Better keep your eyes open if you are shipping for DeWalt power tools, a
look alike tool is about to hit the shelves.



http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordl...y=201 3-09-24

"Leon" wrote in message
...

Better keep your eyes open if you are shipping for DeWalt power tools, a
look alike tool is about to hit the shelves.



http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordl...y=201 3-09-24


I wastold Blacl & decker bought DeWalt. Any one know if this is true? WW

WW wrote:


"Leon" wrote in message
...

Better keep your eyes open if you are shipping for DeWalt power tools, a
look alike tool is about to hit the shelves.



http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordl...y=201 3-09-24



I wastold Blacl & decker bought DeWalt. Any one know if this is true? WW

Yes, it is true, and also true is that besides that, Stanley bought
Black & Decker, Porter Cable, and Delta.

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"WW" wrote:

http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordl...y=201 3-09-24


I wastold Blacl & decker bought DeWalt. Any one know if this is
true? WW
---------------------------------
At least 15 years ago.

Lew

On 9/24/2013 3:04 PM, WW wrote:


"Leon" wrote in message
...

Better keep your eyes open if you are shipping for DeWalt power tools, a
look alike tool is about to hit the shelves.



http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordl...y=201 3-09-24



I wastold Blacl & decker bought DeWalt. Any one know if this is true? WW


LOL, True and possibly before you were born! Certainly before the 80's
as their tools were identical except perhaps in color.

On 9/24/2013 4:23 PM, willshak wrote:
WW wrote:


"Leon" wrote in message
...

Better keep your eyes open if you are shipping for DeWalt power tools, a
look alike tool is about to hit the shelves.



http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordl...y=201 3-09-24



I wastold Blacl & decker bought DeWalt. Any one know if this is
true? WW

Yes, it is true, and also true is that besides that, Stanley bought
Black & Decker, Porter Cable, and Delta.

Merger...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Black_%26_Decker

Ever since B&D went to China, everything with it's name on it that I
bought, has broken. From coffee maker to power drill to hedge trimmer,
it is all junk. Sends a shiver up my spine thinking what else they can
ruin. YMMV.

Jeff

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

Better keep your eyes open if you are shipping for DeWalt power tools, a
look alike tool is about to hit the shelves.



http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordl...y=201 3-09-24

I don't understand what's so special about DeWalt? Is there *really*
space between DeWalt and Porter Cable to squeeze another line?

On 9/24/2013 6:30 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

Better keep your eyes open if you are shipping for DeWalt power tools, a
look alike tool is about to hit the shelves.



http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordl...y=201 3-09-24

I don't understand what's so special about DeWalt? Is there *really*
space between DeWalt and Porter Cable to squeeze another line?



I kinda caught on to that too. BUT once upon a time B&D was a quality
and reputable power tool and by the way things have seemed to go in the
past ten or so years one could say, Once upon a time PC was a quality
and reputable power tool.

It seems that B&D power hand tools have been on the very slippery
downward slope since they started building DeWalt power hand tools.

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:17:21 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 9/24/2013 6:30 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

Better keep your eyes open if you are shipping for DeWalt power tools, a
look alike tool is about to hit the shelves.



http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordl...y=201 3-09-24

I don't understand what's so special about DeWalt? Is there *really*
space between DeWalt and Porter Cable to squeeze another line?



I kinda caught on to that too. BUT once upon a time B&D was a quality
and reputable power tool and by the way things have seemed to go in the
past ten or so years one could say, Once upon a time PC was a quality
and reputable power tool.

Agreed, though I think B&D started going downhill long before they
bought the others.

It seems that B&D power hand tools have been on the very slippery
downward slope since they started building DeWalt power hand tools.

Long before that. I've had some real junk with the B&D name on it.

Don't get me wrong, DeWalt isn't a terrible brand but it certainly
isn't anywhere near the top. Porter Cable still have some decent
stuff (routers, mostly) but most has slumped to the B&D level. I
could see a higher end than B&D but not another lower.

Bostich had a great name. It really is a shame to see it being
marketed as sub-DeWalt.

"Leon" wrote in message
...

On 9/24/2013 3:04 PM, WW wrote:


"Leon" wrote in message
...

Better keep your eyes open if you are shipping for DeWalt power tools, a
look alike tool is about to hit the shelves.



http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordl...y=201 3-09-24



I wastold Blacl & decker bought DeWalt. Any one know if this is true? WW


LOL, True and possibly before you were born! Certainly before the 80's
as their tools were identical except perhaps in color.

Leon Before I was born? No way. Born 1927 WWll Navy and sea bees.. WW

The following caught my attention in the article referenced herein.

"There's a sizeable gap in price and performance between DeWalt and Porter-Cable. This new line of power tools seems intended to fill that gap by appealing to budget-conscious pros who want something better than Porter-Cable but may not need or be able to afford DeWalt."

When did Porter Cable stop being a professional carpenter brand? Porter Cable was all Norm Abram used on the New Yankee Workshop. I think he qualifies as a pro carpenter-woodworker. I think of the following brands as pro tools. Bosch, DeWalt, Porter Cable, Milwaukee, Makita. Hilti, Metabo, and some of the other European brands are a bit different.

On 9/24/2013 10:31 PM, wrote:
The following caught my attention in the article referenced herein.

"There's a sizeable gap in price and performance between DeWalt and Porter-Cable. This new line of power tools seems intended to fill that gap by appealing to budget-conscious pros who want something better than Porter-Cable but may not need or be able to afford DeWalt."

When did Porter Cable stop being a professional carpenter brand? Porter Cable was all Norm Abram used on the New Yankee Workshop. I think he qualifies as a pro carpenter-woodworker. I think of the following brands as pro tools. Bosch, DeWalt, Porter Cable, Milwaukee, Makita. Hilti, Metabo, and some of the other European brands are a bit different.



Pro grade does not mean quality. PC quality has been slipping since the
late 90's.

On 9/24/2013 8:47 PM, WW wrote:


"Leon" wrote in message
...

On 9/24/2013 3:04 PM, WW wrote:


"Leon" wrote in message
...

Better keep your eyes open if you are shipping for DeWalt power tools, a
look alike tool is about to hit the shelves.



http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordl...y=201 3-09-24




I wastold Blacl & decker bought DeWalt. Any one know if this is
true? WW


LOL, True and possibly before you were born! Certainly before the 80's
as their tools were identical except perhaps in color.

Leon Before I was born? No way. Born 1927 WWll Navy and sea bees.. WW


LOL, I did not know your age but some here that would have qualified.
B&D actually bought DeWalt in 1960. About 20~25 years ago. DeWalt
started producing power hand tools vs the larger stationary machines.
AFWIW DeWalt invented the Radial Arm Saw.

On 9/24/2013 7:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:17:21 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 9/24/2013 6:30 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

Better keep your eyes open if you are shipping for DeWalt power tools, a
look alike tool is about to hit the shelves.



http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordl...y=201 3-09-24

I don't understand what's so special about DeWalt? Is there *really*
space between DeWalt and Porter Cable to squeeze another line?



I kinda caught on to that too. BUT once upon a time B&D was a quality
and reputable power tool and by the way things have seemed to go in the
past ten or so years one could say, Once upon a time PC was a quality
and reputable power tool.

Agreed, though I think B&D started going downhill long before they
bought the others.

It seems that B&D power hand tools have been on the very slippery
downward slope since they started building DeWalt power hand tools.

Long before that. I've had some real junk with the B&D name on it.

Don't get me wrong, DeWalt isn't a terrible brand but it certainly
isn't anywhere near the top. Porter Cable still have some decent
stuff (routers, mostly) but most has slumped to the B&D level. I
could see a higher end than B&D but not another lower.

Bostich had a great name. It really is a shame to see it being
marketed as sub-DeWalt.

IMHO DeWalt is good but I too feel that there are better brand tools out
there. I had some PC sanders that were top notch but that was in the
early 90's. I don't think they ever could build a decent cordless
drill. ;~) I don't think you can go wrong with Makita and some
Milwaukee stuff, especially the corded tools. I have never been impress
with Bosch drills and or impacts. On occasion I have used Bosch drills
of in the past 25 years and oddly enough had them fail every time I used
them. Some where along the line I apparently won a Bosch impact, it
showed up on my door step addressed to me shipped directly from Bosch
and no explanation. It is the 18~19 volt variety and I previously owned
a 12 volt Makita impact. I still prefer the Makita over the Bosch.
There was not a job that I did not use the Makita impact until I got a
Festool T15-3 cordless drill. That drill has replaced my old Makita
drill and impact and Bosch impact. I have not used any of the impacts
in the last 21 months. I do have two Bosch routers that are very good
and a B&d router from 1974 that is a great little tool.

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 22:48:58 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
and a B&d router from 1974 that is a great little tool.

++1. I too have (and still use) a 1hp B&D router I received in 1972
for my 18th birthday. It's mostly metal construction with just a
little plastic for the baseplate and the handles. When I pass by
present day mostly plastic 1hp B&D routers in the stores, it makes me
want to gag.

I made the mistake of loaning it to my bother about five years ago. To
get it back, I went out and bought him one of the newer plastic junk
routers and traded it to him for the old one. Damned if that's the
last time I loan it to *anyone*.

wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 22:48:58 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
and a B&d router from 1974 that is a great little tool.

++1. I too have (and still use) a 1hp B&D router I received in 1972
for my 18th birthday. It's mostly metal construction with just a
little plastic for the baseplate and the handles. When I pass by
present day mostly plastic 1hp B&D routers in the stores, it makes me
want to gag.

I made the mistake of loaning it to my bother about five years ago. To
get it back, I went out and bought him one of the newer plastic junk
routers and traded it to him for the old one. Damned if that's the
last time I loan it to *anyone*.

I recall the first routers that DeWalt came out with looked exactly like
that B&D router. Except for being yellow.

On 9/24/2013 11:31 PM, wrote:
++1. I too have (and still use) a 1hp B&D router I received in 1972
for my 18th birthday. It's mostly metal construction with just a
little plastic for the baseplate and the handles. When I pass by
present day mostly plastic 1hp B&D routers in the stores, it makes me
want to gag.

I made the mistake of loaning it to my bother about five years ago. To
get it back, I went out and bought him one of the newer plastic junk
routers and traded it to him for the old one. Damned if that's the
last time I loan it to*anyone*.

40 years +/-, and still going strong.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...39038191291490

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On 9/24/2013 10:31 PM, wrote:

When did Porter Cable stop being a professional carpenter brand?

'Bout the same time "professional" carpenters started becoming extinct,
and getting boob jobs for TV.

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On 9/24/2013 10:38 PM, Leon wrote:
....

AFWIW DeWalt invented the Radial Arm Saw.

And that was the man DeWalt, not yet the company he formed...

--

On 9/25/2013 8:22 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 9/24/2013 11:31 PM, wrote:
++1. I too have (and still use) a 1hp B&D router I received in 1972
for my 18th birthday. It's mostly metal construction with just a
little plastic for the baseplate and the handles. When I pass by
present day mostly plastic 1hp B&D routers in the stores, it makes me
want to gag.

I made the mistake of loaning it to my bother about five years ago. To
get it back, I went out and bought him one of the newer plastic junk
routers and traded it to him for the old one. Damned if that's the
last time I loan it to*anyone*.

40 years +/-, and still going strong.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...39038191291490



DAMN That scared me when you turned it on! I had the sound turned up.

On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:09:24 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...39038191291490
DAMN That scared me when you turned it on! I had the sound turned up.

Really? I didn't hear anything, just saw a bunch of the mixed pictures
that Karl posts on occasion.

On 9/25/13 8:22 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 9/24/2013 11:31 PM, wrote:
++1. I too have (and still use) a 1hp B&D router I received in 1972
for my 18th birthday. It's mostly metal construction with just a
little plastic for the baseplate and the handles. When I pass by
present day mostly plastic 1hp B&D routers in the stores, it makes me
want to gag.

I made the mistake of loaning it to my bother about five years ago. To
get it back, I went out and bought him one of the newer plastic junk
routers and traded it to him for the old one. Damned if that's the
last time I loan it to*anyone*.

40 years +/-, and still going strong.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...39038191291490



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9zSfinwFA

:-p

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On 9/25/2013 9:41 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 9/25/13 8:22 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 9/24/2013 11:31 PM, wrote:
++1. I too have (and still use) a 1hp B&D router I received in 1972
for my 18th birthday. It's mostly metal construction with just a
little plastic for the baseplate and the handles. When I pass by
present day mostly plastic 1hp B&D routers in the stores, it makes me
want to gag.

I made the mistake of loaning it to my bother about five years ago. To
get it back, I went out and bought him one of the newer plastic junk
routers and traded it to him for the old one. Damned if that's the
last time I loan it to*anyone*.

40 years +/-, and still going strong.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...39038191291490




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9zSfinwFA

:-p


LOL IIRC, I did that, a year or so ago on G+, just to **** you off,
Mike.

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On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 22:48:58 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 9/24/2013 7:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:17:21 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 9/24/2013 6:30 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

Better keep your eyes open if you are shipping for DeWalt power tools, a
look alike tool is about to hit the shelves.



http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordl...y=201 3-09-24

I don't understand what's so special about DeWalt? Is there *really*
space between DeWalt and Porter Cable to squeeze another line?



I kinda caught on to that too. BUT once upon a time B&D was a quality
and reputable power tool and by the way things have seemed to go in the
past ten or so years one could say, Once upon a time PC was a quality
and reputable power tool.

Agreed, though I think B&D started going downhill long before they
bought the others.

It seems that B&D power hand tools have been on the very slippery
downward slope since they started building DeWalt power hand tools.

Long before that. I've had some real junk with the B&D name on it.

Don't get me wrong, DeWalt isn't a terrible brand but it certainly
isn't anywhere near the top. Porter Cable still have some decent
stuff (routers, mostly) but most has slumped to the B&D level. I
could see a higher end than B&D but not another lower.

Bostich had a great name. It really is a shame to see it being
marketed as sub-DeWalt.

IMHO DeWalt is good but I too feel that there are better brand tools out
there. I had some PC sanders that were top notch but that was in the
early 90's. I don't think they ever could build a decent cordless
drill. ;~)

I have a 14V PC cordless. I liked it but don't use it anymore mainly
because it's too heavy for overhead use and I have better now (the
batteries went kaput and they were too expensive to replace). I
wouldn't buy any of the new garbage. OTOH, the PC690 and PC7518 (have
a motor in a lift) are still reasonable routers.

I don't think you can go wrong with Makita and some
Milwaukee stuff, especially the corded tools. I have never been impress
with Bosch drills and or impacts. On occasion I have used Bosch drills
of in the past 25 years and oddly enough had them fail every time I used
them. Some where along the line I apparently won a Bosch impact, it
showed up on my door step addressed to me shipped directly from Bosch
and no explanation. It is the 18~19 volt variety and I previously owned
a 12 volt Makita impact. I still prefer the Makita over the Bosch.
There was not a job that I did not use the Makita impact until I got a
Festool T15-3 cordless drill. That drill has replaced my old Makita
drill and impact and Bosch impact. I have not used any of the impacts
in the last 21 months. I do have two Bosch routers that are very good
and a B&d router from 1974 that is a great little tool.

I really like my Bosch drills and drivers (have eight ;-). I didn't
really like the older Makitas. I've gone through way too many
batteries on them.

In article ,
wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 22:48:58 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
and a B&d router from 1974 that is a great little tool.

++1. I too have (and still use) a 1hp B&D router I received in 1972
for my 18th birthday. It's mostly metal construction with just a
little plastic for the baseplate and the handles. When I pass by
present day mostly plastic 1hp B&D routers in the stores, it makes me
want to gag.

I made the mistake of loaning it to my bother about five years ago. To
get it back, I went out and bought him one of the newer plastic junk
routers and traded it to him for the old one. Damned if that's the
last time I loan it to *anyone*.

Something from the 7610 series? I have one of roughly the same vintage that
is still the 1st router I reach for unless I need something with a lot
more hp. It's a nice, compact unit, good quality and performance. I'm
a hobbyist, not a professionial, but even so, 40 +/- years old and never
even had to replace the switch or brushes. I've bought plenty of
"premium" name tools since then that have not held up so well.


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On 9/24/2013 11:34 PM, Leon wrote:
On 9/24/2013 10:31 PM, wrote:
The following caught my attention in the article referenced herein.

"There's a sizeable gap in price and performance between DeWalt and
Porter-Cable. This new line of power tools seems intended to fill that
gap by appealing to budget-conscious pros who want something better
than Porter-Cable but may not need or be able to afford DeWalt."

When did Porter Cable stop being a professional carpenter brand?
Porter Cable was all Norm Abram used on the New Yankee Workshop. I
think he qualifies as a pro carpenter-woodworker. I think of the
following brands as pro tools. Bosch, DeWalt, Porter Cable,
Milwaukee, Makita. Hilti, Metabo, and some of the other European
brands are a bit different.



Pro grade does not mean quality. PC quality has been slipping since the
late 90's.

Quite true, B&D trashed the company.

But then again B&D is total trash.



--
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On 9/25/13 10:55 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 9/25/2013 9:41 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 9/25/13 8:22 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 9/24/2013 11:31 PM, wrote:
++1. I too have (and still use) a 1hp B&D router I received in 1972
for my 18th birthday. It's mostly metal construction with just a
little plastic for the baseplate and the handles. When I pass by
present day mostly plastic 1hp B&D routers in the stores, it makes me
want to gag.

I made the mistake of loaning it to my bother about five years ago. To
get it back, I went out and bought him one of the newer plastic junk
routers and traded it to him for the old one. Damned if that's the
last time I loan it to*anyone*.

40 years +/-, and still going strong.

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...39038191291490





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9zSfinwFA

:-p


LOL IIRC, I did that, a year or so ago on G+, just to **** you off,
Mike.


Well it worked, you son of a !!!!!
:-p

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On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

Better keep your eyes open if you are shipping for DeWalt power tools, a
look alike tool is about to hit the shelves.



http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordl...y=201 3-09-24


The line below, copied from the announcement, tells me there won't be
much quality in the tools.

The new line of tools is expected to hit the shelves in October – first at Walmart and then later at other stores

On 9/26/2013 9:26 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:31:04 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

Better keep your eyes open if you are shipping for DeWalt power tools, a
look alike tool is about to hit the shelves.



http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/cordl...y=201 3-09-24


The line below, copied from the announcement, tells me there won't be
much quality in the tools.

The new line of tools is expected to hit the shelves in October – first at Walmart and then later at other stores


Agreed, the first retailer offering the tools is not my first source for
buying top quality tools. Obviously the product is aimed at the
"WallMart shopper" category of shopper.