I have an outside workshop/office that I ran some cat5 cable to some
years ago. This link is now playing up a bit - intermittent - and I have
been looking at replacing the cable, which I know has become a bit
fragile in places - a bit of a tedious job.

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

On 29/11/2020 13:04, Farmer Giles wrote:
I have an outside workshop/office that I ran some cat5 cable to some
years ago. This link is now playing up a bit - intermittent - and I have
been looking at replacing the cable, which I know has become a bit
fragile in places - a bit of a tedious job.

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?
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On 29/11/2020 13:04, Farmer Giles wrote:
I have an outside workshop/office that I ran some cat5 cable to some
years ago. This link is now playing up a bit - intermittent - and I have
been looking at replacing the cable, which I know has become a bit
fragile in places - a bit of a tedious job.

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Their use was deprecated, particularly by radio hams because of the
interference they chuck out.

I had limited success with them in the past (although oddly enough, when
my wifi extender failed the other day an old Powerline unit gave me a
perfectly adequate connection from my latest FTTC box until I got a
replacement).

How far is it to the workshop? Is there anything like a line of sight
through a window or not too substantial wall to the workshop?

A standard Wifi range extender might be all you need. Assuming your
workshop has its own consumer unit, a "powerline" signal has to get
through a bit more hardware than it it is just on the same ring-main.

I believe you can set up more dedicated links with a decent range,
depending on how much you want to spend.

You might want to set up better security, if there are lots of people
who might be in range.

On 29/11/2020 13:04, Farmer Giles wrote:
I have an outside workshop/office that I ran some cat5 cable to some
years ago. This link is now playing up a bit - intermittent - and I have
been looking at replacing the cable, which I know has become a bit
fragile in places - a bit of a tedious job.

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Buy a pair and see if they will do what you want. Linksys ones have
worked for me and they even work across two different MCBs - the main
house ring main and the more recent extension ring main. That really
isn't guaranteed though. Mine are the previous generation of these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TL-PA4010KI...dp/B01BECPIMC/

Claimed maximum range is 300m.

Radio hams don't like them but apart from that they work pretty well.

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Giles writes
I have an outside workshop/office that I ran some cat5 cable to some
years ago. This link is now playing up a bit - intermittent - and I
have been looking at replacing the cable, which I know has become a bit
fragile in places - a bit of a tedious job.

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

I was using them.

Amongst other things, I had a Raspberry Pi connected up at one end,
which (apart from anything else) was pinging my router every minute, and
recording the time. It was regularly (most days) not getting through to
the router, and the when it did, the times were not good. When I was
able to run Cat 5 into a suitable location, I stopped getting lost
connections, and the average ping time fell to about 10% of what it had
been.

So, of you need a reliable and fast connection, fix your Cat 5.

Adrian
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newshound wrote:

Farmer Giles wrote:

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Their use was deprecated, particularly by radio hams because of the
interference they chuck out.

They may be disliked, but that doesn't amount to them being deprecated.

That said they don't seem uber-reliable, needing to be powered-off and
on again too often, replacing the cable would be better.

Farmer Giles wrote:
I have an outside workshop/office that I ran some cat5 cable to some
years ago. This link is now playing up a bit - intermittent - and I have
been looking at replacing the cable, which I know has become a bit
fragile in places - a bit of a tedious job.

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

I found that for anything more than 'within a house' sort of distances
networking over the mains wiring was really not very useful.

We have a house with a detached garage about 20 yards away and a
cabin/office a similar sort of distance (from the garage). Our mains
incomer is actually in the garage. I had an overhead UTP cable from
house to garage which connected to (among other things) a backup
system in the garage. When it finally died a few months ago (after
working at gigabit speeds for many years) I tried networking over
mains from house to garage. It did work, just, but was only capable
of around 1MB/s (i.e. 10Mb/s) which for backups and such was marginal.

As I was also aiming to provide a connection to the cabin which would
be better than the existing WiFi (not *that* bad because it was
'outside') I bit the bullet and buried some ducts with UTP cable.

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On 29/11/2020 14:09:36, Andy Burns wrote:
newshound wrote:

Farmer Giles wrote:

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Their use was deprecated, particularly by radio hams because of the
interference they chuck out.

They may be disliked, but that doesn't amount to them being deprecated.

That said they don't seem uber-reliable, needing to be powered-off and
on again too often,

I would be surprised if that's a common feature of all makes and models.

replacing the cable would be better.

Agreed, but unless can be changed by a simple 'pull' of changing old
with new isn't always a trivial process.

Martin Brown wrote:
On 29/11/2020 13:04, Farmer Giles wrote:
I have an outside workshop/office that I ran some cat5 cable to some
years ago. This link is now playing up a bit - intermittent - and I have
been looking at replacing the cable, which I know has become a bit
fragile in places - a bit of a tedious job.

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Buy a pair and see if they will do what you want. Linksys ones have
worked for me and they even work across two different MCBs - the main
house ring main and the more recent extension ring main. That really
isn't guaranteed though. Mine are the previous generation of these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TL-PA4010KI...dp/B01BECPIMC/

Claimed maximum range is 300m.

300 metres! They must be joking.

.... and it says 'up to 600Mb/s but the interface is only a 10/100Mb/s
port so I don't really see how that works.

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In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
newshound wrote:

Farmer Giles wrote:

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Their use was deprecated, particularly by radio hams because of the
interference they chuck out.

They may be disliked, but that doesn't amount to them being deprecated.

That said they don't seem uber-reliable, needing to be powered-off and
on again too often, replacing the cable would be better.

my Devolo kit seems pretty reliable. A re-boot every 6 months or so might
be needed.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Thanks to everyone for the very useful replies.

I'm persuaded to go for cable replacement. It's probably about 25 metres
in total, a real pain to route but I think the better option overall.

On 29/11/2020 13:04, Farmer Giles wrote:
I have an outside workshop/office that I ran some cat5 cable to some
years ago. This link is now playing up a bit - intermittent - and I have
been looking at replacing the cable, which I know has become a bit
fragile in places - a bit of a tedious job.

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Frankly it doesn't work

speed is vile, and reliability is poor. If possible sort the cat 5 out
or use optical link or wifi dishes



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"Think about Gay Marriage."

On 29/11/2020 14:09, Andy Burns wrote:
newshound wrote:

Farmer Giles wrote:

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Their use was deprecated, particularly by radio hams because of the
interference they chuck out.

They may be disliked, but that doesn't amount to them being deprecated.

That said they don't seem uber-reliable, needing to be powered-off and
on again too often, replacing the cable would be better.

+1001

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"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

On 29/11/2020 15:06, Farmer Giles wrote:

Thanks to everyone for the very useful replies.

I'm persuaded to go for cable replacement. It's probably about 25 metres
in total, a real pain to route but I think the better option overall.

When I get a round tuit my mains ethernet bridge will be replaced by CAT5...

--
A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on
its shoes.

On 29/11/2020 15:13:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/11/2020 13:04, Farmer Giles wrote:
I have an outside workshop/office that I ran some cat5 cable to some
years ago. This link is now playing up a bit - intermittent - and I
have been looking at replacing the cable, which I know has become a
bit fragile in places - a bit of a tedious job.

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Frankly it doesn't work

speed is vile, and reliability is poor. If possible sort the cat 5 out
or use optical link or wifi dishes

I would have thought Yagis would be more suitable, smaller, discrete and
less susceptible to wind as well as cheaper?

On 29/11/2020 15:06, Farmer Giles wrote:

Thanks to everyone for the very useful replies.

I'm persuaded to go for cable replacement. It's probably about 25 metres
in total, a real pain to route but I think the better option overall.

If the cable is underground it will be easier to replace in the future
if you have it inside a pipe such as a blue plastic water pipe. Wrong
colour of course but easy to buy.


--
Michael Chare

On 29/11/2020 15:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/11/2020 13:04, Farmer Giles wrote:
I have an outside workshop/office that I ran some cat5 cable to some
years ago. This link is now playing up a bit - intermittent - and I
have been looking at replacing the cable, which I know has become a
bit fragile in places - a bit of a tedious job.

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Frankly it doesn't work

speed is vile, and reliability is poor. If possible sort the cat 5 out
or use optical link or wifi dishes

High gain wifi antenna at the remote end is a possibility. I do that to
make my home internet accessible from the village hall (or at least I
did until they got their own connection). Solwise sell suitable antennas
and Morgan have Wifi USB dongles with socketed antennas.

FWIW apart from a six monthly reboot (which is only necessary if the
mains stays up that long here) I find mains internet fine for anything
other than high bandwidth streaming. Certainly well up to internet
browsing and printing across the network.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Michael Chare wrote:
On 29/11/2020 15:06, Farmer Giles wrote:

Thanks to everyone for the very useful replies.

I'm persuaded to go for cable replacement. It's probably about 25 metres
in total, a real pain to route but I think the better option overall.

If the cable is underground it will be easier to replace in the future
if you have it inside a pipe such as a blue plastic water pipe. Wrong
colour of course but easy to buy.

That's what mine is in, MDPE water pipe. What do you mean by wrong
colour - blue is underground, black is above ground. ... or did you
just mean it won't have water in it?

--
Chris Green
·

On 29/11/2020 15:48, Fredxx wrote:
On 29/11/2020 15:13:27, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/11/2020 13:04, Farmer Giles wrote:
I have an outside workshop/office that I ran some cat5 cable to some
years ago. This link is now playing up a bit - intermittent - and I
have been looking at replacing the cable, which I know has become a
bit fragile in places - a bit of a tedious job.

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Frankly it doesn't work

speed is vile, and reliability is poor. If possible sort the cat 5 out
or use optical link or wifi dishes

I would have thought Yagis would be more suitable, smaller, discrete and
less susceptible to wind as well as cheaper?

Flat panel phased array are the typical offering. eg

https://www.solwise.co.uk/wireless-o...-2450-14pn.htm

I do use yagis on my Mifi pebble to get enough signal for full speed 3G
connection though. Pointing is rather tetchy with GHz band yagis.

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Martin Brown

On 29/11/2020 15:06, Farmer Giles wrote:

Thanks to everyone for the very useful replies.

I'm persuaded to go for cable replacement. It's probably about 25 metres
in total, a real pain to route but I think the better option overall.

If you have or can get compatible switches on either side (supporting
GBIC/SFP pluggable modules), it might be worth costing up fibre?

- 30m of OM2 LC-LC cable, £15
- two SFP transceivers, £5 each, used eBay

Good isolation from lightning strikes.

--
Adrian C

On 29/11/2020 15:06, Farmer Giles wrote:

Thanks to everyone for the very useful replies.

I'm persuaded to go for cable replacement. It's probably about 25 metres
in total, a real pain to route but I think the better option overall.
ARe you sure it is the cable itself rather than the terminations ?

On 29/11/2020 15:06, Farmer Giles wrote:

Thanks to everyone for the very useful replies.

I'm persuaded to go for cable replacement. It's probably about 25 metres
in total, a real pain to route but I think the better option overall.
Another thought:
you should have 2 spare twisted pairs in the cable , try those !

On 29/11/2020 15:53, Michael Chare wrote:
On 29/11/2020 15:06, Farmer Giles wrote:

Thanks to everyone for the very useful replies.

I'm persuaded to go for cable replacement. It's probably about 25
metres in total, a real pain to route but I think the better option
overall.

If the cable is underground it will be easier to replace in the future
if you have it inside a pipe such as a blue plastic water pipe. Wrong
colour of course but easy to buy.



If it was underground, how has it become 'fragile' ?.

On 29/11/2020 13:04, Farmer Giles wrote:

I have an outside workshop/office that I ran some cat5 cable to some
years ago. This link is now playing up a bit - intermittent - and I have
been looking at replacing the cable, which I know has become a bit
fragile in places - a bit of a tedious job.

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Its how I run data to my workshop...

With homeplug in general, when it works, it works well and needs no
setting up - plug and go. Most units seem to be pretty reliable - I have
not had any lockups or needed to reset of re-pair them, although some
people have more difficulty.

However it has limitations. You will get the fastest speeds when the two
devices share the same circuit. They will also work between circuits,
but performance drops off.

On my setup I am running through three CUs, and a pile of RCDs and MCBs.
The range is probably only 30m:

Home plug device - MCB - RCD - RCD - Fuse - RCD -MCB - Home plug
device

But that is enough to drop the data rate to no more than about 5 Mbps.
On simpler circuit arrangements you might get 20+ times that.

Alternatively, you could look at wireless bridge options. That can work
well for longer ranges with the right kit.


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On 29/11/2020 17:46, Robert wrote:
On 29/11/2020 15:06, Farmer Giles wrote:

Thanks to everyone for the very useful replies.

I'm persuaded to go for cable replacement. It's probably about 25
metres in total, a real pain to route but I think the better option
overall.
Another thought:
you should have 2 spare twisted pairs in the cable , try those !

+1


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On 29/11/2020 15:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/11/2020 13:04, Farmer Giles wrote:
I have an outside workshop/office that I ran some cat5 cable to some
years ago. This link is now playing up a bit - intermittent - and I
have been looking at replacing the cable, which I know has become a
bit fragile in places - a bit of a tedious job.

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Frankly it doesn't work

That has not been my experience at all. Although I will concede I have
only done a few dozen installs with them.

I found them particularly helpful for the backhaul connections to wifi
access points. (in fact some have the WAPs built in).

Also good for drop shipping to non techy users who suddenly have found
they need to get data to their home office, or that the new smart TV
won't stream reliably in the bedroom. Needless to say I used loads of
them at the start of lockdown!




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On 29/11/2020 14:09, Andy Burns wrote:
newshound wrote:

Farmer Giles wrote:

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Their use was deprecated, particularly by radio hams because of the
interference they chuck out.

They may be disliked, but that doesn't amount to them being deprecated.


verb (used with object), dep·re·cat·ed, dep·re·cat·ing. to express
earnest disapproval of. to urge reasons against; protest against (a
scheme, purpose, etc.).

On 29/11/2020 17:46:41, Robert wrote:
On 29/11/2020 15:06, Farmer Giles wrote:

Thanks to everyone for the very useful replies.

I'm persuaded to go for cable replacement. It's probably about 25
metres in total, a real pain to route but I think the better option
overall.
Another thought:
you should have 2 spare twisted pairs in the cable , try those !

That does rather depend on whether the OP is using Gigabit devices.

Otherwise I would agree it would be a smart move to understand which
pairs have connectivity.

There are enough of means to check, for example:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wire-Cabl...r/402514998314

If you live within half a mile of a short wave listener or ham, don't
bother. These are inventions of the devil. Mains wiring is inherently loss
prone so huge signals are shove back and forth and if you have a radio
around you will first hear the ticking, not unlike the tickover of a car,
and then the screeching sounds as data flows over the wiring. They leak the
signal merely because the signals seem to be between about 4Mhz and 29Mhz
and with tiny notches for the ham bands but NOT for the shortwave broadcast
bands, which makes listening very painful indeed. They breach the Wireless
Telegraphy act, but blind eyes abound due to the congestion in wifi and
nobody wanting to use cables any more.
Brian

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I have an outside workshop/office that I ran some cat5 cable to some years
ago. This link is now playing up a bit - intermittent - and I have been
looking at replacing the cable, which I know has become a bit fragile in
places - a bit of a tedious job.

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Yes indeed and faster.
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newshound wrote:

Farmer Giles wrote:

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Their use was deprecated, particularly by radio hams because of the
interference they chuck out.

They may be disliked, but that doesn't amount to them being deprecated.

That said they don't seem uber-reliable, needing to be powered-off and on
again too often, replacing the cable would be better.

I would say that they are illegal to use, but not to buy, and as I said,
blind eyes are increasingly turned by Ofcom, due to many short wave stations
now being on the internet. However I feel, morally they are wrong as they
stop people from using kit they own due to somebody being too lazy to lay a
cable along between two points.
Brian

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On 29/11/2020 14:09:36, Andy Burns wrote:
newshound wrote:

Farmer Giles wrote:

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Their use was deprecated, particularly by radio hams because of the
interference they chuck out.

They may be disliked, but that doesn't amount to them being deprecated.

That said they don't seem uber-reliable, needing to be powered-off and on
again too often,

I would be surprised if that's a common feature of all makes and models.

replacing the cable would be better.

Agreed, but unless can be changed by a simple 'pull' of changing old with
new isn't always a trivial process.

The ham bands, as I say are now protected, but not the broadcast bands, and
nor is critical short wave traffic from ships and aircraft, which has caused
problems at the land side stations in recent years. Not every link is done
via satellite you know. I think polluting the rf spectrum as cheap wall
warts, laptop chargers and low energy lamps as well as these thing do will,
one day come back and bite us.
Brian

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In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
newshound wrote:

Farmer Giles wrote:

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

Their use was deprecated, particularly by radio hams because of the
interference they chuck out.

They may be disliked, but that doesn't amount to them being deprecated.

That said they don't seem uber-reliable, needing to be powered-off and
on again too often, replacing the cable would be better.

my Devolo kit seems pretty reliable. A re-boot every 6 months or so might
be needed.

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wrote:
I would say that they are illegal to use, but not to buy, and as I said,
blind eyes are increasingly turned by Ofcom, due to many short wave
stations now being on the internet. However I feel, morally they are
wrong as they stop people from using kit they own due to somebody being
too lazy to lay a cable along between two points. Brian

It isn't always a matter of being too lazy. Sometimes it's b***** difficult
to do it, especially to do it neatly.

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On 29/11/2020 19:07, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
I would say that they are illegal to use, but not to buy, and as I said,
blind eyes are increasingly turned by Ofcom, due to many short wave stations
now being on the internet. However I feel, morally they are wrong as they
stop people from using kit they own due to somebody being too lazy to lay a
cable along between two points.
Brian

I would have more sympathy for your position had HMG protected the 27MHz
Radio Control Model Band from the ludicrous kW class CB radios. Legal to
sell them but not to use them. Utter madness!

As it is the ethernet over mains devices *are* licensed for use in the
UK. Software defined radio has allowed much more sophisticated ways of
receiving SW that can get around modest amounts of local interference.

Although if you are a radio ham then ethernet over power line is
probably not for you!

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Martin Brown

On 29/11/2020 15:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

+1001


Cleans a big big carpet, for less than half a crown!

Bill

Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

I would say that they are illegal to use, but not to buy

I can't see how they're illegal to use, BT wouldn't supply them with
their routers if they were illegal.

On 29/11/2020 13:04, Farmer Giles wrote:
I have an outside workshop/office that I ran some cat5 cable to some
years ago. This link is now playing up a bit - intermittent - and I have
been looking at replacing the cable, which I know has become a bit
fragile in places - a bit of a tedious job.

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?

If its an outside workshop/office I would expect it to be on a separate
ring and with a separate RCBO. Now I have tried a couple of models and
find they are OK when you are on the same ring, but as soon as you put
them on separate rings odd things seem to happen.

Some times they don't work flat out. Sometimes they drop. I think a new
bit of CAT5 or if its in WiFi range you might try a WiFi range extender
with access point..

Dave
G4UGM

On 29/11/2020 16:09, Chris Green wrote:
Michael Chare wrote:
On 29/11/2020 15:06, Farmer Giles wrote:

Thanks to everyone for the very useful replies.

I'm persuaded to go for cable replacement. It's probably about 25 metres
in total, a real pain to route but I think the better option overall.

If the cable is underground it will be easier to replace in the future
if you have it inside a pipe such as a blue plastic water pipe. Wrong
colour of course but easy to buy.

That's what mine is in, MDPE water pipe. What do you mean by wrong
colour - blue is underground, black is above ground. ... or did you
just mean it won't have water in it?


Blue is for water. Google for underground pipe color code.


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Michael Chare

Michael Chare wrote:
On 29/11/2020 16:09, Chris Green wrote:
Michael Chare wrote:
On 29/11/2020 15:06, Farmer Giles wrote:

Thanks to everyone for the very useful replies.

I'm persuaded to go for cable replacement. It's probably about 25 metres
in total, a real pain to route but I think the better option overall.

If the cable is underground it will be easier to replace in the future
if you have it inside a pipe such as a blue plastic water pipe. Wrong
colour of course but easy to buy.

That's what mine is in, MDPE water pipe. What do you mean by wrong
colour - blue is underground, black is above ground. ... or did you
just mean it won't have water in it?


Blue is for water. Google for underground pipe color code.

That is sort of what I said. :-)

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Chris Green
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In message , Andy Burns
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newshound wrote:

Farmer Giles wrote:

I understand that such a link can be achieved with suitable adaptors
through the ring main. Has anyone here done this who can offer
advice/guidance as the best and most economical way to go about it?
Their use was deprecated, particularly by radio hams because of the
interference they chuck out.

They may be disliked, but that doesn't amount to them being deprecated.

That said they don't seem uber-reliable, needing to be powered-off and
on again too often, replacing the cable would be better.

It's bad enough that the regulations about RF radiation limits are often
deliberately so lax, without actually marketing devices that use a
technology that is almost deliberately designed to be impossible to
avoid it.

AIUI, these units are only legal in the UK because, about 15 years ago,
they were EN-approved by a German test house. This meant that they were
then OK to use throughout the EU. One of the few advantages of Brexit
could be that the UK could ban them (but, of course, we won't).
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Ian