaging.

If they get the main ingredient wrong, isn't it likely all or many of the
others are too?

--
*Plagiarism saves time *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message , DrTeeth
writes
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:51:13 +0000, just as I was about to take a herb,
geoff disturbed my reverie and wrote:

That's just muscle spasms

Once that bolt's through the brain, the brain is mush

It is not done with surgical precision so you can not be sure. It is
still 'barbaric'.

I'd advise against your going to a moslem country for Eid al-Adha then
--
geoff

DrTeeth wrote
harry wrote

The animals are butchered in a barbaric fashion.
How these Jews get away with it I don't know.

There is no sanitary or pleasant way to slaughter animals.

Bull****. Stun then so the other animals cant see the one
being stunned killed and then kill it any way you like.

The Kosher method has a MUCH higher first-time kill rate than stunning.

More bull****, because you can kill them that way AFTER stunning first.

The knife is so sharp, no pain is felt.

Corse they never even notice they are dying, eh ?

I have cut myself with similarly sharp knives and felt nothing.

No one has tried to kill you that way, yet.

How these non Jews get away with it I do not know...it is so barbaric.
Having an animal writhing around after having a bolt shot through its
brain...

If its unconscious, it cant feel anything.

"DrTeeth" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:51:13 +0000, just as I was about to take a herb,
geoff disturbed my reverie and wrote:

That's just muscle spasms

Once that bolt's through the brain, the brain is mush

It is not done with surgical precision so you can not be sure.

Bull****.

It is still 'barbaric'.

More bull****. Instantly unconscious is a hell of a lot less
barbaric than the animal being aware that its being killed.

On 09/02/13 16:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The only law that has been broken is mis representation on the packaging.

Assuming of course that the 'registered' Romanian slaughterhouse
actually conforms to EU regulations.

As horse would attract a premium over beef in places where it is
consumed as such, it seems improbable that the horse that found its way
to Findus was such a quality product.

--
djc

In message , DrTeeth
writes
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 23:54:32 -0800 (PST), just as I was about to take a
herb, harry disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

The animals are butchered in a barbaric fashion. How these Jews get
away with it I don't know.

There is no sanitary or pleasant way to slaughter animals. The Kosher
method has a MUCH higher first-time kill rate than stunning. The knife
is so sharp, no pain is felt. I have cut myself with similarly sharp
knives and felt nothing.

How these non Jews get away with it I do not know...it is so barbaric.
Having an animal writhing around after having a bolt shot through its
brain...

I have seen a few cows killed by this method. There is no *writhing
around*. I have heard that a stick may be inserted and the brains
stirred but never seen.

The last was a horse with a broken foreleg, .38 hollow point through the
forehead, never twitched.

Cats on the other hand....

--
Tim Lamb