In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/02/13 14:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Socialists. Who have forever confused being in charge with knowing
how to run things, who have confused the appearance of probity with
genuine conscience and self discipline, and have been stupid enough
to elect left wing governments for the last 50 years under the stupid
impression that they actually gave a **** about anyone but themselves
and their career paths.

Barclay's Bank is run by socialists? Chris Huhne is one? Do you even
think before you rant?

yes and yes and yes.


Right. So you call anyone who screws up a socialist. As long as that's
clear.

--
*A closed mouth gathers no feet.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 15:25:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Not so silly - wasn't BSE something to do with feeding meat of some
processed sort to cattle?

sheep

Or at least ex sheep that had been rendered down for the protien. ISTR
that there was some change to the law that reduced the rendering
time/temperature and allowed the scrapie prion survive and thus end up in
the cattle feed. Prions are tough molecules:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion#Sterilization

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:04:46 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I'm glad I stopped eating meat 20+ years ago...

Yehbut, can you be sure the vegetables you eat haven't been sprayed
with something nasty?

They probably have but at least I can wash and/or peel most fruit and
veg.

Fish comes from incredibly polluted seas...

Don't eat fish either or chicken. Even if I was eating meat I think I'd
still avoid chicken.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 08/02/2013 16:05, Jethro_uk wrote:

On the one hand, this scandal just shows the weakness of trying to
provenance food in a global market - if halal, or kosher are important to
you, then you should perhaps be using a more locally based solution.

Where do think the local butcher, farm shop or farmers market source
their meat and other produce? The big London markets are a "local"
source for many around my way.

Your local lovable rouge will tell you anything you want to hear when
selling you horse meat burgers.


--
mailto:news{at}admac(dot}myzen{dot}co{dot}uk

The Natural Philosopher wrote
Dave Liquorice wrote

What I find rather disturbing is that no one in the whole long supply
chain, from abattoir to retail outlet, appears to have been routinely
testing that a batch of meat or product called "beef" really is 100%
beef.

How would you know?

DNA testing is scarcely the sort of thing that people engage in
routinely.

They do actually, specifically for that situation.

Much more commonly done with seafood where there is a hell
of a lot more alternatives and much more incentive to flog the
cheap **** as more expensive fish once its no long recognisable
once its been filleted etc.

Company X decides that in practice people can barely tell horse from cow,
stars mixing in horse, and the frozen mince goes off to McDonkeys
suppliers, who use the sort of it in lasagne as well.

Even sillier when horse meat is more expensive than non horse meat in
europe.

They undercut everyone else's prices,

They dont when horse meat is more expensive than non horse meat in europe.

so guess who else start to copy.

Soon, as with banks, 'everybody is doing it' throwing in the rats
squirrels, dogs, deer - anything that is or can reasonably be described as
'edible meat' goes in one end. and death burgers come out the other.

Completely off with the ****ing fairys, as always.

fred wrote
Dave Liquorice wrote
Lobster wrote

So whereas I expect Findus Horse Lasagane is perfectly normal safe and
OK in some places within the EU (ie, prepared to the same rules and
regs as any food shipped to the UK), it obviously ain't in Blighty; and
imagine it's a case of the wrong sort of meat going down the wrong
assemble line somewhere.

And have the wrong label applied? Beef Lasagne should be made from beef
not horse. If horse is a more expensive meat than beef it ain't going to
be your "prime cuts fit for human consumption" that has been used and
mislabeled either.

What I find rather disturbing is that no one in the whole long supply
chain, from abattoir to retail outlet, appears to have been routinely
testing that a batch of meat or product called "beef" really is 100%
beef.

Why was this only really picked up by random food testing by a small
countries government FSA?

I'm glad I stopped eating meat 20+ years ago...

But how would they differentiate between beef and horse meat
once it had been butchered ? DNA testing would hardly be feasible

It is in fact done routinely in that situation now.

Much more common with seafood because there
are a lot more alternatives with seafood and many
more opportunitys to flog the cheap stuff as the
more expensive fish once its been filleted and
quite hard to work out which is which.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
I'm glad I stopped eating meat 20+ years ago...

Yehbut, can you be sure the vegetables you eat haven't been sprayed with
something nasty? Fish comes from incredibly polluted seas...

And quite a bit of the fish comes from vastly more polluted
inland waterways and other obscenitys like that too.

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 08/02/13 12:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:

What I find rather disturbing is that no one in the whole long supply
chain, from abattoir to retail outlet, appears to have been routinely
testing that a batch of meat or product called "beef" really is 100%
beef.

How would you know?

DNA testing is scarcely the sort of thing that people engage in
routinely.

Company X decides that in practice people can barely tell horse from cow,
stars mixing in horse, and the frozen mince goes off to McDonkeys
suppliers, who use the sort of it in lasagne as well.

They undercut everyone else's prices, so guess who else start to copy.

Soon, as with banks, 'everybody is doing it' throwing in the rats
squirrels, dogs, deer - anything that is or can reasonably be described
as 'edible meat' goes in one end. and death burgers come out the other.

And you thought Ankh Morpork was fictional.

Rat on a stick, eh? Yum!

Mate of mine always called it Kentucky Fried Rat back in the 60s

Does tend to stick in your mind a bit.

"PeterC" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:45:31 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

On Friday 08 February 2013 12:46 Dave Liquorice wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:24:15 +0000, Lobster wrote:

So whereas I expect Findus Horse Lasagane is perfectly normal safe and
OK in some places within the EU (ie, prepared to the same rules and
regs as any food shipped to the UK), it obviously ain't in Blighty; and
imagine it's a case of the wrong sort of meat going down the wrong
assemble line somewhere.

And have the wrong label applied? Beef Lasagne should be made from beef
not horse. If horse is a more expensive meat than beef it ain't going to
be your "prime cuts fit for human consumption" that has been used and
mislabeled either.

No. It'll be horse testicles and arseholes instead of cow testicles and
arseholes...

That's due to yet more pollution - cows growing testicles. Load of... OK,
I'm going.

His mind was on udder things.

"Richard Russell" wrote in message
...
On Feb 8, 1:25 pm, fred wrote:
But how would they differentiate between beef and horse meat
once it had been butchered ? DNA testing would hardly be feasible

Whyever not? If they can sequence DNA from the 500-year-old bones of
Richard III, doing it from butchered (and indeed minced) meat - prior
to cooking that is - should be easy.

And its been done routinely with seafood for quite a while now.

Essentially because there is more opportunity to flog
cheap fish as more expensive fish when its been filleted.

DNA is after all a very stable molecule,
and it's in (virtually) every cell in the body.

That last is overstated, but not relevant to checking
if its horse meat or meat from cattle etc.

On Feb 8, 1:35*pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 08/02/13 13:11, AC wrote:



If I bought 4 burgers for a quid, I'd be amazed to discover
they had as much as 29% of any identifiable meat in them.
That's why I've never bought 4 burgers for a quid.

Are people really this stupid, in public?

Yes.



There is a list of ingredients on the back. One expects that to be
accurate. If it doesn't say horse, then one has every right to expect
there to be no horse.

One expects it to be pure marketing by and large.



By your moronic lack of logic, you would find it reasonable to find
coal, or absolutely anything in 99p burgers.

And indeed you will. Whatever they can get away with for some values oif
'they'

But that's fine because is
only poor people, right? Because you can afford more expensive burgers.

Its not fine. Its the real world. And the expensive burgers are
expensive because they do have the ingredients in them they claim to
have OK? and have all the bureaucracy surrounding them.

All your stupid 'social concern' will do is employ yet more jobsworths
in paper pushing and lead to there being no cheap burgers at all.

Typical British Im all right jack attitude. Yeah, **** every one else, aye?

And your measures will **** everyone.

Well, ****, Findus are supposed to be a bit more expensive. They are not
own label "****e", are they? So your own moronic nasty selfish bragging
argument is blown anyway.

We;ll there you go. Barclays bank were supposed to behave slightly
better than the third world bank of outer Mongolia. Chris Huhne was
supposed to behave better than a chav on an Essex council estate.

YOu wanted 'ordinary people' to run stuff, you said that toffs and
middle class people with 'standards' were nasty evil people with
privileges they didn't deserve.. Now you have chavs running everything
and you wonder why you cant trust anyone anymore.

Oh yeah, one class of people are this stupid in public. Smart arses.

Socialists. Who have forever confused being in charge with knowing how
to run things, who have confused the appearance of probity with genuine
conscience and self discipline, and have been stupid enough to elect
left wing governments for the last 50 years under the stupid impression
that they actually gave a **** about anyone but themselves and their
career paths.

**** me. I'm agreeing with TurNiP!

"PeterC" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:28:52 +0000, polygonum wrote:

On 08/02/2013 11:04, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
.....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

The only way they could claim that is if the meat came from a supply
farmed for human consumption and rigorously quality checked (as I hope
our
beef, lamb and pork is).

However if they lied once, how can they be trusted?

How do we know the horses weren't shot because they had an infectious
disease such as coughing, or expired just past the finishing post due to
over doping?

No doubt this story will run forever......

Cheers

Dave R

It has been suggested that they can trace every bit of beef back to the
bovine it came from. That was part of the whole BSE resolution.

Which bovine did this horsemeat come from? Are they feeding cows with
horses? silly comment - not to be taken as a serious, paranoid
suggestion

Not so silly - wasn't BSE something to do with feeding meat of some
processed sort to cattle?

Yes, sheep with scrapie. That's one theory, anyway. The
other is that it just developed in cattle spontaneously.

On Feb 8, 2:35*pm, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
*The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Socialists. Who have forever confused being in charge with knowing how
to run things, who have confused the appearance of probity with genuine
conscience and self discipline, and have been stupid enough to elect
left wing governments for the last 50 years under the stupid impression
that they actually gave a **** about anyone but themselves and their
career paths.

And who gave us the Staffordshire Hospital scenario. The complaint is
voiced that no one has been punished. Well, I'd say, let's start with a
certain T Blair and his lackeys who gave us the tickbox culture in the
first place.

The left has been giving us this "The NHS is sacred and thou shalt not
criticise our brave Nurses and Doctors on the Front Line" guff for years
now. Well, it's coming home to roost now. And I thought having the NHS
in the Olympic ceremony was laughable.


I used to work in the NHS (one the maintenance side)
That report is exactly right.
They parachuted people in and put them in charge that hadn't a clue
about how to run a health service.
It will take years to clear up if it's even possible.

A lot of nurses are well over qualified for the job. They don't want
to know about **** and ****. Which is what nursing is mostly all
about.

On Feb 8, 2:44*pm, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, February 8, 2013 1:23:46 PM UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/02/13 12:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:

What I find rather disturbing is that no one in the whole long supply

chain, from abattoir to retail outlet, appears to have been routinely

testing that a batch of meat or product called "beef" really is 100%

beef.

How would you know?

Usually the ideas is to have the ingedients listed.
The same goes for use by and sell by dates and price tickets/barcode.



DNA testing is scarcely *the sort of thing that people engage in routinely.

That's why you should only buy from reputable companies, whether or not people think Findus is reputable may change.



Company X decides that in practice people can barely tell horse from

cow,

How does company X know this ?

stars mixing in horse, and the frozen mince goes off to McDonkeys

suppliers, who use the sort of it in lasagne as well.
They undercut everyone else's prices, so guess who else start to copy.

Soon, as with banks, 'everybody is doing it' throwing in the rats

squirrels, dogs, deer - anything that is or can reasonably be described

as 'edible meat' goes in one end. and death burgers come out the other.

What hapopens when they start using non-meat perhaps some for of plastic with flavouring.... a bit like quorn .



And you thought Ankh Morpork was fictional.

I was thinking more along the lines of soylent green but who would eat green meat !!! pass the food colouring dear :-)

We buy our stuff from the local butcher.

On Feb 8, 3:25*pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 08/02/13 15:12, PeterC wrote:







On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:28:52 +0000, polygonum wrote:

On 08/02/2013 11:04, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
.....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

The only way they could claim that is if the meat came from a supply
farmed for human consumption and rigorously quality checked (as I hope our
beef, lamb and pork is).

However if they lied once, how can they be trusted?

How do we know the horses weren't shot because they had an infectious
disease such as coughing, or expired just past the finishing post due to
over doping?

No doubt this story will run forever......

Cheers

Dave R

It has been suggested that they can trace every bit of beef back to the
bovine it came from. That was part of the whole BSE resolution.

Which bovine did this horsemeat come from? Are they feeding cows with
horses? silly comment - not to be taken as a serious, paranoid suggestion

Not so silly - wasn't BSE something to do with feeding meat of some
processed sort to cattle?

sheep


Both.

AC wrote:
If I bought 4 burgers for a quid, I'd be amazed to discover
they had as much as 29% of any identifiable meat in them.
That's why I've never bought 4 burgers for a quid.


Are people really this stupid, in public?

Your post suggests that they are.


--
Adam

In message , Richard
writes
"PeterC" wrote in message
.. .

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:45:31 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

On Friday 08 February 2013 12:46 Dave Liquorice wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:24:15 +0000, Lobster wrote:

So whereas I expect Findus Horse Lasagane is perfectly normal safe and
OK in some places within the EU (ie, prepared to the same rules and
regs as any food shipped to the UK), it obviously ain't in Blighty; and
imagine it's a case of the wrong sort of meat going down the wrong
assemble line somewhere.

And have the wrong label applied? Beef Lasagne should be made from beef
not horse. If horse is a more expensive meat than beef it ain't going to
be your "prime cuts fit for human consumption" that has been used and
mislabeled either.

No. It'll be horse testicles and arseholes instead of cow testicles and
arseholes...

That's due to yet more pollution - cows growing testicles. Load of... OK,
I'm going.

His mind was on udder things.
Let's not start milking it
--
bert

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
And who gave us the Staffordshire Hospital scenario. The complaint is
voiced that no one has been punished. Well, I'd say, let's start with a
certain T Blair and his lackeys who gave us the tickbox culture in the
first place.

The left has been giving us this "The NHS is sacred and thou shalt not
criticise our brave Nurses and Doctors on the Front Line" guff for years
now. Well, it's coming home to roost now. And I thought having the NHS
in the Olympic ceremony was laughable.

The chap who was in charge of that NHS area is now in charge of the entire
NHS. Haven't noticed this government calling for his resignation.

Neither have the opposition and there lies much of the problem Their is
no concept of accountability across the whole of the public sector, not
just the NHS.
BP oil rig blew up and kills 11 people and the CEO has to go. Barclays
fiddle the Libor rate and the CEO has to go. Mid-Staffs kills 600 people
and the former Chief exec complains he is made a scapegoat and the other
guy says he did nothing wrong. Nothing will change unless the senior
managers accept accountability and if they won't accept it it should be
forced upon them. Quality is built into a system not inspected in.
--
bert

In message
,
harry writes
On Feb 8, 2:35*pm, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
*The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Socialists. Who have forever confused being in charge with knowing how
to run things, who have confused the appearance of probity with genuine
conscience and self discipline, and have been stupid enough to elect
left wing governments for the last 50 years under the stupid impression
that they actually gave a **** about anyone but themselves and their
career paths.

And who gave us the Staffordshire Hospital scenario. The complaint is
voiced that no one has been punished. Well, I'd say, let's start with a
certain T Blair and his lackeys who gave us the tickbox culture in the
first place.

The left has been giving us this "The NHS is sacred and thou shalt not
criticise our brave Nurses and Doctors on the Front Line" guff for years
now. Well, it's coming home to roost now. And I thought having the NHS
in the Olympic ceremony was laughable.


I used to work in the NHS (one the maintenance side)
That report is exactly right.
They parachuted people in and put them in charge that hadn't a clue
about how to run a health service.
It will take years to clear up if it's even possible.

A lot of nurses are well over qualified for the job. They don't want
to know about **** and ****. Which is what nursing is mostly all
about.

All nurses are over qualified - don't they have to have a degree now? It
used to be the student nurses who did this sort of thing.
--
bert

In message , polygonum
writes
On 08/02/2013 11:04, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
.....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

The only way they could claim that is if the meat came from a supply
farmed for human consumption and rigorously quality checked (as I hope our
beef, lamb and pork is).

However if they lied once, how can they be trusted?

How do we know the horses weren't shot because they had an infectious
disease such as coughing, or expired just past the finishing post due to
over doping?

No doubt this story will run forever......

Cheers

Dave R

Have to say, saddle of lamb is wonderful, so too saddle of beef or
venison. Not at all sure about saddle of ...

Don't the stirrups make carving difficult?

Let's rein in this thread
--
bert

In message , Frank Erskine
writes
On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:23:19 +0000, polygonum
wrote:

On 08/02/2013 11:04, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
.....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

The only way they could claim that is if the meat came from a supply
farmed for human consumption and rigorously quality checked (as I hope our
beef, lamb and pork is).

However if they lied once, how can they be trusted?

How do we know the horses weren't shot because they had an infectious
disease such as coughing, or expired just past the finishing post due to
over doping?

No doubt this story will run forever......

Cheers

Dave R

Have to say, saddle of lamb is wonderful, so too saddle of beef or
venison. Not at all sure about saddle of ...

Don't the stirrups make carving difficult?

Flogging a dead horse there...

Somebody's beaten him to it.
--
bert

On 08/02/13 18:23, harry wrote:
On Feb 8, 2:44 pm, whisky-dave wrote:

We buy our stuff from the local butcher.

Not allowed to do that . EU rules mean that its legal to cart horses,say
from,Romania to a supermarket near you,. but its illegal to slaughter a
cow less than 100 miles away..

--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

In message
,
harry writes

I was thinking more along the lines of soylent green but who would
eat green meat !!! pass the food colouring dear :-)

We buy our stuff from the local butcher.

Very wise, Harry.

BSE produced a raft of controls on farm livestock. Previously cattle
movements, sale or to different farm premises had to be recorded in a
book. This was available for inspection by the local trading standards
officer and was largely to do with notifiable disease control such as TB
or Foot and Mouth. Cattle were fitted with metal ear tags at birth.

Post BSE, distance readable ear tags were required and each bovine had a
*passport* issued by the cattle management service. Movements were
recorded centrally so cattle could be followed from birth to abattoir.
Dairy cows were not allowed into the food chain until fairly recently. A
vet has to be present at the abattoir to certify that a beast is fit for
consumption and checks for sign of undiagnosed TB lesions etc. Of course
none of this is perfect as it relies on human fallibility.

Horse passports are rather different in that veterinary treatment should
be recorded. Bute is not available off veterinary prescription but
Ireland had a bit of a reputation for *Angel dust* availability a few
years back.

I had to laugh at the NFU rep. struggling not to say that all food
products should be labelled with country of origin:-)

--
Tim Lamb

On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:17:48 +0000 (UTC), just as I was about to take a
herb, (Andrew Gabriel) disturbed my
reverie and wrote:

I stopped eating beef when BSE started, and I now only eat it
very occasionally, and only when it's still in an identifiable
state (not minced up).

You should do what many people did and do...eat kosher meat. It has
any nerve tissue removed to a very high surgical standard.
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 13:26:41 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, Chris J Dixon disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

I does make one wonder exactly what other foodstuffs are being
sold to us under false descriptions?

They do not have to be false. What do you think "made with ingredients
from natural sources" means?

Had it crossed your mind that a sewage farm is a natural source?
People need to read very carefully.
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 17:52:30 +0000 (GMT), just as I was about to take
a herb, "Dave Liquorice" disturbed my
reverie and wrote:

They probably have but at least I can wash and/or peel most fruit and
veg.

How do you ever know if you have done enough?
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 15:38:05 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, John Williamson disturbed my
reverie and wrote:

If there's unlabelled non-kosher or non-halal meat in an otherwise
kosher or halal meat product, then a *lot* of people are going to be
really annoyed about that.

Halal supervision is nowhere as strict as the kosher type. There is
more chance of Kojak rising from the dead and growing hair than
finding anything non-kosher in a kosher product.
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 05:20:08 +1100, just as I was about to take a herb,
"Rod Speed" disturbed my reverie and wrote:

The
other is that it just developed in cattle spontaneously.

How long before some nutter conspiracy theorist, the type that
believes the Mossad was responsible for 9/11, blames the Jews for
this?
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 14:35:18 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, Tim Streater disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

Well, I'd say, let's start with a
certain T Blair and his lackeys who gave us the tickbox culture in the
first place.

....and then the Tories for not a) getting rid of it and b) piling on
more crap.
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

On 08/02/2013 14:27, Tim Streater wrote:

Rat on a stick, eh? Yum!

I was thinking of CMOT Dibbler's products.

Andy

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:29:53 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, Another Dave disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

My local village butcher tells me 4 of his quarter pound burgers
contain 2 poundsworth of ingredients at cost price.

What proof have you that he is telling the truth?
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

On 08/02/2013 11:04, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
....then how can we trust them when they say
"Of course, the horse meat is completely safe to eat."

The only way they could claim that is if the meat came from a supply
farmed for human consumption and rigorously quality checked (as I hope our
beef, lamb and pork is).

However if they lied once, how can they be trusted?

How do we know the horses weren't shot because they had an infectious
disease such as coughing, or expired just past the finishing post due to
over doping?

No doubt this story will run forever......

Had a horse burger once...



gave me the trots!


--
Cheers,

John.

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On 08/02/2013 21:11, DrTeeth wrote:
On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 15:38:05 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, John Williamson disturbed my
reverie and wrote:

If there's unlabelled non-kosher or non-halal meat in an otherwise
kosher or halal meat product, then a *lot* of people are going to be
really annoyed about that.

Halal supervision is nowhere as strict as the kosher type. There is
more chance of Kojak rising from the dead and growing hair than
finding anything non-kosher in a kosher product.

Like:

Shechitas Bais Yosef was written in Hebrew letters on pork and other
non-kosher meats being sold at the Associated Supermarket in Sunnyside, NY.

Krill in sardines.

Anisakis infestation in the stomachs of sardines.

Insect infected raisins.

Hey! "Who loves ya, baby? Found this amazing minoxidil"

--
Rod

In article , djc wrote:

Some years ago I had an appointment with the MD at a company that
supplied pies, sausages, and ready-meals to various supermarkets. When I
arrived the meeting was rescheduled for another day: people from Tesco
had turned up to conduct a surprise inspection and that took priority
over everything else.


I know someone who used to work at a large frozen fruit/veg packing factory.
They pack frozen veg for most of the supermarkets and also Whitbread

Tescos perform surprise inspections, but only every so often. Sainsburys
turn up a lot more often when their stuff on the lines. Waitrose and M&S
have an inspector there all the time that their stuff is being packed...

They also had a line where frozen veg returned from supermarkets due to
being too close to the best before date is opened, and then repacked with
new dates...

This was a few years back now, but I suspect things haven't changed much

Darren

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 21:38:02 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, polygonum disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

Shechitas Bais Yosef was written in Hebrew letters on pork and other
non-kosher meats being sold at the Associated Supermarket in Sunnyside, NY.

It's obviously not a kosher product so does not apply. It is a FAKE
kosher product - with the crappy Ashkenazi *******isation of modern
Hebrew - shudder.
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
We may not be able to prevent the stormy times in
our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

On 08/02/2013 21:03, DrTeeth wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:17:48 +0000 (UTC), just as I was about to take a
herb, (Andrew Gabriel) disturbed my
reverie and wrote:

I stopped eating beef when BSE started, and I now only eat it
very occasionally, and only when it's still in an identifiable
state (not minced up).

You should do what many people did and do...eat kosher meat. It has
any nerve tissue removed to a very high surgical standard.

So its all fat then as you can't remove all the nerve tissue in the muscles.

On 08/02/2013 23:18, dennis@home wrote:
On 08/02/2013 21:03, DrTeeth wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:17:48 +0000 (UTC), just as I was about to take a
herb, (Andrew Gabriel) disturbed my
reverie and wrote:

I stopped eating beef when BSE started, and I now only eat it
very occasionally, and only when it's still in an identifiable
state (not minced up).

You should do what many people did and do...eat kosher meat. It has
any nerve tissue removed to a very high surgical standard.

So its all fat then as you can't remove all the nerve tissue in the
muscles.



Not many surgeons could remove all the small fibres.

--
Rod

On 08/02/2013 13:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/02/13 12:46, Dave Liquorice wrote:

What I find rather disturbing is that no one in the whole long supply
chain, from abattoir to retail outlet, appears to have been routinely
testing that a batch of meat or product called "beef" really is 100%
beef.


How would you know?


DNA testing is scarcely the sort of thing that people engage in routinely.

Company X decides that in practice people can barely tell horse from
cow, stars mixing in horse, and the frozen mince goes off to McDonkeys
suppliers, who use the sort of it in lasagne as well.

I bet they don't find any horse in Mcds.

On 08/02/2013 13:26, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

What I find rather disturbing is that no one in the whole long supply
chain, from abattoir to retail outlet, appears to have been routinely
testing that a batch of meat or product called "beef" really is 100%
beef.

Why was this only really picked up by random food testing by a small
countries government FSA?

I'm glad I stopped eating meat 20+ years ago...

Me too ;-)

I does make one wonder exactly what other foodstuffs are being
sold to us under false descriptions?

Quorn as a veggi food, it has chicken egg in it.
It does actually say that somewhere but veggies don't read much.


Reading accounts of the sort of adulteration that was common in
less enlightened times, used to feel like ancient history. Now I
am pondering how much we have actually moved forward.

Chris

In message , Tim Watts
writes
On Friday 08 February 2013 12:46 Dave Liquorice wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 11:24:15 +0000, Lobster wrote:

So whereas I expect Findus Horse Lasagane is perfectly normal safe and
OK in some places within the EU (ie, prepared to the same rules and
regs as any food shipped to the UK), it obviously ain't in Blighty; and
imagine it's a case of the wrong sort of meat going down the wrong
assemble line somewhere.

And have the wrong label applied? Beef Lasagne should be made from beef
not horse. If horse is a more expensive meat than beef it ain't going to
be your "prime cuts fit for human consumption" that has been used and
mislabeled either.


No. It'll be horse testicles and arseholes instead of cow testicles and
arseholes...




Ah, that has a different ring to it

no more transgender meat then

--
geoff