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Why do the media insist on calling Aldi a discount store? I've never seen "discounted" goods in their stores, and they don't try and bamboozle you with BOGOF deals, loyalty cards and all that rubbish. In fact that's probably why they're so successful. That and applying commonsense to their strategy.
The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted that the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.
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On Thursday, 4 January 2018 09:50:30 UTC, stuart noble wrote:

Why do the media insist on calling Aldi a discount store? I've never seen "discounted" goods in their stores, and they don't try and bamboozle you with BOGOF deals, loyalty cards and all that rubbish. In fact that's probably why they're so successful. That and applying commonsense to their strategy.
The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted that the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.


One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They are cheaper.


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The best tills I;ve seen are those where you have a seprators so if someone is slow at picking up their staff then you juts sent the next customers stuff to the other side.


Sainsbury's seemed to give up on those by the late 70's ... and the
automatic coin dispensing chutes for your change.

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On Thursday, 4 January 2018 11:26:43 UTC, alan_m wrote:
Are they? Possibly only in stores where the check-out staff are so
inefficient. When I use Tesco/Sainsbury/Asda I find their checkout so
slow compared to the no nonsense approach of my local Aldi/Lidl


I believe that they get bonuses on their check out timings. Although I
also believe that in Germany it is illegal to measure worker's
individual productivity.


Aldi staff do NOT get such bonuses. If their timings are really slow
(allowing for newness of staff) they might get a quiet word. Largely it's
a matter of pride and competitiveness!

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I believe that they get bonuses on their check out timings. Although I
also believe that in Germany it is illegal to measure worker's
individual productivity.


I get the impression they also get more breaks at Lidl than Tesco. So can
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stuart noble wrote:

The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted
that the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.


One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They are cheaper.

A newer LiDL here has them, they're just an annoying as other
supermarkets' self-checkouts
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tabbypurr wrote:

stuart noble wrote:

The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted
that the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.


One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They are
cheaper.

A newer LiDL here has them, they're just an annoying as other
supermarkets' self-checkouts


why would they not be?

FWIW, my local Pound Shop has them

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Self-scan and self-checkout (which is theoretically possible in Tesco)
would be awesome, except that you can't buy alcohol that way because
a member of staff has to check that you're over 18


You can't even buy alcohol-free beer which all claim to be less than
0.1% on the label, despite (IIRC) it being legal for people of all ages
to buy shandy type drinks with up to 0.5% alcohol.
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On 04/01/2018 12:13, Huge wrote:
On 2018-01-04, Andy Burns wrote:
Huge wrote:

Self-scan and self-checkout (which is theoretically possible in Tesco)
would be awesome, except that you can't buy alcohol that way because
a member of staff has to check that you're over 18


You can't even buy alcohol-free beer which all claim to be less than
0.1% on the label, despite (IIRC) it being legal for people of all ages
to buy shandy type drinks with up to 0.5% alcohol.


****wit computer programmers "gold plating" the ****witted alcohol
laws, probably.


More likely Government threatening behaviour towards stores - hence the
"check 25" policy where staff are supposed to check anyone not obviously
well over the legal age - and, if you have kids with you, assume you may
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On 2018-01-04, Andy Burns wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:

stuart noble wrote:

The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted
that the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They are cheaper.

A newer LiDL here has them, they're just an annoying as other
supermarkets' self-checkouts


Self-scan and self-checkout (which is theoretically possible in Tesco)
would be awesome, except that you can't buy alcohol that way because
a member of staff has to check that you're over 18 (something that
Tesco already know, because you have to register for a Club Card to
use self-scan) and of the first 5 times we used it, we were "selected"
for a shoplifting check (*) four times.

(* The fact that it was to check for shoplifting was strenuously,
spuriously and rudely denied by a member of the supervisory staff.)


Sounds like there's a marker on your account for something or
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Huge wrote:

Self-scan and self-checkout (which is theoretically possible in Tesco)


Don't know what you mean by "theoretically possible".


I gave up on the self-scan gadgets, as I found I went in late at night,
then arrived at the tills to find they'd closed the self-scan station,
and wanted me to queue at the one or two manned tills to get everything
re-scanned, didn't do my blood pressure any good storming out leaving
the full basket on the floor.

Well obviously they're going to do a shoplifting check from time to
time. Surprised you even bothered to ask. Although your hit rate does
sound a bit high.


Sainsbury's seem to be taking the different types of tills too far now,
they have operator tills, basket-only operator tills, tills for
self-scanning at the checkout, tills for self-scanning with the
hand-held devices, and now tills for self-scanning using your own mobile
phone.


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On 04/01/2018 12:32, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:

Huge wrote:

Self-scan and self-checkout (which is theoretically possible in Tesco)


Don't know what you mean by "theoretically possible".


I gave up on the self-scan gadgets, as I found I went in late at night,
then arrived at the tills to find they'd closed the self-scan station,
and wanted me to queue at the one or two manned tills to get everything
re-scanned, didn't do my blood pressure any good storming out leaving
the full basket on the floor.

Well obviously they're going to do a shoplifting check from time to
time. Surprised you even bothered to ask. Although your hit rate does
sound a bit high.


Sainsbury's seem to be taking the different types of tills too far now,
they have operator tills, basket-only operator tills, tills for
self-scanning at the checkout, tills for self-scanning with the
hand-held devices, and now tills for self-scanning using your own mobile
phone.


you are also doing their work for them and not getting paid for it.


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Sainsbury's seem to be taking the different types of tills too far
now, they have operator tills, basket-only operator tills, tills for
self-scanning at the checkout, tills for self-scanning with the
hand-held devices, and now tills for self-scanning using your own
mobile phone.


you are also doing their work for them and not getting paid for it.


I take it you also leave your trolley by your car, then? Taking it to a
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On 04/01/2018 12:32, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:

Huge wrote:

Self-scan and self-checkout (which is theoretically possible in Tesco)

Don't know what you mean by "theoretically possible".


I gave up on the self-scan gadgets, as I found I went in late at night,
then arrived at the tills to find they'd closed the self-scan station,
and wanted me to queue at the one or two manned tills to get everything
re-scanned, didn't do my blood pressure any good storming out leaving the
full basket on the floor.

Well obviously they're going to do a shoplifting check from time to
time. Surprised you even bothered to ask. Although your hit rate does
sound a bit high.


Sainsbury's seem to be taking the different types of tills too far now,
they have operator tills, basket-only operator tills, tills for
self-scanning at the checkout, tills for self-scanning with the hand-held
devices, and now tills for self-scanning using your own mobile phone.


you are also doing their work for them


Just as true of any supermarket compared with the more
traditional store where you ask for what you want and the
shopkeeper gives it to you from the shelves behind the counter.

and not getting paid for it.


Corse you are, with the lower prices you pay,

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tabbypurr wrote:

stuart noble wrote:

The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted
that the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They
are
cheaper.
A newer LiDL here has them, they're just an annoying as other
supermarkets' self-checkouts


Self-scan and self-checkout (which is theoretically possible in Tesco)


Don't know what you mean by "theoretically possible".


it's not possible in my local Tesco, theoretically or otherwise

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On 2018-01-04, Andy Burns wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:

stuart noble wrote:

The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted
that the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They
are
cheaper.
A newer LiDL here has them, they're just an annoying as other
supermarkets' self-checkouts


Self-scan and self-checkout (which is theoretically possible in Tesco)


Don't know what you mean by "theoretically possible".

would be awesome, except that you can't buy alcohol that way because
a member of staff has to check that you're over 18 (something that
Tesco already know, because you have to register for a Club Card to
use self-scan) and of the first 5 times we used it, we were "selected"
for a shoplifting check (*) four times.

(* The fact that it was to check for shoplifting was strenuously,
spuriously and rudely denied by a member of the supervisory staff.)


Well obviously they're going to do a shoplifting check from time to
time. Surprised you even bothered to ask. Although your hit rate does
sound a bit high.


I think there has to be 'reason to suspect' if you're stopped for
shoplifting? I'd think there's some other 'audit' type excuse they're
told to give.

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On 2018-01-04, Andy Burns wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:

stuart noble wrote:

The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted
that the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.

One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They
are
cheaper.
A newer LiDL here has them, they're just an annoying as other
supermarkets' self-checkouts

Self-scan and self-checkout (which is theoretically possible in Tesco)


Don't know what you mean by "theoretically possible".

would be awesome, except that you can't buy alcohol that way because
a member of staff has to check that you're over 18 (something that
Tesco already know, because you have to register for a Club Card to
use self-scan) and of the first 5 times we used it, we were "selected"
for a shoplifting check (*) four times.

(* The fact that it was to check for shoplifting was strenuously,
spuriously and rudely denied by a member of the supervisory staff.)


Well obviously they're going to do a shoplifting check from time to
time. Surprised you even bothered to ask. Although your hit rate does
sound a bit high.


I think there has to be 'reason to suspect' if you're stopped for
shoplifting?


Not with self checkouts.

I'd think there's some other 'audit' type excuse they're told to give.


Not with self checkouts.




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On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 02:18:28 -0800, tabbypurr wrote:

On Thursday, 4 January 2018 09:50:30 UTC, stuart noble wrote:

Why do the media insist on calling Aldi a discount store? I've never
seen "discounted" goods in their stores, and they don't try and
bamboozle you with BOGOF deals, loyalty cards and all that rubbish. In
fact that's probably why they're so successful. That and applying
commonsense to their strategy.
The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted that
the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.


One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They are
cheaper.


But not quick, thus typing up more space.

Given that *all* Aldi staff (including managers) are expected to pitch in
and run checkouts as necessary, and that you are expected to pack
*afterwards* and not at the checkout, they make pretty efficient use of
space. If the checkouts are quiet, the staff are redeployed to other
tasks. They are basically trained to do everything.



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On Thursday, 4 January 2018 09:50:30 UTC, stuart noble wrote:

Why do the media insist on calling Aldi a discount store? I've never
seen "discounted" goods in their stores, and they don't try and
bamboozle you with BOGOF deals, loyalty cards and all that rubbish. In
fact that's probably why they're so successful. That and applying
commonsense to their strategy.
The late Andy Hall must be turning in his grave, having predicted that
the Lidl/Aldi style of retailing would never catch on.


One thing puzzles me about them: why no self-service checkouts? They are
cheaper.


But not quick, thus typing up more space.


That space is only used for stock in our new aldi.

Given that *all* Aldi staff (including managers) are expected to pitch
in and run checkouts as necessary, and that you are expected to pack
*afterwards* and not at the checkout, they make pretty efficient use
of space. If the checkouts are quiet, the staff are redeployed to other
tasks. They are basically trained to do everything.



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We've only been in the local Aldi once, in search of decaf coffee,
which they didn't have, so we left. There isn't a local Lidl.


You saved yourself from some horrid coffee.

I share ground coffee and an aeropress with a chap at one of my
customers, I know he tends to shop at lidaldi, my opinion is that I'm
going to the hassle of fresh coffee because I want *nice* coffee, once
he decided to buy some 'Belarom' coffee, after one taste it went in the
bin, even he described it as floor sweepings.

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You saved yourself from some horrid coffee.


Untrue, though I have never tried decaff. I like a good coffee and bulk
buy at Aldi as I have done for many years.
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Andy Burns pretended :
You saved yourself from some horrid coffee.


Untrue, though I have never tried decaff. I like a good coffee and bulk
buy at Aldi as I have done for many years.


I think the one full-caff he bought was Lidl rather than Aldi (searching
for Bellarom seems to confirm it) I suppose my colleague wanted to like
it and I didn't expect to, but we both hated it, enough to throw it away.



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We've only been in the local Aldi once, in search of decaf coffee,
which they didn't have, so we left. There isn't a local Lidl.


You saved yourself from some horrid coffee.


Yep

I quite happily buy cheap supermarket freeze dried coffee

but the Aldi variant was awful

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We've only been in the local Aldi once, in search of decaf coffee,
which they didn't have, so we left. There isn't a local Lidl.


You saved yourself from some horrid coffee.


Yep

I quite happily buy cheap supermarket freeze dried coffee

but the Aldi variant was awful

tim


I tried it once, it was disgusting.
Two years ago the wife mistakenly bought a jar of it. It is still in the
cupboard - unopened.


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On 04/01/2018 12:20, Andy Burns wrote:
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We've only been in the local Aldi once, in search of decaf coffee,
which they didn't have, so we left. There isn't a local Lidl.


You saved yourself from some horrid coffee.


+1 but no worse than some of the offerings from the other major
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Huge was thinking very hard :
An idea that would stop me going there. We've only been in the local
Aldi once, in search of decaf coffee, which they didn't have, so
we left.


It works rather well, the checkouts become busy, they put more tills
on. As it quietens, staff are diverted to topping shelves up. All staff
wear a communication system so can quickly help each other out. I find
them usually quicker than Tesco/ASDA/Sainsbury etc..
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Huge was thinking very hard :
An idea that would stop me going there. We've only been in the local
Aldi once, in search of decaf coffee, which they didn't have, so
we left.


It works rather well, the checkouts become busy, they put more tills on.
As it quietens, staff are diverted to topping shelves up. All staff wear a
communication system so can quickly help each other out. I find them
usually quicker than Tesco/ASDA/Sainsbury etc..


I don't with the operations with self checkouts.

It's the main thing I don't like about Aldi, no self checkouts.



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