Hi,

We are getting custom made cabinets at about $1200/linear foot.
Plywood cabinets with stained oak faces. Mission style with inset
doors.

1. The first picture shows the gap between two cabinet doors that
close towards each other:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap1.jpg

I think that the gap is too big. Or should I expect a 1/4" gap?

2. The second picture shows the gap between the box and the face. It's
on the left of the pictu

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap2.jpg

There are some strange nail-looking things in that gap as if it was
intentional. But I'm not sure what its purpose might be.

Thank you in advance for all the input!

Sam

On Nov 5, 10:08*pm, Sam Takoy wrote:
Hi,

We are getting custom made cabinets at about $1200/linear foot.
Plywood cabinets with stained oak faces. Mission style with inset
doors.

1. The first picture shows the gap between two cabinet doors that
close towards each other:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap1.jpg

I think that the gap is too big. Or should I expect a 1/4" gap?

2. The second picture shows the gap between the box and the face. It's
on the left of the pictu

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap2.jpg

There are some strange nail-looking things in that gap as if it was
intentional. But I'm not sure what its purpose might be.

Thank you in advance for all the input!

Sam

If I am seeing what I think I'm seeing in your photos:

- The hinge gap is adjustable if they used the Blum or "Euro" style
hinges. Gap between doors will vary a bit with temp and humidity but
1/4" is excessive

- I would hate to think I paid $1,200/foot for cabinets that look like
the second picture. I am assuming that is a biscuit holding the face
from the case. If I am seeing shelf pin holes, they are pathetic. At
the price they are charging, they should be able to afford sharp drill
bits.

What part of the country are you from? We live in SE Kansas I we
bought a set of beautiful, Mission styled cabinets at a fraction of
the $1,200 you mentioned. If you haven't purchased yet, keep
shopping.

RonB

On 11/5/2011 11:08 PM, Sam Takoy wrote:
Hi,

We are getting custom made cabinets at about $1200/linear foot.
Plywood cabinets with stained oak faces. Mission style with inset
doors.

1. The first picture shows the gap between two cabinet doors that
close towards each other:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap1.jpg

I think that the gap is too big. Or should I expect a 1/4" gap?

2. The second picture shows the gap between the box and the face. It's
on the left of the pictu

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap2.jpg

There are some strange nail-looking things in that gap as if it was
intentional. But I'm not sure what its purpose might be.

Thank you in advance for all the input!

Sam


I'd be (politely at first) inviting the owner of the cabinet company
over for a look-see. Looks like sub-standard work to me, especially the
second picture. Those shelf-peg holes aren't even deburred, and they
didn't draw the face frame up to the box during assembly- that is a glue
biscuit showing in the gap. They MAY be able to do a field repair, but
if the side panel is out of square, the base cabinet may need to be rebuilt.

--
aem sends...

On Nov 5, 10:39*pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 11/5/2011 11:08 PM, Sam Takoy wrote:





Hi,

We are getting custom made cabinets at about $1200/linear foot.
Plywood cabinets with stained oak faces. Mission style with inset
doors.

1. The first picture shows the gap between two cabinet doors that
close towards each other:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap1.jpg

I think that the gap is too big. Or should I expect a 1/4" gap?

2. The second picture shows the gap between the box and the face. It's
on the left of the pictu

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap2.jpg

There are some strange nail-looking things in that gap as if it was
intentional. But I'm not sure what its purpose might be.

Thank you in advance for all the input!

Sam

I'd be (politely at first) inviting the owner of the cabinet company
over for a look-see. Looks like sub-standard work to me, especially the
second picture. Those shelf-peg holes aren't even deburred, and they
didn't draw the face frame up to the box during assembly- that is a glue
biscuit showing in the gap. They MAY be able to do a field repair, but
if the side panel is out of square, the base cabinet may need to be rebuilt.

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You'd be better off buying Kraft-maid at Home Depot than what you
showed in those pictures.

On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:08:29 -0700 (PDT), Sam Takoy
wrote:

Hi,

We are getting custom made cabinets at about $1200/linear foot.
Plywood cabinets with stained oak faces. Mission style with inset
doors.

1. The first picture shows the gap between two cabinet doors that
close towards each other:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap1.jpg

I think that the gap is too big. Or should I expect a 1/4" gap?

I would expect 1/8", or so. You can't adjust the doors? Modern hardware
makes this easy. If they didn't use decent hardware, you got taken.

2. The second picture shows the gap between the box and the face. It's
on the left of the pictu

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap2.jpg

The gap should be adjustable, too. The job they did on the shelf pin holes is
crappy, too. I like the wood, but those pin holes should *not* be split out.
It looks like the plywood delaminated when they drilled it (with a dull
nail?). Very bad!

There are some strange nail-looking things in that gap as if it was
intentional. But I'm not sure what its purpose might be.

Thank you in advance for all the input!

Sam

"hr(bob) " wrote in news:ba6b9e99-43e3-
:

You'd be better off buying Kraft-maid at Home Depot than what you
showed in those pictures.

We are very satisfied with the KraftMaid cabinets we bought 10 years ago.
We had them installed by people supervised by the contractor in charge of
our remodeling. We paid $8250 for all the cabinets in a small kitchen
makeover. I would to really have to go and measure everything to see how
much cabinet that is, and of course, today's prices will be different.
I'll post a picture in abpw of one of the top cabinets.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Han wrote in
:

"hr(bob) " wrote in
news:ba6b9e99-43e3-
:

You'd be better off buying Kraft-maid at Home Depot than what you
showed in those pictures.

We are very satisfied with the KraftMaid cabinets we bought 10 years
ago. We had them installed by people supervised by the contractor in
charge of our remodeling. We paid $8250 for all the cabinets in a
small kitchen makeover. I would to really have to go and measure
everything to see how much cabinet that is, and of course, today's
prices will be different. I'll post a picture in abpw of one of the
top cabinets.

Sorry for the little pull string from the ceiling light that looks strange
in the picture.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 11/5/2011 10:08 PM, Sam Takoy wrote:
Hi,

We are getting custom made cabinets at about $1200/linear foot.
Plywood cabinets with stained oak faces. Mission style with inset
doors.

1. The first picture shows the gap between two cabinet doors that
close towards each other:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap1.jpg

I think that the gap is too big. Or should I expect a 1/4" gap?

2. The second picture shows the gap between the box and the face. It's
on the left of the pictu

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap2.jpg

There are some strange nail-looking things in that gap as if it was
intentional. But I'm not sure what its purpose might be.

Thank you in advance for all the input!

Sam


Sam your cabinets are ALREADY falling apart!!!!!

Demand a refund.

On 06 Nov 2011 11:52:52 GMT, Han wrote:

"hr(bob) " wrote in news:ba6b9e99-43e3-
:

You'd be better off buying Kraft-maid at Home Depot than what you
showed in those pictures.

We are very satisfied with the KraftMaid cabinets we bought 10 years ago.
We had them installed by people supervised by the contractor in charge of
our remodeling. We paid $8250 for all the cabinets in a small kitchen
makeover. I would to really have to go and measure everything to see how
much cabinet that is, and of course, today's prices will be different.
I'll post a picture in abpw of one of the top cabinets.

tsk tsk tsk Ya really shoulda called Leon.

--
Live Simply. Speak Kindly. Care Deeply. Love Generously.
-- anon

Sam Takoy wrote:
Hi,

We are getting custom made cabinets at about $1200/linear foot.
Plywood cabinets with stained oak faces. Mission style with inset
doors.

1. The first picture shows the gap between two cabinet doors that
close towards each other:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap1.jpg

I think that the gap is too big. Or should I expect a 1/4" gap?

2. The second picture shows the gap between the box and the face. It's
on the left of the pictu

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap2.jpg

There are some strange nail-looking things in that gap as if it was
intentional. But I'm not sure what its purpose might be.

Thank you in advance for all the input!

Man, did *THAT* shop make out! I wouldn't pay $1200 per running foot for
cabinets if Jesus Christ himself were making them. But you did so regarding
your questions...

1. DOOR GAP
Way too much. If the doors were solid wood instead of frame and panel which
they appear to be, 1/8" - even less - should be plenty especially if the
door edges where they meet were beveled inward slightly as they should be.

You need a gap between the doors for two reasons: the first is so that the
doors will open...the distance from the hinge pivot point to the back edge
of the door at the opening is greater than it is to the front of the opening
(that is the reason for a bevel on the opening edge - to reduce the radius
thereby reducing the gap needed). The second is to accomodate seasonal
expansion/contraction of the wood in the doors. If the doors are solid
wood, that seasonal change is much greater then for doors that are made of a
frame with a panel inset into the frame (as yours appear to be). With frame
and panel, the gap between doors can be quite small...I live in Central
Florida (wet summers, dry winters) and the gap between frame & panel doors
of a cabinet I made for our screen porch is less than 1/16.

BTW, what *IS* the panel? And what are the two vertical, black bars over
your tape?

The existing gap can be mitigated in several ways...
a) adjustment of hinges (if possible) to move doors
b) a central vertical stile in the cabinet for the foors to close
against. That changes the cabinet interior from one space into two
c) rabbeting the backs of both doors along the full length of the
opening edge and insetting a piece in one for the other to close against.
You still have a gap but there is wood behind it. Doing this means that the
door without the inset has to be opened in order to open the other.

2. GAP BETWEEN FRAME & BOX

Totally unacceptable regardless of price. A sloppy, "I don't care a rat's
ass" job.

There should be NO gap there...the frame should be tight against the box.
The holes for shelf pins are butchered...the ply veneer has been torn and I
can think of no way to fix it other than ripping out a 1/2 - 3/4" dado,
insetting a piece of wood flush with the ply surface and then drilling new
holes.


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On Nov 6, 8:28*am, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
On 11/5/2011 10:08 PM, Sam Takoy wrote:

We are getting custom made cabinets at about $1200/linear foot.
Plywood cabinets with stained oak faces. Mission style with inset
doors.

1. The first picture shows the gap between two cabinet doors that
close towards each other:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap1.jpg

I think that the gap is too big. Or should I expect a 1/4" gap?

2. The second picture shows the gap between the box and the face. It's
on the left of the pictu

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap2.jpg

There are some strange nail-looking things in that gap as if it was
intentional. But I'm not sure what its purpose might be.

Thank you in advance for all the input!


Sam your cabinets are ALREADY falling apart!!!!!

Demand a refund.

And then slap the guy for me. What he did is downright insulting to
craftsmen everywhere.

That exposed biscuit looks bone dry. It's possible that the cabinet
was test-assembled dry, and then they forgot to take it apart and glue
it up. Check all of the other cabinets to see if their face frames
also have a gap to the cabinet body (carcase). Give a yank on the
face frames to see if they pull away from the carcases.

R

On Nov 6, 10:35*am, RicodJour wrote:
On Nov 6, 8:28*am, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:









On 11/5/2011 10:08 PM, Sam Takoy wrote:

We are getting custom made cabinets at about $1200/linear foot.
Plywood cabinets with stained oak faces. Mission style with inset
doors.

1. The first picture shows the gap between two cabinet doors that
close towards each other:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap1.jpg

I think that the gap is too big. Or should I expect a 1/4" gap?

2. The second picture shows the gap between the box and the face. It's
on the left of the pictu

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap2.jpg

There are some strange nail-looking things in that gap as if it was
intentional. But I'm not sure what its purpose might be.

Thank you in advance for all the input!

Sam your cabinets are ALREADY falling apart!!!!!

Demand a refund.

And then slap the guy for me. *What he did is downright insulting to
craftsmen everywhere.

That exposed biscuit looks bone dry. *It's possible that the cabinet
was test-assembled dry, and then they forgot to take it apart and glue
it up. *Check all of the other cabinets to see if their face frames
also have a gap to the cabinet body (carcase). *Give a yank on the
face frames to see if they pull away from the carcases.

R

Thank you for all the responses so far. I'm disappointed in the
quality but feel relieved that it's not just me being unreasonable.
I'll post an update.

Thanks again,

Sam

On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:08:29 -0700 (PDT), Sam Takoy
wrote:

Hi,

We are getting custom made cabinets at about $1200/linear foot.
Plywood cabinets with stained oak faces. Mission style with inset
doors.

1. The first picture shows the gap between two cabinet doors that
close towards each other:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap1.jpg

I think that the gap is too big. Or should I expect a 1/4" gap?

2. The second picture shows the gap between the box and the face. It's
on the left of the pictu

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap2.jpg

There are some strange nail-looking things in that gap as if it was
intentional. But I'm not sure what its purpose might be.

Thank you in advance for all the input!

Sam

I wouldn't accept that quality for even storage cabinets in my
basement.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

On Nov 5, 10:08*pm, Sam Takoy wrote:
Hi,

We are getting custom made cabinets at about $1200/linear foot.
Plywood cabinets with stained oak faces. Mission style with inset
doors.

1. The first picture shows the gap between two cabinet doors that
close towards each other:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap1.jpg

I think that the gap is too big. Or should I expect a 1/4" gap?

2. The second picture shows the gap between the box and the face. It's
on the left of the pictu

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap2.jpg

There are some strange nail-looking things in that gap as if it was
intentional. But I'm not sure what its purpose might be.

Thank you in advance for all the input!

Sam

Sam, it sucks to get taken in by those so-called cabinet makers, so I
feel your pain.
The word 'substandard' is a compliment for that work. Don't even let
them fix that mess, get you money back, one way or another.

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:12:32 -0500, Nova wrote:

On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:08:29 -0700 (PDT), Sam Takoy
wrote:

Hi,

We are getting custom made cabinets at about $1200/linear foot.
Plywood cabinets with stained oak faces. Mission style with inset
doors.

1. The first picture shows the gap between two cabinet doors that
close towards each other:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap1.jpg

I think that the gap is too big. Or should I expect a 1/4" gap?

2. The second picture shows the gap between the box and the face. It's
on the left of the pictu

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap2.jpg

There are some strange nail-looking things in that gap as if it was
intentional. But I'm not sure what its purpose might be.

Thank you in advance for all the input!

Sam

I wouldn't accept that quality for even storage cabinets in my
basement.

Somebody sure saw poor Sam coming, didn't they? I hope he gets at
least a 75% refund, plus cabinet repair, plus the cabinets, IF he
can't get a complete refund and deinstallation.

--
Live Simply. Speak Kindly. Care Deeply. Love Generously.
-- anon

I went through the same crap with mine a few years back more at the $20K
mark.
Most of the broken units and wrong size units were replaced. They don't take
things back. The $50 to build a cabinet isn't worth the shipping to the
manufacturer. (Kitchen Craft - Winnipeg area)

This is all stuff the installer fixes/hides on the job and gets no credit
for the "irregularities". Some of he people advising you are manufacturers
and installers. They may not know the difference in process with mass
produced stuff.

Next time I will install them myself. Would have save some legal fees and a
lot of time and headaches. I will find out this winter.


Good luck with any of that.


------
"Sam Takoy" wrote in message
...
Thank you for all the responses so far. I'm disappointed in the
quality but feel relieved that it's not just me being unreasonable.
I'll post an update.

Thanks again,

Sam

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:49:40 -0800, Sam Takoy wrote:

Thank you for all the responses so far. I'm disappointed in the quality
but feel relieved that it's not just me being unreasonable. I'll post an
update.

If you can't get a full refund on that mess you should take them to
court. And even if it were a perfect job, the price is way too high.

Where are you located? Maybe someone here could put you in touch with a
reputable custom cabinet maker. Even if only to serve as an expert
witness.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

On Nov 5, 10:08*pm, Sam Takoy wrote:
Hi,

We are getting custom made cabinets at about $1200/linear foot.
Plywood cabinets with stained oak faces. Mission style with inset
doors.

1. The first picture shows the gap between two cabinet doors that
close towards each other:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap1.jpg

I think that the gap is too big. Or should I expect a 1/4" gap?

1/16" or less.

Would look much better if the doors were rabbeted to
mesh with each other, but that's an extra step that
not many cabinetmakers would offer standard.

2. The second picture shows the gap between the box and the face. It's
on the left of the pictu

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap2.jpg

There are some strange nail-looking things in that gap as if it was
intentional. But I'm not sure what its purpose might be.

Biscuits, look to be #20s. You should have no open joint.

Plywood looks to be cheap Home Depot birch face, paper
thin veneer. For $1200 / ft, you should have gotten better
grade.

Shelf pin holes are ragged, probably from deburring
with a worn drill. Details are crucial to good finish.

Finish itself is poor. Brush-on poly, should have
been at least steel wooled and waxed. Grain filler
would have made it look 500% better. If you like
an open-grained finish, oil would have looked better.



Thank you in advance for all the input!

Sam

On 11/5/2011 10:08 PM, Sam Takoy wrote:

Thank you in advance for all the input!

Judging from the two photographs, that particular work is indeed
substandard and would not live up to the standard of quality expected
for your stated price.

Was a contract involved?

Even if not, don't go off half cocked ... document the entire
installation with photographs of every single instance where you do not
feel you received fair value.

Send them, along with a letter to the contractor, by registered mail,
cc'ing your attorney (even you don't yet have one), outlining, and
requesting a meeting onsite to discuss what you perceive as problem areas.

Regarding the price you paid ... there are damn few, even here, who are
qualified to make a judgement in that regard, particularly based on a
couple of photographs ... opinions don't count, so don't take them into
account.

I can guarantee that most do not have a clue as to what a "custom
kitchen" costs, on average, these days. The price you stated is on the
low end of a "Tier 1" custom job in most areas of the country.

To assist you with whether you deserve some peace of mind for what you
paid, use the link below, inputting the specifications of what you
actually got in all the different categories:

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/page...s-countertops/

As a home builder, and cabinetmaker with quite a few kitchens under his
belt, I can assure you that the results of that particular calculator
will be in line with most areas of the US, and will give you an
_accurate_ estimation of what your kitchen should have cost you.

This exercise will also be of benefit to your legal adviser should you
eventually require one.

Let us know how it goes ...

--
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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
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On Nov 5, 10:39*pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 11/5/2011 11:08 PM, Sam Takoy wrote:









Hi,

We are getting custom made cabinets at about $1200/linear foot.
Plywood cabinets with stained oak faces. Mission style with inset
doors.

1. The first picture shows the gap between two cabinet doors that
close towards each other:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap1.jpg

I think that the gap is too big. Or should I expect a 1/4" gap?

2. The second picture shows the gap between the box and the face. It's
on the left of the pictu

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap2.jpg

There are some strange nail-looking things in that gap as if it was
intentional. But I'm not sure what its purpose might be.

Thank you in advance for all the input!

Sam

I'd be (politely at first) inviting the owner of the cabinet company
over for a look-see. Looks like sub-standard work to me, especially the
second picture. Those shelf-peg holes aren't even deburred,

Actually, they were -- with a dull twist bit, probably used for
rough carpentry. You can see a hint of a chamfer, and
where the edges were torn.

You can also see splinters inside the holes. A decent
cabinetmaker would have taken pains to clean them out
before hitting with finish. I'll bet the rest of the cabinet
has dust nibs in the poly.

and they
didn't draw the face frame up to the box during assembly- that is a glue
biscuit showing in the gap. They MAY be able to do a field repair, but
if the side panel is out of square, the base cabinet may need to be rebuilt.

--
aem sends...

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:49:54 -0600, Swingman wrote:

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/page...chen-cabinets-
countertops/

As a home builder, and cabinetmaker with quite a few kitchens under his
belt, I can assure you that the results of that particular calculator
will be in line with most areas of the US, and will give you an
_accurate_ estimation of what your kitchen should have cost you.

Interesting site. Thanks. Quite the price gap between tier 1 and tier
2. I didn't see any reference to the type of wood. Would tier 1 include
exotics or would that further raise the price?



--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

Sam Takoy wrote:

Hi,

We are getting custom made cabinets at about $1200/linear foot.
Plywood cabinets with stained oak faces. Mission style with inset
doors.

1. The first picture shows the gap between two cabinet doors that
close towards each other:

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap1.jpg

I think that the gap is too big. Or should I expect a 1/4" gap?

2. The second picture shows the gap between the box and the face. It's
on the left of the pictu

http://freeboundaries.com/Gap2.jpg

There are some strange nail-looking things in that gap as if it was
intentional. But I'm not sure what its purpose might be.

Thank you in advance for all the input!

Sam

Wretched looking holes in that second pic and looks like the oak hasn't
seen any paste filler before the finish step. Cabinetmakers are supposed
to "finish" the wood - and this was stained handyman style without
filling the pores.

I don't see anything that here that's a step up from the cheapest Home
Depot cabinet.

Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:49:54 -0600, Swingman wrote:

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/page...chen-cabinets-
countertops/

Interesting site. Thanks. Quite the price gap between tier 1 and tier
2. I didn't see any reference to the type of wood. Would tier 1 include
exotics or would that further raise the price?

The results is an average price for cabinets and countertops, installed and
finished. It would certainly go higher with high priced material.

Note that the calculated price also would normally EXCLUDE things like
demolition, electrical, plumbing, venting, engineering (wall removal, etc),
and specialty items, lighting, factory pullouts, lazy susans, etc.

For reference, the last few years the average kitchen remodel in the US has
been estimated at $35K, and that is no where near Tier 1 specs, IME.

Not all cabinet jobs are created equal, and unless you've personally
experienced a top quality, custom, shop built, kitchen cabinet job, you
really can't appreciate the difference between one and _any_ factory made
solution.

--
www.ewoodshop.com

Larry Jaques wrote in
:

On 06 Nov 2011 11:52:52 GMT, Han wrote:

"hr(bob) " wrote in
news:ba6b9e99-43e3-
:

You'd be better off buying Kraft-maid at Home Depot than what you
showed in those pictures.

We are very satisfied with the KraftMaid cabinets we bought 10 years
ago. We had them installed by people supervised by the contractor in
charge of our remodeling. We paid $8250 for all the cabinets in a
small kitchen makeover. I would to really have to go and measure
everything to see how much cabinet that is, and of course, today's
prices will be different. I'll post a picture in abpw of one of the
top cabinets.

tsk tsk tsk Ya really shoulda called Leon.


I know. But back then I didn't know Leon, and even now, I don't think
he'd come to the NYC area to hang some cabinets. And I know I am not up
to the task of professional looking cabinets.


--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

....and who could tell the difference anyway?

Typically they will be replaced in 20-30 years due to pressure from the
Home show soaps that always brainwash the public to get rid of "dated"
things and replace them with same styled ones that the other show just
took out because ***THEY*** were dated.


---------------
"Han" wrote in message ...
I know. But back then I didn't know Leon, and even now, I don't think
he'd come to the NYC area to hang some cabinets. And I know I am not
up
to the task of professional looking cabinets.


--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"m II" wrote in :

Typically they will be replaced in 20-30 years due to pressure from the
Home show soaps that always brainwash the public to get rid of "dated"
things and replace them with same styled ones that the other show just
took out because ***THEY*** were dated.

We made the kitchen the way we wanted it, not because it was in fashion.
Likely things will be replaced in 20-30 years after they've carried my wife
and me out feet first. Not my concern.

And if I dowant to make changes, don't worry. I will.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

LOL!
I hear ya'!, agree with ya' and feel the same way. Many times it's not our
decision if we want to sleep or have other activities at night.

The main point was the difference between $300 per linear foot and $1200 per
linear foot. Most will never know or be able to tell the difference except
in the wording. Longevity is not an issue and moot in the selection of
quality, within reason, of course.

-----------
"Han" wrote in message ...
We made the kitchen the way we wanted it, not because it was in fashion.
Likely things will be replaced in 20-30 years after they've carried my wife
and me out feet first. Not my concern.

And if I dowant to make changes, don't worry. I will.


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"m II" wrote in :

Typically they will be replaced in 20-30 years due to pressure from the
Home show soaps that always brainwash the public to get rid of "dated"
things and replace them with same styled ones that the other show just
took out because ***THEY*** were dated.