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In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 4 January 2018 12:06:00 UTC, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 03:49:09 -0800, whisky-dave wrote:

On Thursday, 4 January 2018 11:36:32 UTC, charles wrote:
In article , alan_m
wrote:
On 04/01/2018 10:18, wrote:

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts?
They are cheaper.


Are they? Possibly only in stores where the check-out staff are
so
inefficient. When I use Tesco/Sainsbury/Asda I find their
checkout
so slow compared to the no nonsense approach of my local
Aldi/Lidl.

Possibly, one reason is that the staff at Lidl/Aldi tend to be
foreign and don't have enough english to indulge in conversation.
But you still get the customer who has to wonder where they've put
their purse - this tends to slow things.

Thye biggest slowdown I:ve foind is the small amount of packing
space
that you get at the end of the till, hardly enough space for one
bag.
The best tills I;ve seen are those where you have a seprators so if
someone is slow at picking up their staff then you juts sent the
next
customers stuff to the other side.

Because you're meant to put it back in the trolley and then pack at
your leisure.

I don]t use a trolly I use a basket as most people do and those that do
use a trolly there's not enough space on the counter to empty the trolly
so you actually need two trollys which take up far to much room.

The stores I use have a conveyor belt which will take the contents of two
trolleys.

I bet that's humongous

It is quite long, but it needs to be for the queue anyway. The queue on
out single aldi open checkout blocks traffic going past the end of the
much longer than normal conveyor at the aldi before they open another.

The guy in front of me before Christmas had a trolley load that he could
not get on the standard conveyer and he was struggling to find space for
the final one third so that the operator could start to scan the items.

We just stack stuff on top of the bigger stuff if that happens and
I've never seen that happen with the very long aldi conveyors.

The idea that there might be conveyers twice as long is staggering

Then you need to get out more. Our aldi conveyors are
at least twice as long as those at the other supermarkets.

(Fortunately whilst I was watching they opened up a new till and I got
pole position)

I must admit that I;ve never noticed anyone queuing with theri shopping
on the belt and carrying an empty basket.

No, you place the basket in the pile at the end of the belt.

They won't let you refill a basket. They have this fear that you will
steal it

They are so afraid of that at ours that there are no baskets at all.

And the trolleys have a coin system so you lose your $2 if you don't return
it.

Havent noticed any of theirs around town, but the aldi is well
out of the main part of town with few houses close to it.

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jim k wrote:
John Rumm Wrote in message:
On 04/01/2018 11:44, alan_m wrote:
On 04/01/2018 11:18, Huge wrote:

Another reason not to go there, then. What's the point if the
checkout
operators go faster than you can pack?
#

That's ok - the type of service you expect ****es off a lot of
shoppers
in these stores.when delaying the checkout process.

You are not meant to pack at the checkout - you put the items back in
the trolley and then pack at the shelf area set aside for the
purpose.

Which is fine in theory, except you are now lifting stuff in and out
of
the trolley twice.

"in your own good time" rather than all others' following....

Shurely if you only have a basket full you have to pack in real
time as there's no basket to put the stuff back in (as you've
left it at the start of the conveyor in the stack)?

You bring your own bags

which makes the piddly small table bigger, how?

You put them on the floor when they are full.

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On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 15:58:24 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Andy Burns pretended :
You saved yourself from some horrid coffee.

Untrue, though I have never tried decaff. I like a good coffee and bulk
buy at Aldi as I have done for many years.

I think the one full-caff he bought was Lidl rather than Aldi (searching
for Bellarom seems to confirm it) I suppose my colleague wanted to like
it and I didn't expect to, but we both hated it, enough to throw it
away.

I get a lot of stuff at Aldi (it's only a short walk away, and I
get a discount on some purchases). I tried the instant coffee,
and decided...no. I am going to try their beans. We shall see.

Ours do a full refund on stuff you decide you dont like.

whisky-dave wrote
alan_m wrote
whisky-dave wrote

I still use both methods, but cards are prefered by the shops
as people keep less track on what they are spending.

It costs more to handle cash as well as in-shop security concerns.

But credit card componies charge for the use
of such cards they don't do it for nothing.

But the cost is much lower than handling cash.

One reason why when paying by debit card they
always seem to ask if you also want cashback.

Tesco express don't give cashback I've asked at a few express outlets.

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On 04/01/2018 11:30, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 11:26:38 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

On 04/01/2018 10:18, wrote:

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They
are cheaper.


Are they? Possibly only in stores where the check-out staff are so
inefficient. When I use Tesco/Sainsbury/Asda I find their checkout so
slow compared to the no nonsense approach of my local Aldi/Lidl

Always long queues in our local Lidls; never enough tills manned
(womanned? personned?)


One of the ways they keep their costs down. One of the reasons Lidl and
Waitrose have a somewhat different demographic.

No idea whether self-service checkouts are cheaper or not,

Corse they are when you have one person per 6 self checkouts.

when you look at the capital costs

Those arent likely to be much higher
with self checkouts than manned ones.

and the fact that you need one person per few tills to sort out the
problems.

And to minimise fraud by the customers.

In article ,
critcher wrote:
why would you want to do checkout staff work without being paid.

You ask that on a DIY group?

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On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 2:15:52 PM UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Huge wrote:
Because it would slow things down, their tills operate at the speed
of
light,

Another reason not to go there, then. What's the point if the checkout
operators go faster than you can pack?

You put everything back in the trolley and pack at the car. If they are
too fast for you to keep up.

Which is why I like self service. Don't get stuck in a queue of those
with
all the time in the world.

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Fact is, Aldi/Lidl have got more things right than the other supermarkets.
Bigger isn't better, and both staff and customers benefit from the smaller
scale. They pay well too, and it shows.

On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 10:18:31 AM UTC, wrote:
On Thursday, 4 January 2018 09:50:30 UTC, stuart noble wrote:

Why do the media insist on calling Aldi a discount store? I've never seen "discounted" goods in their stores, and they don't try and bamboozle you with BOGOF deals, loyalty cards and all that rubbish. In fact that's probably why they're so successful. That and applying commonsense to their strategy.
The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted that the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They are cheaper.


NT

But I find them very quick to open another till if a queue starts

On 04/01/2018 12:07, Huge wrote:
On 2018-01-04, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 03:49:09 -0800, whisky-dave wrote:

On Thursday, 4 January 2018 11:36:32 UTC, charles wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
On 04/01/2018 10:18, wrote:

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts?
They are cheaper.


Are they? Possibly only in stores where the check-out staff are so
inefficient. When I use Tesco/Sainsbury/Asda I find their checkout so
slow compared to the no nonsense approach of my local Aldi/Lidl.

Possibly, one reason is that the staff at Lidl/Aldi tend to be foreign
and don't have enough english to indulge in conversation. But you
still get the customer who has to wonder where they've put their purse
- this tends to slow things.

Thye biggest slowdown I:ve foind is the small amount of packing space
that you get at the end of the till, hardly enough space for one bag.
The best tills I;ve seen are those where you have a seprators so if
someone is slow at picking up their staff then you juts sent the next
customers stuff to the other side.

Because you're meant to put it back in the trolley and then pack at your
leisure.

A deeply **** idea.


Keeps you out of their shops, so job done :-)

I like their system - I seem to be in and out of their shops quicker
than say Sainsburys. It's only the occasional bod insisting on packing
at the till that holds things up. But that's rare.


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On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 10:50:01 AM UTC, Broadback wrote:
On 04/01/2018 10:39, tim... wrote:


"stuart noble" wrote in message
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Why do the media insist on calling Aldi a discount store?

because its MO is to sell exclusively no-name "discount" products.

Which is what in Germany is exactly what it does

but here, the UK obsession with "brands" means that they have to stock
some of them

tim





Because it would slow things down, their tills operate at the speed of
light, and with the queues they need to!

No . What slows down checkouts is bloody women who (a) wont look for their purse until asked to pay and (b) then spend 1/2 hour looking for that last penny in said purse.

On 04/01/2018 16:02, tim... wrote:


"charles" wrote in message
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In article ,
Â* whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 4 January 2018 12:06:00 UTC, Bob EagerÂ* wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 03:49:09 -0800, whisky-dave wrote:

snip

I must admit that I;ve never noticed anyone queuing with theri shopping
on the belt and carrying an empty basket.

No, you place the basket in the pile at the end of the belt.

They won't let you refill a basket.Â* They have this fear that you will
steal it


They had that rule when they introduced baskets. Before that they didn't
have baskets - it was a trolley or nothing.

Now they let you take the baskets through, and have stacking points. At
least in my local stores - does seem to vary, judging by the comments here.

It's interesting that they let many of their practices evolve - expand
parking (they knocked down a brand new retail unit to create extra
space), bakery, packing areas, trolley/basket types. It's not as if it's
a new business model, so they seemingly shape (within fairly narrow
parameters) to local circumstances.


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On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 01:03:31 -0800 (PST), fred
wrote:


Because it would slow things down, their tills operate at the speed of
light, and with the queues they need to!

No . What slows down checkouts is bloody women who (a) wont look for their purse until asked to pay and (b) then spend 1/2 hour looking for that last penny in said purse.

And while doing so find a forgotten voucher for 5p off a different
brand of Coffee to the one they bought and send accompanying brat back
to the aisles to swap it over, the cashier then points out the voucher
has expired and the brand is more expensive and the search for some
pennies starts again.

G.Harman

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In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 4 January 2018 12:06:00 UTC, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 03:49:09 -0800, whisky-dave wrote:

On Thursday, 4 January 2018 11:36:32 UTC, charles wrote:
In article , alan_m
wrote:
On 04/01/2018 10:18, wrote:

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service
checkouts?
They are cheaper.


Are they? Possibly only in stores where the check-out staff are
so
inefficient. When I use Tesco/Sainsbury/Asda I find their
checkout
so slow compared to the no nonsense approach of my local
Aldi/Lidl.

Possibly, one reason is that the staff at Lidl/Aldi tend to be
foreign and don't have enough english to indulge in conversation.
But you still get the customer who has to wonder where they've put
their purse - this tends to slow things.

Thye biggest slowdown I:ve foind is the small amount of packing
space
that you get at the end of the till, hardly enough space for one
bag.
The best tills I;ve seen are those where you have a seprators so if
someone is slow at picking up their staff then you juts sent the
next
customers stuff to the other side.

Because you're meant to put it back in the trolley and then pack at
your leisure.

I don]t use a trolly I use a basket as most people do and those that do
use a trolly there's not enough space on the counter to empty the
trolly
so you actually need two trollys which take up far to much room.

The stores I use have a conveyor belt which will take the contents of
two
trolleys.

I bet that's humongous

It is quite long, but it needs to be for the queue anyway. The queue on
out single aldi open checkout blocks traffic going past the end of the
much longer than normal conveyor at the aldi before they open another.

The guy in front of me before Christmas had a trolley load that he could
not get on the standard conveyer and he was struggling to find space for
the final one third so that the operator could start to scan the items.

We just stack stuff on top of the bigger stuff if that happens and
I've never seen that happen with the very long aldi conveyors.

The idea that there might be conveyers twice as long is staggering

Then you need to get out more.

It doesn't matter how often I get out

I'm still not going to find an Ozzie Aldi on my day's path

tim

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On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 10:18:31 AM UTC, wrote:
On Thursday, 4 January 2018 09:50:30 UTC, stuart noble wrote:

Why do the media insist on calling Aldi a discount store? I've never
seen "discounted" goods in their stores, and they don't try and
bamboozle you with BOGOF deals, loyalty cards and all that rubbish. In
fact that's probably why they're so successful. That and applying
commonsense to their strategy.
The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted that
the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They are
cheaper.

But I find them very quick to open another till if a queue starts

Ours doesnt, but thats not surprising with just 4 staff on at even the
busiest time like mid saturday morning.

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In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 4 January 2018 12:06:00 UTC, Bob Eager wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 03:49:09 -0800, whisky-dave wrote:

On Thursday, 4 January 2018 11:36:32 UTC, charles wrote:
In article , alan_m
wrote:
On 04/01/2018 10:18, wrote:

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service
checkouts?
They are cheaper.


Are they? Possibly only in stores where the check-out staff are
so
inefficient. When I use Tesco/Sainsbury/Asda I find their
checkout
so slow compared to the no nonsense approach of my local
Aldi/Lidl.

Possibly, one reason is that the staff at Lidl/Aldi tend to be
foreign and don't have enough english to indulge in conversation.
But you still get the customer who has to wonder where they've
put
their purse - this tends to slow things.

Thye biggest slowdown I:ve foind is the small amount of packing
space
that you get at the end of the till, hardly enough space for one
bag.
The best tills I;ve seen are those where you have a seprators so
if
someone is slow at picking up their staff then you juts sent the
next
customers stuff to the other side.

Because you're meant to put it back in the trolley and then pack at
your leisure.

I don]t use a trolly I use a basket as most people do and those that
do
use a trolly there's not enough space on the counter to empty the
trolly
so you actually need two trollys which take up far to much room.

The stores I use have a conveyor belt which will take the contents of
two
trolleys.

I bet that's humongous

It is quite long, but it needs to be for the queue anyway. The queue on
out single aldi open checkout blocks traffic going past the end of the
much longer than normal conveyor at the aldi before they open another.

The guy in front of me before Christmas had a trolley load that he could
not get on the standard conveyer and he was struggling to find space for
the final one third so that the operator could start to scan the items.

We just stack stuff on top of the bigger stuff if that happens and
I've never seen that happen with the very long aldi conveyors.

The idea that there might be conveyers twice as long is staggering

Then you need to get out more.

It doesn't matter how often I get out

I'm still not going to find an Ozzie Aldi on my day's path

It's a tad unlikely that its only the aldis in this country that have decent
length conveyers.

In article ,
fred wrote:
Because it would slow things down, their tills operate at the speed of
light, and with the queues they need to!

No . What slows down checkouts is bloody women who (a) wont look for
their purse until asked to pay and (b) then spend 1/2 hour looking for
that last penny in said purse.

Another reason for self checkout. One queue - if there is one - for all
the checkouts. Reducing the chances of getting stuck behind one of those.

Now if there was one queue for all the manned checkouts, it would remove
the gamble of getting stuck behind Huge.

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On 04/01/2018 20:48, NY wrote:

Come to think of it, checkouts used to have a hinged divider on the
"output" side which the cashier moved one way or the other to allow for
one person to finish packing while the next is just starting.

Where I'm currently staying[*] with friends the local supermarket has a
version of this these and they do take a lot of space. Back home my
local Lidl has 5 or 6 checkouts in the same space as two of these
divider checkouts.
[*] not my favourite place to shop but the nearest (rural) supermarket
within 20 miles. Automatic tills run on 18th century software and have
manned checkouts where it still seems there is a culture of having a
long gossip irrespective of the long queue of people waiting.


You don't
see those any more. Indeed Lidl and Aldi have virtually no "output" tray
so you have to pack things as fast as the cashier rings them up.

Lild/Aldi seem have gone down the route of smaller supermarkets in more
accessible locations for those without a car hence don't have a lot of
physical room for large checkouts. You may note in these supermarkets
two checkout staff sit next to one another in a small booth servicing
two conveyor belts. Large warehouse supermarkets have larger checkout
areas but then in these large stores you would probably spend 10 minutes
just walking between the shelves to get 3 essential items - lets put the
most essential items in the corner furthest from the door!!!!

(*) I'm strenuously trying to avoid any hint of their gender.

Why?
In my experience men only delay queues as long as it takes them to
retrieve a wallet and immediately offer a card or note.
Women often have their purse behind 4 layers of zip security (which must
always be secured after payment as well). They will always try and be
helpful by offering the 13p odd money after which they will spend the
next half hour searching for change only to find that they only have 9p
or 20p thus saving the cashier no time at all. In the meantime all the
teenagers in the queue waiting for service reach retirement age.


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On 04/01/2018 22:55, Rod Speed wrote:

I don't with the operations with self checkouts.

Some can be OK but only if every thing is pre-packed with a bar code but
in my experience there are too many retailers where they really haven't
thought through the process properly. Just watch how often the staff
member has to help out because the process isn't intuitive an/or
suddenly the item needs you to enter a menu system where obviously you
have previously used your crystal ball to find where the item is hidden.

I will use self service tills in some retail outlets but refuse to use
them in others that I know are crap.


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On 04/01/2018 18:26, Andrew wrote:
On 04/01/2018 10:18, wrote:
On Thursday, 4 January 2018 09:50:30 UTC, stuart nobleÂ* wrote:

Why do the media insist on calling Aldi a discount store? I've never
seen "discounted" goods in their stores, and they don't try and
bamboozle you with BOGOF deals, loyalty cards and all that rubbish.
In fact that's probably why they're so successful. That and applying
commonsense to their strategy.
The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted
that the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They
are cheaper.


NT

Not when you factor in the increased theft.

I read in the papers that £2.5 billion P.A lost on self check outs.

On 04/01/2018 17:36, Huge wrote:
On 2018-01-04, critcher wrote:
On 04/01/2018 10:18, wrote:
On Thursday, 4 January 2018 09:50:30 UTC, stuart noble wrote:

Why do the media insist on calling Aldi a discount store? I've never seen "discounted" goods in their stores, and they don't try and bamboozle you with BOGOF deals, loyalty cards and all that rubbish. In fact that's probably why they're so successful. That and applying commonsense to their strategy.
The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted that the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They are cheaper.


NT

why would you want to do checkout staff work without being paid.

Which is another good point. Unusual if that really is dennis.


Dennis makes a lot of valid points, it's just others dont agree with him
all the time.

On 05/01/2018 00:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
critcher wrote:
why would you want to do checkout staff work without being paid.

You ask that on a DIY group?


Hardly DIY is it, why don't the supermarkets give a small discount to
customers who do it themselves?

On 04/01/2018 12:22, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Huge
wrote:

On 2018-01-04, Andy Burns wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:

stuart noble wrote:

The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted
that the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They
are
cheaper.
A newer LiDL here has them, they're just an annoying as other
supermarkets' self-checkouts

Self-scan and self-checkout (which is theoretically possible in Tesco)

Don't know what you mean by "theoretically possible".

would be awesome, except that you can't buy alcohol that way because
a member of staff has to check that you're over 18 (something that
Tesco already know, because you have to register for a Club Card to
use self-scan) and of the first 5 times we used it, we were "selected"
for a shoplifting check (*) four times.

(* The fact that it was to check for shoplifting was strenuously,
spuriously and rudely denied by a member of the supervisory staff.)

Well obviously they're going to do a shoplifting check from time to
time. Surprised you even bothered to ask. Although your hit rate does
sound a bit high.


I think there has to be 'reason to suspect' if you're stopped for
shoplifting? I'd think there's some other 'audit' type excuse they're
told to give.

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On Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:12:27 UTC, Roger Hayter wrote:
Max Demian wrote:

On 04/01/2018 14:04, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:20:07 UTC, jim wrote:
whisky-dave Wrote in message:

I went to aldi to get some bisto but they didn;t have any, only their
own brand so I left and went to the local corner shop.

Bisto sends hugs.

Well they do put the ingredients on the label, because having a veggie
cooking for you means they don't like to use meat products and the bisto
gravy actually says on the tin(made from carboard) that it is vegatarian
even the red version rather than just the green vegatable gravy which
IMHO isn't as tastey as the red.

What do vegetarians use Bisto for? *Original* Bisto (as opposed to the
gravy granules) is used to brown and thicken the juices from a joint or
chicken to make gravy, the flavour coming from the meat. Do vegetarians
make gravy from spinach water?

I don't suppose vegetarians use the original Bisto,

and most don't know the red (favourite version) is suitable for vegitatians most by default buy the green vegatble gravy version if they use gravy.

I emailed bisto and within 15mins they got back to me saying

Thank you for your recent enquiry about our Bisto range. Our Bisto Gravy Granules are suitable for a vegetarian diet.

In addition, here are some more products which are suitable for a vegetarian diet:

Bisto Gravy Granules
Bisto Onion Gravy Granules
Bisto Vegetarian Granules
Bisto White Sauce Granules
Bisto Parsley Sauce Granules
Bisto Chip Shop Curry Sauce Granules

________________________________


if indeed it still
exists.

http://www.bisto.co.uk/our-range/gra...l-gravy-powder

I assume it isn't vegaitarian,

The gravy granules make what is a apparently an acceptable
gravy without any additional ingredients (I don't eat it myself).

Acceptable to who or is it whom ?

Modern cuts of meat with little fat and modern cooking methods with
little pyrolysis or caramilsation do not yield much to make gravy with.
You may or may not approve.

I doubt vegitaians concernt themselevs how meat is cooked.


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says...

I will use self service tills in some retail outlets but
refuse to use them in others that I know are crap.

The self service tills in the newly opened Lidl just down the
road are very good and there is always somebody handy to sort
out any problems - in fact they are the only such tills that
my wife will happily use.

She had problems initially because she didn't realise that the
out tray is also a weighing machine and won't process the item
unless it it's weight is correctly regestered. She couldn't
undersrtand why it wouldn't work if she was still holding the
previous item in her hand!

Similarly, Poundland in Lincoln has recently had self service
tills installed and the staff moniroring progress are
excellent!

I recently had a problem with a pair of insoles which, being
very light, weren't instantly recognised by the scale under
the out tray, possibly because I'd already scanned all the
heavy stuff.

I gave the tray a light touch and the monitor got to me at the
same time but my action had got it sorted.

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On Friday, 5 January 2018 11:27:35 UTC, critcher wrote:
On 05/01/2018 00:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
critcher wrote:
why would you want to do checkout staff work without being paid.

You ask that on a DIY group?


Hardly DIY is it,

well if you scan it yourself (SIY)

why don't the supermarkets give a small discount to
customers who do it themselves?

I said that to the assistant manager in sainsbury when he asked me if I'd like to use the self service tills and I said no thanks. I said if they want me to use those tills it has to have some advantage to me, why don't 'you' offer a few extra nectar points for using the self checkouts.

On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 05:38:42 -0800 (PST), whisky-dave
wrote:

On Friday, 5 January 2018 11:27:35 UTC, critcher wrote:
On 05/01/2018 00:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
critcher wrote:
why would you want to do checkout staff work without being paid.

You ask that on a DIY group?


Hardly DIY is it,

well if you scan it yourself (SIY)

why don't the supermarkets give a small discount to
customers who do it themselves?

I said that to the assistant manager in sainsbury when he asked me if I'd like to use the self service tills and I said no thanks. I said if they want me to use those tills it has to have some advantage to me, why don't 'you' offer a few extra nectar points for using the self checkouts.


That's actually a good idea. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

In article ,
critcher wrote:
On 05/01/2018 00:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
critcher wrote:
why would you want to do checkout staff work without being paid.

You ask that on a DIY group?


Hardly DIY is it, why don't the supermarkets give a small discount to
customers who do it themselves?

If I want service in a shop, I'd use a local small one. Whole idea of a
supermarket is you largely DIY the thing. If you really want 'service',
have them deliver?
The reason I use a supermarket is the notion I'm getting the best price
rather than fawned upon by lackeys.

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In article ,
Huge wrote:
Hardly DIY is it, why don't the supermarkets give a small discount to
customers who do it themselves?

Which is one of the reasons I generally won't use self-service checkouts.

With most of those round here, you have the option of queueing up for a
checkout, or sailing straight through self service (I hardly ever shop at
busy times). I value time wasted in queueing more than putting one over on
the supermarket coffers.

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On 04/01/2018 16:02, tim... wrote:


"charles" wrote in message
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In article ,
Â* whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 4 January 2018 12:06:00 UTC, Bob EagerÂ* wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 03:49:09 -0800, whisky-dave wrote:

On Thursday, 4 January 2018 11:36:32 UTC, charlesÂ* wrote:
In article , alan_m
Â*Â*Â* wrote:
On 04/01/2018 10:18, wrote:

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts?
They are cheaper.


Are they? Possibly only in stores where the check-out staff
are so
inefficient. When I use Tesco/Sainsbury/Asda I find their
checkout
so slow compared to the no nonsense approach of my local
Aldi/Lidl.

Possibly, one reason is that the staff at Lidl/Aldi tend to be
foreign and don't have enough english to indulge in conversation.
But you still get the customer who has to wonder where they've put
their purse - this tends to slow things.

Thye biggest slowdown I:ve foind is the small amount of packing
space
that you get at the end of the till, hardly enough space for one
bag.
The best tills I;ve seen are those where you have a seprators so if
someone is slow at picking up their staff then you juts sent the
next
customers stuff to the other side.

Because you're meant to put it back in the trolley and then pack at
your leisure.

I don]t use a trolly I use a basket as most people do and those that do
use a trolly there's not enough space on the counter to empty the trolly
so you actually need two trollys which take up far to much room.

The stores I use have a conveyor belt which will take the contents of two
trolleys.

I bet that's humongous

The guy in front of me before Christmas had a trolley load that he could
not get on the standard conveyer and he was struggling to find space for
the final one third so that the operator could start to scan the items.

The idea that there might be conveyers twice as long is staggering

(Fortunately whilst I was watching they opened up a new till and I got
pole position)

I must admit that I;ve never noticed anyone queuing with theri shopping
on the belt and carrying an empty basket.

No, you place the basket in the pile at the end of the belt.

They won't let you refill a basket.Â* They have this fear that you will
steal it

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whisky-dave wrote:

On Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:12:27 UTC, Roger Hayter wrote:
Max Demian wrote:

On 04/01/2018 14:04, whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:20:07 UTC, jim wrote:
whisky-dave Wrote in message:

I went to aldi to get some bisto but they didn;t have any, only their
own brand so I left and went to the local corner shop.

Bisto sends hugs.

Well they do put the ingredients on the label, because having a veggie
cooking for you means they don't like to use meat products and the bisto
gravy actually says on the tin(made from carboard) that it is vegatarian
even the red version rather than just the green vegatable gravy which
IMHO isn't as tastey as the red.

What do vegetarians use Bisto for? *Original* Bisto (as opposed to the
gravy granules) is used to brown and thicken the juices from a joint or
chicken to make gravy, the flavour coming from the meat. Do vegetarians
make gravy from spinach water?

I don't suppose vegetarians use the original Bisto,

and most don't know the red (favourite version) is suitable for
vegitatians most by default buy the green vegatble gravy version if they
use gravy.

I emailed bisto and within 15mins they got back to me saying

Thank you for your recent enquiry about our Bisto range. Our Bisto Gravy
Granules are suitable for a vegetarian diet.

In addition, here are some more products which are suitable for a
vegetarian diet:

Bisto Gravy Granules
Bisto Onion Gravy Granules
Bisto Vegetarian Granules
Bisto White Sauce Granules
Bisto Parsley Sauce Granules
Bisto Chip Shop Curry Sauce Granules

________________________________


if indeed it still
exists.

http://www.bisto.co.uk/our-range/gra...l-gravy-powder

I assume it isn't vegaitarian,

The gravy granules make what is a apparently an acceptable
gravy without any additional ingredients (I don't eat it myself).

Acceptable to who or is it whom ?

Modern cuts of meat with little fat and modern cooking methods with
little pyrolysis or caramilsation do not yield much to make gravy with.
You may or may not approve.

I doubt vegitaians concernt themselevs how meat is cooked.

Some use the red gravy granules with halal meat; others use it because
of milk protein allergy. Both these use cases may involve using it with
meat. Others again because it is vegan.

So vegetarianism is not the only reason.






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On 04/01/2018 12:32, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:

Huge wrote:

Self-scan and self-checkout (which is theoretically possible in Tesco)

Don't know what you mean by "theoretically possible".

I gave up on the self-scan gadgets, as I found I went in late at night,
then arrived at the tills to find they'd closed the self-scan station,
and wanted me to queue at the one or two manned tills to get everything
re-scanned, didn't do my blood pressure any good storming out leaving
the full basket on the floor.

Well obviously they're going to do a shoplifting check from time to
time. Surprised you even bothered to ask. Although your hit rate does
sound a bit high.

Sainsbury's seem to be taking the different types of tills too far now,
they have operator tills, basket-only operator tills, tills for
self-scanning at the checkout, tills for self-scanning with the
hand-held devices, and now tills for self-scanning using your own mobile
phone.


you are also doing their work for them and not getting paid for it.

On 05/01/2018 11:58, Huge wrote:
On 2018-01-05, critcher wrote:
On 04/01/2018 17:36, Huge wrote:
On 2018-01-04, critcher wrote:
On 04/01/2018 10:18, wrote:
On Thursday, 4 January 2018 09:50:30 UTC, stuart noble wrote:

Why do the media insist on calling Aldi a discount store? I've never seen "discounted" goods in their stores, and they don't try and bamboozle you with BOGOF deals, loyalty cards and all that rubbish. In fact that's probably why they're so successful. That and applying commonsense to their strategy.
The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted that the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They are cheaper.


NT

why would you want to do checkout staff work without being paid.

Which is another good point. Unusual if that really is dennis.


Dennis makes a lot of valid points,

Ummm, no. dennis makes the very occasional good point. 99% of what he posts
is garbage. Certainly not worth wading through for the occasional pearl.


I dont think I post enough to have to "wade" through it.

On Thursday, 4 January 2018 11:26:43 UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 04/01/2018 10:18, wrote:

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They are cheaper.


Are they? Possibly only in stores where the check-out staff are so
inefficient. When I use Tesco/Sainsbury/Asda I find their checkout so
slow compared to the no nonsense approach of my local Aldi/Lidl


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I believe that they get bonuses on their check out timings. Although I also believe that in Germany it is illegal to measure worker's individual productivity.

Jonathan

On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 06:31:23 -0800, Jonathan wrote:

On Thursday, 4 January 2018 11:26:43 UTC, alan_m wrote:
Are they? Possibly only in stores where the check-out staff are so
inefficient. When I use Tesco/Sainsbury/Asda I find their checkout so
slow compared to the no nonsense approach of my local Aldi/Lidl

I believe that they get bonuses on their check out timings. Although I
also believe that in Germany it is illegal to measure worker's
individual productivity.

Aldi staff do NOT get such bonuses. If their timings are really slow
(allowing for newness of staff) they might get a quiet word. Largely it's
a matter of pride and competitiveness!

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In article ,
critcher wrote:
Sainsbury's seem to be taking the different types of tills too far
now, they have operator tills, basket-only operator tills, tills for
self-scanning at the checkout, tills for self-scanning with the
hand-held devices, and now tills for self-scanning using your own
mobile phone.


you are also doing their work for them and not getting paid for it.

I take it you also leave your trolley by your car, then? Taking it to a
collection point would be doing their work for them too.

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In article ,
Jonathan wrote:
I believe that they get bonuses on their check out timings. Although I
also believe that in Germany it is illegal to measure worker's
individual productivity.

I get the impression they also get more breaks at Lidl than Tesco. So can
work at full speed while they're there.

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On 05/01/2018 14:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
critcher wrote:
Sainsbury's seem to be taking the different types of tills too far
now, they have operator tills, basket-only operator tills, tills for
self-scanning at the checkout, tills for self-scanning with the
hand-held devices, and now tills for self-scanning using your own
mobile phone.


you are also doing their work for them and not getting paid for it.

I take it you also leave your trolley by your car, then? Taking it to a
collection point would be doing their work for them too.


no it wouldn't, the collection point is there to ensure cars, which we
drive, don't run into uncontrolled trolleys.

On 05/01/2018 14:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
critcher wrote:
Sainsbury's seem to be taking the different types of tills too far
now, they have operator tills, basket-only operator tills, tills for
self-scanning at the checkout, tills for self-scanning with the
hand-held devices, and now tills for self-scanning using your own
mobile phone.


you are also doing their work for them and not getting paid for it.

I take it you also leave your trolley by your car, then? Taking it to a
collection point would be doing their work for them too.

I think you miss the point, a job is important, if we decide to do other
peoples jobs to save a supermarket money, and we don't get anything for
that then who is the knobhead?

On 05/01/2018 10:50, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Now if there was one queue for all the manned checkouts, it would remove
the gamble of getting stuck behind Huge.


For efficiency the belts have to be preloaded with the goods from the
next customer while dealing with the first.

The next customer would always be stuck behind the time waster. With
multiple checkouts it would still be a gamble that you are the next
customer on the wrong checkout having already committed to that checkout.

My experience with the local Express Tesco is that even with a single
queue and multiple people serving is that you will get 3 people with
their shopping and then they will all pull out 3 months of lottery
tickets for checking and then all want a mix of scratch cards or fags
from the secure cabinet and even then if they have the payment ready the
staff will ask them if they have loyalty card which results in more
searching of pockets/purses.

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On 04/01/2018 18:59, Rod Speed wrote:
stuart noble wrote

Why do the media insist on calling Aldi a discount store?

Because that is what they are.

I've never seen "discounted" goods in their stores,

Then you need to get out more. They do that
routinely with their special buys that dont sell.

and they don't try and bamboozle you with
BOGOF deals, loyalty cards and all that rubbish.

But they are generally cheaper with much of the stuff they sell.

In fact that's probably why they're so successful.

Nope, its their prices that are the reason for that.

That and applying commonsense to their strategy.

And being very aggressive indeed about staff costs.

Ours only has quite literally a total of 10 staff and
usually only 4 at most in the store at any one time,
even on the busiest times like mid saturday morning.

And often only have one checkout open too.

The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted
that the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.

and of course they are paid more than other supermarket staff.