"Bob Martin" wrote in message
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in 1651939 20171216 002254 "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
Yes. People who complain about immigration are often branded racist. My
concern (other than sheer numbers) is not about colour of skin or
country of origin, but about culture. Some cultures are very close to
ours, some are more distant, but integrate well, others just don't fit
in at all.

Although generally immigrants from the EU are rather closer culture wise
to the UK than from many other sources.

From recent experience my local hospital (one of the 5 biggest
in the country) would not function without the other-EU people.

Sure, but Britain out of the EU is free to allow those that are
useful to continue to immigrate, just like Britain has always done.

Also, in general they are more polite and friendly than the natives.

Havent seen any evidence of that in that magnificent doco series,
24 Hours in Emergency.

In article ,
Handsome Jack wrote:
And the idea that UK born unemployed will step in to
cover those jobs just rubbish.

Why? It is true that there is a shortage of English doctors, but why
would unskilled English people not want to be porters or administrative
staff?

For exactly the same reason they're not doing it now. Or perhaps you think
this Tory government are going to give big enough pay rises in those
positions to make them super attractive?

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On 16/12/2017 17:30, Handsome Jack wrote:
but why
would unskilled English people not want to be porters or administrative
staff?

Because they get as much (if not more) in dole and benefits?

Anecdote : -
I worked in a hotel for a while between having to pay full rent and
travel expenses etc I was actually worse of (pennies but still) than if
I was getting full benefits, rent rebate etc for not working plus I'd
have 40 hours a week for side jobs or sitting on my arse . I am not
that type of person though and continued to work for less money than if
I wasn't. Luckily this was only short term I would hate to have to rely
on low wages/benefits full time.

In article ,
soup wrote:
On 16/12/2017 17:30, Handsome Jack wrote:
but why
would unskilled English people not want to be porters or administrative
staff?

Because they get as much (if not more) in dole and benefits?

Anecdote : -
I worked in a hotel for a while between having to pay full rent and
travel expenses etc I was actually worse of (pennies but still) than if
I was getting full benefits, rent rebate etc for not working plus I'd
have 40 hours a week for side jobs or sitting on my arse . I am not
that type of person though and continued to work for less money than if
I wasn't. Luckily this was only short term I would hate to have to rely
on low wages/benefits full time.

Even more so if the job has anti-social hours.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bob Martin wrote:
in 1651939 20171216 002254 "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:
In article , Steve Walker
wrote:
Yes. People who complain about immigration are often branded racist.
My concern (other than sheer numbers) is not about colour of skin or
country of origin, but about culture. Some cultures are very close to
ours, some are more distant, but integrate well, others just don't
fit in at all.

Although generally immigrants from the EU are rather closer culture
wise to the UK than from many other sources.

From recent experience my local hospital (one of the 5 biggest in the
country) would not function without the other-EU people. Also, in
general they are more polite and friendly than the natives.

My impression is much of London would grind to
a halt if all EU immigrants suddenly went home.

Corse it wouldn’t, it would still cripple along anyway.

But that is never a possibility anyway, you stupid remoaning liar.

And the idea that UK born unemployed will
step in to cover those jobs just rubbish.

Having fun thrashing yet another straw man, remoaner ?

What's more with an aging population things will get worse if
those racists who want 'England for the English' get their way.

Having fun thrashing yet another straw man, remoaner ?

On 17/12/2017 00:36, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
soup wrote:
On 16/12/2017 17:30, Handsome Jack wrote:
but why
would unskilled English people not want to be porters or administrative
staff?

Because they get as much (if not more) in dole and benefits?

Anecdote : -
I worked in a hotel for a while between having to pay full rent and
travel expenses etc I was actually worse of (pennies but still) than if
I was getting full benefits, rent rebate etc for not working plus I'd
have 40 hours a week for side jobs or sitting on my arse . I am not
that type of person though and continued to work for less money than if
I wasn't. Luckily this was only short term I would hate to have to rely
on low wages/benefits full time.

Even more so if the job has anti-social hours.


Well, there's the rub. Why should the idle be able to enjoy the freedoms
of social hours?

In article ,
Richard wrote:
On 17/12/2017 00:36, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
soup wrote:
On 16/12/2017 17:30, Handsome Jack wrote:
but why
would unskilled English people not want to be porters or administrative
staff?

Because they get as much (if not more) in dole and benefits?

Anecdote : -
I worked in a hotel for a while between having to pay full rent and
travel expenses etc I was actually worse of (pennies but still) than if
I was getting full benefits, rent rebate etc for not working plus I'd
have 40 hours a week for side jobs or sitting on my arse . I am not
that type of person though and continued to work for less money than if
I wasn't. Luckily this was only short term I would hate to have to rely
on low wages/benefits full time.

Even more so if the job has anti-social hours.


Well, there's the rub. Why should the idle be able to enjoy the freedoms
of social hours?

There is the rub. EU immigrants seem to be happy to do those jobs. Without
them, do you intend forcing any UK unemployed to do them?

Of course a true Tory would think this approach will work.

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On 17/12/2017 12:13, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Richard wrote:
On 17/12/2017 00:36, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
soup wrote:
On 16/12/2017 17:30, Handsome Jack wrote:
but why
would unskilled English people not want to be porters or administrative
staff?

Because they get as much (if not more) in dole and benefits?

Anecdote : -
I worked in a hotel for a while between having to pay full rent and
travel expenses etc I was actually worse of (pennies but still) than if
I was getting full benefits, rent rebate etc for not working plus I'd
have 40 hours a week for side jobs or sitting on my arse . I am not
that type of person though and continued to work for less money than if
I wasn't. Luckily this was only short term I would hate to have to rely
on low wages/benefits full time.

Even more so if the job has anti-social hours.


Well, there's the rub. Why should the idle be able to enjoy the freedoms
of social hours?

There is the rub. EU immigrants seem to be happy to do those jobs. Without
them, do you intend forcing any UK unemployed to do them?

Of course a true Tory would think this approach will work.


Where did I say anything of the sort?
I simply asked why the idle should be able to enjoy the freedoms of
social hours?
Your response is typically that of a "socialist".

In article ,
Richard wrote:
Well, there's the rub. Why should the idle be able to enjoy the
freedoms
of social hours?

There is the rub. EU immigrants seem to be happy to do those jobs.
Without them, do you intend forcing any UK unemployed to do them?

Of course a true Tory would think this approach will work.


Where did I say anything of the sort? I simply asked why the idle should
be able to enjoy the freedoms of social hours? Your response is
typically that of a "socialist".

Typical Tory response. Zero thought about practice. Just the usual airy
fairy stuff. Boris and Rees-Mogg would be proud of you.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Richard wrote:
On 17/12/2017 00:36, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
soup wrote:
On 16/12/2017 17:30, Handsome Jack wrote:
but why
would unskilled English people not want to be porters or
administrative
staff?

Because they get as much (if not more) in dole and benefits?

Anecdote : -
I worked in a hotel for a while between having to pay full rent and
travel expenses etc I was actually worse of (pennies but still) than
if
I was getting full benefits, rent rebate etc for not working plus I'd
have 40 hours a week for side jobs or sitting on my arse . I am not
that type of person though and continued to work for less money than
if
I wasn't. Luckily this was only short term I would hate to have to
rely
on low wages/benefits full time.

Even more so if the job has anti-social hours.


Well, there's the rub. Why should the idle be able to enjoy the freedoms
of social hours?

There is the rub. EU immigrants seem to be happy to do those jobs.

Because they can't put their hand out for benefits that pay
more than when working, back where they are coming from.

Without them,

Yet another straw man.

do you intend forcing any UK unemployed to do them?

That’s what britain should be doing.

Of course a true Tory would think this approach will work.

It clearly does with those EUians.

On Saturday, 16 December 2017 03:23:33 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Friday, 15 December 2017 00:47:21 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 14/12/2017 00:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Are you in denial that a housing shortage contributes to sleeping
rough?

I'm not in denial, no. But you obviously are. I'll give you the same
advice as I gave harry. Find out why many people sleep rough
yourself. It
would be quite an eye opener for the likes of you.


That's a classic Dave reply. Deliberately missing the point. You should
have worked your way up the union Dave and become a Labour MP.

I'll say the same to you, then. Find out the reasons why people sleep
rough.

There are many reasons

Nope, just a few. Some prefer to spend what income they have
on drugs/booze etc. Plenty arent prepared to tolerate the rules
that the 'homeless shelters' impose on grog and drugs. Some
detest the dregs that end up in 'homeless shelters'. There just
arent enough 'homeless shelter' places for those who are
prepared to use them and few allow anyone to stay forever.
Some are quite literally barking mad and can't manage
even the most basic stuff. Plenty are so bad no one is
interested letting them couch surf.

So many reasons then not just one or two or even 3.
Also some because of sexual abuse, some can;t sleep due to being light sleepers (this also happens in hospitals).


but should the number of rough sleepers be increasing like it is.

Corse it should when the numbers of those I listed increases.

it's the ones that aren't listed which is of concern because of they aren/t listed you can't take them into account. illegal immigrants and those mental patients released into the community that can't cope alone.

On Saturday, 16 December 2017 04:43:54 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message

You;re only considers homeless if someone sees you in the street sleeping
rough,

Not if you are just blotto in the gutter, yet again, like you always are.

Clueless again as usual.


if a person is walking the streets they aren't counted as rough sleepers
or
homeless either. If you're living in a squat you aren't classed as
homeless either.


Most of those on a waiting list who do eventually get some form of social
housing then act responsibly

What of the ~800 that have been on westminster's homeless
that have been on the list for a decade or more. ?

They're the ones that choose to exist like that.

How do you work that out ?
Ah you can't, same old storey.



- like making sure the rent is paid etc -
even if it does come from universal credit etc.

Difficult to make sure the rent is paid if you lose your
job and it takes the weeks to apply for housing credit.

Nope, you use the credit card you havent stupidly maxed out.

and that's how it gets maxed out so you then go for a payday loan, this is how they get you when you run out of money.



Many rough sleepers simply ain't up to the responsibility of looking
after
their own affairs.

Yes I know but they are still homeless if they are rough sleepers,

Nope, just voluntarily rough sleepers most of them.

what makes you think that, Oh I forgot you can't think.

most do have problems that they can't solve, for
a start they can't get a job without a home address.

Thats complete drivel too with casual work.

Ypu wonl;t be able to regurly pay the rent or a morgage from casual work.
The only work you;'ll get is unrelaible and poorly paid if you havent; got an adress.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Saturday, 16 December 2017 03:23:33 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Friday, 15 December 2017 00:47:21 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 14/12/2017 00:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Are you in denial that a housing shortage contributes to sleeping
rough?

I'm not in denial, no. But you obviously are. I'll give you the
same
advice as I gave harry. Find out why many people sleep rough
yourself. It
would be quite an eye opener for the likes of you.


That's a classic Dave reply. Deliberately missing the point. You
should
have worked your way up the union Dave and become a Labour MP.

I'll say the same to you, then. Find out the reasons why people sleep
rough.

There are many reasons

Nope, just a few. Some prefer to spend what income they have
on drugs/booze etc. Plenty arent prepared to tolerate the rules
that the 'homeless shelters' impose on grog and drugs. Some
detest the dregs that end up in 'homeless shelters'. There just
arent enough 'homeless shelter' places for those who are
prepared to use them and few allow anyone to stay forever.
Some are quite literally barking mad and can't manage
even the most basic stuff. Plenty are so bad no one is
interested letting them couch surf.

So many reasons

Nope, just a few.

then not just one or two or even 3.

Also some because of sexual abuse, some can;t sleep due
to being light sleepers (this also happens in hospitals).

Even sillier than you usually manage and thats saying something.

Much harder to sleep in some doorway with everyone
wandering past than back at home, stupid.

but should the number of rough sleepers be increasing like it is.

Corse it should when the numbers of those I listed increases.

it's the ones that aren't listed which is of concern

Nope, not when what's listed is the TYPE of rough sleepers.

because of they aren/t listed you can't take them into account.

Even sillier than you usually manage and thats saying something.

illegal immigrants and those mental patients
released into the community that can't cope alone.

No one has a register of all rough sleepers, stupid.

All of your **** flushed where it belongs

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, 16 December 2017 04:43:54 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message

You;re only considers homeless if someone sees you in the street
sleeping
rough,

Not if you are just blotto in the gutter, yet again, like you always are.

if a person is walking the streets they aren't counted as rough
sleepers
or
homeless either. If you're living in a squat you aren't classed as
homeless either.


Most of those on a waiting list who do eventually get some form of
social
housing then act responsibly

What of the ~800 that have been on westminster's homeless
that have been on the list for a decade or more. ?

They're the ones that choose to exist like that.

How do you work that out ?

Its obvious. No one held a gun to their head and forced them to do that.

- like making sure the rent is paid etc -
even if it does come from universal credit etc.

Difficult to make sure the rent is paid if you lose your
job and it takes the weeks to apply for housing credit.

Nope, you use the credit card you havent stupidly maxed out.

and that's how it gets maxed out

Nope, couple of weeks rent wont do that.

Many rough sleepers simply ain't up to the responsibility of looking
after
their own affairs.

Yes I know but they are still homeless if they are rough sleepers,

Nope, just voluntarily rough sleepers most of them.

most do have problems that they can't solve, for
a start they can't get a job without a home address.

Thats complete drivel too with casual work.

Ypu wonl;t be able to regurly pay the rent or a morgage from casual work.

Even sillier than you usually manage and thats saying something.

The only work you;'ll get is unrelaible and poorly paid if you havent; got
an adress.

Even sillier than you usually manage and thats saying something.

On 15/12/2017 10:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
And I'll give you another clue. You'll find rough sleepers in places
where there isn't a housing shortage.

My only prejudice is you have denied a housing shortage contributes to
sleeping rough.


Pedantic as ever. You don't care a stuff about the reasons the majority
sleep rough.

You don't have a clue.

But just want a possible minority reason to be the important
one. For the obvious reason.

You seem to be in denial that demand for housing, largely through
immigration has made homes unaffordable for many.

The housing shortage effects far more deserving cases than rough sleepers.
Let's get that sorted first.

That's quite a statement from you. Are you normally this insensitive to
peoples' plights? Is it a Remoan thing?

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
Pedantic as ever. You don't care a stuff about the reasons the majority
sleep rough.

You don't have a clue.

But just want a possible minority reason to be the important
one. For the obvious reason.

You seem to be in denial that demand for housing, largely through
immigration has made homes unaffordable for many.

And you really think someone sleeping rough is in a position to either buy
or rent at market cost?

As i said. You really really do need to get out more.

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In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
The housing shortage effects far more deserving cases than rough
sleepers. Let's get that sorted first.

That's quite a statement from you. Are you normally this insensitive to
peoples' plights? Is it a Remoan thing?

Being a remain type seems to include a degree of practicality. Sort the
major problems in an area before dealing with a much smaller and tricky
one.

But then as a Brexiteer I'd expect you to not understand this. And cry
crocodile tears over those you think may give you some sort of political
advantage by doing so.

But you could be a little less obvious about it.

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On Monday, 18 December 2017 17:09:50 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, 16 December 2017 03:23:33 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Friday, 15 December 2017 00:47:21 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 14/12/2017 00:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Are you in denial that a housing shortage contributes to sleeping
rough?

I'm not in denial, no. But you obviously are. I'll give you the
same
advice as I gave harry. Find out why many people sleep rough
yourself. It
would be quite an eye opener for the likes of you.


That's a classic Dave reply. Deliberately missing the point. You
should
have worked your way up the union Dave and become a Labour MP.

I'll say the same to you, then. Find out the reasons why people sleep
rough.

There are many reasons

Nope, just a few. Some prefer to spend what income they have
on drugs/booze etc. Plenty arent prepared to tolerate the rules
that the 'homeless shelters' impose on grog and drugs. Some
detest the dregs that end up in 'homeless shelters'. There just
arent enough 'homeless shelter' places for those who are
prepared to use them and few allow anyone to stay forever.
Some are quite literally barking mad and can't manage
even the most basic stuff. Plenty are so bad no one is
interested letting them couch surf.

So many reasons

Nope, just a few.

as clueless as usual.

What about these kids you buy houses for why can;t their parents do it for them.


then not just one or two or even 3.

Also some because of sexual abuse, some can;t sleep due
to being light sleepers (this also happens in hospitals).

Even sillier than you usually manage and thats saying something.

I;ve a friend that was an out reach worker for few months.


Much harder to sleep in some doorway with everyone
wandering past than back at home, stupid.

You don't always get people sleeping in doorways, underpasses, piers, sheds gardens all sorts of places, I've seem a tent pitched on a railway embankment where it was flat enough.
You also need to understand what 'back at home means' is a hostal a home is a squat a home.



but should the number of rough sleepers be increasing like it is.

Corse it should when the numbers of those I listed increases.

it's the ones that aren't listed which is of concern

Nope, not when what's listed is the TYPE of rough sleepers.

What do you mean by type ?


because of they aren/t listed you can't take them into account.

Even sillier than you usually manage and thats saying something.

So how do you take into account those that aren;t on a list. ?


illegal immigrants and those mental patients
released into the community that can't cope alone.

No one has a register of all rough sleepers, stupid.

I kln ow I've just told you that.

On Monday, 18 December 2017 17:09:50 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
All of your **** flushed where it belongs

directly followed by your head.

Some drunk desperately cowering behind
whisky-dave
desperately attempted to bull**** its way
out of its predicament and fooled absolutely
no one at all, as always.

Some drunk desperately cowering behind
whisky-dave
desperately attempted to bull**** its way
out of its predicament and fooled absolutely
no one at all, as always.

"Dave Plowman (News)" posted
In article ,
Handsome Jack wrote:
And the idea that UK born unemployed will step in to
cover those jobs just rubbish.

Why? It is true that there is a shortage of English doctors, but why
would unskilled English people not want to be porters or administrative
staff?

For exactly the same reason they're not doing it now.

They *are* doing it now, when they can get those jobs. But they can't
always get them because there are far more people competing for the
positions than there are vacancies.

--
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In article ,
Handsome Jack wrote:
Why? It is true that there is a shortage of English doctors, but why
would unskilled English people not want to be porters or administrative
staff?

For exactly the same reason they're not doing it now.

They *are* doing it now, when they can get those jobs. But they can't
always get them because there are far more people competing for the
positions than there are vacancies.

Wouldn't you think a foreigner with rather obviously not so good English
as a native and no employment history/qualifications you could easily
check rather at a disadvantage in a straight 'fight'?

The reason we hear time and time again is EU immigrants going for this
sort of job tend to be rather better at it than someone the job centre
forces to apply.

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On Wednesday, 20 December 2017 00:52:32 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Handsome Jack wrote:
Why? It is true that there is a shortage of English doctors, but why
would unskilled English people not want to be porters or administrative
staff?

For exactly the same reason they're not doing it now.

They *are* doing it now, when they can get those jobs. But they can't
always get them because there are far more people competing for the
positions than there are vacancies.

Wouldn't you think a foreigner with rather obviously not so good English
as a native and no employment history/qualifications you could easily
check rather at a disadvantage in a straight 'fight'?

What makes you think it is a straight fight ?


The reason we hear time and time again is EU immigrants going for this
sort of job tend to be rather better at it than someone the job centre
forces to apply.

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In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
Wouldn't you think a foreigner with rather obviously not so good
English as a native and no employment history/qualifications you could
easily check rather at a disadvantage in a straight 'fight'?

What makes you think it is a straight fight ?

It's not. The average unemployed English born simply doesn't want that
type of job regardless.

Giving the lie to the Express headlines of EU citizens taking 'our' jobs.

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On Wednesday, 20 December 2017 14:40:54 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
Wouldn't you think a foreigner with rather obviously not so good
English as a native and no employment history/qualifications you could
easily check rather at a disadvantage in a straight 'fight'?

What makes you think it is a straight fight ?

It's not. The average unemployed English born simply doesn't want that
type of job regardless.

What makes yuo think thats as since the BREXIT vote there's less people coming to the UK and we know foreigners have left the UK and unemployment has gone down so someone must have taken those jobs that the British won't do.



Giving the lie to the Express headlines of EU citizens taking 'our' jobs.

But that is partly true, it would have happened to a friend of mine and it did in the end, but at least he got £10K for unfair dismisal.

On 20/12/2017 15:45, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 December 2017 14:40:54 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
Wouldn't you think a foreigner with rather obviously not so good
English as a native and no employment history/qualifications you could
easily check rather at a disadvantage in a straight 'fight'?

What makes you think it is a straight fight ?

It's not. The average unemployed English born simply doesn't want that
type of job regardless.

What makes yuo think thats as since the BREXIT vote there's less people coming to the UK and we know foreigners have left the UK and unemployment has gone down so someone must have taken those jobs that the British won't do.

Not only that, but by not importing workers to do jobs that Brits don't
want, the options become to do without or to increase wages, so that
Brits can actually be better off working and decide that they will do them.

In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
What makes yuo think thats as since the BREXIT vote there's less
people coming to the UK and we know foreigners have left the UK and
unemployment has gone down so someone must have taken those jobs that
the British won't do.

Not only that, but by not importing workers to do jobs that Brits don't
want, the options become to do without or to increase wages, so that
Brits can actually be better off working and decide that they will do
them.

That's going to go down well with the average Tory. Big increases in wages
for the unskilled. But out of the EU they can do what they always wanted
to and abolish all forms of social security. They've already indicated
they want to get rid of the EU directive on working hours. That's really
going to temp the unemployed back to work.

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In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 15/12/2017 10:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
And I'll give you another clue. You'll find rough sleepers in places
where there isn't a housing shortage.

My only prejudice is you have denied a housing shortage contributes to
sleeping rough.


Pedantic as ever. You don't care a stuff about the reasons the majority
sleep rough.

You don't have a clue.

But just want a possible minority reason to be the important
one. For the obvious reason.

You seem to be in denial that demand for housing, largely through
immigration has made homes unaffordable for many.

The housing shortage effects far more deserving cases than rough
sleepers. Let's get that sorted first.

That's quite a statement from you. Are you normally this insensitive to
peoples' plights? Is it a Remoan thing?

As one who claims to be concerned about rough sleepers as a priority - and
rather obviously a Brexit nutter too, you might ponder this. :-

Estimated cost to end rough sleeping - £180m

Estimated cost to change passport from EU to UK - £480m

Sleep well this Xmas.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 15/12/2017 10:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
And I'll give you another clue. You'll find rough sleepers in places
where there isn't a housing shortage.

My only prejudice is you have denied a housing shortage contributes to
sleeping rough.


Pedantic as ever. You don't care a stuff about the reasons the majority
sleep rough.

You don't have a clue.

But just want a possible minority reason to be the important
one. For the obvious reason.

You seem to be in denial that demand for housing, largely through
immigration has made homes unaffordable for many.

The housing shortage effects far more deserving cases than rough
sleepers. Let's get that sorted first.

That's quite a statement from you. Are you normally this insensitive to
peoples' plights? Is it a Remoan thing?

As one who claims to be concerned about rough sleepers as a priority - and
rather obviously a Brexit nutter too, you might ponder this. :-

Estimated cost to end rough sleeping - £180m

Straight from someone's arse. Spending that wouldn't end it.

Estimated cost to change passport from EU to UK - £480m

And it remains to be seen if that is much better but that is clearly
possible.

On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 13:05:21 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Estimated cost to change passport from EU to UK - £480m

Blimey Dave! Who arrived at that figure? Diane Abbot?? :-D
Seriously, show us a breakdown. Half a billion demands a break-down. We
do charge for those things, you know. They don't get dished out for free
(unless you're a Somali terrorist, of course).



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says...


Estimated cost to change passport from EU to UK - £480m


Why?

The present EU model is still valid and will continue to be
until the original expiry date.

If you want another passport you will have to renew it in the
same way and the only thing that will change are the colour of
the cover and a few word - mainly deletions.

Both befrore and after Brexit, new supplies of passports will
have to be ordered by The Passport Office at regular
intervals, so the changes should cost nothingpence to apply.


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On 23/12/2017 13:05, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 15/12/2017 10:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
And I'll give you another clue. You'll find rough sleepers in places
where there isn't a housing shortage.

My only prejudice is you have denied a housing shortage contributes to
sleeping rough.


Pedantic as ever. You don't care a stuff about the reasons the majority
sleep rough.

You don't have a clue.

But just want a possible minority reason to be the important
one. For the obvious reason.

You seem to be in denial that demand for housing, largely through
immigration has made homes unaffordable for many.

The housing shortage effects far more deserving cases than rough
sleepers. Let's get that sorted first.

That's quite a statement from you. Are you normally this insensitive to
peoples' plights? Is it a Remoan thing?

As one who claims to be concerned about rough sleepers as a priority - and
rather obviously a Brexit nutter too, you might ponder this. :-

Estimated cost to end rough sleeping - £180m

Not very strong with Maths, are we? Do you really believe that this is
the cost of ENDING it? Did granddad Jeremy say so? It must be true then.

"Dave Plowman (News)" posted
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
What makes yuo think thats as since the BREXIT vote there's less
people coming to the UK and we know foreigners have left the UK and
unemployment has gone down so someone must have taken those jobs that
the British won't do.

Not only that, but by not importing workers to do jobs that Brits don't
want, the options become to do without or to increase wages, so that
Brits can actually be better off working and decide that they will do
them.

That's going to go down well with the average Tory. Big increases in wages
for the unskilled.

I'm not sure why you think we care what goes down well with "the average
Tory".

But out of the EU they can do what they always wanted
to and abolish all forms of social security. They've already indicated
they want to get rid of the EU directive on working hours. That's really
going to temp the unemployed back to work.

I don't suppose it'll make any difference, since most of them are only
ever offered short-hours jobs anyway.

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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Cursitor Doom
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 13:05:21 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Estimated cost to change passport from EU to UK - £480m

Blimey Dave! Who arrived at that figure? Diane Abbot?? :-D Seriously,
show us a breakdown. Half a billion demands a break-down. We do charge
for those things, you know. They don't get dished out for free (unless
you're a Somali terrorist, of course).

Dave is talking complete cock.

FACT: the existing passport contract expires in 2019. When that
contract was awarded in, I dunno, 2014, it was worth some £400M and was
for design and provision of passports for 5 years.

FACT: in 2019 a new contract will have to be awarded, again for design
and provision of passports for 5 years. New security measures will have
to be designed in and that contract will be for the sum given above,
more or less.

FACT: changing the colour of the passport and removal of "European
Union" from the front cover will be done as part of the design process
for the new passports.

FACT: whether we leave the EU or not, and whether we change the colour
or not, has NO effect on the cost of the contract.

FACT: Dave has simply bought into a lie that has been doing the rounds
on Twitter (at least) during the last day or so and which has been
thoroughly proved to be FAKE NEWS.

Tee-Hee. Thought it would bring the like of you out in righteous
indignation.

Now give the true cost of this wonderful happening. Unless you think a
re-design is free, of course. But then I doubt you care.

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On Saturday, 23 December 2017 13:05:31 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 15/12/2017 10:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
And I'll give you another clue. You'll find rough sleepers in places
where there isn't a housing shortage.

My only prejudice is you have denied a housing shortage contributes to
sleeping rough.


Pedantic as ever. You don't care a stuff about the reasons the majority
sleep rough.

You don't have a clue.

But just want a possible minority reason to be the important
one. For the obvious reason.

You seem to be in denial that demand for housing, largely through
immigration has made homes unaffordable for many.

The housing shortage effects far more deserving cases than rough
sleepers. Let's get that sorted first.

That's quite a statement from you. Are you normally this insensitive to
peoples' plights? Is it a Remoan thing?

As one who claims to be concerned about rough sleepers as a priority - and
rather obviously a Brexit nutter too, you might ponder this. :-

Estimated cost to end rough sleeping - £180m

Estimated cost to change passport from EU to UK - £480m



Drivel.
New passports will be issued as the old ones expire/are renewed.
**** the rough sleepers.
They got onto drugs/alcohol of their own violition.

In article ,
harry wrote:
As one who claims to be concerned about rough sleepers as a priority - and
rather obviously a Brexit nutter too, you might ponder this. :-

Estimated cost to end rough sleeping - £180m

Estimated cost to change passport from EU to UK - £480m



Drivel.
New passports will be issued as the old ones expire/are renewed.
**** the rough sleepers.
They got onto drugs/alcohol of their own violition.

Good ol' harry. The spirit of Xmas alive and well.

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On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 21:38:32 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:


Dave is talking complete cock.

FACT:
FACT:
FACT:
FACT:

That's a bit unfair, Tim. Dave is not accustomed to having to deal with
facts.




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On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 15:36:11 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

He prolly too busy washing the egg off his face at the minute.

Well, at least he's had plenty of practice.



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