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I am building an 8'x10' storage shed from mostly scrap materials for $$ reasons.
I need to construct side walls 7' high using 2'x4's that are 3'- 4' in length. Is it safe? If so, how should I do it? Mending plates, kerf cuts? Rob |
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They make a finger jointing buit that inmitates the pattern you see on
door trim/jambs. I'd probably opt for mending plates and/or screws.You could use one peice as an overlapping piece for the joint and use screws to join. On 17 Nov 2003 08:34:58 -0800, (Rob) wrote: I am building an 8'x10' storage shed from mostly scrap materials for $$ reasons. I need to construct side walls 7' high using 2'x4's that are 3'- 4' in length. Is it safe? If so, how should I do it? Mending plates, kerf cuts? Rob |
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you can get REAL studs at HD for a few pennies above $2. You CAN'T be
that broke! dave Rob wrote: I am building an 8'x10' storage shed from mostly scrap materials for $$ reasons. I need to construct side walls 7' high using 2'x4's that are 3'- 4' in length. Is it safe? If so, how should I do it? Mending plates, kerf cuts? Rob |
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he could be a lot of 2x4's for the price of the bit; remember, he's
trying to SAVE money. dave Lawrence A. Ramsey wrote: They make a finger jointing buit that inmitates the pattern you see on door trim/jambs. I'd probably opt for mending plates and/or screws.You could use one peice as an overlapping piece for the joint and use screws to join. On 17 Nov 2003 08:34:58 -0800, (Rob) wrote: I am building an 8'x10' storage shed from mostly scrap materials for $$ reasons. I need to construct side walls 7' high using 2'x4's that are 3'- 4' in length. Is it safe? If so, how should I do it? Mending plates, kerf cuts? Rob |
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On 17 Nov 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
you can get REAL studs at HD for a few pennies above $2. You CAN'T be that broke! Your keyboard already HAS a SHIFT key. You can't be THAT lazy. |
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Oh yes he can! I am.
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:08:17 GMT, Bay Area Dave wrote: you can get REAL studs at HD for a few pennies above $2. You CAN'T be that broke! dave Rob wrote: I am building an 8'x10' storage shed from mostly scrap materials for $$ reasons. I need to construct side walls 7' high using 2'x4's that are 3'- 4' in length. Is it safe? If so, how should I do it? Mending plates, kerf cuts? Rob |
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put your pc on ebay...
![]() dave Lawrence A. Ramsey wrote: Oh yes he can! I am. On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:08:17 GMT, Bay Area Dave wrote: you can get REAL studs at HD for a few pennies above $2. You CAN'T be that broke! dave Rob wrote: I am building an 8'x10' storage shed from mostly scrap materials for $$ reasons. I need to construct side walls 7' high using 2'x4's that are 3'- 4' in length. Is it safe? If so, how should I do it? Mending plates, kerf cuts? Rob |
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Try a half-lap joint with the mending plates.
Shawn Rob wrote: I am building an 8'x10' storage shed from mostly scrap materials for $$ reasons. I need to construct side walls 7' high using 2'x4's that are 3'- 4' in length. Is it safe? If so, how should I do it? Mending plates, kerf cuts? Rob |
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Bay Area Dave wrote:
you can get REAL studs at HD for a few pennies above $2. You CAN'T be that broke! Several points... g - Why spend $2 * (the number of studs) if you don't have to? Lotsa rich folk, who live very well, are quite frugal about buying new when used will do. In many cases it's how they got and kept wealth. - I've had new, kiln dried studs get all twisty. It doesn't matter much in a wall, but why not use pieces that are probably done twisting? - My neighbor has a nice shed he's building from construction site castoffs. I raid his trash for 2' & longer 2x4's and 2x6's. Some of us *enjoy* making useful things from other's junk. g My drafting table top and a couple of 4-drawer roll arounds came from two desks that were tossed out when a business moved. The top of my drill press table came from one of the desk sides. Even if I could drop a million dollars a year into this hobby I'd still enjoy making functional utility stuff from castoffs. -- Mark |
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there are 2 qualities of studs at HD. if you spend an extra 12 cents or
so, you can get straight ones, all day long... dave Mark Jerde wrote: Bay Area Dave wrote: you can get REAL studs at HD for a few pennies above $2. You CAN'T be that broke! Several points... g - Why spend $2 * (the number of studs) if you don't have to? Lotsa rich folk, who live very well, are quite frugal about buying new when used will do. In many cases it's how they got and kept wealth. - I've had new, kiln dried studs get all twisty. It doesn't matter much in a wall, but why not use pieces that are probably done twisting? - My neighbor has a nice shed he's building from construction site castoffs. I raid his trash for 2' & longer 2x4's and 2x6's. Some of us *enjoy* making useful things from other's junk. g My drafting table top and a couple of 4-drawer roll arounds came from two desks that were tossed out when a business moved. The top of my drill press table came from one of the desk sides. Even if I could drop a million dollars a year into this hobby I'd still enjoy making functional utility stuff from castoffs. -- Mark |
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Use the crap you find in your woodstove. Take the money you save on oil and
buy real studs so the roof doesn't cave in on your head and cost you money at the emergency room. -- -Jim ©¿©¬ If you want to reply by email its -- ryan at jimryan dot com Please use BCC and lets all avoid spam "Shawn" wrote in message ... Try a half-lap joint with the mending plates. Shawn Rob wrote: I am building an 8'x10' storage shed from mostly scrap materials for $$ reasons. I need to construct side walls 7' high using 2'x4's that are 3'- 4' in length. Is it safe? If so, how should I do it? Mending plates, kerf cuts? Rob |
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Rob wrote: I am building an 8'x10' storage shed from mostly scrap materials for $$ reasons. I need to construct side walls 7' high using 2'x4's that are 3'- 4' in length. Is it safe? If so, how should I do it? Mending plates, kerf cuts? Rob If you've got _lots_ of scrap available, and can add a 'splice piece' on *both* sides of each point where the butt joints are, I'd say "go for it". i.e.: 1 1 1 1 A1B A1B A1B A1B A1B A2B A2B A2B A2B A2B 2 2 2 2 I'd run the 'splice' pieces (A and B, above) _at_least_ a foot beyond the 1-2 joint, in each direction. I would *not* trust nails, or screws, to hold things together. I tend to "over-engineer" for reliability (*PARTICULARLY* when I'm "not sure" what I'm doing ![]() the whole mess, above and below the joint point. With big 'fender' washers. A total of 4 bolts, one pair about 3-4" away from the joint, and the second pair about 9" away. |
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liquid nails crystalizes after a few years and becomes TOTALLY
WORTHLESS. don't rely on that stuff. Dave Mundt wrote: Greetings and Salutations. On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:12:33 GMT, () wrote: In article , Rob wrote: I am building an 8'x10' storage shed from mostly scrap materials for $$ reasons. I need to construct side walls 7' high using 2'x4's that are 3'- 4' in length. Is it safe? If so, how should I do it? Mending plates, kerf cuts? Rob If you've got _lots_ of scrap available, and can add a 'splice piece' on *both* sides of each point where the butt joints are, I'd say "go for it". i.e.: *snip* that sounds like a decent plan for a storage shed. I would also coat all the touching surfaces with Liquid Nails. I REALLY like its ability to turn two pieces of wood into one. Got to have panels on both sides of the joint though, and, up a fairly long way from it too. Regards Dave Mundt |
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Thanks to everyone for the info and the welcome to rec.woodworking!
The ASCII diagrams were especially useful. With this post I was mainly concerned with the side walls. I will likely use (purchased) clear spans of 2"x4" for the roof in the interest of safety. Although, if I can figure out a solidly engineered truss system using the same construction cast offs I might go in that direction. Mending plates will cost extra so, I'll probably pass on using those for the walls. My point in all this IS to be frugal. Currently, we have one half of a garage filled with lawn & garden equipment and I would like to reclaim this area for a workbench and to park my car. We have the "benefit" of living in a development with several houses under construction. Currently, two have been sheetrocked, two have just had foundations completed with lumber delivered. Another has just been sheathed. I have a qty of leftover exterior grade screws I will use as well as some nails. I also have a reliable source of wood pallets through my wife's employer. I will be examining these next for the 2"x4" used. I am aware that the quality of wood varies widely in pallets and may not be worth using (or even safe). For those interested in tracking my progress I will post a page soon. So far I have scavenged the following cast off materials: 2 pkgs of cast off roof shingles (black) 30' of 2x4 mostly in 8' and 10-12' sections scavengend from a cast off truss. 8 concrete blocks. These have been already cut in a "half/L" shape which I will use as perimeter "piers". 1 partial roll of vinyl flooring. What I plan to buy: pressure treated lumber for the floor framing Some exterior paint (keeping an eye on the "oops" cart at HD & Lowe's). Alternate plan: I have seen some scrap vinyl siding but, will keep an eye out for the right color. Rob A.(who's usually on alt.food.barbecue) |
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Since your stock is 4' long, just build two walls sections that
are 4' in height. Stack one section on top of the other and nail them together. A little odd, but you are trying to save money. Rob wrote: I am building an 8'x10' storage shed from mostly scrap materials for $$ reasons. I need to construct side walls 7' high using 2'x4's that are 3'- 4' in length. Is it safe? If so, how should I do it? Mending plates, kerf cuts? Rob |
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Well, there you go! Several houses under construction + midnight = shed!!!
g -- This space for rent. Jerry© The Phoneman® "Rob" wrote in message om... Thanks to everyone for the info and the welcome to rec.woodworking! The ASCII diagrams were especially useful. With this post I was mainly concerned with the side walls. I will likely use (purchased) clear spans of 2"x4" for the roof in the interest of safety. Although, if I can figure out a solidly engineered truss system using the same construction cast offs I might go in that direction. Mending plates will cost extra so, I'll probably pass on using those for the walls. My point in all this IS to be frugal. Currently, we have one half of a garage filled with lawn & garden equipment and I would like to reclaim this area for a workbench and to park my car. We have the "benefit" of living in a development with several houses under construction. Currently, two have been sheetrocked, two have just had foundations completed with lumber delivered. Another has just been sheathed. I have a qty of leftover exterior grade screws I will use as well as some nails. I also have a reliable source of wood pallets through my wife's employer. I will be examining these next for the 2"x4" used. I am aware that the quality of wood varies widely in pallets and may not be worth using (or even safe). For those interested in tracking my progress I will post a page soon. So far I have scavenged the following cast off materials: 2 pkgs of cast off roof shingles (black) 30' of 2x4 mostly in 8' and 10-12' sections scavengend from a cast off truss. 8 concrete blocks. These have been already cut in a "half/L" shape which I will use as perimeter "piers". 1 partial roll of vinyl flooring. What I plan to buy: pressure treated lumber for the floor framing Some exterior paint (keeping an eye on the "oops" cart at HD & Lowe's). Alternate plan: I have seen some scrap vinyl siding but, will keep an eye out for the right color. Rob A.(who's usually on alt.food.barbecue) |
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Scarfing together short pieces to get a longer one is definitely a good solution, but hardly worth the effort for such low cost materials such as construction grade 2x4's. Even if you have a supply of FREE small pieces, you can't get there from here. HTH -- Lew S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland) Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures |
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Hey he could be that broke. I am doing the very same thing. That's why I am looking at this site. For your information a 2x4 stud is about $7.49 at Lowes.
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On 4/28/2021 10:36 PM, Broke wrote:
Hey he could be that broke. I am doing the very same thing. That's why I am looking at this site. For your information a 2x4 stud is about $7.49 at Lowes. Wow, that's awful. I have a small hoard of 8' or so 2X4's in my cellar that I've been meaning to pull the nails from for years. I'm glad that I held onto them! |
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Broke on Thu, 29 Apr
2021 02:36:40 +0000 typed in rec.woodworking the following: Hey he could be that broke. I am doing the very same thing. That's why I am looking at this site. For your information a 2x4 stud is about $7.49 at Lowes. I didn't follow the link. But, no reason to not make a shed out of 2x4s. Might not be the most "efficient" way to do it, but then again, if you have a "surplus" of 2x4s ... I'm reminded of the story about the Amana colony which supposedly built a lot of buildings - barns included - of black walnut. Because they were along way from anywhere and there were a lot of black walnut trees on the property, which had to be cleared for farming anyway. -- pyotr filipivich This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them. Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm) Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm) |
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Michael Trew on Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:16:08 -0400
typed in rec.woodworking the following: On 4/28/2021 10:36 PM, Broke wrote: Hey he could be that broke. I am doing the very same thing. That's why I am looking at this site. For your information a 2x4 stud is about $7.49 at Lowes. Wow, that's awful. I have a small hoard of 8' or so 2X4's in my cellar that I've been meaning to pull the nails from for years. I'm glad that I held onto them! The "joke" is that the Border Patrol found lumber with a street value of 1.7 million dollars concealed in a shipment of cocaine. -- pyotr filipivich This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them. Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm) Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm) |
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pyotr filipivich writes:
Broke on Thu, 29 Apr 2021 02:36:40 +0000 typed in rec.woodworking the following: Hey he could be that broke. I am doing the very same thing. That's why I am looking at this site. For your information a 2x4 stud is about $7.49 at Lowes. I didn't follow the link. But, no reason to not make a shed out of 2x4s. Might not be the most "efficient" way to do it, but then again, if you have a "surplus" of 2x4s ... I'm reminded of the story about the Amana colony which supposedly built a lot of buildings - barns included - of black walnut. Because they were along way from anywhere and there were a lot of black walnut trees on the property, which had to be cleared for farming anyway. The exterior walls on my Uncle's farmhouse in Wisconsin are made from oak and walnut 2x4's. Two story, balloon construction, but rather than modern studwalls, the 2x4's were laid flat like a log house to build up a solid, 4-inch (real 2x4's) thick wood exterior wall. |
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On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 1:03:32 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
pyotr filipivich writes: Broke on Thu, 29 Apr 2021 02:36:40 +0000 typed in rec.woodworking the following: Hey he could be that broke. I am doing the very same thing. That's why I am looking at this site. For your information a 2x4 stud is about $7.49 at Lowes. I didn't follow the link. But, no reason to not make a shed out of 2x4s. Might not be the most "efficient" way to do it, but then again, if you have a "surplus" of 2x4s ... I'm reminded of the story about the Amana colony which supposedly built a lot of buildings - barns included - of black walnut. Because they were along way from anywhere and there were a lot of black walnut trees on the property, which had to be cleared for farming anyway. The exterior walls on my Uncle's farmhouse in Wisconsin are made from oak and walnut 2x4's. Two story, balloon construction, but rather than modern studwalls, the 2x4's were laid flat like a log house to build up a solid, 4-inch (real 2x4's) thick wood exterior wall. A few years ago SWMBO and I were driving through the countryside of Massachusetts when we came across a number of tobacco fields and their drying sheds. https://i.imgur.com/ywmkzns.jpg We noticed that some were as old as the one in that image and some were practically brand new, right on the same property. We ended up talking to a local who explained what we were seeing. It turns out that designers and contractors (city folk) from NYC and elsewhere were buying up the old wood so they can charge their clients big bucks for building things with "reclaimed wood". They would negotiate with the landowners and come to an agreement based on the condition of the wood. At a minimum, they would build a new drying shed for the landowner and call it a wash. In some cases there might be an exchange of cash, usually in the direction of the landowner (in addition to the new shed) when the old wood was of top "reclaimed wood" quality. It's kind of weird to call it "reclaimed", which I consider wood left over after a project. Taking a entire building apart and building a new one just because you want the old wood isn't my definition of "reclaimed", but using that term is a great way to get a higher price. "The wood I want to use for your project was reclaimed when they tore down some tobacco drying sheds in Massachusetts." It's not really a lie, but it does stretch the truth a bit. |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:16:08 -0400, Michael Trew
wrote: On 4/28/2021 10:36 PM, Broke wrote: Hey he could be that broke. I am doing the very same thing. That's why I am looking at this site. For your information a 2x4 stud is about $7.49 at Lowes. Wow, that's awful. I have a small hoard of 8' or so 2X4's in my cellar that I've been meaning to pull the nails from for years. I'm glad that I held onto them! That's what I paid last weekend at the BORG. I needed two (always forget them) to slide a couple of sheets of MDF into the truck. I used to buy 10 or 20 at a time just because. Not until things turn around. |
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DerbyDad03 on Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:12:06 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following: It's kind of weird to call it "reclaimed", which I consider wood left over after a project. Taking a entire building apart and building a new one just because you want the old wood isn't my definition of "reclaimed", but using that term is a great way to get a higher price. "The wood I want to use for your project was reclaimed when they tore down some tobacco drying sheds in Massachusetts." It's not really a lie, but it does stretch the truth a bit. And then there is the option to rip the planks in half and laminate the resulting thin planks to a substrate, and use them for "ambiance". The "old look" coffee shops etc. -- pyotr filipivich This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them. Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm) Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm) |
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"Broke" wrote in message
groupdirect.com... Hey he could be that broke. I am doing the very same thing. That's why I am looking at this site. For your information a 2x4 stud is about $7.49 at Lowes. -- For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/woodwo...ed-171768-.htm If there are enough 2x4 pieces perhaps making 4x4s out of them with staggered butt joints and lots of nails and glue would work out. I had a project one time that included scribing sleepers to an above grade concrete floor. I had a lot of 8 foot long trimmings after doing that task. I ended up jointing them, gluing them up, and then dimensioning them to standard 2x4 dimensions. I had enough studs to frame an interior partition wall. It didn't take long, I didn't have a lot of trash, and I ended up with straighter more stable studs than I could buy. It was a nice diversion... |
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On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 6:44:08 PM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
DerbyDad03 on Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:12:06 -0700 (PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following: It's kind of weird to call it "reclaimed", which I consider wood left over after a project. Taking a entire building apart and building a new one just because you want the old wood isn't my definition of "reclaimed", but using that term is a great way to get a higher price. "The wood I want to use for your project was reclaimed when they tore down some tobacco drying sheds in Massachusetts." It's not really a lie, but it does stretch the truth a bit. And then there is the option to rip the planks in half and laminate the resulting thin planks to a substrate, and use them for "ambiance". The "old look" coffee shops etc. Since you said "resulting thin planks" I assume you mean resaw, not rip. Ripping a 2 x whatever (once) results in two 2 x (0.5 * whatevers). You've ~ halved the width, but you haven't changed the thickness. Resawing a 2 x whatever (once) results in two 1 x whatevers. The width remains the same but the thickness is ~ halved. It would suck to take a bunch of really cool wood to a mill-work shop and ask them to rip it in half when you really want them to resaw it. I can only imagine the look on your face when you go to pick it up. Ouch. |
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DerbyDad03 on Sat, 1 May 2021 08:28:13 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following: On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 6:44:08 PM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote: DerbyDad03 on Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:12:06 -0700 (PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following: It's kind of weird to call it "reclaimed", which I consider wood left over after a project. Taking a entire building apart and building a new one just because you want the old wood isn't my definition of "reclaimed", but using that term is a great way to get a higher price. "The wood I want to use for your project was reclaimed when they tore down some tobacco drying sheds in Massachusetts." It's not really a lie, but it does stretch the truth a bit. And then there is the option to rip the planks in half and laminate the resulting thin planks to a substrate, and use them for "ambiance". The "old look" coffee shops etc. Since you said "resulting thin planks" I assume you mean resaw, not rip. Well, they're not cutting across the grain, so 'rip'. But if 'resaw' is the term for when you make two 1/4 inch board out of a 1/2 inch board, then yeah, resaw. Ripping a 2 x whatever (once) results in two 2 x (0.5 * whatevers). You've ~ halved the width, but you haven't changed the thickness. Resawing a 2 x whatever (once) results in two 1 x whatevers. The width remains the same but the thickness is ~ halved. It would suck to take a bunch of really cool wood to a mill-work shop and ask them to rip it in half when you really want them to resaw it. I can only imagine the look on your face when you go to pick it up. Ouch. Thanks for the tip. One of those areas where I didn't know there was a specific term for what I had in mind. I'm likely to do my own resaw work anyway. -- pyotr filipivich This Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them. Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm) Selecting who insufficiently Woke(tm) as to serve as the new Them(tm) |
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