Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

On Jan 18, 10:14*am, Neil Brooks wrote:
Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

Very interesting. Looks like it is a few $'s away from actually being
available for purchase. I wonder if he will have trouble with the
Whirlwind name because of the well know woodworking machinery company
of the same name.

I hope Steel City or JDS or some smaller company can get on this thing
and bring it to market quickly.

On Jan 18, 1:14*pm, Neil Brooks wrote:
Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

Won't be able to use a raised extension fence on your miter
gauge without removing the guard.

On Jan 18, 1:30*pm, "SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
On Jan 18, 10:14*am, Neil Brooks wrote:

Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

Very interesting. Looks like it is a few $'s away from actually being
available for purchase. I wonder if he will have trouble with the
Whirlwind name because of the well know woodworking machinery company
of the same name.

I hope Steel City or JDS or some smaller company can get on this thing
and bring it to market quickly.

Methinks that design will eat SawStop's lunch. The SawStop inventor
may have outsmarted himself with the way he went bringing it to
market. I don't know anyone that would think that destroying a blade
and having to buy a replacement brake cartridge would be preferable to
pressing a button to restart.

Of course, having an overhead safety guard like the Whirlwind one,
just by itself, would probably prevent 99% of serious injuries. The
dust collection is a big bonus. And retrofitting tabletop saws...?
Totally covers the market.

How much do you think that system for a tabletop would end up going
for?

R

On Jan 18, 1:14*pm, Neil Brooks wrote:
Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

I think a bicycle disc-brake would work too...if you can find a disc
that can withstand oak rust....

"RicodJour" wrote in message
...

Of course, having an overhead safety guard like the Whirlwind one,
just by itself, would probably prevent 99% of serious injuries. The
dust collection is a big bonus. And retrofitting tabletop saws...?
Totally covers the market.

Yup, if it works as advertised they'll sell a bazillion of them.

"Father Haskell" wrote in message
...

Won't be able to use a raised extension fence on your miter
gauge without removing the guard.

That's an optional accessory at an additional price, at least if they're
thinking ahead it will be.

On 1/18/11 1:25 PM, Robatoy wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:14 pm, Neil wrote:
Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

I think a bicycle disc-brake would work too...if you can find a disc
that can withstand oak rust....

Oh no he d'in't!

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On 1/18/2011 1:36 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 1/18/11 1:25 PM, Robatoy wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:14 pm, Neil wrote:
Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

I think a bicycle disc-brake would work too...if you can find a disc
that can withstand oak rust....

Oh no he d'in't!

LOL!

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On Jan 18, 2:25*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:14*pm, Neil Brooks wrote:

Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

I think a bicycle disc-brake would work too...if you can find a disc
that can withstand oak rust....

The guy on the left's bike probably has them.
http://cobbers.com/wp-content/upload...ooden-bike.jpg

R

Neil Brooks wrote:
Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

I see patent infringement lawsuits out the kazoo! Especially some involving
hot dogs.

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:29:07 -0800, "DGDevin"
wrote:

"RicodJour" wrote in message
...

Of course, having an overhead safety guard like the Whirlwind one,
just by itself, would probably prevent 99% of serious injuries. The
dust collection is a big bonus. And retrofitting tabletop saws...?
Totally covers the market.

Yup, if it works as advertised they'll sell a bazillion of them.

This guy will make his million and all of us will then have the new
technology, because he intends to license it to everyone at a fair
price, unlike that asshole lawyer who created the saw blade demolition
block. That guy will be out of business shortly afterwards, I'm sure.

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"HeyBub" wrote
Neil Brooks wrote:
Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

I see patent infringement lawsuits out the kazoo! Especially some
involving hot dogs.
Not to mention the animal rights folks getting all upset about cruelty
toward hot dogs.

In article om,
"Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote
Neil Brooks wrote:
Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

I see patent infringement lawsuits out the kazoo! Especially some
involving hot dogs.
Not to mention the animal rights folks getting all upset about cruelty
toward hot dogs.



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"DGDevin" wrote in message
m...


"RicodJour" wrote in message
...

Of course, having an overhead safety guard like the Whirlwind one,
just by itself, would probably prevent 99% of serious injuries. The
dust collection is a big bonus. And retrofitting tabletop saws...?
Totally covers the market.

Yup, if it works as advertised they'll sell a bazillion of them.

Not to me.

In article d2ac8855-2ede-4d3d-96d5-8aa655f8b7d6
@u25g2000pra.googlegroups.com, says...

Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

Nahh. Sawstop doesn't depend on a guard.

On 1/18/2011 2:53 PM, Ecnerwal wrote:
In raweb.com,
"Lee Michaels"leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:

wrote
Neil Brooks wrote:
Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

I see patent infringement lawsuits out the kazoo! Especially some
involving hot dogs.
Not to mention the animal rights folks getting all upset about cruelty
toward hot dogs.



Two Birds, One Stone: Use tofu dogs!

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Neil Brooks wrote in news:d2ac8855-2ede-4d3d-96d5-
:

Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

How doe that work with dados and tenons?


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"RicodJour" wrote in message
...
On Jan 18, 2:25 pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Jan 18, 1:14 pm, Neil Brooks wrote:

Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

I think a bicycle disc-brake would work too...if you can find a disc
that can withstand oak rust....

The guy on the left's bike probably has them.
http://cobbers.com/wp-content/upload...ooden-bike.jpg

Is that oak?

I still view the sawstop has superior.

It can work without a guard. So it is always able to work.
Even when I don't want to use one. When cove cutting.

The whirlwind is good, but not as good as the sawstop. And I really
don't fault the sawstop inventor. He was turned down by all the companies.

The whirlwind may succeed, since the manufactures missed the boat once.
They won't twice.

Never the less, the sawstop does eat blades. But it doesn't take 4.5
revolutions to stop the blade. So if I don't want to use the guard, I
can still be assured my hot dog won't be eaten.

I would buy the sawstop if I had the money. And I will probably buy a
sawstop next time I need a new saw. Especially since the Delta brand has
let me down a few times lately, and now that they are sold... it make it
a moot point. The quality of the saw stop is where the 66 was.
But the sawstop passed it. It is a beefy heavy ... nice saw. Big
trunions. Nice fit and finish.

On 1/18/2011 4:25 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In articled2ac8855-2ede-4d3d-96d5-8aa655f8b7d6
@u25g2000pra.googlegroups.com, says...

Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

Nahh. Sawstop doesn't depend on a guard.

And I really
don't fault the sawstop inventor. He was turned down by all the companies.

The whirlwind may succeed, since the manufactures missed the boat once.
They won't twice.
- Show quoted text -

Actually the Sawstop inventor had the deck stacked against him,
somewhat by himself.

1. He wanted unreasonable licensing royalties.
2. The cost to re-tool and add the technology to existing
manufacturing process was way to expensive for anyone to go first.
3. The current manufacturers lawyers killed any consideration because
if you add this, you are admitting the thousands of saws you sold
without it are dangerous. And if you offer it on one saw and not
another, even worse when you get sued from someone who bought the one
without it.

On 1/19/2011 2:04 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
And I really
don't fault the sawstop inventor. He was turned down by all the companies.

The whirlwind may succeed, since the manufactures missed the boat once.
They won't twice.
- Show quoted text -

Actually the Sawstop inventor had the deck stacked against him,
somewhat by himself.

1. He wanted unreasonable licensing royalties.
2. The cost to re-tool and add the technology to existing
manufacturing process was way to expensive for anyone to go first.
3. The current manufacturers lawyers killed any consideration because
if you add this, you are admitting the thousands of saws you sold
without it are dangerous. And if you offer it on one saw and not
another, even worse when you get sued from someone who bought the one
without it.

Lawyer, plans screwed/boxed in by his brethren ... poetic justice.

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In article , tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote:
[...]
Never the less, the sawstop does eat blades.

You know what? I don't really care. If you never trigger it, that's obviously
a non-issue. And if you *do* trigger it, the cost of a new blade and cartridge
is tiny in comparison to the cost of treating the injury you'd otherwise
receive.

But it doesn't take 4.5
revolutions to stop the blade. So if I don't want to use the guard, I
can still be assured my hot dog won't be eaten.

Amen! Watch the slow-motion video of the SawStop in action. Advance it
frame-by-frame if necessary. Count how many teeth actually touch Steve Gass'
finger. One for sure, maybe the next one, maaaaayyyyyybe the third, but by the
time the fourth tooth has come around, the blade is already dropping, and it
sure looks to me like the fourth tooth never touched him.

That's pretty damned fast.

I would buy the sawstop if I had the money.

Same here.

And I will probably buy a
sawstop next time I need a new saw.

I will *definitely* buy a SawStop the next time I need a new saw.

Especially since the Delta brand has
let me down a few times lately, and now that they are sold... it make it
a moot point. The quality of the saw stop is where the 66 was.

Agreed.

But the sawstop passed it. It is a beefy heavy ... nice saw. Big
trunions. Nice fit and finish.

Yes. It's a nice piece of gear -- looks worth the price even *without* the
safety feature. That *will* be my next table saw, unless something better
comes along first.

On Jan 19, 8:54*am, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote:

[...]

Never the less, the sawstop does eat blades.

You know what? I don't really care. If you never trigger it, that's obviously
a non-issue. And if you *do* trigger it, the cost of a new blade and cartridge
is tiny in comparison to the cost of treating the injury you'd otherwise
receive.

But it doesn't take 4.5
revolutions to stop the blade. So if I don't want to use the guard, I
can still be assured my hot dog won't be eaten.

Amen! Watch the slow-motion video of the SawStop in action. Advance it
frame-by-frame if necessary. Count how many teeth actually touch Steve Gass'
finger. One for sure, maybe the next one, maaaaayyyyyybe the third, but by the
time the fourth tooth has come around, the blade is already dropping, and it
sure looks to me like the fourth tooth never touched him.

That's pretty damned fast.



I would buy the sawstop if I had the money.

Same here.

And I will probably buy a
sawstop next time I need a new saw.

I will *definitely* buy a SawStop the next time I need a new saw.

Especially since the Delta brand has
let me down a few times lately, and now that they are sold... it make it
a moot point. The quality of the saw stop is where the 66 was.

Agreed.

But the sawstop passed it. It is a beefy heavy ... nice saw. Big
trunions. Nice fit and finish.

Yes. It's a nice piece of gear -- looks worth the price even *without* the
safety feature. That *will* be my next table saw, unless something better
comes along first.

No arguments with any of the above - particularly what saw you will
buy next - but the idea of the SawStop stopping when the finger
touches the blade seems late in the game for injury protection. The
Whirlwind model stops the saw without damage while the fingers are
still well away. In some sense it's a training device as much as a
safety device. The Whirlwind would be the superior choice in a high
school woodworking shop. Reset the saw a few times and you'll get in
the habit of keeping your fingers well away from the danger area.

The SawStop guy did rock the boat and finally bring some change to a
moribund tablesaw design. He singlehandedly changed the game.
Unfortunately he's a lawyer as well as an inventor - a bad combination
if there ever was one. Come to think of it a lawyer combined with
anything is a bad idea, particularly combined with 'homo sapien',

R

RicodJour wrote:
On Jan 19, 8:54 am, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In , tiredofspamnospam.nospam.com wrote:

[...]

Never the less, the sawstop does eat blades.

You know what? I don't really care. If you never trigger it, that's obviously
a non-issue. And if you *do* trigger it, the cost of a new blade and cartridge
is tiny in comparison to the cost of treating the injury you'd otherwise
receive.

But it doesn't take 4.5
revolutions to stop the blade. So if I don't want to use the guard, I
can still be assured my hot dog won't be eaten.

Amen! Watch the slow-motion video of the SawStop in action. Advance it
frame-by-frame if necessary. Count how many teeth actually touch Steve Gass'
finger. One for sure, maybe the next one, maaaaayyyyyybe the third, but by the
time the fourth tooth has come around, the blade is already dropping, and it
sure looks to me like the fourth tooth never touched him.

That's pretty damned fast.



I would buy the sawstop if I had the money.

Same here.

And I will probably buy a
sawstop next time I need a new saw.

I will *definitely* buy a SawStop the next time I need a new saw.

Especially since the Delta brand has
let me down a few times lately, and now that they are sold... it make it
a moot point. The quality of the saw stop is where the 66 was.

Agreed.

But the sawstop passed it. It is a beefy heavy ... nice saw. Big
trunions. Nice fit and finish.

Yes. It's a nice piece of gear -- looks worth the price even *without* the
safety feature. That *will* be my next table saw, unless something better
comes along first.

No arguments with any of the above - particularly what saw you will
buy next - but the idea of the SawStop stopping when the finger
touches the blade seems late in the game for injury protection. The
Whirlwind model stops the saw without damage while the fingers are
still well away. In some sense it's a training device as much as a
safety device. The Whirlwind would be the superior choice in a high
school woodworking shop. Reset the saw a few times and you'll get in
the habit of keeping your fingers well away from the danger area.

The SawStop guy did rock the boat and finally bring some change to a
moribund tablesaw design. He singlehandedly changed the game.
Unfortunately he's a lawyer as well as an inventor - a bad combination
if there ever was one. Come to think of it a lawyer combined with
anything is a bad idea, particularly combined with 'homo sapien',

R

I like what Megyn Kelly said, "I'm a recovering lawyer".

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Abraham Lincoln

"RicodJour" wrote in message
...
On Jan 18, 1:30 pm, "SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
On Jan 18, 10:14 am, Neil Brooks wrote:

Has the much-vaunted "Free Market" given us a choice ??

http://www.whirlwindtool.com/

Hmmmm.

Very interesting. Looks like it is a few $'s away from actually being
available for purchase. I wonder if he will have trouble with the
Whirlwind name because of the well know woodworking machinery company
of the same name.

I hope Steel City or JDS or some smaller company can get on this thing
and bring it to market quickly.

Methinks that design will eat SawStop's lunch. The SawStop inventor
may have outsmarted himself with the way he went bringing it to
market. I don't know anyone that would think that destroying a blade
and having to buy a replacement brake cartridge would be preferable to
pressing a button to restart.

Might be a good deal.


Of course, having an overhead safety guard like the Whirlwind one,
just by itself, would probably prevent 99% of serious injuries. The
dust collection is a big bonus. And retrofitting tabletop saws...?
Totally covers the market.

The apparent required guard would be the deal breaker for me. I'd probably
go with the SawStop at this point.



How much do you think that system for a tabletop would end up going
for?

$4289.05 l~)

In article , RicodJour wrote:

No arguments with any of the above - particularly what saw you will
buy next - but the idea of the SawStop stopping when the finger
touches the blade seems late in the game for injury protection.

Perhaps; on the other hand, any injury you might happen to get on a
SawStop-equipped saw means a trip to the first-aid kit to get a bandaid,
rather than a trip to the ER and reconstructive surgery.

The
Whirlwind model stops the saw without damage while the fingers are
still well away.

As long as the fingers are moving slowly, yes, I'd agree with that. But what
if your hand slips, and moves toward the blade too quickly for Whirlwind to
react in time? SawStop's major advantage is that it stops the blade almost
instantly on contact. Whirlwind's reaction time is slow enough, I think, to
permit a disabling injury if your hand slips into the blade.

Another big point in SawStop's favor is that it works with the guard removed,
e.g. while making a dado, groove, or cove cut.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article
,
RicodJour wrote:

No arguments with any of the above - particularly what saw you will
buy next - but the idea of the SawStop stopping when the finger
touches the blade seems late in the game for injury protection.

Perhaps; on the other hand, any injury you might happen to get on a
SawStop-equipped saw means a trip to the first-aid kit to get a bandaid,
rather than a trip to the ER and reconstructive surgery.

The
Whirlwind model stops the saw without damage while the fingers are
still well away.

As long as the fingers are moving slowly, yes, I'd agree with that. But
what
if your hand slips, and moves toward the blade too quickly for Whirlwind
to
react in time? SawStop's major advantage is that it stops the blade almost
instantly on contact. Whirlwind's reaction time is slow enough, I think,
to
permit a disabling injury if your hand slips into the blade.

Another big point in SawStop's favor is that it works with the guard
removed,
e.g. while making a dado, groove, or cove cut.



I would like to see a demonstration of the SawStop where the operator runs a
small piece of wood (and his finger) into the blade at the speed with which
I usually run a small piece of wood thru. Every demo I've seen shows a very
careful (slow) approach.

Max

Every demo I've seen shows a very
careful (slow) approach.

Max- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, that standar demo is a hot dog on top of a piece of wood cut at
typical speed and the dog ony get's nicked but I still grab my crotch
everytime ai see it.

On Jan 19, 2:04*am, "SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
*And I really

don't fault the sawstop inventor. He was turned down by all the companies.

The whirlwind may succeed, since the manufactures missed the boat once.
They won't twice.
- Show quoted text -

Actually the Sawstop inventor had the deck stacked against him,
somewhat by himself.

3. The current manufacturers lawyers killed any consideration because
if you add this, you are admitting the thousands of saws you sold
without it are dangerous. And if you offer it on one saw and not
another, even worse when you get sued from someone who bought the one
without it.

I seriously doubt if this is accurate. Automakers offered anti lock
brakes on many cars, luxury, before offering it on all cars. And it
was an option on cars, not mandatory. I'm pretty sure there are many
tests showing anti lock brakes are safer than non anti lock brakes.
They stop you quicker. Automakers were not sued out of existence
because they sold some cars that were safer than other cars.

On 1/20/11 10:20 AM, Max wrote:
I would like to see a demonstration of the SawStop where the operator
runs a small piece of wood (and his finger) into the blade at the
speed with which I usually run a small piece of wood thru. Every demo
I've seen shows a very careful (slow) approach.

Max

I emailed sawstop tp ask if they had any videos like that.
They said they didn't, but that most operators at the woodworking shows
do it in that manner... with the hot dog, of course.

At some point, sawstop will do an official fast feed rate demo video or
one from a show will pop up on youtube.


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At some point, sawstop will do an official fast feed rate demo video or
one from a show will pop up on youtube.


bout a million on Yuotube. Gotta love it. Here is one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9OLIzMa4Oo

On 1/20/11 1:51 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:

At some point, sawstop will do an official fast feed rate demo video or
one from a show will pop up on youtube.


bout a million on Yuotube. Gotta love it. Here is one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9OLIzMa4Oo


I guess I wasn't clear or didn't quote correctly.
I asked about a video showing the dog going into the blade quickly,
as if simulating ones hand slipping forward into the blade.

That video is a pretty good real feed rate and it does show that you
would likely have a good little piece of skin & fat taken off, possibly
need a stitch or two or just a good butterfly bandage.

I suspect the results would be *identical* even if they shoved a dog in
there at "slip speed." I just wish someone would post a video to shut
up all the members of the tin-foil hat club.


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On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:51:43 -0800 (PST), "SonomaProducts.com"
wrote:


At some point, sawstop will do an official fast feed rate demo video or
one from a show will pop up on youtube.


bout a million on Yuotube. Gotta love it. Here is one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9OLIzMa4Oo

Imagine yourself in front of a saw where the floor had not been swept
and there was sawdust on the top of the saw as well as the floor. You
turn on the saw and slip in the sawdust and are falling into the saw
blade. Your right hand slips off the top and your other flails out to
catch yourself. It goes right into the spinning blade at a very fast
rate, about 30 times faster than the demo cut. NOW what happens?
We've only seen feed rates of 1 foot per minute and one inch per
second. What about 80ips, hmm?

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On 1/20/11 2:12 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:51:43 -0800 (PST), "SonomaProducts.com"
wrote:


At some point, sawstop will do an official fast feed rate demo video or
one from a show will pop up on youtube.


bout a million on Yuotube. Gotta love it. Here is one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9OLIzMa4Oo

Imagine yourself in front of a saw where the floor had not been swept
and there was sawdust on the top of the saw as well as the floor. You
turn on the saw and slip in the sawdust and are falling into the saw
blade. Your right hand slips off the top and your other flails out to
catch yourself. It goes right into the spinning blade at a very fast
rate, about 30 times faster than the demo cut. NOW what happens?
We've only seen feed rates of 1 foot per minute and one inch per
second. What about 80ips, hmm?


The same thing. You can do the math. I can't... maybe yo can. :-)
The video in this post isn't 1"/sec. It's more like 5-6"/sec.



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I suspect the results would be *identical* even if they shoved a dog in
there at "slip speed." *I just wish someone would post a video to shut
up all the members of the tin-foil hat club.

OK, I say we ask for a video where they shoot a sausage at the blade
using a wrist rocket sling shot and see what happens.

In article
,
" wrote:

I'm pretty sure there are many
tests showing anti lock brakes are safer than non anti lock brakes.

I recall reading about a study of police forces in the USA that found
the accident rate did not drop with ABS brakes.

The reasons were that the drivers either did not use them properly
(still pumped the pedal) or drove more aggressively because they
thought the brakes would compensate somehow.

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:51:43 -0800 (PST), "SonomaProducts.com"
wrote:


At some point, sawstop will do an official fast feed rate demo video or
one from a show will pop up on youtube.


bout a million on Yuotube. Gotta love it. Here is one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9OLIzMa4Oo

Imagine yourself in front of a saw where the floor had not been swept
and there was sawdust on the top of the saw as well as the floor. You
turn on the saw and slip in the sawdust and are falling into the saw
blade. Your right hand slips off the top and your other flails out to
catch yourself. It goes right into the spinning blade at a very fast
rate, about 30 times faster than the demo cut. NOW what happens?
We've only seen feed rates of 1 foot per minute and one inch per
second. What about 80ips, hmm?


What about 80ips????


What happens is one hell of a lot less damage than if the saw was other than
a SawStop. I'd still be much happier that I got a bad cut than loose a
whole finger, hand, arm, or internal body part.

"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
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At some point, sawstop will do an official fast feed rate demo video or
one from a show will pop up on youtube.


bout a million on Yuotube. Gotta love it. Here is one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9OLIzMa4Oo


OK. But my finger still hurts. G

Max

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:51:43 -0800 (PST), "SonomaProducts.com"
wrote:


At some point, sawstop will do an official fast feed rate demo video or
one from a show will pop up on youtube.


bout a million on Yuotube. Gotta love it. Here is one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9OLIzMa4Oo

Imagine yourself in front of a saw where the floor had not been swept
and there was sawdust on the top of the saw as well as the floor. You
turn on the saw and slip in the sawdust and are falling into the saw
blade. Your right hand slips off the top and your other flails out to
catch yourself. It goes right into the spinning blade at a very fast
rate, about 30 times faster than the demo cut. NOW what happens?
We've only seen feed rates of 1 foot per minute and one inch per
second. What about 80ips, hmm?



Um...... my saw has a guard that (I think) would mitigate the damage
somewhat........maybe.

Max