On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 23:05:50 +0000, Huge wrote:

On 2018-01-05, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:51:34 +0000, alan_m wrote:

[17 lines snipped]

duties still include manning tills, stocking shelves and cleaning
floors.

That's correct. Everyone does everything.

Which is how it should be. Everywhere. Not just Aldi.

When I was running the department's admissions (for 15 years) I employed
student helpers. They had to welcome, guide, inform, take to lunch, tour,
provide security, etc. I always trained all of them in everything, to get
maximum flexibility.

I usually had to have one student 'guard' the guests' coffee and biscuits
for 10 minutes while there was a lecture changeover, or we got a *lot* of
pilfering! For a couple of years, one particular student was particularly
good at this - no one ever tried anything on. His evening job was at the
university nightclub - as a bouncer.



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"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
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Huge wrote:

On 2018-01-05, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:51:34 +0000, alan_m wrote:

[17 lines snipped]

duties still include manning tills, stocking shelves and cleaning
floors.

That's correct. Everyone does everything.

Which is how it should be. Everywhere. Not just Aldi.

I'm not sure how that would work in a hospital. Or an engineering firm.

Or plenty of other places either. It makes absolutely no sense
for the best surgeons who have a limit on how many operations
can be done in a particular say week should be sweeping the
floor or cleaning the dunnys. Makes no sense for someone like
Bezos etc to be doing that either. He's completely off with the
****ing fairys, as always.

wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 01:03:31 -0800 (PST), fred
wrote:


Because it would slow things down, their tills operate at the speed of
light, and with the queues they need to!

No . What slows down checkouts is bloody women who (a) wont look for their purse until asked to pay and (b) then spend 1/2 hour looking for that last penny in said purse.

And while doing so find a forgotten voucher for 5p off a different
brand of Coffee to the one they bought and send accompanying brat back
to the aisles to swap it over, the cashier then points out the voucher
has expired and the brand is more expensive and the search for some
pennies starts again.

G.Harman

And block the queue with their trolley or body leaving yards of
inaccessible empty belt.

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 06:16:23 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Stupid IMO given that the transaction fee is just cents for those
transactions.

USA for credit cards

"In 2014, the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City reported that the
average merchant in the country pays around 1.73% of each credit card
transaction to the issuer, card network and other bodies that handle
the transaction of funds."
....
....
In Q4 of 2015, American Express made $4.9 billion in Discount Revenue
- their name for interchange fees....By contrast, income resulting
from interest was just $1.9 billion.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth.../#420f6911a444

Gas stations seem to favor the practice because the margins on
gasoline are razor thin, if not negative, when people pay by card.

That's a myth. Look at the real merchant fee sometime.

It would not be a common practice, but most likely for those who buy
large volumes (fleets, etc) these days.

In one US state, the legislators mandated same price for cash or
credit card. Before, there was a discount for cash at many fuel
vendors. Independent vendors, small businesses, pay more to process
credit cards. I can't address what other state laws might be.

But they have to pay the monkey who accepts the cash and
that vastly more than the merchant fee on the transaction.

Most USA fuel stops are convenience stores these days, where
food/drinks/fuel are sold.

http://www.hartington.net/wp-content.../06/Caseys.jpg

On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:44:02 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

In this case maybe cash is a valid
alternative for some retailers.

Unless a state law prohibits cash pricing being lower than credit card
sales.

JAB wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Stupid IMO given that the transaction
fee is just cents for those transactions.

USA for credit cards

I was talking about debit cards, not credit cards.

"In 2014, the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City reported
that the average merchant in the country pays around 1.73%
of each credit card transaction to the issuer, card network
and other bodies that handle the transaction of funds."

Yes, you lot are actually stupid enough to let the card
companys shaft you with merchant charges like that.

Aldi here pays quite literally 0.5% and they pass that merchant
fee on to the customer. They don't bother with the debit card
fee because its quite literally only a few cents per transaction.

In Q4 of 2015, American Express made $4.9 billion in
Discount Revenue - their name for interchange fees....

We have just recently stopped them charging
anything like that in merchant fees here.

And plenty of merchants wont accept Amex and others
pass the stupid Amex merchant fee on to the customer
who is stupid enough to want to use an Amex card.

By contrast, income resulting from interest was just $1.9 billion.

Yep, utterly flagrant ripoff that only you lot are stupid enough to wear.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth.../#420f6911a444

Yep, you lot are actually that stupid and havent noticed the massive con
job.

Gas stations seem to favor the practice because the margins on
gasoline are razor thin, if not negative, when people pay by card.

That's a myth. Look at the real merchant fee sometime.

It would not be a common practice, but most likely
for those who buy large volumes (fleets, etc) these days.

Only because your merchant fees are so utterly outrageous.

Ours arent with major national operations like that,
typically 0.5% with credit cards and literally cents
with debit cards and nothing with eftpos cards.

In one US state, the legislators mandated same price for cash
or credit card. Before, there was a discount for cash at many fuel
vendors. Independent vendors, small businesses, pay more to
process credit cards. I can't address what other state laws might be.

But they have to pay the monkey who accepts the cash and
that vastly more than the merchant fee on the transaction.

Most USA fuel stops are convenience stores
these days, where food/drinks/fuel are sold.

Same here, but only the stupid buy stuff at those.

http://www.hartington.net/wp-content.../06/Caseys.jpg

JAB wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Stupid IMO given that the transaction
fee is just cents for those transactions.

USA for credit cards

I was talking about debit cards, not credit cards.

"In 2014, the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City reported
that the average merchant in the country pays around 1.73%
of each credit card transaction to the issuer, card network
and other bodies that handle the transaction of funds."

Yes, you lot are actually stupid enough to let the card
companys shaft you with merchant charges like that.

Aldi here pays quite literally 0.5% and they pass that merchant
fee on to the customer. They don't bother with the debit card
fee because its quite literally only a few cents per transaction.

In Q4 of 2015, American Express made $4.9 billion in
Discount Revenue - their name for interchange fees....

We have just recently stopped them charging
anything like that in merchant fees here.

And plenty of merchants wont accept Amex and others
pass the stupid Amex merchant fee on to the customer
who is stupid enough to want to use an Amex card.

By contrast, income resulting from interest was just $1.9 billion.

Yep, utterly flagrant ripoff that only you lot are stupid enough to wear.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth.../#420f6911a444

Yep, you lot are actually that stupid and havent noticed the massive con
job.

Gas stations seem to favor the practice because the margins on
gasoline are razor thin, if not negative, when people pay by card.

That's a myth. Look at the real merchant fee sometime.

It would not be a common practice, but most likely
for those who buy large volumes (fleets, etc) these days.

Only because your merchant fees are so utterly outrageous.

Ours arent with major national operations like that,
typically 0.5% with credit cards and literally cents
with debit cards and nothing with eftpos cards.

In one US state, the legislators mandated same price for cash
or credit card. Before, there was a discount for cash at many fuel
vendors. Independent vendors, small businesses, pay more to
process credit cards. I can't address what other state laws might be.

But they have to pay the monkey who accepts the cash and
that vastly more than the merchant fee on the transaction.

Most USA fuel stops are convenience stores
these days, where food/drinks/fuel are sold.

Same here, but only the stupid buy stuff at those.

http://www.hartington.net/wp-content.../06/Caseys.jpg

JAB wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Stupid IMO given that the transaction
fee is just cents for those transactions.

USA for credit cards

I was talking about debit cards, not credit cards.

"In 2014, the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City reported
that the average merchant in the country pays around 1.73%
of each credit card transaction to the issuer, card network
and other bodies that handle the transaction of funds."

Yes, you lot are actually stupid enough to let the card
companys shaft you with merchant charges like that.

Aldi here pays quite literally 0.5% and they pass that merchant
fee on to the customer. They don't bother with the debit card
fee because its quite literally only a few cents per transaction.

In Q4 of 2015, American Express made $4.9 billion in
Discount Revenue - their name for interchange fees....

We have just recently stopped them charging
anything like that in merchant fees here.

And plenty of merchants wont accept Amex and others
pass the stupid Amex merchant fee on to the customer
who is stupid enough to want to use an Amex card.

By contrast, income resulting from interest was just $1.9 billion.

Yep, utterly flagrant ripoff that only you lot are stupid enough to wear.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth.../#420f6911a444

Yep, you lot are actually that stupid and havent noticed the massive con
job.

Gas stations seem to favor the practice because the margins on
gasoline are razor thin, if not negative, when people pay by card.

That's a myth. Look at the real merchant fee sometime.

It would not be a common practice, but most likely
for those who buy large volumes (fleets, etc) these days.

Only because your merchant fees are so utterly outrageous.

Ours arent with major national operations like that,
typically 0.5% with credit cards and literally cents
with debit cards and nothing with eftpos cards.

In one US state, the legislators mandated same price for cash
or credit card. Before, there was a discount for cash at many fuel
vendors. Independent vendors, small businesses, pay more to
process credit cards. I can't address what other state laws might be.

But they have to pay the monkey who accepts the cash and
that vastly more than the merchant fee on the transaction.

Most USA fuel stops are convenience stores
these days, where food/drinks/fuel are sold.

Same here, but only the stupid buy stuff at those.

http://www.hartington.net/wp-content.../06/Caseys.jpg

JAB wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Stupid IMO given that the transaction
fee is just cents for those transactions.

USA for credit cards

I was talking about debit cards, not credit cards.

"In 2014, the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City reported
that the average merchant in the country pays around 1.73%
of each credit card transaction to the issuer, card network
and other bodies that handle the transaction of funds."

Yes, you lot are actually stupid enough to let the card
companys shaft you with merchant charges like that.

Aldi here pays quite literally 0.5% and they pass that merchant
fee on to the customer. They don't bother with the debit card
fee because its quite literally only a few cents per transaction.

In Q4 of 2015, American Express made $4.9 billion in
Discount Revenue - their name for interchange fees....

We have just recently stopped them charging
anything like that in merchant fees here.

And plenty of merchants wont accept Amex and others
pass the stupid Amex merchant fee on to the customer
who is stupid enough to want to use an Amex card.

By contrast, income resulting from interest was just $1.9 billion.

Yep, utterly flagrant ripoff that only you lot are stupid enough to wear.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth.../#420f6911a444

Yep, you lot are actually that stupid and havent noticed the massive con
job.

Gas stations seem to favor the practice because the margins on
gasoline are razor thin, if not negative, when people pay by card.

That's a myth. Look at the real merchant fee sometime.

It would not be a common practice, but most likely
for those who buy large volumes (fleets, etc) these days.

Only because your merchant fees are so utterly outrageous.

Ours arent with major national operations like that,
typically 0.5% with credit cards and literally cents
with debit cards and nothing with eftpos cards.

In one US state, the legislators mandated same price for cash
or credit card. Before, there was a discount for cash at many fuel
vendors. Independent vendors, small businesses, pay more to
process credit cards. I can't address what other state laws might be.

But they have to pay the monkey who accepts the cash and
that vastly more than the merchant fee on the transaction.

Most USA fuel stops are convenience stores
these days, where food/drinks/fuel are sold.

Same here, but only the stupid buy stuff at those.

http://www.hartington.net/wp-content.../06/Caseys.jpg

JAB wrote
alan_m wrote

In this case maybe cash is a valid
alternative for some retailers.

Unless a state law prohibits cash pricing
being lower than credit card sales.

Its only one US state that has ever actually been that stupid.

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:43:46 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Yes, you lot are actually stupid enough to let the card
companys shaft you with merchant charges like that.

Government dictates the terms...

On 06/01/2018 06:01, JAB wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:43:46 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Yes, you lot are actually stupid enough to let the card
companys shaft you with merchant charges like that.

Government dictates the terms...


Do they actually dictate the terms or just impose an upper limit which
the financial institutions can undercut if they want?

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On 06/01/2018 04:16, JAB wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:44:02 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

In this case maybe cash is a valid
alternative for some retailers.

Unless a state law prohibits cash pricing being lower than credit card
sales.


It may not make any difference to the customer but it may make a big
difference to the retailer's profit if the merchant charges on cards is
a lot more expensive than handling cash (extra security at the premises
and transporting cash to banks, employee theft etc.). This assumes a
transaction that is going through the books and not a 'cash in hand no
questions asked' transaction to avoid any taxes.

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On 06/01/2018 00:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
(I hardly ever shop at
busy times).

Some of us don't have that choice,

I find that *very* hard to believe.


Not everyone lives in a location where shops are open 18 to 24 hours a
day. Where I've been staying over Christmas most food shops within a 10
mile radius are closed by 5 or 6pm and the few left by 7 or 8pm. If you
work then visiting these shops during a slack time may not be possible.

Furthermore, when a supermarket has less busy times the staffing levels
are reduced and or self-service tills suspended.

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On 06/01/2018 03:34, FMurtz wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 01:03:31 -0800 (PST), fred
wrote:


Because it would slow things down, their tills operate at the speed of
light, and with the queues they need to!

No . What slows down checkouts is bloody women who (a) wont look for
their purse until asked to pay and (b) then spend 1/2 hour looking
for that last penny in said purse.

And while doing so find a forgotten voucher for 5p off a different
brand of Coffee to the one they bought and send accompanying brat back
to the aisles to swap it over, the cashier then points out the voucher
has expired andÂ* the brand is more expensive and the search for some
pennies starts again.

G.Harman

And block the queue with their trolley or body leaving yards of
inaccessible empty belt.


Worse is taking the whole extended family shopping, having one trolley
with the shopping but them all standing in the queue at the checkout belt.

Then there is the person after loading the belt and reached the till has
found that they have forgotten the milk and sends their partner off to
"quickly" fetch it. 10 minutes later they return with the milk and a
dozen more items. I have seen in a Lidl branch where the till operator
has waited too long telling the customer to pay for what has already
been rung up and the missing partner returning with extra goods to join
the end of the queue.

Possibly those with financial problems, but people who only judge what
they can afford at the till by asking the till operator to cancel and
return items once rung up. It wouldn't be too bad if it was the odd item
but it does often seem to be people with £1.50 in their pocket to spend
turn up at the checkout with £100 worth of goods in a trolley, including
luxury items.

When you have a trolley full of goods NEVER let the person behind you
with only one item go in front. They will always have one of the few
items in the store that doesn't have a readable bar code. A second
member of staff has to be found to get another of the same item with a
readable code only to find that the customer has picked the last one in
the store.

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JAB wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Yes, you lot are actually stupid enough to let the card
companys shaft you with merchant charges like that.

Government dictates the terms...

Like hell if does on the rate they charge and their
stupid claim that the merchant agreement doesn't
allow the merchant to offer a discount for cash or
pass the merchant fee on to the consumer.

You fools are the ones stupid enough to get conned
into paying those outrageous merchant fees.

alan_m wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
whisky-dave wrote

(I hardly ever shop at busy times).

Some of us don't have that choice,

I find that *very* hard to believe.

Not everyone lives in a location where shops are open 18 to 24 hours a
day.

He does. And no shop is busy 12 hours a day anyway.

Where I've been staying over Christmas most food shops within a 10 mile
radius are closed by 5 or 6pm and the few left by 7 or 8pm.

Sure, but they arent busy all the time that they are open.

If you work then visiting these shops during a slack time may not be
possible.

Corse it is given that no shop is ever busy for the entire time you
dont have to be at work, even with those who work 12 hour shifts.

And Dave the sot doesnt.

Furthermore, when a supermarket has less busy times the staffing levels
are reduced and or self-service tills suspended.

One of ours actually does the opposite, closes the manned
checkouts and forces you to use the self checkouts.

On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 23:59:16 +0000, T i m wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:27:51 +0000, wrote:


Lot of trouble to go to when you can buy one for a quid at numerous
outlets.

What, a shopping trolley wheel?

No, a whole trolley of course .


And since when has 'going to some trouble' stopped a good d-i-yer. ;-)

Can't you just get some old push chair wheels in the tradition of
using old pram wheels to make a "trolley "
, there is probably one fly tipped near you

My point is I'd rather make my own that are likely to be better , not
only because of how well they roll (so easier to pull home) but how
long they will last.

Fine, if you are getting enjoyment out of it,
wheels are fairly easy to obtain for near nowt though,
a lot will become available in the next few weeks as kids begin to
break up their Christmas toys


G.Harman

"alan_m" wrote in message
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On 06/01/2018 03:34, FMurtz wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 01:03:31 -0800 (PST), fred
wrote:


Because it would slow things down, their tills operate at the speed of
light, and with the queues they need to!

No . What slows down checkouts is bloody women who (a) wont look for
their purse until asked to pay and (b) then spend 1/2 hour looking for
that last penny in said purse.

And while doing so find a forgotten voucher for 5p off a different
brand of Coffee to the one they bought and send accompanying brat back
to the aisles to swap it over, the cashier then points out the voucher
has expired and the brand is more expensive and the search for some
pennies starts again.

G.Harman

And block the queue with their trolley or body leaving yards of
inaccessible empty belt.


Worse is taking the whole extended family shopping, having one trolley
with the shopping but them all standing in the queue at the checkout belt.

Then there is the person after loading the belt and reached the till has
found that they have forgotten the milk and sends their partner off to
"quickly" fetch it. 10 minutes later they return with the milk and a dozen
more items. I have seen in a Lidl branch where the till operator has
waited too long telling the customer to pay for what has already been rung
up and the missing partner returning with extra goods to join the end of
the queue.

Possibly those with financial problems, but people who only judge what
they can afford at the till by asking the till operator to cancel and
return items once rung up. It wouldn't be too bad if it was the odd item
but it does often seem to be people with £1.50 in their pocket to spend
turn up at the checkout with £100 worth of goods in a trolley, including
luxury items.

When you have a trolley full of goods NEVER let the person behind you with
only one item go in front.

None of ours are such arseholes.

They will always have one of the few items in the store that doesn't have
a readable bar code.

None of mine ever have when I have been let in before them.

And if I would ever be in that situation, I would
get the checkout monkey to cancel the transaction
and go and get another identical item.

A second member of staff has to be found to get another of the same item
with a readable code only to find that the customer has picked the last
one in the store.

What they actually do is manually
enter the number on the barcode.

In article ,
alan_m wrote:
On 06/01/2018 00:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
(I hardly ever shop at
busy times).

Some of us don't have that choice,

I find that *very* hard to believe.


Not everyone lives in a location where shops are open 18 to 24 hours a
day.

But Dave said 'us' and he does.


Where I've been staying over Christmas most food shops within a 10
mile radius are closed by 5 or 6pm and the few left by 7 or 8pm. If you
work then visiting these shops during a slack time may not be possible.

Furthermore, when a supermarket has less busy times the staffing levels
are reduced and or self-service tills suspended.

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On 04-Jan-18 9:50 AM, stuart noble wrote:
Why do the media insist on calling Aldi a discount store? I've never seen "discounted" goods in their stores, and they don't try and bamboozle you with BOGOF deals, loyalty cards and all that rubbish. In fact that's probably why they're so successful. That and applying commonsense to their strategy.
The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted that the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.


It's not a discount supermarket. It's a budget supermarket.

On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:16:44 -0600, JAB wrote:

On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:44:02 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

In this case maybe cash is a valid alternative for some retailers.

Unless a state law prohibits cash pricing being lower than credit card
sales.

That is happening in the UK - next week.

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On 06/01/2018 01:25, Rod Speed wrote:


"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
...
Huge wrote:

On 2018-01-05, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:51:34 +0000, alan_m wrote:

[17 lines snipped]

duties still include manning tills, stocking shelves and cleaning
floors.

That's correct. Everyone does everything.

Which is how it should be. Everywhere. Not just Aldi.

I'm not sure how that would work in a hospital.* Or an engineering firm.

Or plenty of other places either. It makes absolutely no sense
for the best surgeons who have a limit on how many operations
can be done in a particular say week should be sweeping the
floor or cleaning the dunnys.

Why not? Because it's beneath their dignity?

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On 06/01/2018 12:11, Bob Eager wrote:


That is happening in the UK - next week.


That will F**k up HM Government who have two prices for on-line payment
of road fund tax depending on how it is paid. This has always annoyed me
in that on-line you are paying directly to HM Government and they charge
an extra amount if paid by credit card. I could also go to a private
company, Post Office Counters, and pay the lower price using my card for
which PO Counters presumably charge HM Government an administration fee
which I guess is a lot more than the merchant charges on a card.

Is what is happening in the UK a ban on dual pricing or just legislation
to ensure that both prices are shown up front and not hidden until the
last part of the transaction - rather like not declaring ex VAT prices
in adverts until you see the final bill.

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On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 12:38:34 +0000, alan_m wrote:

On 06/01/2018 12:11, Bob Eager wrote:


That is happening in the UK - next week.


That will F**k up HM Government who have two prices for on-line payment
of road fund tax depending on how it is paid. This has always annoyed me
in that on-line you are paying directly to HM Government and they charge
an extra amount if paid by credit card. I could also go to a private
company, Post Office Counters, and pay the lower price using my card for
which PO Counters presumably charge HM Government an administration fee
which I guess is a lot more than the merchant charges on a card.

Is what is happening in the UK a ban on dual pricing or just legislation
to ensure that both prices are shown up front and not hidden until the
last part of the transaction - rather like not declaring ex VAT prices
in adverts until you see the final bill.

https://goo.gl/6jaEEU



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Max Demian wrote:

On 06/01/2018 01:25, Rod Speed wrote:


"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
...
Huge wrote:

On 2018-01-05, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:51:34 +0000, alan_m wrote:

[17 lines snipped]

duties still include manning tills, stocking shelves and cleaning
floors.

That's correct. Everyone does everything.

Which is how it should be. Everywhere. Not just Aldi.

I'm not sure how that would work in a hospital. Or an engineering firm.

Or plenty of other places either. It makes absolutely no sense
for the best surgeons who have a limit on how many operations
can be done in a particular say week should be sweeping the
floor or cleaning the dunnys.

Why not? Because it's beneath their dignity?

I would actually worry more about the people being operated on by people
who have only been trained to operate a floor polisher.

But the obvious answer is that it is a waste of money spending twently
years training someone as a specialist surgeon then only using their
skills for a fraction of the working week. This before the admittedly
begged question of their much higher salary. But I don't think you
would get many doing the very arduous twenty year training were it not
for the higher salary.

What went wrong with Mao's Cultural Revolution? On the face of it it
was a good idea.



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On 06/01/18 13:28, Roger Hayter wrote:
What went wrong with Mao's Cultural Revolution? On the face of it it
was a good idea.

Like all socialsim and communism, it deals with a theoritical entity -
an intelligent sane, altruistic moral human being - who does not exist.

The problem with socialism is simple. It doesnt apply to real human beings


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tim... wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
Huge wrote:

We've only been in the local Aldi once, in search of decaf coffee,
which they didn't have, so we left. There isn't a local Lidl.

You saved yourself from some horrid coffee.

Yep

I quite happily buy cheap supermarket freeze dried coffee

but the Aldi variant was awful

tim

I tried it once, it was disgusting.
Two years ago the wife mistakenly bought a jar of it. It is still in the
cupboard - unopened.

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"Max Demian" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 06/01/2018 01:25, Rod Speed wrote:


"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
...
Huge wrote:

On 2018-01-05, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:51:34 +0000, alan_m wrote:

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duties still include manning tills, stocking shelves and cleaning
floors.

That's correct. Everyone does everything.

Which is how it should be. Everywhere. Not just Aldi.

I'm not sure how that would work in a hospital. Or an engineering firm.

Or plenty of other places either. It makes absolutely no sense
for the best surgeons who have a limit on how many operations
can be done in a particular say week should be sweeping the
floor or cleaning the dunnys.

Why not?

Because it takes years to train them to do the surgery well
and it makes no sense to be not using them to do that.

Bob Eager wrote
JAB wrote
alan_m wrote

In this case maybe cash is a valid alternative for some retailers.

Unless a state law prohibits cash pricing being lower than credit card
sales.

That is happening in the UK - next week.

Nope, what is actually happening is a ban of paying more when you pay with a
card.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/01/18 13:28, Roger Hayter wrote:
What went wrong with Mao's Cultural Revolution? On the face of it it
was a good idea.

Like all socialsim and communism, it deals with a theoritical entity - an
intelligent sane, altruistic moral human being - who does not exist.

The problem with socialism is simple. It doesnt apply to real human beings

Worked well for Norway.

In article ,
whisky-dave writes
On Friday, 5 January 2018 14:08:30 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Huge wrote:
Hardly DIY is it, why don't the supermarkets give a small discount to
customers who do it themselves?

Which is one of the reasons I generally won't use self-service checkouts.

With most of those round here, you have the option of queueing up for a
checkout, or sailing straight through self service .

Why do you think they make you queue ?
Is it because it's cheaper for them or is better for you ?

(I hardly ever shop at
busy times).

Some of us don't have that choice, my flatmate used to go to tescos at
about 5am she said there was hardly anyone there.

.I value time wasted in queueing more than putting one over on
the supermarket coffers.

I'm not intereted in that either. Years ago an ASDA open up near me so
I gave it a try they had about 30 till points (before self service
existed) but they only had 4 or 5 open quite a few peole were getting
agitated by the 5+ queues at each checkout, so I walekd off saying to
someone workign their that they can either take my money at the till or
get someone to put the stuff back on the shelves all I got was a sorry
we are short of staff so I walked out leaving my basket on the floor.

I've noticed that 1 in 3 have a problem with self service, when I'm
ready to pay I look at the queues in sainsbury and I almost always get
out of the store quicker if I use staffed checkouts They have one Q for
the self service that leads to about 8 tills. I can make a mental note
of the last person in that Q and genrally speaking I can join a staffed
till and get out the shop before I would have if I'd joined the self
scanning Q.

In the future I suppose hat they might decide not to bother putting
stuff on shelves but just leave it on the palletes, maybe get poele to
go to the lorry and help themselves.
Remmeber self service arren;t there to make the customers life better
it's to increase profits by employing less staff, using the customer as
the robot.

Nonsense. Self service was introduced for the benefit of customers with
a small number of items so they didn't have to queue behind a large
trolley. It's ruined by the dickheads who put a trolley load through at
about 1 tenth of the speed of a manned checkout.
--
bert

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
fred wrote:
Because it would slow things down, their tills operate at the speed of
light, and with the queues they need to!

No . What slows down checkouts is bloody women who (a) wont look for
their purse until asked to pay and (b) then spend 1/2 hour looking for
that last penny in said purse.

Another reason for self checkout. One queue - if there is one - for all
the checkouts. Reducing the chances of getting stuck behind one of those.

Now if there was one queue for all the manned checkouts, it would remove
the gamble of getting stuck behind Huge.

I always advise people not to stand in the queue behind me because if
something is going to f** up it will be in my queue.
--
bert

On 06/01/2018 18:47, Ranchak wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/01/18 13:28, Roger Hayter wrote:
What went wrong with Mao's Cultural Revolution?Â*Â* On the face of it it
was a good idea.

Like all socialsim and communism, it deals with a theoritical entity -
an intelligent sane, altruistic moral human being - who does not exist.

The problem with socialism is simple. It doesnt apply to real human
beings

Worked well for Norway.

Not too difficult when you actually do have a magic pot of money not
based on taxing your own population. Investing North Sea oil income has
given Norway trillion dollar fund. The UK governments squandered the
same amount on EU work-shy benefit scroungers.

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 09:44:50 +0000, wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 23:59:16 +0000, T i m wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:27:51 +0000, wrote:


Lot of trouble to go to when you can buy one for a quid at numerous
outlets.

What, a shopping trolley wheel?

No, a whole trolley of course .

You do know the difference between a shopping trolley, a supermarket
trolley don't you? ;-)
http://www.argos.co.uk/browse/sports...lleys/c:30497/
https://www.wanzl.com/en_EN/products...rket-trolleys/


And since when has 'going to some trouble' stopped a good d-i-yer. ;-)

Can't you just get some old push chair wheels in the tradition of
using old pram wheels to make a "trolley "
, there is probably one fly tipped near you

I don't need to make a trolley, we already have one. However, we
regularly carry a very heavy load in ours and the plastic wheels
aren't likely to survive as long as the frame or bag. So, it seemed
logical to me to 'improve' the design so we aren't stranded half way
home with a bag full of stuff we can't lift, let alone carry! ;-(

My point is I'd rather make my own that are likely to be better , not
only because of how well they roll (so easier to pull home) but how
long they will last.

Fine, if you are getting enjoyment out of it,

Well, indirectly ... getting home in one piece ... with something you
have made yourself and improving the design to make it more robust and
better rolling is 'a good thing' that I think most might also enjoy?
;-)

wheels are fairly easy to obtain for near nowt though,

Once you find some (that fit the axle and are the right diameter so
the trolleys don't fall over when parked etc) please let me know. A
local supplier of such trolleys had to cannibalise new trolleys to
replace broken wheels under warranty. ;-(

a lot will become available in the next few weeks as kids begin to
break up their Christmas toys

See above.

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 07:46:29 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

Government dictates the terms...

Do they actually dictate the terms

Interchange fees on credit cards and prepaid cards are not regulated,
but they are on debit cards.

Surcharges, to my awareness, never existed...that was a UK thing until
January 2018.

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 20:24:12 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

You fools are the ones stupid enough to get conned
into paying those outrageous merchant fees.

Technically, the merchants ate interchange fees, and merchants did not
have surcharges added to credit card transactions, as was the case in
England until now.

Your APRs seem a bit high, when compared to USA rates. Also,
transfers tend to be "free."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/personal-...shifting-debt/

https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/top-...-credit-cards/

https://creditcards.usnews.com/balance-transfer

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 07:57:02 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

Unless a state law prohibits cash pricing being lower than credit card
sales.

It may not make any difference to the customer but it may make a big
difference to the retailer's profit if the merchant charges on cards is
a lot more expensive than handling cash

At USA fuel stops (convenience stores), a cash customer must walk into
store to pay. When this happens, the merchant can realize greater
profits since items bought within store will have a higher profit
margin.

Paying at the fuel pump, via credit card, does not insure the customer
will come into the store.

Hence, cash customers bring higher profits since many credit card
customers "fill-and-leave."

Again, I know of one US state that bans cash discounts...cash or
credit card is same price.

JAB wrote
Rod Speed wrote

You fools are the ones stupid enough to get conned
into paying those outrageous merchant fees.

Technically, the merchants ate interchange fees,

Like hell they did. There is only ever one
group that pays them, the consumer.

and merchants did not have surcharges
added to credit card transactions,

Only because you fools allowed your card companys
to ban that in the 'merchant agreement'

as was the case in England until now.

As is the case in the entire world even now.

Your APRs seem a bit high, when compared to USA rates.

Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, BAD.

When ApplePay showed up, Apple gets a slice of the merchant fee.

The British banks refused to pay anything like the same
slice of the merchant fee to Apple because their merchant
fees are much lower, particularly on credit cards, and so they
were able to monster Apple into accepting a smaller slice.

Also, transfers tend to be "free."

So are ours.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/personal-...shifting-debt/

https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/top-...-credit-cards/

https://creditcards.usnews.com/balance-transfer