On 15/08/2016 13:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Does that include parking across your drive so you can't get your car
in or out? I know that you can't lay claim to the road *opposite* or
*either side of* your drive.

If your driveway has a dropped kerb, it must not be obstructed.

Yes - at one time you paid extra rates for this. Dunno if it applies with
the council tax.

West Sussex County Council charge over £700 to approve a dropped kerb
application.

On 15/08/2016 13:14, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim+ wrote:
Council however reported it to DVLA because it's SORNed and on the
public road, but DLVA did nothing.

I thought it was an offence to have a car on a public road without an
MOT?

It certainly is with no VED paid. Think it has to be insured too. But no
MOT may only be an offence if driven.

How do you insure a car without an MOT ?.

On 8/15/2016 1:13 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
Would love to know how to get rid of an abandoned car in the road,
where we are short of parking places. Not MoT'ed and SORN'ed.
Been there for 18 months. Interior now all gone moldy.

Council slapped a removal notice on it, but owners contacted them
and said they hoped to get it working again, which technically
means it's not abandoned, so council can't remove it.

Council however reported it to DVLA because it's SORNed and on the
public road, but DLVA did nothing.

A local policeman also tried to get it removed, but couldn't find
any way to do so and gave up.

Use a trolley jack to move it into the middle of the road. Then complain.

Is this a private road?

I'd also contact the DVLA myself. SORN means kept *off* the public roads,
so no VED payable. If it is on a public road VED is applicable even if it
never moves an inch.


Also, if the DVLA argument is that it is not actually a car at the
moment (so that they can ignore the obvious offences) then surely it is
an obstruction on the public highway. Unless of course it is a private
road, in which case surely the landowners can remove it after giving
suitable notice.

On 15/08/2016 14:11, Andrew wrote:
On 15/08/2016 13:14, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim+ wrote:
Council however reported it to DVLA because it's SORNed and on the
public road, but DLVA did nothing.

I thought it was an offence to have a car on a public road without an
MOT?

It certainly is with no VED paid. Think it has to be insured too. But no
MOT may only be an offence if driven.

How do you insure a car without an MOT ?.

One very common way is to go to one of the comparison websites, fill in
your details, pick an insurer, accept the contract, and pay them some money.

Alternatively one can go direct to an insurer, eg Direct Line, or to a
physical broker.

And of course accepting the current insurance company's quote for a renewal.

The process is identical to insuring a car with an MOT, because no
insurance company requires an MOT to issue insurance.

Tax OTOH...

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 14:06:57 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 14/08/2016 23:04, James Wilkinson wrote:

Only if you're a stupid pedant. Most people are sensible enough to
avoid parking in front of a DRIVEWAY, not a dropped kerb.

If there is no dropped kerb, then you are not causing any
obstruction.

You are obstructing the DRIVEWAY. The lowered kerb is a convenience for the householder only. You are a stupid ****ing retard and don't deserve to drive a car.

In fact I would intentionally park across a driveway that
has been built without a dropped kerb just to make a point
that the house owner is a cheapskate.

Do that to me and your car gets keyed (or worse). Grow up.

--
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On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:18:20 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

On 15/08/2016 00:57, James Wilkinson wrote:

Only in the snobbiest towns would anyone do anything about you driving
over your own section of pavement. Why do you think those little ramps
sell so well?


If you find one of those hazards while you are driving you take it to
the tip.
If it reappears you get the council to take it to the tip and issue a fine.
There is enough litter about without little ramps being left about.

Don't be so ****ing stupid. They're right next to the kerb.

--
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On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 11:11:31 +0100, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

T i m wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:18:20 +0100, dennis@home
wrote:

On 15/08/2016 00:57, James Wilkinson wrote:

Only in the snobbiest towns would anyone do anything about you driving
over your own section of pavement. Why do you think those little ramps
sell so well?


If you find one of those hazards while you are driving you take it to
the tip.

If it reappears you get the council to take it to the tip and issue a fine.
There is enough litter about without little ramps being left about.

Yup.

"Leaving €˜things (including advertising boards) on the highway

According to the Highways Act 1980 ( Section 148 and Section 149) it
is an offence if €˜a person deposits any thing whatsoever on a highway
to the interruption of any user of the highway without lawful
authority or excuse or if the thing €œconstitutes a nuisance€� €˜ or
constitutes a €œdanger to users of the highway (including a danger
caused by obstructing the view)€� then they they can remove it without
delay and recover the cost of removal from the owner. This can be used
by councils (sometimes) to removed advertising boards."

https://pedestrianliberation.org/the-law-2/

Cheers, T i m


Talking of obstructing the view, there are a few roundabouts near us
which have bushes and trees cultivated on them (they are obviously
maintained, so their presence is not accidental). Not being able to see
over the roundabout is a bit of a bloody nuisance. Do you suppose they
do this on purpose? They seem to like punishing motorists round here.

Send a complaint about the council to the police.

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On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:18:20 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

On 15/08/2016 00:57, James Wilkinson wrote:

Only in the snobbiest towns would anyone do anything about you driving
over your own section of pavement. Why do you think those little ramps
sell so well?


If you find one of those hazards while you are driving you take it to
the tip.
If it reappears you get the council to take it to the tip and issue a fine.
There is enough litter about without little ramps being left about.

If you STOLE mine, I'd fit another and boobytrap it with explosives so I could find out who did it.

--
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On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 12:13:35 +0100, T i m wrote:

On 15 Aug 2016 10:35:38 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 11:25:42 +0100, T i m wrote:

On 15 Aug 2016 09:22:23 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 06:56:45 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 23:04:02 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:34:17 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:
snip

That's daft, it should be "across a driveway". I've seen plenty
dropped kerbs left where there is no longer a driveway, or
driveways where they haven't bothered dropping the kerb.

Which is illegal to drive across.

Yet everyone does it.

Till they are told not to or fined for doing so as it's contrary to
Section 72 of the highways Act 1835.

But look at the Road Traffic Act 1988.

And as I have mentioned elsewhere, that may be only where there has been
some provision for that, like a dropped kerb?

The fact that it's not specifically mentioned may not mean that it can
be assumed to be ok?

I thought one reason it *wasn't* allowed is because of potential damage
to the kerb?

I'm just wonndering if there is something else that allows councils to
insist on it, like a local byelaw that they pretty well all have.

I know some councils have different rules on pavement parking so it's
entirely possible.

Most councils allow it, it makes the roads clearer.

When they wrote to me stating that they believed I had been crossing
the pavement illegally to access my garage (so where did that come
from if I'm allowed to access my own property by crossing the
pavement?).

It's your council being retards. You OWN that pavement, and ALLOW the council to maintain it and ALLOW people to walk along it. But it's YOURS.

I had just put the remains of a car out on the road for collection by
a scrap man and they had noticed that it had no TAX. I wrote back
saying that it didn't have an engine as I had removed it to build a
kit car (so wasn't a 'motor vehicle') and because of the Council
notifying me about not crossing the pavement with anything (including
a sledge I believe), I wasn't able to return it to my own property
when the scrap-man failed to turn up as arranged. I think the best
they could do then was do me for 'obstructing the highway' as I could
for leaving a wheely bin on the road or a skip. I sent them copies of
the councils letters, including my acceptance of their offer to
provide a dropped kerb and it was all dropped. ;-)

If the council want dropped kerbs for driveways, they must pay for it themselves.

--
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On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:30:16 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , James Wilkinson
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 00:27:34 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

Which is illegal to drive across.

Yet everyone does it. There are countless drives like that around here. It
is no more dangerous to anyone to drive over one than a dropped one..

Nothing to do with danger. A dropped kerb implies that the pavement has
been strengthened where it will be driven over, to protect the services
underneath. Not the case where it's not dropped.

Utter bull****. People park on pavements all the time. And pavements
are at least as strong as my driveway.

What an ignorant twerp it is, to be sure.

I'm stating a fact.

--
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Reina de los Angeles de Porciuncula€� and can be
abbreviated to 3.63% of its size, €œL.A.€�

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 10:15:43 +0100, Bob Eager wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 23:06:34 -0700, harry wrote:

On Monday, 15 August 2016 01:37:54 UTC+1, Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 00:27:34 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , James Wilkinson
wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:34:17 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , James Wilkinson
wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:37:03 +0100, Chris French

wrote:

"NY" Wrote in message:
"harry" wrote in message
...
On Sunday, 14 August 2016 16:37:05 UTC+1, James Wilkinson
wrote:
If someone parks in front of your house, simply use a large
power tool such as a brush cutter, and start sending bits of
twig flying everywhere.
The car will get moved very quickly :-)

The road in front of your house is not yours.
Anyone can park there subject to yellow lines etc.

Does that include parking across your drive so you can't get
your car in or out? I know that you can't lay claim to the road
*opposite* or *either side of* your drive.

Well, you can't lay claim to the road, but it is a parking
offence
to leave a vehicle parked across a dropped kerb (introduced in
the 2004 Traffic Management Act)

That's daft, it should be "across a driveway". I've seen plenty
dropped kerbs left where there is no longer a driveway, or
driveways where they haven't bothered dropping the kerb.

Which is illegal to drive across.

Yet everyone does it. There are countless drives like that around
here.
It is no more dangerous to anyone to drive over one than a dropped
one.

Nothing to do with danger. A dropped kerb implies that the pavement
has been strengthened where it will be driven over, to protect the
services underneath. Not the case where it's not dropped.

Yes, very obvious round here where the pavements are badly cracked
where people drive over them. Driveways aren't cracked!



That's due to trucks driving on the pavement.

No it's not. Trucks don't use that road (and there are too many poles at
roadside to let them reach the pavement). We're talking the whole length
of the pavement.

Then the pavement was done on the cheap.

--
Los Angeles's full name is €œEl Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la
Reina de los Angeles de Porciuncula€� and can be
abbreviated to 3.63% of its size, €œL.A.€�

The council here can't be bothered maintaining land, which means I got some for free.


On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:05:03 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

The council do this around here, but seems not to work very well or my
street would be devoid of cars.


Brian



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On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 07:01:48 +0100, harry wrote:

On Sunday, 14 August 2016 19:02:07 UTC+1, NY wrote:
"harry" wrote in message
...
On Sunday, 14 August 2016 16:37:05 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
If someone parks in front of your house, simply use a large power tool
such as a brush cutter, and start sending bits of twig flying everywhere.
The car will get moved very quickly :-)

The road in front of your house is not yours.
Anyone can park there subject to yellow lines etc.

Does that include parking across your drive so you can't get your car in or
out? I know that you can't lay claim to the road *opposite* or *either side
of* your drive.

We have problems with people (relatives visiting to the house opposite) who
choose to park directly opposite our drive rather than a few yards one way
or the other (between our drive and either of our neighbours). It makes it a
bit more difficult to reverse our car onto our drive or to drive it out, but
it's not the end of the world. I asked politely once whether they'd be able
to park a few yards either way, and was told "I'll park wherever I f*cking
like, mate - and don't you f*cking bash my f*cking car". I suspect envy:
although all the houses along our bit of the street used to be council
houses, the ones on the opposite side of the road were built with no drives
(they have a communal car park 100 yards up the road) and those houses are
mainly still owned by the housing association, whereas those on our side
have drives and many were sold off in Maggie's Right to Buy scheme in the
80s.

People that don't have off road places to keep a car shouldn't be allowed to have one.

And what would you do to the morons on my street who have a drive but can't be bothered using it, then park on the other side of the road to everyone else!

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On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 07:09:58 +0100, harry wrote:

On Sunday, 14 August 2016 21:28:12 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 18:05:41 +0100, harry wrote:

On Sunday, 14 August 2016 16:37:05 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
If someone parks in front of your house, simply use a large power tool such as a brush cutter, and start sending bits of twig flying everywhere. The car will get moved very quickly :-)

The road in front of your house is not yours.
Anyone can park there subject to yellow lines etc.

Everybody round here has adequate driveways to park their cars in. Parking on the road is chavvy and inconsiderate.

Parking on the verge is even worse.
You can always tell chavvy areas by the state of the verges.

A better way to tell is the number of broken TVs and sofas sat in gardens.

--
You may be a cunning linguist, but I am a master debater.

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 07:05:35 +0100, harry wrote:

On Monday, 15 August 2016 00:57:16 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 00:27:34 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , James Wilkinson
wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:34:17 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , James Wilkinson
wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:37:03 +0100, Chris French

wrote:

"NY" Wrote in message:
"harry" wrote in message
...
On Sunday, 14 August 2016 16:37:05 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
If someone parks in front of your house, simply use a large power tool
such as a brush cutter, and start sending bits of twig flying
everywhere.
The car will get moved very quickly :-)

The road in front of your house is not yours.
Anyone can park there subject to yellow lines etc.

Does that include parking across your drive so you can't get your car in
or
out? I know that you can't lay claim to the road *opposite* or *either
side
of* your drive.

Well, you can't lay claim to the road, but it is a parking offence
to leave a vehicle parked across a dropped kerb (introduced in
the 2004 Traffic Management Act)

That's daft, it should be "across a driveway". I've seen plenty dropped
kerbs
left where there is no longer a driveway, or driveways where they haven't
bothered dropping the kerb.

Which is illegal to drive across.

Yet everyone does it. There are countless drives like that around here. It
is no more dangerous to anyone to drive over one than a dropped one.

Nothing to do with danger. A dropped kerb implies that the pavement has
been strengthened where it will be driven over, to protect the services
underneath. Not the case where it's not dropped.

Only in the snobbiest towns would anyone do anything about you driving over your own section of pavement. Why do you think those little ramps sell so well?

--
Friends are like condoms: They protect you when things get hard.

It's not your pavement.

It's on my title deed. So is the road in fact.

--
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Her mother replied, "No, you can't play with the boys, they're too rough."
The little girl thought about it for a few moments and asked, "If I can find a smooth one, can I play with him?"

On 15/08/2016 15:22, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 14:06:57 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 14/08/2016 23:04, James Wilkinson wrote:

Only if you're a stupid pedant. Most people are sensible enough to
avoid parking in front of a DRIVEWAY, not a dropped kerb.

If there is no dropped kerb, then you are not causing any
obstruction.

You are obstructing the DRIVEWAY. The lowered kerb is a convenience for
the householder only. You are a stupid ****ing retard and don't deserve
to drive a car.

In fact I would intentionally park across a driveway that
has been built without a dropped kerb just to make a point
that the house owner is a cheapskate.

Do that to me and your car gets keyed (or worse). Grow up.


Then you would end up with a criminal record and I would choose
the most expensive body refinisher to fix my car at your
expense.

If there is NO DROPPED KERB, then you have no legal right to
build a drive and expect legal road users to park for your
convenience. Legal fact. Ask the police if you want confirmation.

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 15:39:58 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 15/08/2016 15:22, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 14:06:57 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 14/08/2016 23:04, James Wilkinson wrote:

Only if you're a stupid pedant. Most people are sensible enough to
avoid parking in front of a DRIVEWAY, not a dropped kerb.

If there is no dropped kerb, then you are not causing any
obstruction.

You are obstructing the DRIVEWAY. The lowered kerb is a convenience for
the householder only. You are a stupid ****ing retard and don't deserve
to drive a car.

In fact I would intentionally park across a driveway that
has been built without a dropped kerb just to make a point
that the house owner is a cheapskate.

Do that to me and your car gets keyed (or worse). Grow up.


Then you would end up with a criminal record and I would choose
the most expensive body refinisher to fix my car at your
expense.

Only if you had proof.

If there is NO DROPPED KERB, then you have no legal right to
build a drive and expect legal road users to park for your
convenience. Legal fact. Ask the police if you want confirmation.

Funny how everybody does it.

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Just the other day, I saw a beggar who was so broke that he was standing on the corner shouting at the cars that went by.
He was shouting, "WILL WORK FOR CARDBOARD AND A MAGIC MARKER!"

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 02:06:58 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"James Wilkinson" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 01:05:21 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"James Wilkinson" wrote in message
news On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 00:18:57 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote

If someone parks in front of your house, simply use a large
power tool such as a brush cutter, and start sending bits of
twig flying everywhere. The car will get moved very quickly :-)

Trouble with that approach is that you have to be out there
ready with the large power tool when the car shows up.

If the car is there when I don't know about it, it doesn't affect
me.

It does if you happen to be on the net when it gets parked there
and notice it parked there once you stop trolling in here.

When I notice it, then I take action to remove it.

But when you notice it there well after the driver has left, a large
power tool such as a brush cutter wont be any use for removing it.

When she's in, she's usually in her living room opposite.

And when she isnt...

Her car gets scratched.

But doesn't get moved.

I don't need it moved.


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Blue means not pregnant.
Pink means pregnant.
Brown means you had it in the wrong hole.

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 02:06:24 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"James Wilkinson" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 01:04:34 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"James Wilkinson" wrote in message
news On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 00:20:45 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"James Wilkinson" wrote in message
news On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:37:13 +0100, Rod Speed

wrote:



"James Wilkinson" wrote in message
news On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:37:03 +0100, Chris French
wrote:

"NY" Wrote in message:
"harry" wrote in message
...
On Sunday, 14 August 2016 16:37:05 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
If someone parks in front of your house, simply use a large
power
tool
such as a brush cutter, and start sending bits of twig flying
everywhere.
The car will get moved very quickly :-)

The road in front of your house is not yours.
Anyone can park there subject to yellow lines etc.

Does that include parking across your drive so you can't get your
car
in
or
out? I know that you can't lay claim to the road *opposite* or
*either
side
of* your drive.

Well, you can't lay claim to the road, but it is a parking offence
to leave a vehicle parked across a dropped kerb (introduced in
the 2004 Traffic Management Act)

That's daft, it should be "across a driveway". I've seen plenty
dropped
kerbs left where there is no longer a driveway, or driveways where
they
haven't bothered dropping the kerb.

The council can ticket it, or potentially get a vehicle removed.
Think for single driveways they tend not to enforce this (s it
may well be the householder or someone with permission.) Unless
the householder specifically complains about it.

(According to our local council when I spoke to them about it re
our driveway).

We quite often get people parking across our drive as we are near
the village shops and there is at times limited parking space.
Normally they are just stopping for a minute or two. Annoying if
you want to get out (though normally we aren't,) but not the end
of the world.

We did call the police one night when someone left their car
parked across it and as it happens my wife was on call (O&G
consultant, if she gets called in in the middle of the night,
it's because someone's birth is going pear shaped in a pretty
big way) . They managed after a while to locate the driver and
get them to move it.

If someone blocked the exit to my drive and I needed to get out
(especially as urgently as your wife), I'd reverse into the
offending
car
and shove it out of my way.

But its unlikely she drives a wreck of a car like
you do given that she needs something reliable.

Reversing a car slowly into the side of another won't damage it,
especially if it has a towbar.

But you wont be able to do that if you have backed your car into your
driveway.

I don't do stupid things like that

And wont work if you don't have a towbar.

The back of a car is still much stronger than the side.

Not necessarily. Modern plastic bumpers don't last long when you
use the car to shove another car out of the way sideways and the
lights are in fact much more expensive to replace than a new door.

I've never ad a problem when someone rams the back of me because they
weren't paying attention.

Sure but that's a separate issue to moving a car parked across your driveway
that way.

It's slower so LESS damage to the back of the car.

And it wouldn't work anyway. Even if you don't care about any damage
to your own car, the car shoved would end up in the middle of the road
and you would be legally liable for any damage that occurs to it.

It shouldn't have been illegally parked in the first place. It's now illegally parked in a different place, so still the ****wit owner's fault.

And only someone with a wreck would use the back of the car to do that
anyway.

Not if they knew it was stronger than the sides.

The back of your own car isnt if you don't have a towbar.

Backs of cars are not designed to compress like the rest.

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Moving further along the lunch line, at the other end of the table was a large pile of chocolate chip cookies. A child had written a note, "Take all you want. god is watching the apples."

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 01:46:29 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

On 14/08/2016 19:15, ARW wrote:
"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"James Wilkinson" writes:
If someone parks in front of your house, simply use a large power
tool such as a brush cutter, and start sending bits of twig flying
everywhere. The car will get moved very quickly :-)

Would love to know how to get rid of an abandoned car in the road,
where we are short of parking places.

When I was a young and stupid teenager I would have moved it for £20
cash and no questions asked.

This is one of those occasions when citizens should act, but
surreptitiously so the authorities aren't forced to act. Have a word in
the ear of the local cops, then late at night pull the car onto a
transporter (smash the glass to release the handbrake and knock it into
neutral) and take it away. The destination is your choice, but if it's
left somewhere where it's causing an obstruction the council will remove
it. A possibility is somewhere along a long straight narrow rural road..

Interesting, I'd never thought of that - a car, no matter what immobilisers it has etc, has no way of preventing theft by towing. Someone with a transporter could easily steal any car they liked. There is nothing to prevent unlocking of all 4 wheels.

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On 15/08/2016 15:32, James Wilkinson wrote:


It's your council being retards. You OWN that pavement, and ALLOW the
council to maintain it and ALLOW people to walk along it. But it's YOURS.


You really are the neighbour from hell !!.. The local authority OWN
the roads and pavements and any grass verge between road and pavement,
(unless your deeds state otherwise or it is an UN-ADOPTED road).

If the council want dropped kerbs for driveways, they must pay for it
themselves.


Nope. YOU have to pay the county council (or what ever authority owns
the roads and pavements) a FEE to approve a dropped kerb. Then YOU
have to PAY an authorised contractor to do the work to the councils
specification, which may required altering highways drainage.

Until you do this anyone can park on that section of road and they
are not causing any obstruction (red/yellow lines apart).

On 15/08/2016 15:27, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:18:20 +0100, dennis@home
wrote:

On 15/08/2016 00:57, James Wilkinson wrote:

Only in the snobbiest towns would anyone do anything about you driving
over your own section of pavement. Why do you think those little ramps
sell so well?


If you find one of those hazards while you are driving you take it to
the tip.
If it reappears you get the council to take it to the tip and issue a
fine.
There is enough litter about without little ramps being left about.

Don't be so ****ing stupid. They're right next to the kerb.


And are illegal, so off to the tip they go. either that or chopped
into bits and chucked into the offending garden.

On 15/08/2016 15:28, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:18:20 +0100, dennis@home
wrote:

On 15/08/2016 00:57, James Wilkinson wrote:

Only in the snobbiest towns would anyone do anything about you driving
over your own section of pavement. Why do you think those little ramps
sell so well?


If you find one of those hazards while you are driving you take it to
the tip.
If it reappears you get the council to take it to the tip and issue a
fine.
There is enough litter about without little ramps being left about.

If you STOLE mine, I'd fit another and boobytrap it with explosives so I
could find out who did it.


Tell us your address and we'll all come round and remove them.

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 15:49:59 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 15/08/2016 15:32, James Wilkinson wrote:


It's your council being retards. You OWN that pavement, and ALLOW the
council to maintain it and ALLOW people to walk along it. But it's YOURS.


You really are the neighbour from hell !!.. The local authority OWN
the roads and pavements and any grass verge between road and pavement,
(unless your deeds state otherwise or it is an UN-ADOPTED road).

Mine state otherwise and I've been told in the legal group that's the norm. Apparently it's easier when building houses to divide up the land to each house, rather than also have strips owned by the council.

If the council want dropped kerbs for driveways, they must pay for it
themselves.

Nope. YOU have to pay the county council (or what ever authority owns
the roads and pavements) a FEE to approve a dropped kerb. Then YOU
have to PAY an authorised contractor to do the work to the councils
specification, which may required altering highways drainage.

IF you want the convenience of not bumping your tyre over the kerb.

Until you do this anyone can park on that section of road and they
are not causing any obstruction (red/yellow lines apart).

They are obstructing you from driving out of your driveway. Refusing to accept it's a driveway because of the height of the kerb is downright childish. Are you one of those clowns that stands on the bridge near me and counts trains?

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On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 15:52:58 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 15/08/2016 15:28, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:18:20 +0100, dennis@home
wrote:

On 15/08/2016 00:57, James Wilkinson wrote:

Only in the snobbiest towns would anyone do anything about you driving
over your own section of pavement. Why do you think those little ramps
sell so well?


If you find one of those hazards while you are driving you take it to
the tip.
If it reappears you get the council to take it to the tip and issue a
fine.
There is enough litter about without little ramps being left about.

If you STOLE mine, I'd fit another and boobytrap it with explosives so I
could find out who did it.


Tell us your address and we'll all come round and remove them.

That would be difficult as I don't have any.

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On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 15:51:32 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 15/08/2016 15:27, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:18:20 +0100, dennis@home
wrote:

On 15/08/2016 00:57, James Wilkinson wrote:

Only in the snobbiest towns would anyone do anything about you driving
over your own section of pavement. Why do you think those little ramps
sell so well?


If you find one of those hazards while you are driving you take it to
the tip.
If it reappears you get the council to take it to the tip and issue a
fine.
There is enough litter about without little ramps being left about.

Don't be so ****ing stupid. They're right next to the kerb.


And are illegal, so off to the tip they go. either that or chopped
into bits and chucked into the offending garden.

If they were illegal, they wouldn't be so prevalent.

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On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 15:59:13 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Andrew
wrote:

On 15/08/2016 15:22, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 14:06:57 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 14/08/2016 23:04, James Wilkinson wrote:

Only if you're a stupid pedant. Most people are sensible enough to
avoid parking in front of a DRIVEWAY, not a dropped kerb.

If there is no dropped kerb, then you are not causing any
obstruction.

You are obstructing the DRIVEWAY. The lowered kerb is a convenience for
the householder only. You are a stupid ****ing retard and don't deserve
to drive a car.

In fact I would intentionally park across a driveway that
has been built without a dropped kerb just to make a point
that the house owner is a cheapskate.

Do that to me and your car gets keyed (or worse). Grow up.


Then you would end up with a criminal record and I would choose
the most expensive body refinisher to fix my car at your
expense.

If there is NO DROPPED KERB, then you have no legal right to
build a drive and expect legal road users to park for your
convenience. Legal fact. Ask the police if you want confirmation.

Correct, legally you can only cross a pavement at a dropped kerb. But
this is too hard for Jimbo to understand.

Most people aren't so stupidly childish to think a dropped kerb would change anything.

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Tim Streater wrote:
I
Correct, legally you can only cross a pavement at a dropped kerb. But
this is too hard for Jimbo to understand.


But not as hard as it seems to be for some folk to realised when they're
being trolled.

Tim

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Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

Talking of obstructing the view, there are a few roundabouts near us
which have bushes and trees cultivated on them (they are obviously
maintained, so their presence is not accidental). Not being able to see
over the roundabout is a bit of a bloody nuisance. Do you suppose they
do this on purpose?

Yes.

Reducing sight lines leads to reduced entry speed and reduced accident
rates (or so it's believed).


Tim

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On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 13:54:40 +0100, "Dan S. MacAbre"
wrote:

Clive George wrote:
On 15/08/2016 11:11, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:

Talking of obstructing the view, there are a few roundabouts near us
which have bushes and trees cultivated on them (they are obviously
maintained, so their presence is not accidental). Not being able to see
over the roundabout is a bit of a bloody nuisance. Do you suppose they
do this on purpose? They seem to like punishing motorists round here.

Yes, it'll be deliberate. Same as the barriers on the central
reservation as you approach a roundabout to stop you seeing it. The idea
is it restricts your visibility, so forces you to slow down - I suspect
this works as intended, reducing accidents.

Maybe, but I think it makes it a bit more dangerous.

Agreed, especially if you are someone who just wants to get on with
it.

The one I have in
mind is a small roundabout; and if you have already had to stop, it's
quite common to pull out into it, thinking (but not really sure) that
it's clear, while someone is just about to appear coming round the
corner to your right. You're committed by now, so all you can do is
keep going. I've never got used to it, and I go across the bloody thing
twice a day :-)

We have something similar with a mini roundabout that was once just a
side road off the high street.

Going South (straight across with the side road to your left) there is
a 'Keep Left' bollard on a small pedestrian island that is right in
the way of most car indicators. This means you have to assume
*everyone* will be turning right in front of you till the very last
second (when you have nearly come to a halt) and you can see their
indicators (previously masked by said bollard).

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 15:58:42 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 15:51:32 +0100, Andrew wrote:
snip

And are illegal, so off to the tip they go. either that or chopped
into bits and chucked into the offending garden.

If they were illegal, they wouldn't be so prevalent.

They are and they aren't ....

"Leaving ‘things’ (including advertising boards) on the highway

According to the Highways Act 1980 ( Section 148 and Section 149) it
is an offence if ‘a person deposits any thing whatsoever on a highway
to the interruption of any user of the highway without lawful
authority or excuse or if the thing “constitutes a nuisance” ‘ or
constitutes a “danger to users of the highway (including a danger
caused by obstructing the view)” then they they can remove it without
delay and recover the cost of removal from the owner. This can be used
by councils (sometimes) to removed advertising boards."

https://pedestrianliberation.org/the-law-2/

Cheers, T i m

Tim+ wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
I
Correct, legally you can only cross a pavement at a dropped kerb. But
this is too hard for Jimbo to understand.


But not as hard as it seems to be for some folk to realised when
they're being trolled.

Tim

It was obvious from the very beginning.

"James Wilkinson" Wrote in message:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:37:03 +0100, Chris French wrote:

"NY" Wrote in message:
"harry" wrote in message
...
On Sunday, 14 August 2016 16:37:05 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
If someone parks in front of your house, simply use a large power tool
such as a brush cutter, and start sending bits of twig flying everywhere.
The car will get moved very quickly :-)

The road in front of your house is not yours.
Anyone can park there subject to yellow lines etc.

Does that include parking across your drive so you can't get your car in or
out? I know that you can't lay claim to the road *opposite* or *either side
of* your drive.

Well, you can't lay claim to the road, but it is a parking offence
to leave a vehicle parked across a dropped kerb (introduced in
the 2004 Traffic Management Act)

That's daft, it should be "across a driveway". I've seen plenty dropped kerbs left where there is no longer a driveway, or driveways where they haven't bothered dropping the kerb.

Nope. It's not just driveways, it's also dropped kerbs for things
like pedestrians to cross the road.

The council can ticket it, or potentially get a vehicle removed.
Think for single driveways they tend not to enforce this (s it
may well be the householder or someone with permission.) Unless
the householder specifically complains about it.

(According to our local council when I spoke to them about it re
our driveway).

We quite often get people parking across our drive as we are near
the village shops and there is at times limited parking space.
Normally they are just stopping for a minute or two. Annoying if
you want to get out (though normally we aren't,) but not the end
of the world.

We did call the police one night when someone left their car
parked across it and as it happens my wife was on call (O&G
consultant, if she gets called in in the middle of the night,
it's because someone's birth is going pear shaped in a pretty
big way) . They managed after a while to locate the driver and
get them to move it.

If someone blocked the exit to my drive and I needed to get out (especially as urgently as your wife), I'd reverse into the offending car and shove it out of my way.

Yes James I'm sure you would, but:

1. I'm not sure how good at shifting a larger car a Yaris would be.
2. We'd rather not cause damage to her car.
3. You probably open yourself to the risk of criminal damage charges.

Chris French

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:34:11 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Tim+ wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
I
Correct, legally you can only cross a pavement at a dropped kerb. But
this is too hard for Jimbo to understand.


But not as hard as it seems to be for some folk to realised when
they're being trolled.

Tim

It was obvious from the very beginning.

Only to someone who doesn't have a clue.

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On 15/08/2016 14:18, Clive George wrote:
The process is identical to insuring a car with an MOT, because no
insurance company requires an MOT to issue insurance.

It has to be possible because you are allowed to drive to and from an
MoT test appointment (within limits).

--
Rod

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:55:58 -0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
Tim+ writes:
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
"James Wilkinson" writes:
If someone parks in front of your house, simply use a large power tool
such as a brush cutter, and start sending bits of twig flying
everywhere. The car will get moved very quickly :-)

Would love to know how to get rid of an abandoned car in the road,
where we are short of parking places. Not MoT'ed and SORN'ed.
Been there for 18 months. Interior now all gone moldy.

Council slapped a removal notice on it, but owners contacted them
and said they hoped to get it working again, which technically
means it's not abandoned, so council can't remove it.

Council however reported it to DVLA because it's SORNed and on the
public road, but DLVA did nothing.

I thought it was an offence to have a car on a public road without an MOT?

I'm not sure it is. It is an offence to drive it without an MoT,
except to drive it to/from a pre-booked MoT appointment.

Agreed.

It is an offence to have it SORNed on the public highway, but
DVLA doesn't seem to care anymore, unless perhaps it's being driven,
as the council told the DVLA who did nothing.

Interesting.

Not sure about insurance if it's not being driven, but it doesn't
have that either. Given the police couldn't remove it, I presume
their provision for confiscating ans crushing cars without insurance
must only apply if they're being driven.

A mate received a 'put it on a SORN, get it insured or get a fine'
letter from the DVLA for a motorbike he had laid up in his back garden
(and hadn't ridden and had no intention of riding).

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-insurance/uninsured-vehicles

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 20:42:24 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:55:58 -0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
Tim+ writes:
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
"James Wilkinson" writes:
If someone parks in front of your house, simply use a large power tool
such as a brush cutter, and start sending bits of twig flying
everywhere. The car will get moved very quickly :-)

Would love to know how to get rid of an abandoned car in the road,
where we are short of parking places. Not MoT'ed and SORN'ed.
Been there for 18 months. Interior now all gone moldy.

Council slapped a removal notice on it, but owners contacted them
and said they hoped to get it working again, which technically
means it's not abandoned, so council can't remove it.

Council however reported it to DVLA because it's SORNed and on the
public road, but DLVA did nothing.

I thought it was an offence to have a car on a public road without an MOT?

I'm not sure it is. It is an offence to drive it without an MoT,
except to drive it to/from a pre-booked MoT appointment.

Agreed.

It is an offence to have it SORNed on the public highway, but
DVLA doesn't seem to care anymore, unless perhaps it's being driven,
as the council told the DVLA who did nothing.

Interesting.

Not sure about insurance if it's not being driven, but it doesn't
have that either. Given the police couldn't remove it, I presume
their provision for confiscating ans crushing cars without insurance
must only apply if they're being driven.

A mate received a 'put it on a SORN, get it insured or get a fine'
letter from the DVLA for a motorbike he had laid up in his back garden
(and hadn't ridden and had no intention of riding).

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-insurance/uninsured-vehicles

So if you keep something off road and don't tell them, they get upset. But if you tell them it's off road when it isn't, that's ok.

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On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:54:14 +0100, Chris French wrote:

"James Wilkinson" Wrote in message:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:37:03 +0100, Chris French wrote:

"NY" Wrote in message:
"harry" wrote in message
...
On Sunday, 14 August 2016 16:37:05 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
If someone parks in front of your house, simply use a large power tool
such as a brush cutter, and start sending bits of twig flying everywhere.
The car will get moved very quickly :-)

The road in front of your house is not yours.
Anyone can park there subject to yellow lines etc.

Does that include parking across your drive so you can't get your car in or
out? I know that you can't lay claim to the road *opposite* or *either side
of* your drive.

Well, you can't lay claim to the road, but it is a parking offence
to leave a vehicle parked across a dropped kerb (introduced in
the 2004 Traffic Management Act)

That's daft, it should be "across a driveway". I've seen plenty dropped kerbs left where there is no longer a driveway, or driveways where they haven't bothered dropping the kerb.

Nope. It's not just driveways, it's also dropped kerbs for things
like pedestrians to cross the road.

I ignore those. They can walk round me.

The council can ticket it, or potentially get a vehicle removed.
Think for single driveways they tend not to enforce this (s it
may well be the householder or someone with permission.) Unless
the householder specifically complains about it.

(According to our local council when I spoke to them about it re
our driveway).

We quite often get people parking across our drive as we are near
the village shops and there is at times limited parking space.
Normally they are just stopping for a minute or two. Annoying if
you want to get out (though normally we aren't,) but not the end
of the world.

We did call the police one night when someone left their car
parked across it and as it happens my wife was on call (O&G
consultant, if she gets called in in the middle of the night,
it's because someone's birth is going pear shaped in a pretty
big way) . They managed after a while to locate the driver and
get them to move it.

If someone blocked the exit to my drive and I needed to get out (especially as urgently as your wife), I'd reverse into the offending car and shove it out of my way.

Yes James I'm sure you would, but:

1. I'm not sure how good at shifting a larger car a Yaris would be.
2. We'd rather not cause damage to her car.
3. You probably open yourself to the risk of criminal damage charges.

They started it. So surely it's like self defence?

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On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:12:45 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 15:58:42 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 15:51:32 +0100, Andrew wrote:
snip

And are illegal, so off to the tip they go. either that or chopped
into bits and chucked into the offending garden.

If they were illegal, they wouldn't be so prevalent.

They are and they aren't ....

"Leaving €˜things (including advertising boards) on the highway

According to the Highways Act 1980 ( Section 148 and Section 149) it
is an offence if €˜a person deposits any thing whatsoever on a highway
to the interruption of any user of the highway without lawful
authority or excuse or if the thing €œconstitutes a nuisance€� €˜ or
constitutes a €œdanger to users of the highway (including a danger
caused by obstructing the view)€� then they they can remove it without
delay and recover the cost of removal from the owner. This can be used
by councils (sometimes) to removed advertising boards."

https://pedestrianliberation.org/the-law-2/

That falls down at " to the interruption of any user of the highway " as the ramps don't get in anybody's way.

And there are loads round here, in council estates and decent areas.

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En el artículo , NY
escribió:

If they are going to put
a sign there (and it's a good place for traffic wanting to know which road
to take) then they need to put it on legs that are high enough that you can
see under the sign when you are checking whether it's clear yet to pull out.

It's done deliberately to slow down traffic approaching the roundabout,
because you can't see what is approaching from the right due to said
signage/bushes/naked dancing ladies/whatever.

I would have thought that was obvious.

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