If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which voted
Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first to start
moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed it.

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On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:09:24 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which voted
Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first to start
moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed it.

Is the moaning just as loud from those fishermen who sold their quotas to
foreign firms?

In article ,
Scion wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:09:24 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which voted
Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first to start
moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed it.

Is the moaning just as loud from those fishermen who sold their quotas to
foreign firms?

Just read a minister saying the answer was for us to eat more fishery
products. Now I know what they really meant by getting back control.
Telling us what we have to eat.

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On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 2:47:35 PM UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Scion wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:09:24 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which voted
Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first to start
moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed it.

Is the moaning just as loud from those fishermen who sold their quotas to
foreign firms?
Just read a minister saying the answer was for us to eat more fishery
products. Now I know what they really meant by getting back control.
Telling us what we have to eat.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.


The whole fishing row was dreamt up as a red herring. Fishing makes no major financial contribution to the country. Apparently a major portion of fishing caught by British boats goes to France. Storm in a tea cup. Did an excellent job of diverting attention to the whole debacle

On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 07:49:39 -0800, fred wrote:

On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 2:47:35 PM UTC, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article ,
Scion wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:09:24 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which
voted Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first
to start moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed
it.

Is the moaning just as loud from those fishermen who sold their
quotas to foreign firms?
Just read a minister saying the answer was for us to eat more fishery
products. Now I know what they really meant by getting back control.
Telling us what we have to eat.

--
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London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound.


The whole fishing row was dreamt up as a red herring. Fishing makes no
major financial contribution to the country. Apparently a major portion
of fishing caught by British boats goes to France. Storm in a tea cup.
Did an excellent job of diverting attention to the whole debacle

*went* to France.



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In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:09:24 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which voted
Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first to start
moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed it.

Since everyone that voted for Brexit knew exactly what they were voting
for, I've very little interest in hearing whinges from people that voted
for Brexit over what they got.

If you remember the discussions on here, I'd say very few indeed knew what
they were voting for. But believed the lies from BoJo, Farage and perhaps
more so the majority of written media.

I have a lot of interest and sympathy for people who knew what a car
crash it would be and did everything they could legally (that was their
mistake of course) to prevent it.

The irony being, I like mackerel.

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On 15/01/2021 14:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Scion wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:09:24 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which voted
Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first to start
moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed it.

Is the moaning just as loud from those fishermen who sold their quotas to
foreign firms?

Just read a minister saying the answer was for us to eat more fishery
products. Now I know what they really meant by getting back control.
Telling us what we have to eat.


Is that the Fisheries Minister who was too busy to read the Brexit Deal
because she was organising a nativity trail?

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On 15/01/2021 19:03, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:09:24 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which voted
Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first to start
moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed it.

If you're not interested in fish, here's how meat exports are also ****ed
up

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55680315

quote
UK meat exporters have claimed post-Brexit customs systems are "not fit
for purpose", with goods delayed for hours, sometimes days, at the border.

The British Meat Processor Association said even experienced exporters
were struggling with the system.

It said meat exports to the EU were 25% of normal levels for this time of
year.
endquote

Truly Boris promise - **** Business - over delivered if anything.

Why do you hate Britain, Jethro?


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...
On 15/01/2021 19:03, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:09:24 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which voted
Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first to start
moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed it.

If you're not interested in fish, here's how meat exports are also ****ed
up

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55680315

quote
UK meat exporters have claimed post-Brexit customs systems are "not fit
for purpose", with goods delayed for hours, sometimes days, at the
border.

The British Meat Processor Association said even experienced exporters
were struggling with the system.

It said meat exports to the EU were 25% of normal levels for this time of
year.
endquote

Truly Boris promise - **** Business - over delivered if anything.

Why do you hate Britain, Jethro?

With a name like that he can't be a Brit.

Presumably a reverse Ghisliane Maxwell,
reverse in two senses.

On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 08:15:23 +1100, Fred, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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Fred wrote:


Truly Boris promise - **** Business - over delivered if anything.

Why do you hate Britain, Jethro?

With a name like that he can't be a Brit.

Presumably a reverse Ghisliane Maxwell,
reverse in two senses.



Are you insinuating that Jethro isnt a British name, two examples
one old,


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jethro...(agriculturist)

one more recent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jethro_(comedian)

Not as common in both senses of the word as Fred a lot of whom are
Americans including a well know slightly stupid cartoon character with the
surname Flintstone, perhaps your parents had seen it and were inspired when
choosing your name.

GH

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...

Fred wrote:


Truly Boris promise - **** Business - over delivered if anything.

Why do you hate Britain, Jethro?

With a name like that he can't be a Brit.

Presumably a reverse Ghisliane Maxwell,
reverse in two senses.



Are you insinuating that Jethro isnt a British name, two examples
one old,


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jethro...(agriculturist)

one more recent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jethro_(comedian)

Not as common in both senses of the word as Fred a lot of whom are
Americans including a well know slightly stupid cartoon character with
the
surname Flintstone, perhaps your parents had seen it and were inspired
when
choosing your name.

It was a joke, Joyce. And I'm not a pom.

In article ,
nightjar wrote:
On 15/01/2021 14:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Scion wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:09:24 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which
voted Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first
to start moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed
it.

Is the moaning just as loud from those fishermen who sold their
quotas to foreign firms?

Just read a minister saying the answer was for us to eat more fishery
products. Now I know what they really meant by getting back control.
Telling us what we have to eat.


Is that the Fisheries Minister who was too busy to read the Brexit Deal
because she was organising a nativity trail?

Yup. From the Aberdeen Evening Express. An area of the country where
fishing is a large part of the economy.

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In article ,
Marland wrote:
Fred wrote:


Truly Boris promise - **** Business - over delivered if anything.

Why do you hate Britain, Jethro?

With a name like that he can't be a Brit.

Presumably a reverse Ghisliane Maxwell,
reverse in two senses.



Are you insinuating that Jethro isn‘t a British name, two examples
one old,


Of course it's English. Was in the Archers. ;-) Not sure about Boris,
though.

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On 15/01/2021 16:11, Jethro_uk wrote:

Harrods turnover is bigger than fishing.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/f...tics-published

Says, "In 2019, the UK imported 721 thousand tonnes of sea fish, with a
value of £3,457 million. It exported 452 thousand tonnes with a value of
£2,004 million."

Now what is Harrod's turnover? This might give a clue:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ited-turnover/

Anyone would think you're a fanatical remainer? Could you dial it down
and refrain from telling Remain lies?

On 15/01/2021 17:09, nightjar wrote:
On 15/01/2021 14:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Scion wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:09:24 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which voted
Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first to start
moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed it.

Is the moaning just as loud from those fishermen who sold their
quotas to
foreign firms?

Just read a minister saying the answer was for us to eat more fishery
products. Now I know what they really meant by getting back control.
Telling us what we have to eat.


Is that the Fisheries Minister who was too busy to read the Brexit Deal
because she was organising a nativity trail?

She seems to have a balanced work - life ethic. If I was PM I wouldn't
expect her read the document on Christmas Eve either, nor would I expect
a Civil Servant to brief her on the same day.

On 15/01/2021 17:19, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 16:57:43 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
[quoted text muted]

[quoted text muted]

[quoted text muted]

If you remember the discussions on here, I'd say very few indeed knew
what they were voting for.

I remember *very* clearly. Every single exchange I had with a Brexiteer
involved them telling me (a) I was wrong, and (b) they knew exactly what
they had voted for.

Even in the last days of 2020, no one suggested that Boris was not
delivering what was promised. Well, no one who voted for Brexit. I voted
against and have maintained since 2016 that eBay has a better reputation
for delivering goods as described than what has been served up as Brexit.

Still Brexiteers are free to whinge to the BBC as much as they like now.
Done deal and all that.

And the Remain lies still keep coming. What did you say about fisheries
and Harrods?

All the whingeing I see here is from Remainers. Oh, and Brexiters
whingeing about Remainers whingeing about their perceived loss.

On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 11:21:23 +1100, Fred, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Marland wrote:
Fred wrote:


Truly Boris promise - **** Business - over delivered if anything.

Why do you hate Britain, Jethro?

With a name like that he can't be a Brit.

Presumably a reverse Ghisliane Maxwell,
reverse in two senses.



Are you insinuating that Jethro isn‘t a British name, two examples
one old,


Of course it's English. Was in the Archers. ;-) Not sure about Boris,
though.

Jethro Tull was an English agriculturslist credited with inventing the seed
drill and starting the agricultural revolution. borm in 1674. His father
was also 'Jethro', so the name's been around for some time.

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On 16/01/2021 01:38, Fredxx wrote:
On 15/01/2021 17:09, nightjar wrote:
On 15/01/2021 14:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Scion wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:09:24 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which
voted
Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first to start
moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed it.

Is the moaning just as loud from those fishermen who sold their
quotas to
foreign firms?

Just read a minister saying the answer was for us to eat more fishery
products. Now I know what they really meant by getting back control.
Telling us what we have to eat.


Is that the Fisheries Minister who was too busy to read the Brexit
Deal because she was organising a nativity trail?

She seems to have a balanced work - life ethic. If I was PM I wouldn't
expect her read the document on Christmas Eve either, nor would I expect
a Civil Servant to brief her on the same day.

If he were not going to expect that, he should not have left so little
time between getting a deal and ending the transition period. As it was,
his obstinacy in sticking to a rigid timetable put an obligation on his
Ministers to check the deal in detail as soon as they got it.


--
Colin Bignell

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
All the whingeing I see here is from Remainers. Oh, and Brexiters
whingeing about Remainers whingeing about their perceived loss.


Err, this thread is about Brexiteers whinging about a real loss to them.

But carry on as you started. Head in the sand. All of Farage's predictions
are true.

BTW, hope all those in industry who voted Brexit are delighted the EU
employment laws are to be rescinded. About time they did what they were
told and work any hours their boss wants. Breaks are for wimps.

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In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 15/01/2021 17:09, nightjar wrote:
On 15/01/2021 14:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Scion wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:09:24 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which voted
Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first to start
moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed it.

Is the moaning just as loud from those fishermen who sold their
quotas to
foreign firms?

Just read a minister saying the answer was for us to eat more fishery
products. Now I know what they really meant by getting back control.
Telling us what we have to eat.


Is that the Fisheries Minister who was too busy to read the Brexit Deal
because she was organising a nativity trail?

She seems to have a balanced work - life ethic. If I was PM I wouldn't
expect her read the document on Christmas Eve either, nor would I expect
a Civil Servant to brief her on the same day.

Perhaps you'd like that extended to every single worker in the country
(where possible)? No? Just why would that be?

Of course some poor sod in a shop forced to work Xmas eve doesn't matter.

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On 16/01/2021 11:37, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 15/01/2021 17:09, nightjar wrote:
On 15/01/2021 14:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Scion wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:09:24 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which voted
Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first to start
moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed it.

Is the moaning just as loud from those fishermen who sold their
quotas to
foreign firms?

Just read a minister saying the answer was for us to eat more fishery
products. Now I know what they really meant by getting back control.
Telling us what we have to eat.


Is that the Fisheries Minister who was too busy to read the Brexit Deal
because she was organising a nativity trail?

She seems to have a balanced work - life ethic. If I was PM I wouldn't
expect her read the document on Christmas Eve either, nor would I expect
a Civil Servant to brief her on the same day.

Perhaps you'd like that extended to every single worker in the country
(where possible)? No? Just why would that be?

Of course some poor sod in a shop forced to work Xmas eve doesn't matter.

That is their choice. I would say if you really don't want to work
Christmas Eve you really ought to have chosen an alternative career.
There is always a choice.

Thankfully my line of work is I can generally choose my days off.

I also wonder if her opinion would have counted for much. If she had
said no, do you really think that would have changed the whole deal? In
reality I would expect her to already have put forward the most
important salient points and let those with the bigger picture get on
with it.

If she had read the deal, do you think the result would now be different?

If she had rang Boris and said 'no' would he have taken much notice? I
sincerely doubt it. As others have said fisheries are a small portion of
the UK economy, but still much larger than Harrod's turnover.

On 16/01/2021 11:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
All the whingeing I see here is from Remainers. Oh, and Brexiters
whingeing about Remainers whingeing about their perceived loss.


Err, this thread is about Brexiteers whinging about a real loss to them.

But carry on as you started. Head in the sand. All of Farage's predictions
are true.

BTW, hope all those in industry who voted Brexit are delighted the EU
employment laws are to be rescinded. About time they did what they were
told and work any hours their boss wants. Breaks are for wimps.

Sounds good to me, I have no workers' rights. I doubt you do either
albeit for different reasons.

The most booming economy is where you can hire labour without subsequent
costs of shrinking your workforce if conditions demand/change.

Fredxx wrote:

Of course some poor sod in a shop forced to work Xmas eve doesn't matter.

That is their choice. I would say if you really don't want to work
Christmas Eve you really ought to have chosen an alternative career.
There is always a choice.

It's only in the last few decades that Christmas Eve has been such a
'not working day'. When I was young Christmas Eve was just a normal
working day, if you were lucky, the boss told you to go home a couple
of hours early.

--
Chris Green
·

On 15/01/2021 16:04, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 07:49:39 -0800, fred wrote:

On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 2:47:35 PM UTC, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article ,
Scion wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:09:24 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which
voted Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first
to start moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed
it.

Is the moaning just as loud from those fishermen who sold their
quotas to foreign firms?
Just read a minister saying the answer was for us to eat more fishery
products. Now I know what they really meant by getting back control.
Telling us what we have to eat.

--
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London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound.


The whole fishing row was dreamt up as a red herring. Fishing makes no
major financial contribution to the country. Apparently a major portion
of fishing caught by British boats goes to France. Storm in a tea cup.
Did an excellent job of diverting attention to the whole debacle

*went* to France.



French boats are still allowed to catch more fish in UK waters than
UK inshore boats can now, and can for another few years.

Naturally the French boats take their catch back to Boulogne and other
places.

On 16/01/2021 11:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


BTW, hope all those in industry who voted Brexit are delighted the EU
employment laws are to be rescinded. About time they did what they were
told and work any hours their boss wants. Breaks are for wimps.


But in a few years time wouldn't the Labour Government reverse any
erosion of workers rights in much the same way as they have done in the
past?

They wouldn't even need prior approval from the EU!

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On 16/01/2021 14:05, alan_m wrote:
On 16/01/2021 11:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


BTW, hope all those in industry who voted Brexit are delighted the EU
employment laws are to be rescinded. About time they did what they were
told and work any hours their boss wants. Breaks are for wimps.


But in a few years time wouldn't the Labour Government reverse any
erosion of workers rights in much the same way as they have done in the
past?
Oh good grief. Labour doesn't 'restore workers rights'. It raises the
cost of labour driving out small employers. Thats the whole POINT of
health and safety and all this social legislation,. To make little
companies unable to compete with inefficient huge ones.


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urge to rule it.€�
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On 16 Jan 2021 at 14:05:27 GMT, "alan_m" wrote:

On 16/01/2021 11:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


BTW, hope all those in industry who voted Brexit are delighted the EU
employment laws are to be rescinded. About time they did what they were
told and work any hours their boss wants. Breaks are for wimps.


But in a few years time wouldn't the Labour Government reverse any
erosion of workers rights in much the same way as they have done in the
past?

They wouldn't even need prior approval from the EU!

Would you like to mention any significant way in which Labour have done that
in the last fifty years? Because I can' think of one. It is often the
subject of awful warnings from the Tory press, but it doesn't seem to have
happened in reality.

--
Roger Hayter

On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 13:28:45 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

I also wonder if her opinion would have counted for much. If she had
said no, do you really think that would have changed the whole deal? In
reality I would expect her to already have put forward the most
important salient points and let those with the bigger picture get on
with it.

If she had read the deal, do you think the result would now be
different?

Of course not. She's a thick yes-person, like virtually all of the
government. They were chosen for that.



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In article ,
Chris Green wrote:
Fredxx wrote:

Of course some poor sod in a shop forced to work Xmas eve doesn't
matter.

That is their choice. I would say if you really don't want to work
Christmas Eve you really ought to have chosen an alternative career.
There is always a choice.

It's only in the last few decades that Christmas Eve has been such a
'not working day'. When I was young Christmas Eve was just a normal
working day, if you were lucky, the boss told you to go home a couple
of hours early.

and then there is "Working on Christmas Day" which I had to do on quite a
few occassions.

--
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On 16/01/2021 16:09, charles wrote:
In article ,
Chris Green wrote:
Fredxx wrote:

Of course some poor sod in a shop forced to work Xmas eve doesn't
matter.

That is their choice. I would say if you really don't want to work
Christmas Eve you really ought to have chosen an alternative career.
There is always a choice.

It's only in the last few decades that Christmas Eve has been such a
'not working day'. When I was young Christmas Eve was just a normal
working day, if you were lucky, the boss told you to go home a couple
of hours early.

and then there is "Working on Christmas Day" which I had to do on quite a
few occassions.

That was common in Scotland when I was young. Hogmanay was always a
bigger celebration, but Xmas was a day for church.

On 16/01/2021 13:28, Fredxx wrote:
On 16/01/2021 11:37, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
....
Perhaps you'd like that extended to every single worker in the country
(where possible)? No? Just why would that be?

Of course some poor sod in a shop forced to work Xmas eve doesn't matter.

That is their choice. I would say if you really don't want to work
Christmas Eve you really ought to have chosen an alternative career.
There is always a choice....

Like not accepting a Ministerial post.

....
If she had read the deal, do you think the result would now be different?

If she had rang Boris and said 'no' would he have taken much notice? I
sincerely doubt it.

But she would be able to tell the people whose interests she is supposed
to be looking out for that she did at least raise objections, not that
she was too busy to check.

As others have said fisheries are a small portion of
the UK economy, but still much larger than Harrod's turnover.

The poor (but still most profitable in the EU, with the second largest
tonnage of ships) fishing industry has had a disproportionate political
importance since the referendum.



--
Colin Bignell

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Marland wrote:
Fred wrote:


Truly Boris promise - **** Business - over delivered if anything.

Why do you hate Britain, Jethro?

With a name like that he can't be a Brit.

Presumably a reverse Ghisliane Maxwell,
reverse in two senses.



Are you insinuating that Jethro isn't a British name, two examples
one old,


Of course it's English. Was in the Archers. ;-) Not sure about Boris,
though.

Jethro Tull was an English agriculturslist credited with inventing the
seed
drill and starting the agricultural revolution. borm in 1674. His father
was also 'Jethro', so the name's been around for some time.

Yes and that's clearly how it made it to the USA, but
is very rarely seen in the UK today, mostly with yanks.
https://www.ukbabynames.com/boys/jethro

Just 13 last year and I bet most of those came from yank TV shows and
movies.

"nightjar" wrote in message
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On 16/01/2021 01:38, Fredxx wrote:
On 15/01/2021 17:09, nightjar wrote:
On 15/01/2021 14:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Scion wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:09:24 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If anyone had told me all those years ago that the industry which
voted
Brexit perhaps more than any other would be one of the first to start
moaning when it was 'done' I'm not sure I'd have believed it.

Is the moaning just as loud from those fishermen who sold their quotas
to
foreign firms?

Just read a minister saying the answer was for us to eat more fishery
products. Now I know what they really meant by getting back control.
Telling us what we have to eat.


Is that the Fisheries Minister who was too busy to read the Brexit Deal
because she was organising a nativity trail?

She seems to have a balanced work - life ethic. If I was PM I wouldn't
expect her read the document on Christmas Eve either, nor would I expect
a Civil Servant to brief her on the same day.

If he were not going to expect that, he should not have left so little
time between getting a deal and ending the transition period.

He left a full year and Barnier just stonewalled for that year.

As it was, his obstinacy in sticking to a rigid timetable

Because it was obvious that Barnier just wanted
to let it drag on forever. It has already been years.

put an obligation on his Ministers to check the deal in detail as soon as
they got it.

Bull**** when it was obvious that it was that or WTO rules.

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"Chris Green" wrote in message
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Fredxx wrote:

Of course some poor sod in a shop forced to work Xmas eve doesn't
matter.

That is their choice. I would say if you really don't want to work
Christmas Eve you really ought to have chosen an alternative career.
There is always a choice.

It's only in the last few decades that Christmas Eve has been
such a 'not working day'. When I was young Christmas Eve
was just a normal working day, if you were lucky, the boss
told you to go home a couple of hours early.

In mine they mostly got ****ed at work.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 16/01/2021 14:05, alan_m wrote:
On 16/01/2021 11:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


BTW, hope all those in industry who voted Brexit are delighted the EU
employment laws are to be rescinded. About time they did what they were
told and work any hours their boss wants. Breaks are for wimps.


But in a few years time wouldn't the Labour Government reverse any
erosion of workers rights in much the same way as they have done in the
past?

Oh good grief. Labour doesn't 'restore workers rights'. It raises the cost
of labour driving out small employers. Thats the whole POINT of health and
safety and all this social legislation,. To make little companies unable
to compete with inefficient huge ones.

And yet small business still thrives most obviously with
tradesmen and car mechanics and people like that. In
spades with those who trade on ebay etc.

"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
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On 16 Jan 2021 at 14:05:27 GMT, "alan_m" wrote:

On 16/01/2021 11:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


BTW, hope all those in industry who voted Brexit are delighted the EU
employment laws are to be rescinded. About time they did what they were
told and work any hours their boss wants. Breaks are for wimps.


But in a few years time wouldn't the Labour Government reverse any
erosion of workers rights in much the same way as they have done in the
past?

They wouldn't even need prior approval from the EU!

Would you like to mention any significant way in which Labour have done
that in the last fifty years? Because I can' think of one.

Thats because the most recent labour govts werent real labour govts.

It is often the subject of awful warnings from the Tory press, but it
doesn't seem to have happened in reality.