Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand, stain
and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he spilled his
beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot rear its ugly head
when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?


--

On 1/18/2014 11:45 AM, Anonymous wrote:
Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand, stain
and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he spilled his
beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot rear its ugly head
when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?


Try cleaning with oxalic acid before you stain.
It will clean the wood and remove anything left.

Paint dept at big box store.

--
Jeff

On Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:47:16 AM UTC-6, woodchucker wrote:

Try cleaning with oxalic acid before you stain.

It will clean the wood and remove anything left.

Jeff

Do you have personal experience using that method?

You realize of course, that when you bleach out the stain with the acid, it won't discriminate between the stained areas and the unstained areas, right? So cleaning the area will lighten that one area on the entire on the entire project. This will be like using full strength Clorox to treat a spot on a black dress shirt.

The original poster should post more info about size and appearance of the stain, what kind of oak it is, and how the stain has been treated to this point before expecting an intelligent answer.

It is important to note that the OP never said there was any kind of stain to treat or deal with. For all we know, the beer was spilled and immediately wiped off and you can't even tell where the spill was.

Robert

"Anonymous"
wrote
in message
roups.com
Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and
cold to sand, stain and poly them so my husband put them
up unfinished. Well he spilled his beer on one. Will
sanding be enough or will the spot rear its ugly head
when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

So what - if anything - is the visible result of the beer being spilled?
Beer being almost all water I doubt there is much of anything; possibly, a
water stain? If that is all, sanding should ne sufficient. Note: do NOT
use oxalic acid (or any other bleach).

Why do you want to stain the wood prior to varnishing?


--

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____________________________

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wrote:
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:47:16 AM UTC-6, woodchucker wrote:

Try cleaning with oxalic acid before you stain.

It will clean the wood and remove anything left.

Jeff

Do you have personal experience using that method?

You realize of course, that when you bleach out the stain with the
acid, it won't discriminate between the stained areas and the
unstained areas, right? So cleaning the area will lighten that one
area on the entire on the entire project. This will be like using
full strength Clorox to treat a spot on a black dress shirt.

The original poster should post more info about size and appearance
of the stain, what kind of oak it is, and how the stain has been
treated to this point before expecting an intelligent answer.

It is important to note that the OP never said there was any kind of
stain to treat or deal with. For all we know, the beer was spilled
and immediately wiped off and you can't even tell where the spill
was.


I'm not a beer drinker these days, though I certainly was in the past... but
I would think beer would clean up very well with just water - right now.

--

-Mike-

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 16:45:01 +0000, Anonymous
wrote:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand, stain
and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he spilled his
beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot rear its ugly head
when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

I have several options to consider.

1. If the board was unfinished can you just turn it over and have the
un-spilled side become the good side?

2. If the board wasn't that big could you just make a new one?

3. Why not stain and poly the shelf when you get the time and see how
it looks before you panic?

4. You could go Lorena Bobbitt on him so he won't mess up the other
shelves.

On 1/18/14, 10:45 AM, Anonymous wrote:
Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand, stain
and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he spilled his
beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot rear its ugly head
when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?


Oh, I hope it wasn't expensive beer. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 1/18/2014 12:11 PM, dadiOH wrote:


Why do you want to stain the wood prior to varnishing?




Is that not your normal order?

Anonymous wrote in
roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand, stain
and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he spilled his
beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot rear its ugly head
when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really matter -- everything will look the
same in the end.

On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:47:40 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote:

Anonymous wrote in
groups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand, stain
and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he spilled his
beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot rear its ugly head
when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really matter -- everything will look the
same in the end.

That's the best idea yet, but you probably just gave Mike a heart
attack by suggesting someone use beer in that manor!

On 1/18/2014 10:16 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:47:40 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote:

Anonymouscaedfaa9ed1216d60ef78a6f660f5f85_8180@ex ample.com wrote in
roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand, stain
and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he spilled his
beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot rear its ugly head
when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really matter -- everything will look the
same in the end.

That's the best idea yet, but you probably just gave Mike a heart
attack by suggesting someone use beer in that manor!

Well, he could always drink it first...

"Richard" wrote:


Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really
matter -- everything will look the
same in the end.
-------------------------------------
That's the best idea yet, but you probably just gave Mike a heart
attack by suggesting someone use beer in that manor!
------------------------------------
Well, he could always drink it first...
-------------------------------------
Pat & Mike had been friends for many years, but it was getting to be
time
for Mike to cash in his hand and move along.

As Mike was lying on his death bed, his old friend Pat at his side, he
asked
Mike, "Mike my old friend, is there anything I can do for you?"

Mike said, "Not in this life, but after I'm gone there is a bottle of
Irish in me
closet. Would you mind sprinkling it on me grave?"

Pat thought for a minute then asked,

"Would you mind if I run it thru my kidneys first?"

Lew

Doug Miller wrote:
Anonymous wrote in
roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand,
stain and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he
spilled his beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot
rear its ugly head when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really matter
-- everything will look the same in the end.

That's one hell of a waste of good beer! I suppose you could use cheap
beer - like maybe Utica Club...

--

-Mike-

Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:47:40 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote:

Anonymous wrote
in roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand,
stain and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he
spilled his beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot
rear its ugly head when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really matter
-- everything will look the same in the end.

That's the best idea yet, but you probably just gave Mike a heart
attack by suggesting someone use beer in that manor!

Not Mike. You meant to say -Mike-. There is a difference...

--

-Mike-

On 1/18/2014 11:15 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
Anonymouscaedfaa9ed1216d60ef78a6f660f5f85_8180@ex ample.com wrote in
roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand,
stain and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he
spilled his beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot
rear its ugly head when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really matter
-- everything will look the same in the end.

That's one hell of a waste of good beer! I suppose you could use cheap
beer - like maybe Utica Club...


In Texas we would use a foreign beer for this job.

Something like Budweiser or Miller.

"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message

On 1/18/2014 12:11 PM, dadiOH wrote:


Why do you want to stain the wood prior to varnishing?




Is that not your normal order?

I try to avoid stain preferring to use wood I like au natural rather than
trying to make a wood I don't much care for look like something else. The
lack of stain also eases any needed repairs should they become necessary in
the future.

Of course there are exceptions, one of them being when overall color is
important but the wood itself is not. For example, around here, "merlot" is
being championed by many furniture retailers. It is the gotta have color.
Why anyone wants their bedroom suite et al to look like wine I do not know
but strongly suspect it is for much the same reason that granite, volume
ceilings,tray ceilings and crown molding are also "gotta haves"


--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

Richard wrote:
On 1/18/2014 11:15 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
Anonymouscaedfaa9ed1216d60ef78a6f660f5f85_8180@ex ample.com wrote in
roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand,
stain and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he
spilled his beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot
rear its ugly head when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really matter
-- everything will look the same in the end.

That's one hell of a waste of good beer! I suppose you could use cheap
beer - like maybe Utica Club...


In Texas we would use a foreign beer for this job.

Something like Budweiser or Miller.

It's hard to find a beer brand that isn't owned by a foreign country.
For an all-American brand that is family owned and brewed in Pottsville,
PA, try Yuengling.
They claim it is the oldest US brewery and Google seems to support that
statement.


--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @

On 01/19/2014 08:00 AM, willshak wrote:
Richard wrote:
On 1/18/2014 11:15 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
Anonymouscaedfaa9ed1216d60ef78a6f660f5f85_8180@ex ample.com wrote in
roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand,
stain and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he
spilled his beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot
rear its ugly head when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really matter
-- everything will look the same in the end.

That's one hell of a waste of good beer! I suppose you could use cheap
beer - like maybe Utica Club...


In Texas we would use a foreign beer for this job.

Something like Budweiser or Miller.

It's hard to find a beer brand that isn't owned by a foreign country.
For an all-American brand that is family owned and brewed in Pottsville,
PA, try Yuengling.
They claim it is the oldest US brewery and Google seems to support that
statement.


Can't get it west of the Mississippi :-(

Leinenkugle (Chippewa Falls, WI) is more available in the west.


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:16:56 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:47:40 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote:

Anonymous wrote
in roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand,
stain and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he
spilled his beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot
rear its ugly head when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really matter
-- everything will look the same in the end.

That's the best idea yet, but you probably just gave Mike a heart
attack by suggesting someone use beer in that manor!

Not Mike. You meant to say -Mike-. There is a difference...

You're right. I'll try not to make that mistake again.

On 1/18/14, 10:16 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:47:40 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote:

Anonymous wrote in
roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand, stain
and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he spilled his
beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot rear its ugly head
when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really matter -- everything will look the
same in the end.

That's the best idea yet, but you probably just gave Mike a heart
attack by suggesting someone use beer in that manor!


Well, I don't know. We may have accidentally stumbled upon a decent use
for Bud lite. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:16:56 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:47:40 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote:

Anonymous wrote
in roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to
sand, stain and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished.
Well he spilled his beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will
the spot rear its ugly head when I get to stain and poly it in
the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really
matter -- everything will look the same in the end.

That's the best idea yet, but you probably just gave Mike a heart
attack by suggesting someone use beer in that manor!

Not Mike. You meant to say -Mike-. There is a difference...

You're right. I'll try not to make that mistake again.

Phew! That saves me a lot of explanations...

--

-Mike-

-MIKE- wrote:
On 1/18/14, 10:16 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:47:40 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote:

Anonymous wrote
in roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to
sand, stain and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished.
Well he spilled his beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will
the spot rear its ugly head when I get to stain and poly it in the
spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really
matter -- everything will look the same in the end.

That's the best idea yet, but you probably just gave Mike a heart
attack by suggesting someone use beer in that manor!


Well, I don't know. We may have accidentally stumbled upon a decent
use for Bud lite. :-)

Not freakin' likely...

--

-Mike-

On 1/19/2014 9:00 AM, willshak wrote:
Richard wrote:
On 1/18/2014 11:15 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
Anonymouscaedfaa9ed1216d60ef78a6f660f5f85_8180@ex ample.com wrote in
roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand,
stain and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he
spilled his beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot
rear its ugly head when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really matter
-- everything will look the same in the end.

That's one hell of a waste of good beer! I suppose you could use cheap
beer - like maybe Utica Club...


In Texas we would use a foreign beer for this job.

Something like Budweiser or Miller.

It's hard to find a beer brand that isn't owned by a foreign country.
For an all-American brand that is family owned and brewed in Pottsville,
PA, try Yuengling.
They claim it is the oldest US brewery and Google seems to support that
statement.



That's what I'm sayin...

We drink Shiner Boch around here.

Spoetzl Brewery is a brewery located in Shiner, Texas, USA. The brewery
produces the popular line of Shiner Beers, including their flagship
Shiner Bock, a dark lager that is now distributed in 43 states. The
brewery is owned by The Gambrinus Company, a family-owned company in San
Antonio.

On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:27:02 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:16:56 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:47:40 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote:

Anonymous wrote
in roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to
sand, stain and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished.
Well he spilled his beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will
the spot rear its ugly head when I get to stain and poly it in
the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really
matter -- everything will look the same in the end.

That's the best idea yet, but you probably just gave Mike a heart
attack by suggesting someone use beer in that manor!

Not Mike. You meant to say -Mike-. There is a difference...

You're right. I'll try not to make that mistake again.

Phew! That saves me a lot of explanations...

You can be my brother Mike, and he can be my other brother Mike... or
is it Darryl and Darryl?

"Anonymous" wrote in
message roups.com...
Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand, stain
and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he spilled his
beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot rear its ugly head
when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?
Red oak - probably the worst wood you could spill any liquid onto. It has
tiny pores that run a long way through the wood along the grain, these pores
are hollow and will draw the liquid into the wood. Any hand sanding will
never remove the residue and sugars from the spilled beer as they will be
too deep in the pores. Power planing may remove enough surface wood to
expose unbeered wood. Either replace the shelf or treat the entire board or
project to a wash in beer to make it finish evenly. Next time don't use any
wood in its unfinished state if you want to eventually finish it.

On 1/19/14 10:42 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 1/18/14, 10:16 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:47:40 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote:

Anonymous wrote in
roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand,
stain
and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he spilled his
beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot rear its ugly head
when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really matter
-- everything will look the
same in the end.

That's the best idea yet, but you probably just gave Mike a heart
attack by suggesting someone use beer in that manor!


Well, I don't know. We may have accidentally stumbled upon a decent use
for Bud lite. :-)



I thought the suggestion was to wipe down all boards with _beer_. Using
a pale straw colored concoction infused with alcohol probably is a poor
substitute for using beer.

-BR

EXT wrote:
"Anonymous" wrote
in message
roups.com...
Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand,
stain and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he
spilled his beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot
rear its ugly head when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?
Red oak - probably the worst wood you could spill any liquid onto. It
has tiny pores that run a long way through the wood along the grain,
these pores are hollow and will draw the liquid into the wood. Any
hand sanding will never remove the residue and sugars from the
spilled beer as they will be too deep in the pores. Power planing may
remove enough surface wood to expose unbeered wood. Either replace
the shelf or treat the entire board or project to a wash in beer to
make it finish evenly. Next time don't use any wood in its unfinished
state if you want to eventually finish it.

This is good, but why a water and/or a water/soap wash not work? The water
and/or the water/soap is going to infiltrate those fibers the very same way
that the original beer spill did.

--

-Mike-

On 1/20/14, 9:23 AM, Brewster wrote:
On 1/19/14 10:42 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 1/18/14, 10:16 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:47:40 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote:

Anonymous wrote in
roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand,
stain
and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he spilled
his
beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot rear its ugly
head
when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really matter
-- everything will look the
same in the end.

That's the best idea yet, but you probably just gave Mike a heart
attack by suggesting someone use beer in that manor!


Well, I don't know. We may have accidentally stumbled upon a decent use
for Bud lite. :-)



I thought the suggestion was to wipe down all boards with _beer_. Using
a pale straw colored concoction infused with alcohol probably is a poor
substitute for using beer.

-BR


"a pale straw colored concoction infused with alcohol"

That's the definition of Bud Lite. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

-MIKE- writes:
On 1/20/14, 9:23 AM, Brewster wrote:
On 1/19/14 10:42 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 1/18/14, 10:16 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:47:40 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote:

Anonymous wrote in
roups.com:

Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand,
stain
and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he spilled
his
beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot rear its ugly
head
when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?

Wipe *all* of the boards down with beer. Then it won't really matter
-- everything will look the
same in the end.

That's the best idea yet, but you probably just gave Mike a heart
attack by suggesting someone use beer in that manor!


Well, I don't know. We may have accidentally stumbled upon a decent use
for Bud lite. :-)



I thought the suggestion was to wipe down all boards with _beer_. Using
a pale straw colored concoction infused with alcohol probably is a poor
substitute for using beer.

-BR


"a pale straw colored concoction infused with alcohol"

That's the definition of Bud Lite. :-)


or superblonde shellac...

On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:58:02 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

EXT wrote:
"Anonymous" wrote
in message
roups.com...
Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand,
stain and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he
spilled his beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot
rear its ugly head when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?
Red oak - probably the worst wood you could spill any liquid onto. It
has tiny pores that run a long way through the wood along the grain,
these pores are hollow and will draw the liquid into the wood. Any
hand sanding will never remove the residue and sugars from the
spilled beer as they will be too deep in the pores. Power planing may
remove enough surface wood to expose unbeered wood. Either replace
the shelf or treat the entire board or project to a wash in beer to
make it finish evenly. Next time don't use any wood in its unfinished
state if you want to eventually finish it.

This is good, but why a water and/or a water/soap wash not work? The water
and/or the water/soap is going to infiltrate those fibers the very same way
that the original beer spill did.
and wash the spilled beer out. - eventually.

I'd wash the poluted wood with methyl hydrate, flooding the surface,
then blotting it dry - several times.

On Monday, January 20, 2014 10:58:02 AM UTC-6, Mike Marlow wrote:

This is good, but why a water and/or a water/soap wash not work? The water

and/or the water/soap is going to infiltrate those fibers the very same way

that the original beer spill did.


Wow... this thread is going from weird to surreal. Soon someone will suggest that the piece be sent to a lab in Germany for testing, then treatment at an undisclosed location using products that don't exist... or do they? This is probably an pretty simple problem (but we don't know without details as the OP bugged out)and no extensive wood rehabilitation (really... board planing?) is needed. Surely there are others out there that have experience finishing/refinishing contaminated surfaces...

Water on a piece of oak might stain almost as much as the beer did. And never use any soap in unsealed wood as it will leave a residue that is almost impossible to remove or seal over. Worse, the soap (which is most likely a surfactant of some sort) will simply redistribute the remaining dried particles over the area you are cleaning/washing.

Unless allowed to stand with a liquid on it, wood, even oak (don't panic over the tubules), absorbs very little liquid when exposed. I did some of my own experiments after reading how little penetration wood finishes get, and was literally stunned at low little finish of any sort is absorbed by wood. Whether the finish is thick or thin, the amount of surface penetration is probably nor more than a very few thousands at best. A simple spill is not different.

While we were not given any additional information to help with a better diagnosis, under normal circumstances it would be likely that the project had beer spilled on it and was immediately wiped down. If this is the case, the remaining residue can be wiped off with mineral spirits and a porous rag, then after completely dry, a little sanding. Loosened particles that contain the last of the beer should be easily dusted away at this point, then a quick wipe with a rage moistened with mineral spirits should do the trick.

Robert

On Saturday, January 18, 2014 8:45:01 AM UTC-8, Anonymous wrote:
Red oak boards being used as shelves. Was too wet and cold to sand, stain

and poly them so my husband put them up unfinished. Well he spilled his

beer on one. Will sanding be enough or will the spot rear its ugly head

when I get to stain and poly it in the spring?





--

Soak all boards in same beer. Let dry. Then stain and finish as you wish.

On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:51:43 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, January 20, 2014 10:58:02 AM UTC-6, Mike Marlow wrote:

This is good, but why a water and/or a water/soap wash not work? The water

and/or the water/soap is going to infiltrate those fibers the very same way

that the original beer spill did.


Wow... this thread is going from weird to surreal. Soon someone will suggest that the piece be sent to a lab in Germany for testing, then treatment at an undisclosed location using products that don't exist... or do they? This is probably an pretty simple problem (but we don't know without details as the OP bugged out)and no extensive wood rehabilitation (really... board planing?) is needed. Surely there are others out there that have experience finishing/refinishing contaminated surfaces...

Water on a piece of oak might stain almost as much as the beer did. And never use any soap in unsealed wood as it will leave a residue that is almost impossible to remove or seal over. Worse, the soap (which is most likely a surfactant of some sort) will simply redistribute the remaining dried particles over the area you are cleaning/washing.

Unless allowed to stand with a liquid on it, wood, even oak (don't panic over the tubules), absorbs very little liquid when exposed. I did some of my own experiments after reading how little penetration wood finishes get, and was literally stunned at low little finish of any sort is absorbed by wood. Whether the finish is thick or thin, the amount of surface penetration is probably nor more than a very few thousands at best. A simple spill is not different.

While we were not given any additional information to help with a better diagnosis, under normal circumstances it would be likely that the project had beer spilled on it and was immediately wiped down. If this is the case, the remaining residue can be wiped off with mineral spirits and a porous rag, then after completely dry, a little sanding. Loosened particles that contain the last of the beer should be easily dusted away at this point, then a quick wipe with a rage moistened with mineral spirits should do the trick.

Now Robert BEER was spilled!!!

Mark

On Monday, January 20, 2014 8:24:54 PM UTC-6, Markem wrote:
..

Now Robert BEER was spilled!!!


Mark

Well... I was trying to overlook the obvious, pointless tragedy. Had that been one of my friends that spilled his beer on a board, the question would have been "can anyone tell me what I need to do to get tongue marks off my shelf? It looks like the dog lapped this board dry. Will spit and drool ruin my finish later on?"

Robert

On 1/20/2014 12:51 PM, wrote:
On Monday, January 20, 2014 10:58:02 AM UTC-6, Mike Marlow wrote:

This is good, but why a water and/or a water/soap wash not work? The water

and/or the water/soap is going to infiltrate those fibers the very same way

that the original beer spill did.


Wow... this thread is going from weird to surreal. Soon someone will suggest that the piece be sent to a lab in Germany for testing, then treatment at an undisclosed location using products that don't exist... or do they? This is probably an pretty simple problem (but we don't know without details as the OP bugged out)and no extensive wood rehabilitation (really... board planing?) is needed. Surely there are others out there that have experience finishing/refinishing contaminated surfaces...

Water on a piece of oak might stain almost as much as the beer did. And never use any soap in unsealed wood as it will leave a residue that is almost impossible to remove or seal over. Worse, the soap (which is most likely a surfactant of some sort) will simply redistribute the remaining dried particles over the area you are cleaning/washing.

Unless allowed to stand with a liquid on it, wood, even oak (don't panic over the tubules), absorbs very little liquid when exposed. I did some of my own experiments after reading how little penetration wood finishes get, and was literally stunned at low little finish of any sort is absorbed by wood. Whether the finish is thick or thin, the amount of surface penetration is probably nor more than a very few thousands at best. A simple spill is not different.

While we were not given any additional information to help with a better diagnosis, under normal circumstances it would be likely that the project had beer spilled on it and was immediately wiped down. If this is the case, the remaining residue can be wiped off with mineral spirits and a porous rag, then after completely dry, a little sanding. Loosened particles that contain the last of the beer should be easily dusted away at this point, then a quick wipe with a rage moistened with mineral spirits should do the trick.

Robert



Next up, perhaps the board should be sent up to the space station to see
how it will clean up under zero gravity conditions.

On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 7:54:02 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:

Next up, perhaps the board should be sent up to the space station to see

how it will clean up under zero gravity conditions.

Have no doubt, if it shows up on Google as posted by someone that swears they heard it from an expert, it will show up here!

Robert

On 1/21/2014 12:02 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 7:54:02 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:

Next up, perhaps the board should be sent up to the space station to see

how it will clean up under zero gravity conditions.

Have no doubt, if it shows up on Google as posted by someone that swears they heard it from an expert, it will show up here!

The obvious question is what kind of beer, if it was a Belgian Lambic,
there will be staining, Bud Light, not likely.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:12:45 -0500, FrozenNorth
The obvious question is what kind of beer, if it was a Belgian Lambic,
there will be staining, Bud Light, not likely.

A good Canadian beer. My choice is Sleeman Cream Ale.

Leon wrote:
On 1/20/2014 12:51 PM, wrote:
On Monday, January 20, 2014 10:58:02 AM UTC-6, Mike Marlow wrote:

This is good, but why a water and/or a water/soap wash not work? The
water and/or the water/soap is going to infiltrate those fibers the very
same way that the original beer spill did.


Wow... this thread is going from weird to surreal. Soon someone
will suggest that the piece be sent to a lab in Germany for testing,
then treatment at an undisclosed location using products that don't
exist... or do they? This is probably an pretty simple problem (but
we don't know without details as the OP bugged out)and no extensive
wood rehabilitation (really... board planing?) is needed. Surely
there are others out there that have experience
finishing/refinishing contaminated surfaces... Water on a piece of
oak might stain almost as much as the beer did. And never use any soap in
unsealed wood as it will leave a residue
that is almost impossible to remove or seal over. Worse, the soap
(which is most likely a surfactant of some sort) will simply
redistribute the remaining dried particles over the area you are
cleaning/washing. Unless allowed to stand with a liquid on it, wood,
even oak (don't
panic over the tubules), absorbs very little liquid when exposed. I
did some of my own experiments after reading how little penetration
wood finishes get, and was literally stunned at low little finish of
any sort is absorbed by wood. Whether the finish is thick or thin,
the amount of surface penetration is probably nor more than a very
few thousands at best. A simple spill is not different. While we
were not given any additional information to help with a
better diagnosis, under normal circumstances it would be likely that
the project had beer spilled on it and was immediately wiped down. If
this is the case, the remaining residue can be wiped off with
mineral spirits and a porous rag, then after completely dry, a
little sanding. Loosened particles that contain the last of the beer
should be easily dusted away at this point, then a quick wipe with a
rage moistened with mineral spirits should do the trick. Robert



Next up, perhaps the board should be sent up to the space station to
see how it will clean up under zero gravity conditions.

Wow - all of this over a simple suggestion to wipe it down with water - and
maybe a little soap? I've done both over decades with absolutely no
problems. Can't understand how this is getting this big.

--

-Mike-

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:12:45 -0500, FrozenNorth
The obvious question is what kind of beer, if it was a Belgian
Lambic, there will be staining, Bud Light, not likely.

A good Canadian beer. My choice is Sleeman Cream Ale.

So wrong! A good Canadian beer is worth licking up.

--

-Mike-