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On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 16:55:05 -0700, Mark & Juanita
calmly ranted: On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:28:58 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote: On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 02:21:44 GMT, "mark" calmly ranted: 49% of the population is "out-of-touch"? With what, asshole? Nice. I voted for Badnarik. I tell you what I tell my liberal friends. Just because you make the most noise, doesn't mean you're suddenly a majority. Better luck next time. For us, too. We need to get Libertarians in every office, starting at the bottom. 600 there need to move up into Senate and House seats to get anything real done in this society. sigh As a libertarian, don't you really want them *not* to do things? That certainly is my preference for those in government. Au contraire, mon ami. We need them to FIX the gov't by UNDOING many of the laws they passed and unnecessary regulation, etc. We can save BILLIONS in the fake "war on drugs" alone. That means fewer taxes they rob from us. Repeat lebenty seben times. -- Sex is Evil, Evil is Sin, Sin is Forgiven. Gee, ain't religion GREAT? --------------------------------------------- http://diversify.com Sin-free Website Design |
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"Al Reid" wrote in message ...
"Fletis Humplebacker" ! wrote in message ... "Bob Schmall" Was there something you didn't understand about "VOTE?" I did it four times this morning already. I'm gettin' the hang of it! Voting machines in Philadelphia were found to have had over 2000 votes recorded BEFORE the polls opened. It was spotted by poll workers. No word are to who was leading in the pre-election vote count. Latest word is that the report was unfounded. Whether an honest error or part of someone's 'get out the vote' campaign I do not know. -- FF |
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On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 01:05:17 GMT, patriarch
calmly ranted: "James T. Kirby" wrote in : snip Voting for democrats at the county and state level out of revulsion for the republican ideology at the national level is one thing. Voting for some of them based on personal attributes ... dicey stuff. What about voting for the office seeker that you feel you can trust most (or more accurately, distrust least)? I am a registered Republican, in California, for over 30 years. I don't recall voting for a single Republican on this last ballot. It was very strange. All I can say is Atta Boy, G. (WTF is your first name, anyway? I've been calling you Pat for short.) --- In Christianity, neither morality nor religion comes into contact with reality at any point. --FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE --------------------------------------------------------------- - http://diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development - |
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Larry Jaques wrote in
: snip All I can say is Atta Boy, G. (WTF is your first name, anyway? I've been calling you Pat for short.) What's the old joke? Call me what you want, just not late for dinner? (BTW, it's Glenn, but there are/were several so named already here, some of whom held/expressed opinions with which I did not wish to be associated...) So I actually thought the whole thing through, and voted for this Badarik fellow. Seemed like a fairly harmless means of expressing distaste for the two major party candidates, without simply not voting. Not voting was never an option. Neither was voting for Ralph or one of the nutcases. It's Saturday, and many of the election signs are down now, with only a few stragglers. The radio is full of whiners, and folks threatening to emigrate to Canada or New Zealand in protest, as if those two fine countries deserved them. California is a beautiful place, with diverse attitudes and cultures and industries and values. But folks here sometimes forget that people elsewhere are welcome to their opinions and religions, and they don't always have to bend their thinking to match what the coasters think they ought to believe. It's still a republic, one blessed with wealth, power, responsibilities and great, deep problems, in a world of neighbors entitles to their opinions and religions. Not likely that we will all be singing Kumbaya any time soon.... Patriarch |
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 04:09:39 GMT, patriarch
calmly ranted: What's the old joke? Call me what you want, just not late for dinner? (BTW, it's Glenn, but there are/were several so named already here, some of whom held/expressed opinions with which I did not wish to be associated...) I figured it was either Glen or Gary, but not Glenn.  So I actually thought the whole thing through, and voted for this Badarik fellow. Seemed like a fairly harmless means of expressing distaste for the two major party candidates, without simply not voting. Not voting was never an option. Neither was voting for Ralph or one of the nutcases. I'm amazed that he got as few votes as he did. The two parties have The People wrapped up in their corrupt little fingers, wot? mega sigh It's Saturday, and many of the election signs are down now, with only a few stragglers. The radio is full of whiners, and folks threatening to emigrate to Canada or New Zealand in protest, as if those two fine countries deserved them. California is a beautiful place, with diverse attitudes and cultures and industries and values. But folks here sometimes forget that people elsewhere are welcome to their opinions and religions, and they don't always have to bend their thinking to match what the coasters think they ought to believe. Yeah, most of the signs are down here, too. I think it's safe to take the neighbor's Kerry sign down. She moved out before the election. Tuesday is trash day and it'll be in there, where it belongs. It's still a republic, one blessed with wealth, power, responsibilities and great, deep problems, in a world of neighbors entitles to their opinions True. I just wish our fearful leader believed that and stopped POKING the millions of Muslims out there. They're going to be stopping by here shortly and laying far too many of our people to rest, ALL because our "leaders" wouldn't listen. I've been reading "Imperial Hubris" and the author studied bin Laden, stating that the man keeps his word. bL says "Don't mess with us and we won't mess with you." but Shrub still goes after the Islamic territories. They won't be bombing other places any longer. Shrub is bringing it home to us, darnit. I, for one, can't forgive that kind of arrogance and stupidity. But I've never voted for him, either. Ready for the impeachment? grumble and religions. Not likely that we will all be singing Kumbaya any time soon.... Thank God/Buddha/Allah/Higher Power for that little blessing. -- The State always moves slowly and grudgingly towards any purpose that accrues to society's advantage, but moves rapidly and with alacrity towards one that accrues to its own advantage; nor does it ever move towards social purposes on its own initiative, but only under heavy pressure, while its motion towards anti-social purposes is self-sprung. - Albert Jay Nock - http://diversify.com Web Programming for curmudgeons and others. - |
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"George" george@least wrote:
You ought to go out and buy a copy of _The Devil's Dictionary_ it's a true curmudgeon's dream. I have it as an ebook, just have not managed to find time to read it. Thanks for the endorsement, Wes -- Reply to: Whiskey Echo Sierra Sierra AT Gee Tee EYE EYE dot COM Lycos address is a spam trap. |
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:09:07 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:
True. I just wish our fearful leader believed that and stopped POKING the millions of Muslims out there. They're going to be stopping by here shortly and laying far too many of our people to rest, ALL because our "leaders" wouldn't listen. I've been reading "Imperial Hubris" and the author studied bin Laden, stating that the man keeps his word. bL says "Don't mess with us and we won't mess with you." but Shrub still goes after the Islamic territories. They won't be bombing other places any longer. Shrub is bringing it home to us, darnit. I, for one, can't forgive that kind of arrogance and stupidity. But I've never voted for him, either. Ready for the impeachment? grumble Since you're so willing to take UBL at his word, I'm sure you're aware that when asked what it'd take to get him to stop attacking us, he replied "when you are all dead or converted to Islam". So, if he's to be believed, us running home and cowering with our tail between our legs won't deter him. He doesn't hate us for what we've done - he wants to murder us because of who we are - infidels. I'd be a little more concerned about UBL forcing his beliefs on you rather thn GWB. -Doug |
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Doug Winterburn writes:
I'd be a little more concerned about UBL forcing his beliefs on you rather thn GWB. True. But why not solve it the old-fashioned way: give each of them a straight razor and put them in a dark room, no larger than 12' x 12'. Lock the door and come back a week later. Charlie Self "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." Abraham Lincoln |
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:57:11 +0000, Charlie Self wrote:
Doug Winterburn writes: I'd be a little more concerned about UBL forcing his beliefs on you rather thn GWB. True. But why not solve it the old-fashioned way: give each of them a straight razor and put them in a dark room, no larger than 12' x 12'. Lock the door and come back a week later. Unfair advantage UBL - he's used to living in dark caves. -Doug |
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Doug Winterburn responds:
True. But why not solve it the old-fashioned way: give each of them a straight razor and put them in a dark room, no larger than 12' x 12'. Lock the door and come back a week later. Unfair advantage UBL - he's used to living in dark caves. Well, I'm not sure that would be an advantage overall. He's also used to desert living, so he should be easy to find by smell. Charlie Self "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." Abraham Lincoln |
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:44:50 -0700, Doug Winterburn
calmly ranted: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:09:07 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote: True. I just wish our fearful leader believed that and stopped POKING the millions of Muslims out there. They're going to be stopping by here shortly and laying far too many of our people to rest, ALL because our "leaders" wouldn't listen. I've been reading "Imperial Hubris" and the author studied bin Laden, stating that the man keeps his word. bL says "Don't mess with us and we won't mess with you." but Shrub still goes after the Islamic territories. They won't be bombing other places any longer. Shrub is bringing it home to us, darnit. I, for one, can't forgive that kind of arrogance and stupidity. But I've never voted for him, either. Ready for the impeachment? grumble Since you're so willing to take UBL at his word, I'm sure you're aware that when asked what it'd take to get him to stop attacking us, he replied "when you are all dead or converted to Islam". So, if he's to be Cite the source document, please. Only the Saudi interpretation of Islam is incompatible with "infidels". The rest are mellow folks. (Like most Christians aren't rabid Jesus freak fundies.) believed, us running home and cowering with our tail between our legs won't deter him. He doesn't hate us for what we've done - he wants to murder us because of who we are - infidels. I'd be a little more concerned about UBL forcing his beliefs on you rather thn GWB. No, Doug. That's mythology. Most Muslims, including UBM, don't hate us for who we are or what we think. They hate us for what we are -doing- in their world to their religion and their people. Note the difference. They get along fine with non-Muslim countries who aren't setting their oil prices and invading their countries to put military bases there. Pick up a copy of "Imperial Hubris". It's truly an eye-opener. -- The State always moves slowly and grudgingly towards any purpose that accrues to society's advantage, but moves rapidly and with alacrity towards one that accrues to its own advantage; nor does it ever move towards social purposes on its own initiative, but only under heavy pressure, while its motion towards anti-social purposes is self-sprung. - Albert Jay Nock - http://diversify.com Web Programming for curmudgeons and others. - |
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Doug Winterburn wrote:
Unfair advantage UBL - he's used to living in dark caves. Yeah - but it doesn't look like he's acquired any serious expertise with a razors... -- Morris Dovey DeSoto, Iowa USA |
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This guy put together a correlation of state IQ averages and
election results. I'm not sure that it means anything; but thought it interesting enough to sha http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm There are links to correlations between the state voting results and income, percentage of population with college degrees, and divorce rates. Sadly, I couldn't find any correlation to Normite/Neander woodworkers... -- Morris Dovey DeSoto, Iowa USA |
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In article , Morris Dovey wrote:
This guy put together a correlation of state IQ averages and election results. I'm not sure that it means anything; but thought it interesting enough to sha http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm Did you see the part about it possibly being a hoax? -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com) Get a copy of my NEW AND IMPROVED TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter by sending email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com You must use your REAL email address to get a response. |
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"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. com... In article , Morris Dovey wrote: This guy put together a correlation of state IQ averages and election results. I'm not sure that it means anything; but thought it interesting enough to sha http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm Did you see the part about it possibly being a hoax? -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com) It was definitely setting off the bull**** meter on my computer. |
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Doug Miller wrote:
http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm Did you see the part about it possibly being a hoax? How can *actual information* be a hoax? If you do have a reliable source that contradicts the numbers appearing on the table (either the electoral results or the reported IQ average for each state), I would be happy to hear it and dismiss the above link as a hoax. Carlos -- |
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Doug Miller wrote:
http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm Did you see the part about it possibly being a hoax? Did *you*? The part about *possibly* being a hoax was about the 2000 election -- and that same person pointing that out reports that he confirmed the 2004 correlation for number of College graduates (instead of average IQ). Carlos -- |
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In article , Scott Cramer wrote:
(Doug Miller) wrote in .com: Did you see the part about it possibly being a hoax? And did YOU see the part about correlation of voting and income: http://sq.4mg.com/stateIQ-income.htm BIg deal -- IQ spread is from 94 to 104, hardly something of statistical significance. and voting and education: http://www.ginandtacos.com/education.jpg Most obvious explanation there is that the more time people spend in the leftist-dominated world of academia, the more likely they are to vote for leftists. Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com) Get a copy of my NEW AND IMPROVED TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter by sending email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com You must use your REAL email address to get a response. |
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In article , Carlos Moreno wrote:
Doug Miller wrote: http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm Did you see the part about it possibly being a hoax? How can *actual information* be a hoax? It's *purported* to be actual information. The page itself admits that it may not *really* be actual information. If you do have a reliable source that contradicts the numbers appearing on the table (either the electoral results or the reported IQ average for each state), I would be happy to hear it and dismiss the above link as a hoax. Hellooooo... did you read the page in question? Carlos -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com) Get a copy of my NEW AND IMPROVED TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter by sending email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com You must use your REAL email address to get a response. |
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In article , Carlos Moreno wrote:
Doug Miller wrote: http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm Did you see the part about it possibly being a hoax? Did *you*? The part about *possibly* being a hoax was about the 2000 election -- and that same person pointing that out reports that he confirmed the 2004 correlation for number of College graduates (instead of average IQ). Educational level does not correlate with IQ well enough to serve as a substitute for it. There is *no* source presented for the IQ figures on that page. In fact, the whole thing looks very much like somebody took the hoax page for the 2000 election and simply substituted Kerry's name for Gore's, not even being clever enough to remove the references to 2000. Until such time as the figures may be shown to be accurate, there's no reason to take them seriously. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com) Get a copy of my NEW AND IMPROVED TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter by sending email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com You must use your REAL email address to get a response. |
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Matter of fact, with the lack of academic scholarships, and the plethora of
"diversity-building" free rides, it seems there's a reversal in process. Oh yes, if whatshisname was a true liberal, he'd be preaching the injustice of a culturally-biased test .... "Doug Miller" wrote in message . com... Educational level does not correlate with IQ well enough to serve as a substitute for it. |
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Doug Miller wrote:
Did you see the part about it possibly being a hoax? Yuppers. It pretty much goes without saying that any statement or claim relating to politics shouldn't be taken too seriously without verification (which I, of course, can't provide.) Nevertheless, I did find it interesting - and think it would be /very/ much more interesting if it could be verified. Even if totally true, however, I'd still not be overwhelmingly convinced that it's meaningful (strong correlations frequently aren't.) -- Morris Dovey DeSoto, Iowa USA |
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Morris Dovey notes:
Doug Miller wrote: Did you see the part about it possibly being a hoax? Yuppers. It pretty much goes without saying that any statement or claim relating to politics shouldn't be taken too seriously without verification (which I, of course, can't provide.) Nevertheless, I did find it interesting - and think it would be /very/ much more interesting if it could be verified. Even if totally true, however, I'd still not be overwhelmingly convinced that it's meaningful (strong correlations frequently aren't.) Sort of like, 100% of heroin addicts drink water; water causes heroin addiction? Charlie Self "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." Abraham Lincoln |
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Carlos Moreno wrote in message ...
Doug Miller wrote: http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm Did you see the part about it possibly being a hoax? How can *actual information* be a hoax? If you do have a reliable source that contradicts the numbers appearing on the table (either the electoral results or the reported IQ average for each state), I would be happy to hear it and dismiss the above link as a hoax. The notion that the average IQ in a State would vary from a high of 113 to a low of 85 is pretty far-fetched. Depending on how they were standardized that is a spread of two or three standard deviations. On it's face, it's not credible. -- FF |
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Morris Dovey wrote in message ...
This guy put together a correlation of state IQ averages and election results. I'm not sure that it means anything; but thought it interesting enough to sha http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm That one's a hoax. This one at least looks credible: http://sq.4mg.com/stateIQ-income.htm -- FF |
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"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
... Doug Miller wrote: Did you see the part about it possibly being a hoax? Yuppers. It pretty much goes without saying that any statement or claim relating to politics shouldn't be taken too seriously without verification (which I, of course, can't provide.) Nevertheless, I did find it interesting - and think it would be /very/ much more interesting if it could be verified. Even if totally true, however, I'd still not be overwhelmingly convinced that it's meaningful (strong correlations frequently aren't.) It has been pretty thoroughly debunked. You can find it on a web search. dwhite |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 06:42:26 -0600, Morris Dovey wrote:
This guy put together a correlation of state IQ averages and election results. I'm not sure that it means anything; but thought it interesting enough to sha http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm There are links to correlations between the state voting results and income, percentage of population with college degrees, and divorce rates. Sadly, I couldn't find any correlation to Normite/Neander woodworkers... Putting aside all the liberal excuses/explanations, this is a much more to the point analysis of the 2004 election results: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20041109.shtml -Doug |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:44:50 -0700, Doug Winterburn calmly ranted: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:09:07 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote: True. I just wish our fearful leader believed that and stopped POKING the millions of Muslims out there. They're going to be stopping by here shortly and laying far too many of our people to rest, ALL because our "leaders" wouldn't listen. I've been reading "Imperial Hubris" and the author studied bin Laden, stating that the man keeps his word. bL says "Don't mess with us and we won't mess with you." but Shrub still goes after the Islamic territories. They won't be bombing other places any longer. Shrub is bringing it home to us, darnit. I, for one, can't forgive that kind of arrogance and stupidity. But I've never voted for him, either. Ready for the impeachment? grumble Since you're so willing to take UBL at his word, I'm sure you're aware that when asked what it'd take to get him to stop attacking us, he replied "when you are all dead or converted to Islam". So, if he's to be Cite the source document, please. Only the Saudi interpretation of Islam is incompatible with "infidels". The rest are mellow folks. (Like most Christians aren't rabid Jesus freak fundies.) Earth to Larry, Osama Bin Laden _is_ Saudi, and his interpretation of Islam is loony even by their standards, which is one of the reasons that his family long since disowned him. believed, us running home and cowering with our tail between our legs won't deter him. He doesn't hate us for what we've done - he wants to murder us because of who we are - infidels. I'd be a little more concerned about UBL forcing his beliefs on you rather thn GWB. No, Doug. That's mythology. Most Muslims, including UBM, Who is "UBM"? don't hate us for who we are or what we think. This is true. Most of them don't hate us at all. Most of them just want to be left the Hell alone, just like the rest of us. They hate us for what we are -doing- in their world to their religion and their people. No, they don't hate us at all. Osama Bin Laden and company are not "most Muslims" and do not speak for "most Muslims". And they don't hate the US either. They just want to spread their particular loony-tune interpretation of Islam across the world and they don't care who gets hurt while they do it. Note the difference. They get along fine with non-Muslim countries who aren't setting their oil prices and invading their countries to put military bases there. Pick up a copy of "Imperial Hubris". It's truly an eye-opener. So be kind enough to explain why Al Qaeda is blowing up Buddhist temples and killing other Muslims. What did the Buddhists do to them? Larry, don't take this the wrong way, but you don't have a clue what you're talking about. "If you don't bother them they won't bother you" doesn't work with bullies, and that is exactly what Osama and company are. -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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GregP wrote in message . ..
On 9 Nov 2004 17:12:33 -0800, (Fred the Red Shirt) wrote: The notion that the average IQ in a State would vary from a high of 113 to a low of 85 is pretty far-fetched. Depending on how they were standardized that is a spread of two or three standard deviations. On it's face, it's not credible. A statewide IQ of 85 is not credible either: anything below mid-nineties would be suspect. As would one as high as 113. That is what I meant, but phrased it badly. s/average IQ in a State/average IQ of the States/ That's better. -- FF |
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Doug Winterburn wrote in message ...
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:09:07 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote: True. I just wish our fearful leader believed that and stopped POKING the millions of Muslims out there. They're going to be stopping by here shortly and laying far too many of our people to rest, ALL because our "leaders" wouldn't listen. I've been reading "Imperial Hubris" and the author studied bin Laden, stating that the man keeps his word. bL says "Don't mess with us and we won't mess with you." but Shrub still goes after the Islamic territories. They won't be bombing other places any longer. Shrub is bringing it home to us, darnit. I, for one, can't forgive that kind of arrogance and stupidity. But I've never voted for him, either. Ready for the impeachment? grumble Since you're so willing to take UBL at his word, I'm sure you're aware that when asked what it'd take to get him to stop attacking us, he replied "when you are all dead or converted to Islam". Given the choice, I would accept the former. So, if he's to be believed, us running home and cowering with our tail between our legs won't deter him. He doesn't hate us for what we've done - he wants to murder us because of who we are - infidels. I'd be a little more concerned about UBL forcing his beliefs on you rather thn GWB. But OBL doesn't (or at least shouldn't) play a part in U.S. legislation or appointing U.S. Supreme Court justices. The religious right is just a softer version of fanatical muslims, i.e. forcing their version of spirituality/morality on everybody. My response to that is the same as above, but it will not occur while cowering with my tail between my legs (i.e. I will not accept supernatural nonsense just because people short on reason think it's best for me). Cheers, Mike btw: The far left are equally complicit in forcing their ideologies upon the masses, they just don't seem to have attracted as large of a following as the right. |
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In article , (Fred the Red Shirt) wrote:
Morris Dovey wrote in message ... This guy put together a correlation of state IQ averages and election results. I'm not sure that it means anything; but thought it interesting enough to sha http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm That one's a hoax. This one at least looks credible: http://sq.4mg.com/stateIQ-income.htm Plausible, anyway. Interesting figures from the Nov 15 issue of Newsweek on voting data by education level: Did not finish high school: Kerry 50%, Bush 49 High school grads: Bush 51, Kerry 47 College grads: Bush 51, Kerry 48 -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com) Get a copy of my NEW AND IMPROVED TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter by sending email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com You must use your REAL email address to get a response. |
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:32:26 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:
Since you're so willing to take UBL at his word, I'm sure you're aware that when asked what it'd take to get him to stop attacking us, he replied "when you are all dead or converted to Islam". So, if he's to be Cite the source document, please. Only the Saudi interpretation of Islam is incompatible with "infidels". The rest are mellow folks. (Like most Christians aren't rabid Jesus freak fundies.) This one states it pretty well: http://www.stonebriarchurch.org/jihad_-_a_holy_war.htm And since you're into blogs as valid sources: http://www.culteducation.com/binladen.html http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html By mellow, do you mean those sweet little Palastinian mamas yodelling (or whatever that yiyiyiyiyiyi.. thing is) in glee at the news of thousands of American civilians being murdered on 9/11/2001? I don't need a cite for this as I watched it in disbelief and horror. Will the real mellow Muslims please stand up? Again, Larry - even if no US citizen ever leaves American shores again, the Islamic terrorists will come here to murder us into conversion to Islam. And again, it isn't because of anything we have done - it's because of who we are - infidels. -Doug |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:59:33 -0700, Doug Winterburn
calmly ranted: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:32:26 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote: Since you're so willing to take UBL at his word, I'm sure you're aware that when asked what it'd take to get him to stop attacking us, he replied "when you are all dead or converted to Islam". So, if he's to be Cite the source document, please. Only the Saudi interpretation of Islam is incompatible with "infidels". The rest are mellow folks. (Like most Christians aren't rabid Jesus freak fundies.) This one states it pretty well: http://www.stonebriarchurch.org/jihad_-_a_holy_war.htm A nice, even-headed, non-judgmental CHRISTIAN source for info on Islam? Good shew! Remember that many Christian prophets feel that God's word has to be spread as well. Bummer, dude. And since you're into blogs as valid sources: http://www.culteducation.com/binladen.html http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html By mellow, do you mean those sweet little Palastinian mamas yodelling (or whatever that yiyiyiyiyiyi.. thing is) in glee at the news of thousands of American civilians being murdered on 9/11/2001? I don't need a cite for this as I watched it in disbelief and horror. If you don't recognize that as a sound byte, you're in trouble, Doug. Read my paragraph below and think about that byte again perhaps with a new perspective. Will the real mellow Muslims please stand up? Again, Larry - even if no US citizen ever leaves American shores again, the Islamic terrorists will come here to murder us into conversion to Islam. And again, it isn't because of anything we have done - it's because of who we are - infidels. Granted, bin Laden IS dangerous, but put yourself in his shoes. Look at us through his eyes. He sees us invading Muslim lands and killing Muslims. If you were from the ME, what would you think of us? What I espouse is limiting our exposure to their countries in an attempt to defuse the situation and have them call off the fatwa/jihad. Shrub is totally oblivious to that concept. He thinks he's a prophet, so God help us! We obviously disagree on the threat, so I'll end it here, hoping that you'll find and read those books. Hoping more that our administration will do so as well. ------------------------------------------------------------- * * Humorous T-shirts Online * Norm's Got Strings * Wondrous Website Design * * http://www.diversify.com ------------------------------------------------------------- |
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