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Makita 8433 Combi Cordless 14v or 18v
Hello All,
After purchasing a Makita SDS drill I am very impressed with the quality of the product and it has spurred me to replace my 18v B&D firestorm? cordless. The chuck on the B&D is useless and comes undone easily and the battery life is too short It also whines and is far too loud Having looked at what?s available and reading some of the previous messages I have finally decided on the Makita 8433 series. I have found Lawson HIS to have the cheapest prices so far at £247 for the 18v and £188 (offer runs out on 21st June) for the 14.4v inc vat and delivery. The difference in torque is 45nm and 38nm. Anyone who is lucky enough to own one of these please comment on the differences between the 14.4v and 18v models. 1. How long is the battery life per charge? And is the torque difference a big deal. 2. I don?t know what the torque is on my B&D 18v but it is adequate for the jobs I?ve thrown at it. I've also had a Performance power 14v and that did not have enough torque for some jobs I gave it to do. Therefore I?m wondering whether I need to go for the 18v Makita instead of the 14.4v. If anyone has bought one recently then please comment on what persuaded you between the 18v/14v/12v models (apart from the price) Thanks for all your help in adv. |
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Makita 8433 Combi Cordless 14v or 18v
"Quddus" wrote in message
om... Hello All, After purchasing a Makita SDS drill I am very impressed with the quality of the product and it has spurred me to replace my 18v B&D firestorm? cordless. The chuck on the B&D is useless and comes undone easily and the battery life is too short It also whines and is far too loud Having looked at what?s available and reading some of the previous messages I have finally decided on the Makita 8433 series. I have found Lawson HIS to have the cheapest prices so far at £247 for the 18v and £188 (offer runs out on 21st June) for the 14.4v inc vat and delivery. The difference in torque is 45nm and 38nm. Anyone who is lucky enough to own one of these please comment on the differences between the 14.4v and 18v models. 1. How long is the battery life per charge? And is the torque difference a big deal. 2. I don?t know what the torque is on my B&D 18v but it is adequate for the jobs I?ve thrown at it. I've also had a Performance power 14v and that did not have enough torque for some jobs I gave it to do. Therefore I?m wondering whether I need to go for the 18v Makita instead of the 14.4v. If anyone has bought one recently then please comment on what persuaded you between the 18v/14v/12v models (apart from the price) Thanks for all your help in adv. I can't rate the 14.4v Makita drill/drivers highly enough. Seeing as you already have the SDS drill, I can't personally think of anything that would require the 18v in day to day use. I had two of the B&D 'top of the range' 18v drills before my Makita, and this has miles more torque. The Dewalt drills generally post a higher torque value, but I am not sure if this is to do with gearing or whatever, as when I have used them (fairly extensively) I've noticed no improvement over the Makitas. Each to his own I guess. One thing to note, my Makita is a fair bit heavier than the B&D, despite being only 14.4v (metal gearing adds weight I guess). I think the 18v would have been a little awkward for me. Why are you going for a combi? Personal preference I guess, but I've never really found the need for the extra complexity of the pathetic hammer action from a non-sds drill, when you have an SDS to hand (albeit mains powered). Just for reference, I got the 6336DWDE http://www.makita.com/Cordless_Item_View.asp?id=241 for £200 incl vat & delivery from www.itslondon.co.uk with 3 genuine Makita Ni-Mh batteries included. HTH Alex |
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Makita 8433 Combi Cordless 14v or 18v
Quddus wrote:
If anyone has bought one recently then please comment on what persuaded you between the 18v/14v/12v models (apart from the price) I bought the 18V a couple of months ago after trying a whole range of other makes, and am very, very happy with it. The 2.6Ah NiMH batteries give huge battery life. When using it to screw down flooring, it can go for several hours before needing a battery swap. Several places (Screwfix and Axminster I think) are doing it with 3 battery packs. I got a 3 battery pack one with a free pocket TV for £280 from Screwfix. -- Grunff |
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Makita 8433 Combi Cordless 14v or 18v
Either one will do most diy jobs, mine at work lasted 5 years and 50
students abuse, in the end it was battery failure that killed it off, the chuck/gearbox bearings were loose, the motor sparked a bit, but with a new batt it'd still break your wrist (was 14.4V 2.2aH, borrowed a new 14.4 2.8Ah from a contractor) looked at the cost of new batts/rebuilds, boss opted for cheapie drill that if it lasts the 2 years they warranty it for will still be BWFM, if it last a year it still would be, but he'll send it back! Biggest hole saw I used was a 6", on sheet metal mainly, but occasionally through 2" composite steel/particle/steel floor tiles on a suspended floor.... Niel. p.s. they put a hammer through the old drills so no-one could take them home and use them, ruddy ex-navy types... |
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Makita 8433 Combi Cordless 14v or 18v
"Quddus" wrote in message om... Hello All, After purchasing a Makita SDS drill I am very impressed with the quality of the product and it has spurred me to replace my 18v B&D firestorm? cordless. The chuck on the B&D is useless and comes undone easily and the battery life is too short It also whines and is far too loud Having looked at what?s available and reading some of the previous messages I have finally decided on the Makita 8433 series. I have found Lawson HIS to have the cheapest prices so far at £247 for the 18v and £188 (offer runs out on 21st June) for the 14.4v inc vat and delivery. The difference in torque is 45nm and 38nm. Anyone who is lucky enough to own one of these please comment on the differences between the 14.4v and 18v models. 1. How long is the battery life per charge? And is the torque difference a big deal. 2. I don?t know what the torque is on my B&D 18v but it is adequate for the jobs I?ve thrown at it. I've also had a Performance power 14v and that did not have enough torque for some jobs I gave it to do. Therefore I?m wondering whether I need to go for the 18v Makita instead of the 14.4v. If anyone has bought one recently then please comment on what persuaded you between the 18v/14v/12v models (apart from the price) Thanks for all your help in adv. I think that going from a B&D to a decent Makita or other industrial rated cordless, you're easily able to drop a voltage band and get the same or better performane wrt torque (not to mention battery life, speed of charging, speed control etc). I had a 12v B&D drill/driver and changed to an Atlas Copco (aka Milwaukee) 9.6v model (I find the smaller ones rather more convenient for most screwdriving operations) and actually got an increase in torque! (try a Milwaukee/AC one if you can find a shop selling them, but I/m very biased towards mine...) There's a reason diy brands don't often quote the torque figures... -- Richard Sampson email me at richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk |
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Makita 8433 Combi Cordless 14v or 18v
Quddus wrote:
If anyone has bought one recently then please comment on what persuaded you between the 18v/14v/12v models (apart from the price) I got the 18V version recently from Lawson HIS, came with three batteries and a Makita branded Fleece (not bad, black with red monogram, and XL as well ;-) I went for this drill after reading the various good reviews on this forum in the past. I was replacing a 15 year old 9.6V B&D Proline (which was a semi pro range they did for a few years under their own brand before they acquired the likes of Dewalt or Elu) which to be fair was very good in its day. In real terms the Makita probably cost no more than the B&D (since IIRC you bought the charger separately from the drill!). So I figured if it lasts as long then the annual cost is pretty low! I chose the 18V using the same logic as Andy mentioned - it did not cost much extra, and there might be occasions where the extra power is handy. Observations so far: Battery life in normal use is very good. The packs are obviously built from well matched cells. One battery pack did 150 5 1/8" screws before needing charging. You could do 400 2" to 3" screws with no trouble on a single pack. 25mm spade bit through 8" timber - no trouble. Torque is adequate - for anything! Something will break long before the drill runs out (the screw, the bit, your wrist etc). The gearbox on its high speed is actually pretty fast - feels very much like using a mains drill for speed. The trigger gives good speed control and is progressive. The chuck is very good (made by Rhom) - since the drill has a built in rotation break you can do up the chuck with one hand (in fact that is the only way to do it). It has a nice ratchet feel as it tightens, and does get a good grip. It will also take big shanked bits like hole saws (4" hole saw with 3/4" ply with no trouble at all). It has three settings, screw, drill, and hammer. The screw setting turns on the torque limiter. On screws over 3" you may want to use the drill setting since the torque limiters maximum setting is not that high. The additional side handle is very good and makes a nice change on a cordless tool. It feels very solid and well made - nicely balanced - but it is heavy. All in all I am very pleased with it. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Makita 8433 Combi Cordless 14v or 18v
Lurch wrote in message . ..
On 18 Jun 2004 11:24:51 -0700, (Quddus) strung together this: I can't comment on the 18V but I've got the 14.4V version. It gets some serious abuse from me and all I've had to do to it in 18 months is replace the motor bearings and brushes, costing some £12 or something daft IIRC. The torque is plentiful, the first job I did with mine after i got it was to drill a 25mm hole through a wet 4x4 fence post with an auger bit and it flew through! The specs on your drill say that it can actually drill up to 36mm holes in wood! I wonder if the drill can manage 40-45mm holes with a hole saw though. I would probably use it 4-8 hours a day when on a project so with the three batteries supplied this should not be a problem. I can't believe that parts are that cheap but maybe that is why the original drill is the price it is. Btw where did you buy your parts from or does it need some sort of servicing? Grunff I see from one of your earlier your posts that you opted for the 18v. What swayed you because the difference in price is quite a bit? I went to B&Q just to have a look at the drill and apart from the battery housing at the base they seemed almost identical apart from one weighing more than the other. Both seemed as tough and well made as each other. I particularly liked the chuck which was locked very firmly with only one handed operation and also had some sort of ratcheting system allowing greater tightening of the drill bit. The drill has three modes, Hammer, drill and drive. What is the difference between drill and drive as there is also a gearing control so I am a bit confused here. Is this just a gimmick or something really useful that I have not previously come across? |
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Makita 8433 Combi Cordless 14v or 18v
Quddus wrote:
I wonder if the drill can manage 40-45mm holes with a hole saw though. It can comfortably fo 63mm holes in wood using a hole saw. I even used it to cut a 50mm hole through a 4" thermalite block! (garage wall) Grunff I see from one of your earlier your posts that you opted for the 18v. What swayed you because the difference in price is quite a bit? More torque & more power! My last couple of drills (Erbauer and Bosch) were 18V, and I wanted to get as much torque as poss. The drill has three modes, Hammer, drill and drive. What is the difference between drill and drive This is a really nice feature. Drill bypasses the clutch. So you set your clutch to the desired value, drive your screw, but next time you need to drill a hole you leave the torque where it is and set the drill on 'drill'. as there is also a gearing control so I am a bit confused here. Is this just a gimmick or something really useful that I have not previously come across? The gearing is very, very useful. You get lower speed, but much higher torque. Great for driving 6" screws! -- Grunff |
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Makita 8433 Combi Cordless 14v or 18v
It seems to be taking ages for my replies to be updated on the message
board so it may seem like some information has been repeated. Thank you all for your helpfull input. I'm glad this hasn't turned into a brand issue as I spent quite a bit of time skimming over those hot debates in previous posts. I used the group to research the Makita 2450 and am still grinning from the last time I used it! So I feel that any info gained from current users of a product is much more valuable than the blurb used to sell the products. Nevertheless just for informations sake.... I have found out that the B&D torque and heres a comprison: B&D 18v 280 in/lb 2.1kg Makita 18v 400 in/lb 2.6kg Makita 14v 340 in/lb 2.4kg So it would seem that Richard was right and the volatge drop doesn't really matter when it means upgrading to a trade grade drill infact in this instance you actaully gain 60in/lb more !!! Also the 18V makita would be half a bag of sugar heavier and with a 41% increase in torque I think it will be more than enough for anything I would ever need. I chose the 18V using the same logic as Andy mentioned - it did not cost much extra, and there might be occasions where the extra power is handy. Using the same logic 18v it is ....I think it's wallet out time!!!! Thanks for all the info and help folks. |
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Makita 8433 Combi Cordless 14v or 18v
In message , Quddus
writes Hello All, After purchasing a Makita SDS drill I am very impressed with the quality of the product and it has spurred me to replace my 18v B&D firestorm? cordless. The chuck on the B&D is useless and comes undone easily and the battery life is too short It also whines and is far too loud Having looked at what?s available and reading some of the previous messages I have finally decided on the Makita 8433 series. I have found Lawson HIS to have the cheapest prices so far at £247 for the 18v and £188 (offer runs out on 21st June) for the 14.4v inc vat and delivery. The difference in torque is 45nm and 38nm. Anyone who is lucky enough to own one of these please comment on the differences between the 14.4v and 18v models. 1. How long is the battery life per charge? And is the torque difference a big deal. 2. I don?t know what the torque is on my B&D 18v but it is adequate for the jobs I?ve thrown at it. I've also had a Performance power 14v and that did not have enough torque for some jobs I gave it to do. Therefore I?m wondering whether I need to go for the 18v Makita instead of the 14.4v. If anyone has bought one recently then please comment on what persuaded you between the 18v/14v/12v models (apart from the price) I have the 18v. Recently did a job where we spent all day chiselling out 6" x 5" x 4" pockets in a 16" x 12" oak beam. Marked out the pockets drilled just inside the line with a 1/2" auger bit and chiselled out with a wood chisel fitted in a Dewalt 2kg sds. Makita didn't even slow down and 3 batteries lasted all day. I can't believe anyone could complain about them. Anyone got a 712 dewalt scms? Mine arrives soon.......... P.S. Dewalt 2kg sds. I like Makita and I have tried to kill the dewalt in order to smugly return it to my BM and replace it with a Makita. But it's doing fine -- mark |
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Makita 8433 Combi Cordless 14v or 18v
mark wrote in message ...
I have the 18v. Recently did a job where we spent all day chiselling out 6" x 5" x 4" pockets in a 16" x 12" oak beam. Marked out the pockets drilled just inside the line with a 1/2" auger bit and chiselled out with a wood chisel fitted in a Dewalt 2kg sds. Makita didn't even slow down and 3 batteries lasted all day. I can't believe anyone could complain about them. Anyone got a 712 dewalt scms? Mine arrives soon.......... P.S. Dewalt 2kg sds. I like Makita and I have tried to kill the dewalt in order to smugly return it to my BM and replace it with a Makita. But it's doing fine I am also guilty of trying to wear out cirtain machines/bits so I can justify getting something else but realised I was only hurting my own wallet! I therefore now just sell goods that I am no longer happy with to collegues or on Ebay and thus can justify the purchase of my lovely new beast!!!! I've just ordered fom lawson and just can't wait....... |
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