Ok it has been awhile since I posted on usenet. But I used to and it seems
a good place to seek and share advice.

I am looking to purchase a 14" bandsaw. I'm in Southern California. Any
recommendations or deals in the area here I should consider? I cannot
afford super expensive. It would be great to pick up a used one for less,
but I've searched and it is hard to find a used one.

Thanks,
Grant
vanbokklen At yahoo Dot com

I should have also mentioned that I'd like to keep the price under $400 if
that is possible and still get a good saw.
-Grant

I've only looked at Home Depot and Lowes. Home Depot has the Ridgid and
Lowes has a Delta for about the same price :
http://www.lowes.com/lkn?action=prod...4-32764-28-276

Can I do better than these? Which would be better this Delta or the Rigid?

Hi Grant,

Don't give up trying to find a good used BS like Delta. You need to
have some patience and luck, but one will turn up. When it does have
cash on hand and if it looks good to you don't wait...someone will be
waiting to snatch it up. I found my used Delta BS in the online
version of the LA Times classifieds. I called the guy up ASAP and told
him I'd show up with his money the next morning. I got a year old 14"
Delta with open stand, 1hp motor, miter gauge, fence, and mobile base
for $250.

Check Ebay, Penny Saver, online and local machinery dealers,
Woodworker West Magazine, newspaper, friends, family, etc. and one
will turn up. For $400 you can buy a really nice 16" BS. FWIW, I
bought my Dayton 10" drill press from a machinery dealer in Fullerton
that had it on Ebay. There's a SoCal machinery dealer that always post
nice stuff on Ebay (can't remember the Co.'s name though).

Good luck and happy BS hunting,

Layne

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:11:02 -0700, "Grant" wrote:

Ok it has been awhile since I posted on usenet. But I used to and it seems
a good place to seek and share advice.

I am looking to purchase a 14" bandsaw. I'm in Southern California. Any
recommendations or deals in the area here I should consider? I cannot
afford super expensive. It would be great to pick up a used one for less,
but I've searched and it is hard to find a used one.

Thanks,
Grant
vanbokklen At yahoo Dot com

You can't go wrong with the griz GO555.It's the best selling 14" on the
market.Very well built.$375.00 plus $55.00
shipping.

"Grant" wrote in message newsXnfc.6545$L75.704@fed1read06...
Ok it has been awhile since I posted on usenet. But I used to and it
seems
a good place to seek and share advice.

I am looking to purchase a 14" bandsaw. I'm in Southern California. Any
recommendations or deals in the area here I should consider? I cannot
afford super expensive. It would be great to pick up a used one for less,
but I've searched and it is hard to find a used one.

Thanks,
Grant
vanbokklen At yahoo Dot com

"Grant" wrote in message news:3rofc.6649$L75.3652@fed1read06...
I should have also mentioned that I'd like to keep the price under $400

Grant,

Consider the Grizzly G0555 (approx 375.00 USD). I've read a lot of
good things about it (and a few bad things, but mostly good). Search
rec.woodworking using google and you'll find some threads. If your
able to go a little over your budget, look at the Shop Fox G9970
(approx. 450.00 USD). Also, look around for sale prices, I've seen
the Jet 14" enclosed base BS on sale for 399.00.

Jo

"Grant" wrote in message newsXnfc.6545$L75.704@fed1read06...

I am looking to purchase a 14" bandsaw. I'm in Southern California. Any
recommendations or deals in the area here I should consider? I cannot
afford super expensive. It would be great to pick up a used one for less,
but I've searched and it is hard to find a used one.


I did a little comparison a couple of weeks ago. IMO, the Delta has some
better features.

Buying used can be very good, but it depends on where you live. I've been
reading the local want ads for woodworking tools for three years. Rarely do
I see anything of interest. Could just be the area that I live in as other
seem to find some good deals.
Ed

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:11:02 -0700, "Grant" wrote:

Ok it has been awhile since I posted on usenet. But I used to and it seems
a good place to seek and share advice.

I am looking to purchase a 14" bandsaw. I'm in Southern California. Any
recommendations or deals in the area here I should consider? I cannot
afford super expensive. It would be great to pick up a used one for less,
but I've searched and it is hard to find a used one.

Thanks,
Grant
vanbokklen At yahoo Dot com




keep an eye on ebay...

http://tinyurl.com/2ylmr

Thanks Jo,
I've did not know about the Grizzly. Took a look online just now and it
looks like it comes stock with some good features.

The Delta 28-276 that was $399 at Lowes, I'm not sure exactly yet what
features it comes with. It was stickered "made in USA" on it, but I've
searched Google and some were saying that it is overseas made. But the
Delta 28-776 seems prefered to the 14" Ridgid by posters here.

But reviews searched on Google here at rec.woodworking praise the guide
assembly on the Delta.

Anyone here want to chime in on the Delta 28-276 vs. the Grizzly G0555? Or
even vs. the 14" Ridgid that is at Home Depot?

Thanks,
Grant

No I won't give up. I'm looking. Lost out on a 14" Ridgid the other day on
eBay by $2 at $217 like new, used only a couple of hours. I'd love to have
a higher end used Delta for a good price.

I'll check the LA Times and Penny Saver.

Thanks!
Grant

Big John,
Thanks for the reply, it look nice in the pictures I see online. I was not
even considering it till you guys mentioned it here. Do you have any
comparison on the Grizzly GO555 to the $399 Delta 28-276?
-Grant

Ed,
Which models exactly are you comparing of the Delta. Was it the 28-276?
Thanks,
Grant

will do.

http://www.liwoodworkers.org/woodrac...zlybandsaw.pdf

Where in SOCal?
First, There is a woodworking show next weekend at Fairplex. You should be
able to get better than sale price on tools there.

Second, I bounced back and forth over 14" bandsaws before deciding on the
16" Jet. Man, am I glad I did. It was well worth the extra money. (Cry
now, laugh later.) My neighbor has a Delta 14". Good saw, but now comes
over to my shop asking, "Will you resaw this for me?"

With the addition of a new 1"-3tpi blade from a local blade maker, it cuts
like butter. 8/4 - 10"x30" Purpleheart - 3/16" slices- finish to 1/8" -
perfect.
Dave

"Grant" wrote in message newsXnfc.6545$L75.704@fed1read06...
Ok it has been awhile since I posted on usenet. But I used to and it
seems
a good place to seek and share advice.

I am looking to purchase a 14" bandsaw. I'm in Southern California. Any
recommendations or deals in the area here I should consider? I cannot
afford super expensive. It would be great to pick up a used one for less,
but I've searched and it is hard to find a used one.

Thanks,
Grant
vanbokklen At yahoo Dot com






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"TeamCasa" First, There is a woodworking show next
weekend at Fairplex. You should be
able to get better than sale price on tools there.

Could you be a bit more specific when and where this show is? I'll to a
search for "Fairplex" though after I send this post off.

http://www.thewoodworkingshows.com/s...entName=Pomona

Here ya go.

"Grant" wrote in message news:dlAfc.8132$L75.7393@fed1read06...

"TeamCasa" First, There is a woodworking show
next
weekend at Fairplex. You should be
able to get better than sale price on tools there.

Could you be a bit more specific when and where this show is? I'll to a
search for "Fairplex" though after I send this post off.






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Thanks. I might just have to go. Do you think they'll have Grizzly's being
sold there? I called Grizzly and they don't have any in local shops. that
you have to buy direct.
/Grant

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Ed,
Which models exactly are you comparing of the Delta. Was it the 28-276?
Thanks,
Grant



This is my previous post.


Delta 28-276 (399.00). Is one better that the other or about the same
quality wise. Any reason to pick one over the other, or just go with the
lower cost?

For one thing, the Ridgid is ugly. Appearance aside, there won't be a huge
difference in use. The Delta looks to have a smaller footprint because the
motor is mounted under, rather than in back of the saw.

I've only take a cursory glance at the Ridgid. I've not seen this
particular model of Delta up close, but other Delta saws are much nicer fit
and finish. The Delta table is 16 x 16 while the Ridgid is only 14 x 14.
That can make a difference in how you handle and support your wood. The
Delta dust port seems to be in a better location also. I'd spend the extra
$20 for it, but that is just me.
Ed

I don't see them listed as a exhibitor. Good thing.

I have seen the Grizz - I'd pass. Life is to short to buy cheap tools. My
late Father-in-law, was a tightwad. I decided that the Grizz TS was going
to be just as good as the Unisaw. I traveled up to Apple Valley to put it
together for him. After hours of, fighting this pile of junk, rethreading
un-tapped holes, replacing cheap bolts that snapped with little effort, ect.
I finally got it working and *close* to level and square. We let it run for
a few minutes to settle in the he ran a few pieces thru to test its' power.
Well then the motor started to make noise, then more noise, then smoke!

He sent it back, bought the Unisaw, used it for five years. Now my
brother-in-law uses it at his shop almost daily.
Sorry about the rant but I don't want to hear from you later that you hate
it.

Note to wreak, Save the flames about how you have a Grizz and they are fine.
Just admit you shop at at Harbor Freight and are willing to sacrifice
quality price. Ask yourself, would I be proud to hand this tool down to my
kids?

Dave



"Grant" wrote in message news:WFAfc.8134$L75.239@fed1read06...
Thanks. I might just have to go. Do you think they'll have Grizzly's being
sold there? I called Grizzly and they don't have any in local shops.
that
you have to buy direct.
/Grant






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Ed,
The Delta 28-276 that is at Lowes has the motor mounted behind. I wish it
was under and did have a smaller footprint.
/Grant


"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message The Delta looks to have a
smaller footprint because the
motor is mounted under, rather than in back of the saw.

"Grant" wrote in message news:kPCfc.8312$L75.1183@fed1read06...
Ed,
The Delta 28-276 that is at Lowes has the motor mounted behind. I wish it
was under and did have a smaller footprint.
/Grant


"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message The Delta looks to have
a
smaller footprint because the
motor is mounted under, rather than in back of the saw.


Hmm, the picture sure looks like it is below. I trust you looking at the
setup more than the picture though.
Ed

Bridger:
keep an eye on ebay...
http://tinyurl.com/2ylmr


Ditto that. This one is in Utah. T'would make for a nice
"out 'n back" going to go and pick it up.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3809921462

And so far it's still priced below what I paid for mine.

UA100

Go to the Lowes site and search for Delta Bandsaw and it show it behind.

In rec.woodworking
"Grant" wrote:

The Delta 28-276 that was $399 at Lowes, I'm not sure exactly yet what
features it comes with. It was stickered "made in USA" on it, but I've
searched Google and some were saying that it is overseas made. But the
Delta 28-776 seems prefered to the 14" Ridgid by posters here.

But reviews searched on Google here at rec.woodworking praise the guide
assembly on the Delta.

Anyone here want to chime in on the Delta 28-276 vs. the Grizzly G0555? Or
even vs. the 14" Ridgid that is at Home Depot?

I LOVE my Grizzly G0555. I have never used the Delta but a quick glance at
the one in Lowes assures me that for less money (shipping was $55 but
between sales tax and the lower $375 price) I got MORE saw. I purchased
the riser kit at the same time. I have resawed 9.5" hard maple, oak,
walnut and more with very little trouble. I use Olsen AllPro and MVP
blades.

My only complaints are that the tension spring is too weak to tension a
3/4" blade. What I've learned is that I don't need a 3/4" blade to resaw
successfully. I still intend on buying a heavier spring in the future.
FWIW, the Delta won't tension the 3/4" blade either.

The other complaint is that it is pretty hard to get to the bottom guides
with the allen wrench. I change blades a lot and I can swap a blade and
readjust everything in about 5 mins so it isn't a big deal but that is the
part that takes the longest.

The fence is nice but you will want to build a taller attachment for
support if you do resawing thicker than about 6". The dust collection
works great. It is quiet and smooth. The quick release tensioner is
great, if you remember to use it.

As that link shows you, assembly is not bad at all, the saw is assembled
completley, just put the base together and mount it. The one flaw they
point out about the guide arm not centering has been fixed on my saw. They
now use a bearing and spring. Believe me because I was on my hands and
knees looking for it one night :-)

Bruce

"Grant" wrote in message news:PEDfc.8317$L75.5155@fed1read06...
Go to the Lowes site and search for Delta Bandsaw and it show it behind.



Go to the Delta Machinery or www.Amazon.com/delta site and it will sow the
motor on the bottom.
Ed

I seriously doubt your story. To have EVERY portion of the saw fail is not
believable. Between my shop and friends' shops, I'll bet I have helped
assemble/use 20 Griz products, and have never ran into the problems you did.
Dollar Vs. value, you cannot beat them.
"TeamCasa" wrote in message
...
I don't see them listed as a exhibitor. Good thing.

I have seen the Grizz - I'd pass. Life is to short to buy cheap tools.
My
late Father-in-law, was a tightwad. I decided that the Grizz TS was going
to be just as good as the Unisaw. I traveled up to Apple Valley to put it
together for him. After hours of, fighting this pile of junk, rethreading
un-tapped holes, replacing cheap bolts that snapped with little effort,
ect.
I finally got it working and *close* to level and square. We let it run
for
a few minutes to settle in the he ran a few pieces thru to test its'
power.
Well then the motor started to make noise, then more noise, then smoke!

He sent it back, bought the Unisaw, used it for five years. Now my
brother-in-law uses it at his shop almost daily.
Sorry about the rant but I don't want to hear from you later that you hate
it.

Note to wreak, Save the flames about how you have a Grizz and they are
fine.
Just admit you shop at at Harbor Freight and are willing to sacrifice
quality price. Ask yourself, would I be proud to hand this tool down to
my
kids?

Dave



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Thanks. I might just have to go. Do you think they'll have Grizzly's
being
sold there? I called Grizzly and they don't have any in local shops.
that
you have to buy direct.
/Grant






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Steven, Sorry, It is true. I don't own stock in any tool company and frankly
could care less what tools you like or don't. The OP asked for our opinion,
I gave him mine.

Did you not read this part?
Note to wreak, Save the flames about how you have a Grizz and they are
fine.
Just admit you shop at at Harbor Freight and are willing to sacrifice
quality price. Ask yourself, would I be proud to hand this tool down to
my kids?

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Yes, and this is what leads me to beleive that there are different styles of
the same model number. the newer one has the motor underneath.


"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message Go to the Lowes site
and search for Delta Bandsaw and it show it behind.

Yeah If I buy used I want one in So. Cal.. That one looks nice though.
Thanks,
Grant




Ditto that. This one is in Utah. T'would make for a nice
"out 'n back" going to go and pick it up.
And so far it's still priced below what I paid for mine.

UA100

"TeamCasa" wrote could care less what tools you
like or don't. The OP asked for our opinion,
I gave him mine.


I'll take them all.
Thanks!

In rec.woodworking
"Steven Bliss" wrote:

I seriously doubt your story. To have EVERY portion of the saw fail is not
believable. Between my shop and friends' shops, I'll bet I have helped
assemble/use 20 Griz products, and have never ran into the problems you did.
Dollar Vs. value, you cannot beat them.

Amen, it is a lie most likely, and exaggeration at the worst. I LOVE my
Grizzly G0555, it assembled perfectly and easily with a well written manual
and works like a charm. Would I hand it down to family? Abso****inlutely.

Grant wrote:
Yeah If I buy used I want one in So. Cal.. That one looks nice though.
Thanks,


They aren't bad saws despite the guides, table fixings and
lack-o-riser block. Here's another one but it looks like
they're moving farther away from you.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=3810269 909

Still, the price looks very good, for now.

UA100

Steven Bliss wrote:
I seriously doubt your story. To have EVERY portion of the saw fail is not
believable.

I went back and read all the words and I didn't see anything
about EVERY portion of the saw failing. I read something
about Dave having to finish the manufacturing process and
then all the magic smoke escaped from the motor.

Did a message skip over my server?

Between my shop and friends' shops, I'll bet I have helped
assemble/use 20 Griz products, and have never ran into the problems you did.

This is true. Oh by the way, I wasn't in Dallas so Kennedy
must be alive.

Dollar Vs. value, you cannot beat them.

This certainly reads as a compromise.

UA100

"TeamCasa" wrote in message ...
Steven, Sorry, It is true. I don't own stock in any tool company and frankly
could care less what tools you like or don't. The OP asked for our opinion,
I gave him mine.

Yep. And you DID mention that it was at least five years ago, probably
more than that if your brother-in-law is now happily using the unisaw.

When I researched before buying my Griz 1022, I found a lot of posts
like yours from that period. Over the following years, those posts
decreased and the "I'm happy with it" posts increased. I interpreted
that shift to mean Grizzly had managed to get their QC a little more
under control.

Did you not read this part?
Note to wreak, Save the flames about how you have a Grizz and they are
fine.
Just admit you shop at at Harbor Freight and are willing to sacrifice
quality price.

I drop in from time to time. Bought my dc there, after a lot of
research. Some clamps, other supplies. I think I'll get my next
grinder there. A bench drill press. No other power tools. I don't
consider myself the kind of person who will sacrifice quality for
price, but I'll sacrifice bells and whistles for stuff I can afford.
If I could afford a Unisaw, I'd have one. They ARE better, I'll admit
that to anybody, and I'm puzzled by the fact that somebody who could
afford a unisaw right off the bat even bothered with the economy
stuff.

Ask yourself, would I be proud to hand this tool down to
my kids?

Dave

To be honest with ya Dave, I would. I've already had to clean it up
from where my son-in-law drooled all over it. I've had to build it up
piecemeal to get it where it is now, and I'm not done, but I enjoy it.
Somebody who doesn't want to spend the time I spent fiddling with it
should spend the extra money. I couldn't. But I'm having fun and I
like the fact that I know that saw inside and out. But that's me. :-)
The problems I have with my projects are due to my inexperience, not
the saw.

Hope you don't consider that a flame. I tried hard not to make it one.
I think the current Giz products are solid frameworks that still need
some tweaking to get them up to par, but although they apparently used
to be junk, I don't think they are anymore.

So I'm not going to feel bad at all about handing this saw off to my
son-in-law when I have the wherewithal to purchase a unisaur and a
decent place to put it.
:-)

Dan

Yes I saw that one. Wish they were just down the road.

Just curious. Is the 93.5" blade that the Grizzly uses a "Common" blade?

The more I look into these saws the better the Grizzly looks.

Is there a good but inexpensive aftermarket Mobile Base for the Grizzly
G0555? Grizzly wants $70 for theirs.

Dan, You are correct, it was well over five years ago. Thanks.

Here is how I honestly feel about it. Grizzly gets one bite at the apple.
They failed miserably and it was none to easy to get them to take it back
either. They wanted to... never mind, its a painful story but you get the
idea.

I learned long ago, cheap tools are cheap for a reason. If Grizzly is
making a high quality tool now, then fine, go for it. But from what I have
seen first hand, they still have a few more steps to go.

Dave




"Dan" wrote in message
om...
"TeamCasa" wrote in message
...
Steven, Sorry, It is true. I don't own stock in any tool company and
frankly
could care less what tools you like or don't. The OP asked for our
opinion,
I gave him mine.

Yep. And you DID mention that it was at least five years ago, probably
more than that if your brother-in-law is now happily using the unisaw.

When I researched before buying my Griz 1022, I found a lot of posts
like yours from that period. Over the following years, those posts
decreased and the "I'm happy with it" posts increased. I interpreted
that shift to mean Grizzly had managed to get their QC a little more
under control.

Did you not read this part?
Note to wreak, Save the flames about how you have a Grizz and they
are
fine.
Just admit you shop at at Harbor Freight and are willing to
sacrifice
quality price.

I drop in from time to time. Bought my dc there, after a lot of
research. Some clamps, other supplies. I think I'll get my next
grinder there. A bench drill press. No other power tools. I don't
consider myself the kind of person who will sacrifice quality for
price, but I'll sacrifice bells and whistles for stuff I can afford.
If I could afford a Unisaw, I'd have one. They ARE better, I'll admit
that to anybody, and I'm puzzled by the fact that somebody who could
afford a unisaw right off the bat even bothered with the economy
stuff.

Ask yourself, would I be proud to hand this tool down to
my kids?

Dave

To be honest with ya Dave, I would. I've already had to clean it up
from where my son-in-law drooled all over it. I've had to build it up
piecemeal to get it where it is now, and I'm not done, but I enjoy it.
Somebody who doesn't want to spend the time I spent fiddling with it
should spend the extra money. I couldn't. But I'm having fun and I
like the fact that I know that saw inside and out. But that's me. :-)
The problems I have with my projects are due to my inexperience, not
the saw.

Hope you don't consider that a flame. I tried hard not to make it one.
I think the current Giz products are solid frameworks that still need
some tweaking to get them up to par, but although they apparently used
to be junk, I don't think they are anymore.

So I'm not going to feel bad at all about handing this saw off to my
son-in-law when I have the wherewithal to purchase a unisaur and a
decent place to put it.
:-)

Dan




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In rec.woodworking
"Grant" wrote:

Just curious. Is the 93.5" blade that the Grizzly uses a "Common" blade?

I'm not sure what you mean by "common." It is not bimetal or any special
Swedish steel and it isn't made from previously before unknown elements
recovered from the Roswell UFO crash. It's just a 6tpi 3/8" blade that
cuts fine but doens't seem to last long.

The more I look into these saws the better the Grizzly looks.

The grizzly IS great. I love mine.

Is there a good but inexpensive aftermarket Mobile Base for the Grizzly
G0555? Grizzly wants $70 for theirs.

Can't help with that one. The one Sears sells sucks. Make you're own out
of hardwood?

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:21:19 -0700, "TeamCasa"
wrote:

I learned long ago, cheap tools are cheap for a reason. If Grizzly is
making a high quality tool now, then fine, go for it. But from what I have
seen first hand, they still have a few more steps to go.


FWIW, I don't think Grizzly tools are all THAT cheap. G

The $375 + $55 band saw compares to band saws in the $400-500 range,
not $850 saws. Since you have no dealer support, are jumping through
hoops to deal with truckers, and are buying it sight unseen, a premium
has to be offered to the buyer. A good dealer has value, true value
isn't free.

Many of the "free" accessories I've seen that were included with any
brand of Chiwanese machine tool are Harbor Freight quality.

There are other Chiwanese brands, like Woodtek and Sunhill that sell
Grizzly quality at the same price. Jet, General, Rigid, and Delta
sell imports at the midpoint to bottom of their lines that include
local dealer support.

FWIW, Grizzly may have the biggest advertising budget in the business,
EVERY magazine I have, including trades, like "Woodshop News", has
multiple ads. Grizzly usually buys back covers, inside front and back
covers, and sometimes centerfolds, all of which are the most expensive
ads in the issue.

While most of these Chiwanese tools are suitable for the tasks they
were designed for, overall you do get what you pay for. Every time
I've thought of ordering a Grizzly tool, with the exception of the
spindle / disc combo sander, I've found an almost identical tool, at
nearly the same price, locally.

Barry