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Bracket Hardware from Lee Valley
On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:37:36 -0500
Bill wrote: year, the "Indianapolis 500" will be the "Indianapolis 500, sponsored by Pennzoil". Chuckle over that. but they cannot make us call it that we can still call it what we want but do get concerned when they call it the indianapolis 500 sponsored by harbor freight |
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On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 09:08:59 -0500, Bill
wrote: krw wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 22:22:04 -0500, Bill wrote: krw wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 21:54:23 -0500, Bill wrote: krw wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:37:36 -0500, Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 10:40:36 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote: I think most of us have had enough Fes-Spam. It was an inside joke, Not a Festool promotion. Some of us noticed and got a chuckle from it. Those "some of us" have also known for sometime that B*** doesn't have the faculty to get a chuckle from that type of comment. If you don't already feel like something of an advertising "victim", then I guess you can't relate. I guess not. Your choice, though. No doubt our individual tolerance levels are different. New in the recent (local?) news is that, this year, the "Indianapolis 500" will be the "Indianapolis 500, sponsored by Pennzoil". Chuckle over that. B*** Would you rather it be the "Pennzoil 500 from Indianapolis" or perhaps the "Donald Trump 500"? ;-) Evidently, not everyone regards his mind as his own. For 100 years, the "Indianapolis 500" was good enough. The accumulation of "marketing-bombardment" adds up. One can fairly ask, "Which drop of water caused the glass to overfill?". All I can say is that I am running fairly "close to full" these days. Funny this phenomenon seems to peak about every 4 years, in harmony with the political process... YMMV Bill, it's your choice to be offended. Really! I guess that rules out professional sports... Really? Why? I don't choose to be offended by professional sports. They can do whatever they want and pay whatever they want (it's not my money). Why are you so preoccupied with money? Why are you so preoccupied with advertising? You brought money up, several times, in fact. Advertising == money. Festool == money. I would not have let the Superbowl happen last year. It would be nice if the NFL had ideals like the PGA. You make a mistake on your scorecard and you lose period. It would have set a nice example for the kids. What *are* you going on about now? Deflate-gate? What a non-story! I ignore what I don't like and if it gets so overwhelming that it's no longer worth the whole package, I don't watch. Professional basketball got to that point decades back (and it has nothing to do with ads). I can't be bothered by advertising. There are so many other things to devote my waking time to (and so little of it). OK, the number of ads on TV does get to me but they make this wonderful gizmo called the fast-forward button. ;-) |
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On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 09:01:51 -0500, Bill
wrote: krw wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 22:34:52 -0500, Bill wrote: krw wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 22:04:17 -0500, Bill wrote: krw wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:37:36 -0500, Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 10:40:36 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote: I think most of us have had enough Fes-Spam. It was an inside joke, Not a Festool promotion. Some of us noticed and got a chuckle from it. Those "some of us" have also known for sometime that B*** doesn't have the faculty to get a chuckle from that type of comment. If you don't already feel like something of an advertising "victim", then I guess you can't relate. I guess not. Your choice, though. No doubt our individual tolerance levels are different. New in the recent (local?) news is that, this year, the "Indianapolis 500" will be the "Indianapolis 500, sponsored by Pennzoil". Chuckle over that. B*** Would you rather it be the "Pennzoil 500 from Indianapolis" or perhaps the "Donald Trump 500"? ;-) Just like our air and water quality, our animals and the earth. After we take everything we can and sell it to the highest bidder, enjoy.... Go to Flint, MI and get a drink of water... Are you seriously comparing potentially toxic water to a little advertising? Really? Similar "greed" at the source of both, no? Absolutely *NOT*. You morally equate feeding one's family by running a grocery store with poisoning your neighbors for political gain. That, sir, is called "Moral Relativity" at its finest! Look at what the Internet has become between the 1990s and now. Hmm, in 1990 it was a toy. I can really make use of it now, and do. It's almost like walking downtown in NYC. I think that our "Inalienable Rights" might be updated to include some "protection from marketers". I find it a new source of "pollution". That you have currently found a good way to "hide" does not, to my mind, eliminate the societal problem. YMMV. You aren't adult enough to control yourself? Yes. I can more than control myself. Evidently not. You're always offended by something. It's consuming you. I don't have control over my environment, unless I choose to stay home and stay of the roads. If elected, I would make others respect the rights of others for a better environment. Almost always, where there is a conflict between man and nature, nature loses. I would try to change that. My values comes before my pocketbook and I have the documentation to prove it. "If I were king, you would obey *me*. You're a totalitarian (lefty). Got it. You need government to infringe on other's rights, just to make your life worth living? Sad. *Really* sad! |
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On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 09:51:50 -0600, Swingman wrote:
On 2/2/2016 9:03 AM, Bill wrote: How about making corporations respect people? Maybe we need to give "corporate entities" some limits and guidelines. Corporations generally have a right to do business as they see fit ... or in a manner, no matter how stupid or ill advised, that they can get away. The customer only has a right to take their business elsewhere, so far. The problem, as you are experiencing, starts soon after you get government involvement. Works briefly in your favor, then you idiots allow your elected representatives to sell you out and you eventually get the phenomenon know as "regulatory capture" ... always to the detriment of the consumer. Exactly. Once you give the government power, it *will* be used against you. The banking and investment industry are perfect examples, as well as cable and internet providers. |
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On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 08:35:34 -0800, Electric Comet
wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:37:36 -0500 Bill wrote: year, the "Indianapolis 500" will be the "Indianapolis 500, sponsored by Pennzoil". Chuckle over that. but they cannot make us call it that we can still call it what we want but do get concerned when they call it the indianapolis 500 sponsored by harbor freight If I were a driver, I'd certainly be concerned! ;-) |
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On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 09:51:50 -0600, Swingman wrote:
The banking and investment industry are perfect examples, as well as cable and internet providers. And you assume they'd get better without regulation? What have you been smoking? Government has been defined, correctly in my opinion, as a "necessary evil". There's a reason why it's necessary - if you can't grasp that, you live in a fantasy world. -- It's turtles, all the way down! |
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On 2/2/2016 12:17 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 09:51:50 -0600, Swingman wrote: The banking and investment industry are perfect examples, as well as cable and internet providers. And you assume they'd get better without regulation? What have you been smoking? Government has been defined, correctly in my opinion, as a "necessary evil". There's a reason why it's necessary - if you can't grasp that, you live in a fantasy world. It is not so much the regulation being the problem as the entity that is regulating it. So effectively the regulation is a wash at best, you "get on paper" from the regulation and loose money from the inefficiency, incompetency, bureaucracy, and corruption of the regulator/enforcer. It would be far better to be regulated by a private entity. |
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On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 18:17:34 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote: On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 09:51:50 -0600, Swingman wrote: The banking and investment industry are perfect examples, as well as cable and internet providers. And you assume they'd get better without regulation? What have you been smoking? Yes, in fact, I think they would get better. There would be more competition for my business. Government has been defined, correctly in my opinion, as a "necessary evil". There's a reason why it's necessary - if you can't grasp that, you live in a fantasy world. It's only necessary for a very few functions that can't be done any other way (almost entirely safety related). |
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On 2/2/2016 12:17 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 09:51:50 -0600, Swingman wrote: The banking and investment industry are perfect examples, as well as cable and internet providers. And you assume they'd get better without regulation? What have you been smoking? Government has been defined, correctly in my opinion, as a "necessary evil". There's a reason why it's necessary - if you can't grasp that, you live in a fantasy world. Enjoyed that $9,513.75 that came out of the taxes that you _personally_ paid since 2008 that went to bail out the second most government regulated industry in existence, not to mention all that interest you get on your savings, and the fees you get soaked with, eh? "Fantasy world", indeed ... -- eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net https://www.google.com/+eWoodShop https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/ KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) |
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On 2/2/2016 9:27 AM, Bill wrote:
Well, at least we've come full circle to where you may truly understand my first post to this thread. People seem to be in a policitically-minded mood. Perhaps its related to the Iowa caucuses. I Really like the Lee Valley catalog. And I like they way they tastefully send out a version several times a year, instead of emailing me perhaps twice a week like Rockler does. Even Harbor Freight uses a little restraint. CPO-Woodworking not so much. . Leon emails me at least twice a week to tell me about Festool products and how he uses them. I've tried to unsubscribe but they just keep coming. I think Festool pays 2¢ him for every email I open. |
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On 2/2/2016 1:53 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/2/2016 9:27 AM, Bill wrote: Well, at least we've come full circle to where you may truly understand my first post to this thread. People seem to be in a policitically-minded mood. Perhaps its related to the Iowa caucuses. I Really like the Lee Valley catalog. And I like they way they tastefully send out a version several times a year, instead of emailing me perhaps twice a week like Rockler does. Even Harbor Freight uses a little restraint. CPO-Woodworking not so much. . Leon emails me at least twice a week to tell me about Festool products and how he uses them. I've tried to unsubscribe but they just keep coming. I think Festool pays 2¢ him for every email I open. You were not suppose to let the cat out of the bag. LOL |
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On 2/2/2016 1:53 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/2/2016 9:27 AM, Bill wrote: Well, at least we've come full circle to where you may truly understand my first post to this thread. People seem to be in a policitically-minded mood. Perhaps its related to the Iowa caucuses. I Really like the Lee Valley catalog. And I like they way they tastefully send out a version several times a year, instead of emailing me perhaps twice a week like Rockler does. Even Harbor Freight uses a little restraint. CPO-Woodworking not so much. . Leon emails me at least twice a week to tell me about Festool products and how he uses them. I've tried to unsubscribe but they just keep coming. I think Festool pays 2¢ him for every email I open. And, this is where all your money goes ... https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...55850970075 4 -- eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net https://www.google.com/+eWoodShop https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/ KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) |
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On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 13:08:43 -0600, Swingman wrote:
Enjoyed that $9,513.75 that came out of the taxes that you _personally_ paid since 2008 that went to bail out the second most government regulated industry in existence, not to mention all that interest you get on your savings, and the fees you get soaked with, eh? And perhaps you didn't notice that it was the *relaxation* of regulations that caused the banking/mortgage crisis? And a lack of regulation that resulted in all those polluted Superfund sites? Competition didn't seem to have any effect there. A long time ago, Will Rogers said we had the best government money could buy. Nothing has changed. -- It's turtles, all the way down! |
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On 2/2/2016 6:49 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 13:08:43 -0600, Swingman wrote: Enjoyed that $9,513.75 that came out of the taxes that you _personally_ paid since 2008 that went to bail out the second most government regulated industry in existence, not to mention all that interest you get on your savings, and the fees you get soaked with, eh? And perhaps you didn't notice that it was the *relaxation* of regulations that caused the banking/mortgage crisis? And all this time we thought it was the government guaranteeing loans to those that absolutely did not qualify but because they could not keep up with the Jones the government said give it to them anyway. And a lack of regulation that resulted in all those polluted Superfund sites? Competition didn't seem to have any effect there. A long time ago, Will Rogers said we had the best government money could buy. Nothing has changed. And again, let the private sector do the policing because no one is proud of the results when the government jumps in the deep end. |
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Larry Blanchard wrote in
: On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 13:08:43 -0600, Swingman wrote: Enjoyed that $9,513.75 that came out of the taxes that you _personally_ paid since 2008 that went to bail out the second most government regulated industry in existence, not to mention all that interest you get on your savings, and the fees you get soaked with, eh? And perhaps you didn't notice that it was the *relaxation* of regulations that caused the banking/mortgage crisis? And a lack of regulation that resulted in all those polluted Superfund sites? Competition didn't seem to have any effect there. A long time ago, Will Rogers said we had the best government money could buy. Nothing has changed. What about things like the Staggers act? Regulation was sifleing the railroads and relaxation of certain regulations allowed them to become competitive and healthy. Relaxing and implementing regulations is an ax. You can do surprisingly good work with it, but you can also cut off the very thing you need to survive. Puckdropper |
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On 2/2/2016 6:49 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
And perhaps you didn't notice that it was the*relaxation* of regulations that caused the banking/mortgage crisis? Reading comprehension with the term "regulatory capture"? Look it up, learn something, and leave the fantasy world behind ... it's reality. -- eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net https://www.google.com/+eWoodShop https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/ KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) |
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On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 00:49:57 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote: On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 13:08:43 -0600, Swingman wrote: Enjoyed that $9,513.75 that came out of the taxes that you _personally_ paid since 2008 that went to bail out the second most government regulated industry in existence, not to mention all that interest you get on your savings, and the fees you get soaked with, eh? And perhaps you didn't notice that it was the *relaxation* of regulations that caused the banking/mortgage crisis? Nonsense. It was government meddling that caused the crisis. Fannie and Freddie were dead-center in that mess. And a lack of regulation that resulted in all those polluted Superfund sites? Competition didn't seem to have any effect there. Much of that wasn't known at the time. A long time ago, Will Rogers said we had the best government money could buy. Nothing has changed. Oh, yes it has! It's gotten *much* larger. ...and even less competent. |
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On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 21:39:09 -0500, Bill
wrote: krw wrote: On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 09:01:51 -0500, Bill wrote: krw wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 22:34:52 -0500, Bill wrote: krw wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 22:04:17 -0500, Bill wrote: krw wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:37:36 -0500, Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 10:40:36 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote: I think most of us have had enough Fes-Spam. It was an inside joke, Not a Festool promotion. Some of us noticed and got a chuckle from it. Those "some of us" have also known for sometime that B*** doesn't have the faculty to get a chuckle from that type of comment. If you don't already feel like something of an advertising "victim", then I guess you can't relate. I guess not. Your choice, though. No doubt our individual tolerance levels are different. New in the recent (local?) news is that, this year, the "Indianapolis 500" will be the "Indianapolis 500, sponsored by Pennzoil". Chuckle over that. B*** Would you rather it be the "Pennzoil 500 from Indianapolis" or perhaps the "Donald Trump 500"? ;-) Just like our air and water quality, our animals and the earth. After we take everything we can and sell it to the highest bidder, enjoy.... Go to Flint, MI and get a drink of water... Are you seriously comparing potentially toxic water to a little advertising? Really? Similar "greed" at the source of both, no? Absolutely *NOT*. You morally equate feeding one's family by running a grocery store with poisoning your neighbors for political gain. That, sir, is called "Moral Relativity" at its finest! Look at what the Internet has become between the 1990s and now. Hmm, in 1990 it was a toy. I can really make use of it now, and do. It's almost like walking downtown in NYC. I think that our "Inalienable Rights" might be updated to include some "protection from marketers". I find it a new source of "pollution". That you have currently found a good way to "hide" does not, to my mind, eliminate the societal problem. YMMV. You aren't adult enough to control yourself? Yes. I can more than control myself. Evidently not. You're always offended by something. It's consuming you. The only trouble maker here... ?? I don't have control over my environment, unless I choose to stay home and stay of the roads. If elected, I would make others respect the rights of others for a better environment. Almost always, where there is a conflict between man and nature, nature loses. I would try to change that. My values comes before my pocketbook and I have the documentation to prove it. "If I were king, you would obey *me*. You're a totalitarian (lefty). Got it. You need government to infringe on other's rights, just to make your life worth living? Sad. *Really* sad! |
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Swingman wrote in
: Corporations generally have a right to do business as they see fit ... or in a manner, no matter how stupid or ill advised, that they can get away. The customer only has a right to take their business elsewhere, so far. The problem, as you are experiencing, starts soon after you get government involvement. Works briefly in your favor, then you idiots allow your elected representatives to sell you out and you eventually get the phenomenon know as "regulatory capture" ... always to the detriment of the consumer. The banking and investment industry are perfect examples, as well as cable and internet providers. This is kind of a naive view. It fails in two ways, one because it ignores the reality of monopolies and collusion (so that it's not always possible to "take one's business elsewhere"); and the other because a business's profit motive generally doesn't align with the public's desire for a clean and safe environment. In an ideal world, regulation would exist only in so far as is necessary to provide "an even playing field", where competing businesses all had the same safety and enviromental standards (so none had an advantage), and all truely did compete (so the customer had a fair choice). In practice, governments are not very good at identifying those boundries, and inertia tends to keep regulations in place long after the need for them has passed (by the same token, inertia tends to prevent regulation being put in place until well after the need first appears - something of a closing the barn door after the horse has left effect). Anyone interested in the subject would be well advised to study the history of railroad regulation (since that was the first industry regulated) from the creation of the ICC to the Staggers act of 1980 that deregulated it (about 30 years after the need for regulation had ended). John |
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On 2/3/2016 2:26 PM, John McCoy wrote:
Swingman wrote in The problem, as you are experiencing, starts soon after you get government involvement. Works briefly in your favor, then you idiots allow your elected representatives to sell you out and you eventually get the phenomenon know as "regulatory capture" ... always to the detriment of the consumer. The banking and investment industry are perfect examples, as well as cable and internet providers. This is kind of a naive view. Jeezzus, you guys can run rabbit trails ... Most here are well aware of the necessity for some form of "regulation", what it entails, and the history thereof, and certainly don't need preaching to in that regard. My post specifically stated a reality of regulation in today's world, that being "regulatory capture", perfectly manifested in the examples I gave, The only naivete exhibited thus far is in the disregard of that very real phenomenon, and ignoring the subject totally in irrelevant epistles. -- eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net https://www.google.com/+eWoodShop https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/ KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) |
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On 02/03/2016 11:51 AM, Swingman wrote:
Jeezzus, you guys can run rabbit trails ... This is a woodworking newsgroup. Around here we follow rabbet trails. ....Kevin -- Kevin Miller Juneau, Alaska http://www.alaska.net/~atftb "In the history of the world, no one has ever washed a rented car." - Lawrence Summers |
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On 2/3/2016 3:01 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:
On 02/03/2016 11:51 AM, Swingman wrote: Jeezzus, you guys can run rabbit trails ... This is a woodworking newsgroup. Around here we follow rabbet trails. Decided not to go there ... no telling where that would lead. -- eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net https://www.google.com/+eWoodShop https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/ KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) |
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In article ,
says... krw wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 22:04:17 -0500, Bill wrote: krw wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:37:36 -0500, Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 10:40:36 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote: I think most of us have had enough Fes-Spam. It was an inside joke, Not a Festool promotion. Some of us noticed and got a chuckle from it. Those "some of us" have also known for sometime that B*** doesn't have the faculty to get a chuckle from that type of comment. If you don't already feel like something of an advertising "victim", then I guess you can't relate. I guess not. Your choice, though. No doubt our individual tolerance levels are different. New in the recent (local?) news is that, this year, the "Indianapolis 500" will be the "Indianapolis 500, sponsored by Pennzoil". Chuckle over that. B*** Would you rather it be the "Pennzoil 500 from Indianapolis" or perhaps the "Donald Trump 500"? ;-) Just like our air and water quality, our animals and the earth. After we take everything we can and sell it to the highest bidder, enjoy.... Go to Flint, MI and get a drink of water... Are you seriously comparing potentially toxic water to a little advertising? Really? Similar "greed" at the source of both, no? Look at what the Internet has become between the 1990s and now. It's almost like walking downtown in NYC. I think that our "Inalienable Rights" might be updated to include some "protection from marketers". I find it a new source of "pollution". That you have currently found a good way to "hide" does not, to my mind, eliminate the societal problem. YMMV. I do wonder what additional protections the Founders might have put in the Constitution if they could see the modern world. |
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On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 07:08:16 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote: In article , says... krw wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 22:04:17 -0500, Bill wrote: krw wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:37:36 -0500, Bill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 10:40:36 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote: I think most of us have had enough Fes-Spam. It was an inside joke, Not a Festool promotion. Some of us noticed and got a chuckle from it. Those "some of us" have also known for sometime that B*** doesn't have the faculty to get a chuckle from that type of comment. If you don't already feel like something of an advertising "victim", then I guess you can't relate. I guess not. Your choice, though. No doubt our individual tolerance levels are different. New in the recent (local?) news is that, this year, the "Indianapolis 500" will be the "Indianapolis 500, sponsored by Pennzoil". Chuckle over that. B*** Would you rather it be the "Pennzoil 500 from Indianapolis" or perhaps the "Donald Trump 500"? ;-) Just like our air and water quality, our animals and the earth. After we take everything we can and sell it to the highest bidder, enjoy.... Go to Flint, MI and get a drink of water... Are you seriously comparing potentially toxic water to a little advertising? Really? Similar "greed" at the source of both, no? Look at what the Internet has become between the 1990s and now. It's almost like walking downtown in NYC. I think that our "Inalienable Rights" might be updated to include some "protection from marketers". I find it a new source of "pollution". That you have currently found a good way to "hide" does not, to my mind, eliminate the societal problem. YMMV. I do wonder what additional protections the Founders might have put in the Constitution if they could see the modern world. Why bother? We haven't followed what they wrote for a long time. If we had, perhaps they wouldn't have wanted to add any. |
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J. Clarke wrote:
A received a notice from the bank today, a big bank, New Rule: Discrepancies concerning deposit slips may or may not be corrected, at the banks discretion, if the discrepancy is less than $10. Someone must have stayed up all night thinking of that new profit generating idea... I wonder which ones they will correct? Too much to ask for a bank to have to put the customer's money into his or her account? A lot of that sort of thing could be easily fixed by requiring that any contract or change in a contract, in order to be valid, must be accepted actively and explicitly, not passively by continuing to use a service. Well, they added it to their "terms of service" (I think). I may inquire at the local branch if they are going to *notify* customers of the discrepancies found on the occasion that they keep the extra money. You can read the new policy at the top of the first page (paragraph 'A') below (you also be able to see that it's a "new policy"): https://www.chase.com/content/dam/ch..._agreement.pdf |
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In article ,
says... J. Clarke wrote: A received a notice from the bank today, a big bank, New Rule: Discrepancies concerning deposit slips may or may not be corrected, at the banks discretion, if the discrepancy is less than $10. Someone must have stayed up all night thinking of that new profit generating idea... I wonder which ones they will correct? Too much to ask for a bank to have to put the customer's money into his or her account? A lot of that sort of thing could be easily fixed by requiring that any contract or change in a contract, in order to be valid, must be accepted actively and explicitly, not passively by continuing to use a service. Well, they added it to their "terms of service" (I think). I may inquire at the local branch if they are going to *notify* customers of the discrepancies found on the occasion that they keep the extra money. You can read the new policy at the top of the first page (paragraph 'A') below (you also be able to see that it's a "new policy"): https://www.chase.com/content/dam/ch..._agreement.pdf Look on page 16: "By maintaining your account after the effective date of any change, you agree to the change." |
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J. Clarke wrote:
In article , says... J. Clarke wrote: A received a notice from the bank today, a big bank, New Rule: Discrepancies concerning deposit slips may or may not be corrected, at the banks discretion, if the discrepancy is less than $10. Someone must have stayed up all night thinking of that new profit generating idea... I wonder which ones they will correct? Too much to ask for a bank to have to put the customer's money into his or her account? A lot of that sort of thing could be easily fixed by requiring that any contract or change in a contract, in order to be valid, must be accepted actively and explicitly, not passively by continuing to use a service. Well, they added it to their "terms of service" (I think). I may inquire at the local branch if they are going to *notify* customers of the discrepancies found on the occasion that they keep the extra money. You can read the new policy at the top of the first page (paragraph 'A') below (you also be able to see that it's a "new policy"): https://www.chase.com/content/dam/ch..._agreement.pdf Look on page 16: "By maintaining your account after the effective date of any change, you agree to the change." At least they kept the terms of service for a checking account to 30 pages. You have to give them credit for that... ha. |
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No Superbowl here tonight (for the sake of the principle's we have discussed). I'll miss the extra "sandwich"... : ) Bill |
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On 2/7/2016 6:22 PM, Bill wrote:
Advertising No Superbowl here tonight (for the sake of the principle's we have discussed). I'll miss the extra "sandwich"... : ) Bill Same here. I don't get a thrill watching a group of millionaires that work for billionaires running around on a field. Oh, be careful what ypu post. If you use the term Superbowl wrongly they will come after you too. |
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On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:22:37 -0500, Bill
wrote: Advertising No Superbowl here tonight (for the sake of the principle's we have discussed). I'll miss the extra "sandwich"... : ) Sandwich? The guy in the box was just saying that the average Super Bowl watcher eats 6500 calories during the game! |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2016 6:22 PM, Bill wrote: Advertising No Superbowl here tonight (for the sake of the principle's we have discussed). I'll miss the extra "sandwich"... : ) Bill Same here. I don't get a thrill watching a group of millionaires that work for billionaires running around on a field. Thanks, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one not-watching! Bill Oh, be careful what ypu post. If you use the term Superbowl wrongly they will come after you too. |
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krw wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:22:37 -0500, Bill wrote: Advertising No Superbowl here tonight (for the sake of the principle's we have discussed). I'll miss the extra "sandwich"... : ) Sandwich? The guy in the box was just saying that the average Super Bowl watcher eats 6500 calories during the game! A pizza sounds nice... : ) I don't think that's even 6500 calories. |
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Bill wrote in
: Ed Pawlowski wrote: Same here. I don't get a thrill watching a group of millionaires that work for billionaires running around on a field. Thanks, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one not-watching! Bill The most important game of the weekend was actually last night. Just a mid-season hockey game between the Blackhawks and Stars. I wonder if Doug Miller and the guy with the U of I e-mail (Len Lopez? I can't remember his name right off) avoid the game too. We get enough of us woodworkers avoiding the game and maybe we could meet somewhere like Danville (halfway between Peoria and Indy) to avoid the game and talk about woodworking. If anyone's interested and willing to travel to the IL/IN border on 74 (Danville), speak up. If we get enough interest, maybe we'll set something up next year. Puckdropper |
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Puckdropper wrote:
Bill wrote in : Ed Pawlowski wrote: Same here. I don't get a thrill watching a group of millionaires that work for billionaires running around on a field. Thanks, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one not-watching! Bill The most important game of the weekend was actually last night. Just a mid-season hockey game between the Blackhawks and Stars. I wonder if Doug Miller and the guy with the U of I e-mail (Len Lopez? I can't remember his name right off) avoid the game too. We get enough of us woodworkers avoiding the game and maybe we could meet somewhere like Danville (halfway between Peoria and Indy) to avoid the game and talk about woodworking. If anyone's interested and willing to travel to the IL/IN border on 74 (Danville), speak up. If we get enough interest, maybe we'll set something up next year. Puckdropper That's a nice thought. It wouldn't have to be a winter-time meeting as far as I'm concerned. My wife knows how to entertain herself anywhere there's trees (and birds). Bill |
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