Just got the latest issue of WOOD Magazine in the mail yesterday...

Took me about 5 minutes to read it cover to cover. Gheeez, is it me or
this magazine has been pumping some pretty deceptive issues in the
past 4-5 months? They keep showing off some old furniture made out of
oak. Eurk! Arts & Crafts has been all over the magazines for decades.
Thousands of versions have been made of the same damn coffee table,
nightstand, bed, dresser, chest of drawers, etc. Can we see some other
projects made with something else than oak?

I'm already regretting my 2 years subscription.

Oh ho, almost 4h00PM, it's time for my pill.


Cyberben

I hear you, Ben.

I got mine yesterday as well, and for the most part thought it was a load of
crud. Popular woodworking has become my favorite magazine, followed closely
by FWW. The rest of them seem to be doing just what you say - rehashing the
same old things. And this is coming from someone that's only been
woodworking about 3.5 years!

SWMBO was nice enough to give me a 3 year subscription to WOOD. I guess we
can only hope it will improve (as well as write nice letters to the editor
encouraging them to do so).

I did see that Pat Warner will be contributing to the next issue, so that's
something to look forward to.

Mike

"BeniBoose" wrote in message
om...
Just got the latest issue of WOOD Magazine in the mail yesterday...

Took me about 5 minutes to read it cover to cover. Gheeez, is it me or
this magazine has been pumping some pretty deceptive issues in the
past 4-5 months? They keep showing off some old furniture made out of
oak. Eurk! Arts & Crafts has been all over the magazines for decades.
Thousands of versions have been made of the same damn coffee table,
nightstand, bed, dresser, chest of drawers, etc. Can we see some other
projects made with something else than oak?

I'm already regretting my 2 years subscription.

Oh ho, almost 4h00PM, it's time for my pill.


Cyberben

I share your pain. I am about 1/2 way through a free 2 year subscription
(airline miles promotion) and wish I had selected another box. I had picked
WOOD up on the news stand years ago and enjoyed it, but they seem to be on a
mission furniture and crafts binge. I do appreciate their tool reviews
because they have provided timely coverage for my last two buys.

Other than that, kinda disappointed. Maybe I am moving boyond the crafts
stage in my craft -- Naaawwww!

WOOD can be very hit or miss, the have a lot of projects that I'm never
going to build, and it doesn't seam as well rounded. A fiend gave me a
subscription to Wood****h I like it a lot better for the projects, and WWJ
for basic woodworking knowledge, reviews, and such

just the thoughts of a addict jonesing for his next WWM to arrive

BeniBoose wrote:

Just got the latest issue of WOOD Magazine in the mail yesterday...

Took me about 5 minutes to read it cover to cover. Gheeez, is it me or
this magazine has been pumping some pretty deceptive issues in the
past 4-5 months? They keep showing off some old furniture made out of
oak. Eurk! Arts & Crafts has been all over the magazines for decades.
Thousands of versions have been made of the same damn coffee table,
nightstand, bed, dresser, chest of drawers, etc. Can we see some other
projects made with something else than oak?

I'm already regretting my 2 years subscription.

Oh ho, almost 4h00PM, it's time for my pill.


Cyberben

"BeniBoose" wrote in message
om...
Just got the latest issue of WOOD Magazine in the mail yesterday...

Took me about 5 minutes to read it cover to cover. Gheeez, is it me or
this magazine has been pumping some pretty deceptive issues in the
past 4-5 months? They keep showing off some old furniture made out of
oak. Eurk! Arts & Crafts has been all over the magazines for decades.
Thousands of versions have been made of the same damn coffee table,
nightstand, bed, dresser, chest of drawers, etc. Can we see some other
projects made with something else than oak?

Gotta agree. The thing has slipped badly in the past year.

Bob

Mike in Mystic wrote:
Popular woodworking has become my favorite magazine, followed closely
by FWW.


Ditto the comment on Popular Woodworking. Also, I haven't
been paying too close attention for a while but the other
day while at the Leebrary I scanned a couple/few issues of
Work Bench (Workbench?) and damn, that one really has turned
out to be worth at least buying from time to time.


I did see that Pat Warner will be contributing to the next issue, so that's
something to look forward to.


Next month's Wood is promising The Ultimate Router Fence.
I'd be happy with An Ultimate Router Fence to go with An
Ultimate Router Table.

UA100

Subscribed to Wood a number of years ago. I do think it has declined a
little. I let it expire. Can't seem to give up on FWW, AW and WWJ. I
picked up an issue of Woodwork at Borders. Couldn't help myself. Read
it and entered a subscription through Amazon. Looks good. Wish me
luck. (Confessions of a woodworking magazine junky). Anybody have
opinions of Woodwork?

bob g.

RonB wrote:
I share your pain. I am about 1/2 way through a free 2 year subscription
(airline miles promotion) and wish I had selected another box. I had picked
WOOD up on the news stand years ago and enjoyed it, but they seem to be on a
mission furniture and crafts binge. I do appreciate their tool reviews
because they have provided timely coverage for my last two buys.

Other than that, kinda disappointed. Maybe I am moving boyond the crafts
stage in my craft -- Naaawwww!

Ditto here !!You must have heard me when I said to myself what a waste of
postage and paper.

Did anyone notice that the Titebond add was gone from the back cover??
Hmmmm, maybe we'll get another Gluedown in the next issue.

Rich



"BeniBoose" wrote in message
om...
Just got the latest issue of WOOD Magazine in the mail yesterday...

Took me about 5 minutes to read it cover to cover. Gheeez, is it me or
this magazine has been pumping some pretty deceptive issues in the
past 4-5 months? They keep showing off some old furniture made out of
oak. Eurk! Arts & Crafts has been all over the magazines for decades.
Thousands of versions have been made of the same damn coffee table,
nightstand, bed, dresser, chest of drawers, etc. Can we see some other
projects made with something else than oak?

I'm already regretting my 2 years subscription.

Oh ho, almost 4h00PM, it's time for my pill.


Cyberben

Robert Galloway wrote in message
...
Subscribed to Wood a number of years ago. I do think it has declined a
little. I let it expire. Can't seem to give up on FWW, AW and WWJ. I
picked up an issue of Woodwork at Borders. Couldn't help myself. Read
it and entered a subscription through Amazon. Looks good. Wish me
luck. (Confessions of a woodworking magazine junky). Anybody have
opinions of Woodwork?

bob g.

I've been buying Woodwork off the news stand for the last few issues and
love it. I'm eagerly waiting on my first subscription issue to arrive. The
subscription process seems a little slow, but maybe I went about it the
wrong way. I sent in a card out of the magazine. I wonder if ordering it
through Amazon is any faster.

Brian

Unisaw A100 wrote in
:

Ditto the comment on Popular Woodworking. Also, I haven't
been paying too close attention for a while but the other
day while at the Leebrary I scanned a couple/few issues of
Work Bench (Workbench?) and damn, that one really has turned
out to be worth at least buying from time to time.

I was disappointed when the "Dust Collections Solutions that Deliver",
teased with the Oneida on the cover art, turned out to be so seriously
lightweight.

The second issue of Woodworking Magazine, from the Popwood guys enticed $5
out of my pocket. That one shows promise.

And Woodwork remains one of my favorites. Prolly because I came at this
from an arts background, rather than a mech/shop/industrial arts track.
And the SF Bay Area is possibly over-represented in its pages, but then
that's home for me.

Patriarch

This topic came up in another thread and a fellow wrecker and I have
been sharing our admiration for Woodwork magazine. IOHO, we beleive
it to be the best magazine out there, FWW included.

The problem with WOOD or Pop. Wood. or any of the others is that, as
you noted, every few months they rehash the same old Mission style
projects or herald plans for the Ultimate Router Table (Wait. I
thought Ultimate was featured 6 months ago?! So is that one now the
Penultimate?). And their tool reviews are basically worthless: "Of
all the table saws we've ever tested, this is certainly one of them."
Followed by a double page ad for the same.

Not worth the paper (and, hence, the trees to make the paper) they're
printed on.

My $0.02 worth,
Ian

(BeniBoose) wrote in message . com...
Just got the latest issue of WOOD Magazine in the mail yesterday...

Took me about 5 minutes to read it cover to cover. Gheeez, is it me or
this magazine has been pumping some pretty deceptive issues in the
past 4-5 months? They keep showing off some old furniture made out of
oak. Eurk! Arts & Crafts has been all over the magazines for decades.
Thousands of versions have been made of the same damn coffee table,
nightstand, bed, dresser, chest of drawers, etc. Can we see some other
projects made with something else than oak?

I'm already regretting my 2 years subscription.

Oh ho, almost 4h00PM, it's time for my pill.


Cyberben

Something to remember, back issues of any magazine are
incredible resources. Spend the lulling moment(s) between
Christmas and New Years leafing through you old magazines
and you'll more than likely find an article or three on a
subject(s) that at the time of publication did not draw your
interest but now comes in handy.

It's all about growth.

UA100

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:47:31 -0500, "Bob Schmall"
wrote:


Gotta agree. The thing has slipped badly in the past year.

Bob


A year ago I liked it. It's sup rising how fast Wood hit the wall.

Barry

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:13:21 -0400, "Brian Mahaney"
wrote:


Robert Galloway wrote in message
...
Subscribed to Wood a number of years ago. I do think it has declined a
little. I let it expire. Can't seem to give up on FWW, AW and WWJ. I
picked up an issue of Woodwork at Borders. Couldn't help myself. Read
it and entered a subscription through Amazon. Looks good. Wish me
luck. (Confessions of a woodworking magazine junky). Anybody have
opinions of Woodwork?

bob g.

I've been buying Woodwork off the news stand for the last few issues and
love it. I'm eagerly waiting on my first subscription issue to arrive. The
subscription process seems a little slow, but maybe I went about it the
wrong way. I sent in a card out of the magazine. I wonder if ordering it
through Amazon is any faster.

Brian


I often wonder this myself. Why magazine starts, address changes,
cancellations take so long? I called one time and found out that the
printing, administration, and journalists are all in different states
(their excuse) but that makes no difference with today's technology.
Six weeks notice to change an address--give me a break.

I recently spent a while going through about 3 years of Wood looking for a
small project and found only one. Rest of them were cutsey dustcatchers,
including the scroll-saw project I finally selected. Most of the mag is
large projects that I don't have the skill or desire or need to build.

Just wondered if it was me.

W.

"BeniBoose" wrote in message
om...
Just got the latest issue of WOOD Magazine in the mail yesterday...

Took me about 5 minutes to read it cover to cover. Gheeez, is it me or
this magazine has been pumping some pretty deceptive issues in the
past 4-5 months? They keep showing off some old furniture made out of
oak. Eurk! Arts & Crafts has been all over the magazines for decades.
Thousands of versions have been made of the same damn coffee table,
nightstand, bed, dresser, chest of drawers, etc. Can we see some other
projects made with something else than oak?

I'm already regretting my 2 years subscription.

Oh ho, almost 4h00PM, it's time for my pill.


Cyberben

"Phisherman" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:13:21 -0400, "Brian Mahaney"
wrote:


Robert Galloway wrote in message
...
Subscribed to Wood a number of years ago. I do think it has declined a
little. I let it expire. Can't seem to give up on FWW, AW and WWJ. I
picked up an issue of Woodwork at Borders. Couldn't help myself. Read
it and entered a subscription through Amazon. Looks good. Wish me
luck. (Confessions of a woodworking magazine junky). Anybody have
opinions of Woodwork?

bob g.

I've been buying Woodwork off the news stand for the last few issues and
love it. I'm eagerly waiting on my first subscription issue to arrive.
The
subscription process seems a little slow, but maybe I went about it the
wrong way. I sent in a card out of the magazine. I wonder if ordering
it
through Amazon is any faster.

Brian


I often wonder this myself. Why magazine starts, address changes,
cancellations take so long? I called one time and found out that the
printing, administration, and journalists are all in different states
(their excuse) but that makes no difference with today's technology.
Six weeks notice to change an address--give me a break.

Magazines aren't mailed from the home office, but from the printer. Since
their deadline schedule is often a couple of months in advance (the deadline
for December is coming up) they need updated sub lists to get to the printer
in time, usually weeks before the issue is even printed. So your December
issue is mailed, let's say, in early November to get to you within 10 days
or so. It's printed the previous week, and the subscription mailing list is
due in late October.
Before that, the magazine's fulfillment (subscription) department needs time
to get the data entered, and the Postal Service needs time also, so mailing
your sub in September means you get December as the first issue.
Like most things, it turns out to be more complicated than it appears on the
surface.

Bob
P.S. I worked for several magazines.

Unisaw A100 wrote in
:

Something to remember, back issues of any magazine are
incredible resources. Spend the lulling moment(s) between
Christmas and New Years leafing through you old magazines
and you'll more than likely find an article or three on a
subject(s) that at the time of publication did not draw your
interest but now comes in handy.


About once or twice a year, I rummage through the stacks of accumulated
wood magazines, bag up those from which I believe I've gleaned everything
I'm likely to learn, and drag them down to the woodworker's club. So do
many of the other members.

They always seem to find a new home.

Patriarch

One way or the other, magazines will offer a wide variety of projects
from small to large... there's nothing wrong with that and I'm happy
with it too. Some projects make you go through your pile of offcuts
and some others will take months to be completed.

The concern the original poster was more about the fact that the Arts
& Crafts and the Mission styles are all over the place and there's
tons of free plans you can get on the Internet. Despite this fact,
magazines keep publishing those projects like they just invented it.
Getting some new stuff and great designs is a lot harder... WOOD
decided to go the Art's & Crafts route after they came out with some
pretty good and modern stuff in the past.

Let WOOD concentrate on stupid glue tests and blade cleaner tests
while I let my subscription lapse and look other magazines for nicer
projects.


Wally



On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:02:46 GMT, "Walter Johnson"
wrote:

I recently spent a while going through about 3 years of Wood looking for a
small project and found only one. Rest of them were cutsey dustcatchers,
including the scroll-saw project I finally selected. Most of the mag is
large projects that I don't have the skill or desire or need to build.

Just wondered if it was me.

W.

"BeniBoose" wrote in message
. com...
Just got the latest issue of WOOD Magazine in the mail yesterday...

Took me about 5 minutes to read it cover to cover. Gheeez, is it me or
this magazine has been pumping some pretty deceptive issues in the
past 4-5 months? They keep showing off some old furniture made out of
oak. Eurk! Arts & Crafts has been all over the magazines for decades.
Thousands of versions have been made of the same damn coffee table,
nightstand, bed, dresser, chest of drawers, etc. Can we see some other
projects made with something else than oak?

I'm already regretting my 2 years subscription.

Oh ho, almost 4h00PM, it's time for my pill.


Cyberben

Wally writes:


One way or the other, magazines will offer a wide variety of projects
from small to large... there's nothing wrong with that and I'm happy
with it too. Some projects make you go through your pile of offcuts
and some others will take months to be completed.

The concern the original poster was more about the fact that the Arts
& Crafts and the Mission styles are all over the place and there's
tons of free plans you can get on the Internet. Despite this fact,
magazines keep publishing those projects like they just invented it.
Getting some new stuff and great designs is a lot harder... WOOD
decided to go the Art's & Crafts route after they came out with some
pretty good and modern stuff in the past.

Let WOOD concentrate on stupid glue tests and blade cleaner tests
while I let my subscription lapse and look other magazines for nicer
projects.


All true. A&C and Mission are dominant right now. IIRC, though, Wood posited
its series of A&C style pieces some time ago, and has been slowly turning them
out. It's not all that easy to turn out a bed plan that can be built by a
majority of the actual woodworkers in a particular audience, should they desire
to do so. Some at the very bottom end will be displeased with the difficulty,
while those with topnotch skills will think the plan is old hat, not worth
their time.

My prediction is that within a year or so, you'll see a return to another
style, or maybe more of a mix of styles, in all the magazines. Sooner or later,
they have to please a goodly number of their readers or go out of business.
Wood has been around for a time. I'd expect it to remain around for a few more
years regardless of losing a few subscribers from this NG.

And, no, I haven't done any project articles for any magazines that show that a
change is coming. I'm about to build us a new bed to replace the new bed we
bought a few years ago, but that has more to do with the lack of quality in
mid-range furniture these days, and a growing waistline that makes sleeping in
a bed rough on the bed, than it does any desire to build a bed. So, no article.

But check out your back issues of Wood. You'll see plenty of variation. And
I'll be more is coming, there and with other magazines that have jumped back
into the '90s...the 1890s, that is.

Charlie Self
"A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers." H. L. Mencken

Robert Galloway said:

picked up an issue of Woodwork at Borders. Couldn't help myself. Read
it and entered a subscription through Amazon. Looks good. Wish me
luck. (Confessions of a woodworking magazine junky). Anybody have
opinions of Woodwork?

It's a great magazine for those who appreciate artistic talent and master
skill combined.

--
Mac Cool

(BeniBoose) said:

They keep showing off some old furniture made out of
oak. Eurk! Arts & Crafts has been all over the magazines for decades.
Thousands of versions have been made of the same damn coffee table,
nightstand, bed, dresser, chest of drawers, etc. Can we see some other
projects made with something else than oak?

I like Wood magazine. I actually build furniture for myself and others
and with Wood I can outfit my house with a style of furniture that is
attractive, popular and matches. SWMBO loves mission style furniture and
she drools over every issue.

Another thing I like about Wood is that some of the furniture is fairly
complex and they use a variety of tools and skills in construction.
Sometimes they might hand cut a tenon and chop a mortis, another time
they might use biscuits.

Wood is not doing the same project over and over, they are doing series
of related projects. One issue might be a dining room table, then a
chair, then a sideboard... if you notice, they all match. I don't know
of any other magazine that does that.

You know, you can use ANY wood you like to build your projects.

If you want to see furniture to drool over and marvel at, take a look at
Woodwork. Some of the Brit magazines features some marvelous
craftsmanship also.
--
Mac Cool

Robert Galloway wrote in message ...
Subscribed to Wood a number of years ago. I do think it has declined a
little. I let it expire. Can't seem to give up on FWW, AW and WWJ. I
picked up an issue of Woodwork at Borders. Couldn't help myself. Read
it and entered a subscription through Amazon. Looks good. Wish me
luck. (Confessions of a woodworking magazine junky). Anybody have
opinions of Woodwork?

bob g.

RonB wrote:
I share your pain. I am about 1/2 way through a free 2 year subscription
(airline miles promotion) and wish I had selected another box. I had picked
WOOD up on the news stand years ago and enjoyed it, but they seem to be on a
mission furniture and crafts binge. I do appreciate their tool reviews
because they have provided timely coverage for my last two buys.

Other than that, kinda disappointed. Maybe I am moving boyond the crafts
stage in my craft -- Naaawwww!



Woodwork is my favorite, Fine Woodworking second. Decided not to renew
subscription to Wood after the misleading article on glues a month or
two ago. I would venture to say that the author has as much
expierience with hot hide glue as I do with brain surgery.

Mike, retired carpenter