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3/4" slot in plywood -- route or dado?
I really need to route it because I need to plunge into it and don't
want the slot the total length of the board. Been a long time since I've done this, so can't remember if I can route that wide a slot (3/4") -- just 1/4" deep or even less, just enough to fit another piece of 3/4" plywood into. Do they even make a 3/4" bit or would I have to do multiple passes for both the width and depth? (yuk). thanks |
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mkr5000 wrote:
I really need to route it because I need to plunge into it and don't want the slot the total length of the board. Been a long time since I've done this, so can't remember if I can route that wide a slot (3/4") -- just 1/4" deep or even less, just enough to fit another piece of 3/4" plywood into. Do they even make a 3/4" bit or would I have to do multiple passes for both the width and depth? (yuk). Sure assuming your router is up to the task. Altho w/ today's ply you'll more than likely want a 23/32" bit specifically for the purpose. Even there you'll want to make a test cut and see if that matches the specific piece sufficiently well. So, all in all, you may well want to consider one of two options -- use the narrower bit and make the cut in a couple of passes to ensure the proper fit or, b) cut a rabbet on the inset piece of a specific thickness and use the proper bit size for it instead. -- |
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On Jan 16, 1:12*pm, mkr5000 wrote:
I really need to route it because I need to plunge into it and don't want the slot the total length of the board. Been a long time since I've done this, so can't remember if I can route that wide a slot (3/4") -- just 1/4" deep or even less, just enough to fit another piece of 3/4" plywood into. Do they even make a 3/4" bit or would I have to do multiple passes for both the width and depth? *(yuk). thanks You can buy a router bit for plywood, it's 23/32 as is 3/4 plywood. Always good for me. |
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On 1/16/2010 12:12 PM, mkr5000 wrote:
I really need to route it because I need to plunge into it and don't want the slot the total length of the board. Been a long time since I've done this, so can't remember if I can route that wide a slot (3/4") -- just 1/4" deep or even less, just enough to fit another piece of 3/4" plywood into. Do they even make a 3/4" bit or would I have to do multiple passes for both the width and depth? (yuk). Plywood is not 3/4" thick, and yes, there are bits that are sized for the thickness of modern plywood, generally around 23/32 for 3/4" plywood. However, using a jig and a piece of the actual ply to set up the jig, can give you the exact dado size for a much better fit. Leon has a jig that is excellent for cutting the dado to the exact fit, but I can't remember where the file is located. I'm sure someone will jump in here with a url to it. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Jan 16, 11:12*am, mkr5000 wrote:
I really need to route it because I need to plunge into it and don't want the slot the total length of the board. Been a long time since I've done this, so can't remember if I can route that wide a slot (3/4") -- just 1/4" deep or even less, just enough to fit another piece of 3/4" plywood into. Do they even make a 3/4" bit or would I have to do multiple passes for both the width and depth? *(yuk). thanks They're all right about the nominal vs. actual thickness of ply. Bits ... here ... among other sources: http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops...s/setstrgt.htm |
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:26:35 -0600, Swingman wrote:
Leon has a jig that is excellent for cutting the dado to the exact fit, but I can't remember where the file is located. I've posted a dado jig to ABPW. |
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"mkr5000" wrote in message ... I really need to route it because I need to plunge into it and don't want the slot the total length of the board. Been a long time since I've done this, so can't remember if I can route that wide a slot (3/4") -- just 1/4" deep or even less, just enough to fit another piece of 3/4" plywood into. Do they even make a 3/4" bit or would I have to do multiple passes for both the width and depth? (yuk). thanks As mentioned, Leon... Oh that's me. I have designed a jig to route a slot to be exactly the width of any thickness piece of wood that you would want to fit the dado. But! If you simply want to do the deed and be done you can use the principal that my jig uses and be done with it pronto. What you will need, 1. A "Top Bearing" straight cut pattern bit. I was able to pick up cheap ones 1/2" in diameter for around $5-6 each a few years ago. 2. Two straight edges the length of the dado you want to cut and preferably at least 1/2" thick. Plywood works well for this. What to do. 1. Clamp one straight edge exactly where you want the edge of the dado to be located. 2. Use a piece of the actual material that is going to fit in the dado and stand it on edge next to the board you just clamped. 3. Clamp the second straight edge up next to that piece of scrap. Basically what you end up with are two straight edges defining exactly where the dado will be and exactly the width of the material that will fit in the dado. 4. Remove the scrap material. 5. With the top bearing bit in your router plunge down between the straight edges until the bearing is below the top surface of the straight edge. Use both straight edges to guide your cut. The top bearing will ride along the inside edges of the straight edges. You will have to make a couple passes but do not move the straight edges until the dado is complete. When finished the scrap should fit perfectly into the dado. |
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:26:35 -0600, Swingman wrote:
Plywood is not 3/4" thick, and yes, there are bits that are sized for the thickness of modern plywood, generally around 23/32 for 3/4" plywood. Assuming the OP is not using cabinet grade plywood you are correct. However, if the project does involve cabinet grade plywood then a 3/4" piece of plywood is 3/4" thick. Gordon Shumway Our Constitution needs to be used less as a shield for the guilty and more as a sword for the victim. |
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"Gordon Shumway" wrote in message ... On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:26:35 -0600, Swingman wrote: Plywood is not 3/4" thick, and yes, there are bits that are sized for the thickness of modern plywood, generally around 23/32 for 3/4" plywood. Assuming the OP is not using cabinet grade plywood you are correct. However, if the project does involve cabinet grade plywood then a 3/4" piece of plywood is 3/4" thick. After working with probably 50 sheets of cabinet grade 3/4" plywood in the last few years, specifically Oak veneer plywood, I can tell you that 3/4" cabinet grade plywood is not 3/4" thick. It is very close to 23/32" as witnessed by my tape measure just now. At least in Texas it is that way and had been for years. Now I will say that recently I have seen cabinet grade 1/4" oak veneer plywood that appeared to be a full 1/4" thick at Lowe's. I was shocked. |
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On 1/16/2010 2:14 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:26:35 -0600, wrote: Plywood is not 3/4" thick, and yes, there are bits that are sized for the thickness of modern plywood, generally around 23/32 for 3/4" plywood. Assuming the OP is not using cabinet grade plywood you are correct. However, if the project does involve cabinet grade plywood then a 3/4" piece of plywood is 3/4" thick. Actually, there is no "grade" of plywood termed "cabinet grade". -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:34:13 -0600, Swingman wrote:
On 1/16/2010 2:14 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote: On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:26:35 -0600, wrote: Plywood is not 3/4" thick, and yes, there are bits that are sized for the thickness of modern plywood, generally around 23/32 for 3/4" plywood. Assuming the OP is not using cabinet grade plywood you are correct. However, if the project does involve cabinet grade plywood then a 3/4" piece of plywood is 3/4" thick. Actually, there is no "grade" of plywood termed "cabinet grade". Touché. Gordon Shumway Our Constitution needs to be used less as a shield for the guilty and more as a sword for the victim. |
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On 1/16/2010 2:48 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:34:13 -0600, wrote: On 1/16/2010 2:14 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote: On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:26:35 -0600, wrote: Plywood is not 3/4" thick, and yes, there are bits that are sized for the thickness of modern plywood, generally around 23/32 for 3/4" plywood. Assuming the OP is not using cabinet grade plywood you are correct. However, if the project does involve cabinet grade plywood then a 3/4" piece of plywood is 3/4" thick. Actually, there is no "grade" of plywood termed "cabinet grade". Touché. I buy a _lot_ of plywood. As an example, the last 3/4" "hardwood plywood" I bought for a large kitchen project was "A-1 grade" Red Oak and was just a tad over 23/32" thick (.73) ... on a good day. Since hardwood ply varies in thickness from lot to lot, even from the same manufacturer, I try to buy plywood for a full sized kitchen all at one time, and from the same stack, so that I can at least try to get an even average thickness. AAMOF, and Leon will verify this, I ALWAYS carry a "project dado guide" in my truck for the projects that are currently in progress ... this is nothing more than cutoff stile with the project dado size cut in it that matched the thickness of the first lot of plywood bought for that particular project: http://www.e-woodshop.net/files/projectdado.jpg That way, and because I make all the face frames first, I can insure that any extra plywood that needs to be bought, from a different lot, stack, or retailer, will actually fit the pre-cut dadoes in the face frames already made up. I do wish that this thickness variable wasn't in play, but it must be taken into account when doing any production type fabrication. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Jan 16, 10:12*am, mkr5000 wrote:
I really need to route it because I need to plunge into it and don't want the slot the total length of the board. Do they even make a 3/4" bit If you can get to it, mark the slot and hog out some of the midsection with Forstner bits on a drill press. Then (with suitable guides clamped to the work) route full-depth with a smaller bit (maybe 1/2"). It's easier to get the bit into the cut if you dont have to plunge-cut (and you can use non-spiral bits), it's easier on the ears to remove the bulk of the wood with a Forstner bit, and the heat buildup (and wear) on the expensive router bit is minimized if you just clean up the edges with it. |
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:12:33 -0800 (PST), mkr5000
wrote: I really need to route it because I need to plunge into it and don't want the slot the total length of the board. Been a long time since I've done this, so can't remember if I can route that wide a slot (3/4") -- just 1/4" deep or even less, just enough to fit another piece of 3/4" plywood into. Do they even make a 3/4" bit or would I have to do multiple passes for both the width and depth? (yuk). thanks I wonder the length of your board. A dado blade in the table saw will work and is accurate but you will need to chisel out the end(s). Another method that works well... Clamp on a straight-edge and make a hardwood strip that is taped to the straight edge. Make the first pass with a 1/2" , remove the strip, make the second pass. You may need 3 or 4 test tries to get the groove width you need. After the gauge strip is correct, the setup is repeatable. A router sled jig is another consideration, good or not depending on your setup. I have not seen a 3/4" straight router bit, but that sounds hefty (probably pricey), and you may need better at a slower speed. |
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"Phisherman" wrote in message ... I have not seen a 3/4" straight router bit, but that sounds hefty (probably pricey), and you may need better at a slower speed. I got one in a cheap set of bits at Harbor Freight awhile back. I recently used it to make dadoes for 3/4" shelves in a bookcase made of poplar, worked fine despite not being el primo quality. |
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:26:30 -0600, "Leon"
wrote: After working with probably 50 sheets of cabinet grade 3/4" plywood in the last few years, specifically Oak veneer plywood, I can tell you that 3/4" cabinet grade plywood is not 3/4" thick. It is very close to 23/32" as witnessed by my tape measure just now. At least in Texas it is that way and had been for years. I haven't used 50 sheets of plywood in these last years, but I can tell you that's it's been well over 30 years since I've actually seen plywood that's exactly 3/4" thick. Between imperial and metric measurements, plywood in Canada has been every conceivable thickness except 3/4". |
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"Swingman" wrote in message ... On 1/16/2010 2:14 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote: On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:26:35 -0600, wrote: Plywood is not 3/4" thick, and yes, there are bits that are sized for the thickness of modern plywood, generally around 23/32 for 3/4" plywood. Assuming the OP is not using cabinet grade plywood you are correct. However, if the project does involve cabinet grade plywood then a 3/4" piece of plywood is 3/4" thick. Actually, there is no "grade" of plywood termed "cabinet grade". Seems like Hardwood Products refers to cabinet quality and paint grade. |
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wrote: I haven't used 50 sheets of plywood in these last years, but I can tell you that's it's been well over 30 years since I've actually seen plywood that's exactly 3/4" thick. Between imperial and metric measurements, plywood in Canada has been every conceivable thickness except 3/4". Around here, 5x5 Finnish birch comes off the pile in 3/4" sheets. Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... wrote: I haven't used 50 sheets of plywood in these last years, but I can tell you that's it's been well over 30 years since I've actually seen plywood that's exactly 3/4" thick. Between imperial and metric measurements, plywood in Canada has been every conceivable thickness except 3/4". Around here, 5x5 Finnish birch comes off the pile in 3/4" sheets. Actual 3/4? What I get is typically closer to 18-19 mm IIRC. |
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"Leon" wrote: Actual 3/4? What I get is typically closer to 18-19 mm IIRC. Yes, actual 3/4" for 13 ply. Also, 1/4", 1/2" (9 ply) and 5/8" (11 ply). All bets off on 4x8 shts. Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... "Leon" wrote: Actual 3/4? What I get is typically closer to 18-19 mm IIRC. Yes, actual 3/4" for 13 ply. Also, 1/4", 1/2" (9 ply) and 5/8" (11 ply). All bets off on 4x8 shts. Lew Cool..All I can find is actual metric. |
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mkr5000 wrote: I really need to route it because I need to plunge into it and don't want the slot the total length of the board. Been a long time since I've done this, so can't remember if I can route that wide a slot (3/4") -- just 1/4" deep or even less, just enough to fit another piece of 3/4" plywood into. Do they even make a 3/4" bit or would I have to do multiple passes for both the width and depth? (yuk). routing to that depth is _no_ problem, assuming you've got an 'adequate' router. _I_ would use a narrower bit, and do two passes -- that way I can guarantee an exact fit for 'whatever' thickness the nominal 3/4" ply is. I've had some that would _not_ fit in an exact 3/4" slot and others that were loosey-goosey in a 23/32nds slot. The type/class of the plywood, the manufacturer, the humidity it's been exposed to, can all make a difference. And they're all -guaranteed- to be in the direction that you'd rather -not- have them go. wry grin This is especially important since you've ruled out the optimum solution of cutting a slot with a Freud 60-tooth blade. Which, as reported in another thread herein -- according to Freud's own advertising -- "always cuts to the correct length." |
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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:53:53 -0700, Robert Bonomi wrote
(in article ): In article , mkr5000 wrote: I really need to route it because I need to plunge into it and don't want the slot the total length of the board. Been a long time since I've done this, so can't remember if I can route that wide a slot (3/4") -- just 1/4" deep or even less, just enough to fit another piece of 3/4" plywood into. Do they even make a 3/4" bit or would I have to do multiple passes for both the width and depth? (yuk). I've gone the router route ;^) Problem with a dado set is you must make sure the wood is _firmly_ forced against the table or the resulting bump in the bottom of the groove will throw everything off. Also consider cutting more than a foot into the center of a board (side shelf supports). Either you need a really long miter gauge or a good panel sled setup. -Bruce |
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On 16 Jan, 18:12, mkr5000 wrote:
Do they even make a 3/4" bit or would I have to do multiple passes for both the width and depth? *(yuk). Good guide rail, and do it in two full-depth plunges, one for each side. If you've got a really good guide rail, you could do it in one pass (for 1/4" depth) or multi-depth passes, cutting both sides simultaneously. That's a hateful process though, as the forces are pushing you both ways simultaneously, so are far harder to control. |
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On 17 Jan, 14:43, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Around here, 5x5 Finnish birch comes off the pile in 3/4" sheets. Same here, although it's actually just enough below 3/4" that it fits a 3/4" dado just nicely, merely needing the edge broken. Another reson to use the good stuff. I don't use cheap ply much, certainly not for making cabinets out of. Repeatable results like this are just one reason. The only ply I've used lately has been some cheap Chinese stuff (sorry) for dy-lining the refurbed workshop, and the thickness of that wasn't even consistent from one end of the board to the other. |
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Don't try to get to the thickness of the plywood.
Cut a rabbet to a "known" thickness(1/2" is good) and then route a slot using a 1/2" bit. Using this method, you can really get very close and not worry about weird sized plywood. Actually, I would make my dado and sneak up with the rabbet. You can do this with a table saw or a router table. mkr5000 wrote: I really need to route it because I need to plunge into it and don't want the slot the total length of the board. Been a long time since I've done this, so can't remember if I can route that wide a slot (3/4") -- just 1/4" deep or even less, just enough to fit another piece of 3/4" plywood into. Do they even make a 3/4" bit or would I have to do multiple passes for both the width and depth? (yuk). thanks |
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On Jan 18, 2:44*pm, Pat Barber wrote:
Don't try to get to the thickness of the plywood. Cut a rabbet to a "known" thickness(1/2" is good) and then route a slot using a 1/2" bit. Using this method, you can really get very close and not worry about weird sized plywood. Actually, I would make my dado and sneak up with the rabbet. You can do this with a table saw or a router table. I've used that method when I've pre-finished the components. The rabits and dados then expose unfinished wood for the glue to bond to. |
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"Pat Barber" wrote in message ... Don't try to get to the thickness of the plywood. Cut a rabbet to a "known" thickness(1/2" is good) and then route a slot using a 1/2" bit. Using this method, you can really get very close and not worry about weird sized plywood. Actually, I would make my dado and sneak up with the rabbet. You can do this with a table saw or a router table. Thank you Pat. I have been watching this same question for a long time now, and have wondered why people make so much of such a simple thing. Measure what you have on hand - cut to fit that measurement - glue it up. Good Lord - why does it have to be so complicated? -- -Mike- |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote: Good Lord - why does it have to be so complicated? Think mid "January", think "Bored", "Cabin Fever". Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... "Mike Marlow" wrote: Good Lord - why does it have to be so complicated? Think mid "January", think "Bored", "Cabin Fever". ****... I thought that was what sex was for. Damned, are you telling me I have to come up with a new line to convince the wife that it's time again? -- -Mike- |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in message ... "Pat Barber" wrote in message ... Don't try to get to the thickness of the plywood. Cut a rabbet to a "known" thickness(1/2" is good) and then route a slot using a 1/2" bit. Using this method, you can really get very close and not worry about weird sized plywood. Actually, I would make my dado and sneak up with the rabbet. You can do this with a table saw or a router table. Thank you Pat. I have been watching this same question for a long time now, and have wondered why people make so much of such a simple thing. Measure what you have on hand - cut to fit that measurement - glue it up. Good Lord - why does it have to be so complicated? I really do not see much of an advantage doing it this way. You either cut the dado to be a precise fit or you cut a dado a specific size then measure and make a precice cut on the board to fit the dado. IMHO 6 of one, half dozen of the other except if you cut the shelf to fit the dado you are making 2 cuts instead of 1. |
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"Leon" wrote in message ... "Mike Marlow" wrote in message ... "Pat Barber" wrote in message ... Don't try to get to the thickness of the plywood. Cut a rabbet to a "known" thickness(1/2" is good) and then route a slot using a 1/2" bit. Using this method, you can really get very close and not worry about weird sized plywood. Actually, I would make my dado and sneak up with the rabbet. You can do this with a table saw or a router table. Thank you Pat. I have been watching this same question for a long time now, and have wondered why people make so much of such a simple thing. Measure what you have on hand - cut to fit that measurement - glue it up. Good Lord - why does it have to be so complicated? I really do not see much of an advantage doing it this way. You either cut the dado to be a precise fit or you cut a dado a specific size then measure and make a precice cut on the board to fit the dado. IMHO 6 of one, half dozen of the other except if you cut the shelf to fit the dado you are making 2 cuts instead of 1. True Leon - on the point of two cuts instead of one. For me, I make my dado's with a router for the most part. I find it faster than installing a dado blade and setting it up to a proper size cut. Since I don't own every router bit known to man, I have to default to selecting the closest size, and then making the board fit the slot. This by the way, I generally do with a router also. Sometimes with the table saw. I'll confess that my technique is based more on my preference for tool set up/use, and the ways that seem more convenient to me, than anything else. I don't think I could defend my techniques against others, as being a better way. -- -Mike- |
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On Jan 16, 1:12*pm, mkr5000 wrote:
Do they even make a 3/4" Yes, they do make a 3/4" bit designed for plywood rabbits. And, if you're intending to do a lot of them, maybe it's worth the $$. Otherwise, multiple passes. |
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On Jan 16, 1:12*pm, mkr5000 wrote:
The response "b) cut a rabbet on the inset piece of a specific thickness and use the proper bit size for it instead. " is they way I did it last time. It's forgiving and hides the joint nicely. |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in message ... True Leon - on the point of two cuts instead of one. For me, I make my dado's with a router for the most part. I find it faster than installing a dado blade and setting it up to a proper size cut. Since I don't own every router bit known to man, I have to default to selecting the closest size, and then making the board fit the slot. This by the way, I generally do with a router also. Sometimes with the table saw. I'll confess that my technique is based more on my preference for tool set up/use, and the ways that seem more convenient to me, than anything else. I don't think I could defend my techniques against others, as being a better way. Understood. The dado blade can be a PIA however if you route the slot like I mentioned above you can cut an exact fit dado to any stock you wish regardless of thickness, 5/8", 11/16", 23/32" with only a 1/2" bit. And it only takes a couple of moments extra to use that method. BUT we use the method which we are most comforatble with . LOL |
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Undersized plywood slot cutters | Woodworking | |||
Choosing/using router bits to dado/rabbet and groove for/into under/nominal sized plywood?? | Woodworking |