My PC, running Windows 7, suddenly is offering me a free upgrade to Windows 10 when it comes out. I understand from Googling it, they are trying to get over the bad publicity with Windows 8.

I know it's not released yet but does anyone have any views on it. I like Windows 7 and don't want to change to something I will hate. But it might keep my PC going longer.

My other concern is whether my hardware will be up to running it.

Thanks

Jonathan

In message ,
Jonathan writes
My PC, running Windows 7, suddenly is offering me a free upgrade to
Windows 10 when it comes out. I understand from Googling it, they are
trying to get over the bad publicity with Windows 8.


I think they want to get as many people onto Windows 10 as possible.
I've think they probably make relatively little money from people buying
upgrades to older versions (as opposed to getting a new version with a
new computer) and there are benefits to MS in having as many users as
possible on Win10.

I know it's not released yet but does anyone have any views on it.

I quite like it (I've been running the beta here on a laptop). It works
better as a desktop OS than Win8 I think.

I like Windows 7 and don't want to change to something I will hate.
But it might keep my PC going longer.

You could try it out by dual booting into it (the beta isn't quite at
the RC stage yet, but it's pretty much there I think.)

My other concern is whether my hardware will be up to running it.

This old Core 2 Duo - 4GB Ram laptop runs it just as well as Win7. The
only issue I had was the audio driver on the laptop wasn't in Win10 at
that point but I was able to install the Win 7 driver. Everything else,
including network printers installed and work fine.

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In message , Jethro_uk
writes
On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 03:27:58 -0700, Jonathan wrote:

My PC, running Windows 7, suddenly is offering me a free upgrade to
Windows 10 when it comes out. I understand from Googling it, they are
trying to get over the bad publicity with Windows 8.

I know it's not released yet but does anyone have any views on it. I
like Windows 7 and don't want to change to something I will hate. But it
might keep my PC going longer.

My other concern is whether my hardware will be up to running it.

Thanks

Jonathan

Given MS declaration a while back that this will be the last ever release
of Windows, I'd be expecting a subscription model to kick in once the
year is up ....
I've seen nothing that really points to this, but.......

What is worrying is the apparently enforced updates, which have included
updates to drivers etc. As Microsoft, at an earlier stage of the beta,
managed to make a whole bunch of testers, including me, think their hard
drives had died, I don't have much confidence in this.

On the other questions, I'm testing on a few dual-core Intel machines,
some quite old (1.6GHz), and have had no problems caused by the computer
hardware. I have a few usb and firewire audio interfaces that worked in
W8.1 and 7, but don't (yet?) work in 10.

What isn't clear is whether, if you take a complete image of the Windows
7 machine, "upgrade" to W10 and don't like it and so re-install the W7,
the W7 will come back as activated or not. The fact that MS has put an
update to W10 icon on the system tray (via one of the recent updates)
suggests that they might want more control over activation etc. in the
future.

I have just been doing quite a bit of work trying to teach myself some
new programming skills and have been using a W7 and W10 machine side by
side. At first, I found little difference, but as the W10 builds
progressed, I have liked it less. The crunch was when I wanted to do a
lot of command line programming and needed different programs to be
accessed quickly. The new start menu has scroll bars that are close to
invisible and other programs have scroll bars that disappear from under
the cursor (I think as in IE in W7) and it became extremely frustrating.
There also is the issue of "monetising the desktop" and the pressure to
run under a Microsoft account login.

For my use, Linux is too limiting, and I'd use W10 in preference, but I
think, on the current showing, I'll stick to W7.
--
Bill

Jonathan wrote:
My PC, running Windows 7, suddenly is offering me a free upgrade to
Windows 10 when it comes out. I understand from Googling it, they are
trying to get over the bad publicity with Windows 8.

I know it's not released yet but does anyone have any views on it. I like
Windows 7 and don't want to change to something I will hate. But it might
keep my PC going longer.

My other concern is whether my hardware will be up to running it.

Thanks

Jonathan

You can download and install a developers version now. Got it running on an
old vista laptop now. It automatically sets itself up as dual boot so that
you still have your old OS. Not quite brave enough to put it on my main PC
but if you have an old laptop or PC to play with it's worth a go.

In message , Jonno
writes
I don't like what I've read here about Win 10

http://www.techworm.net/2014/10/micr...ission-watch-e
very-move.html

M$ will be collecting more info about you than MI5

That applies to the preview (ie test) edition, and one would expect that
to give Microsoft permission to monitor how it is used during
development.

I liked the suggestion elsewhere that it should activate your webcam so
the MS could see how angry it made you.
--
Bill

In message , Jethro_uk
writes
well, amongst others:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...indows-10-will
-be-final-version-of-Windows.html

Once you have it, you will either (a) pay to keep it working or (b) not
pay, and see it slowly wither.

But the Telegraph article just says

"The company's comments suggest Windows 10 will receive small free
incremental updates in the vein of Apple's Mac OS X. "

and, of course, journalists are known and celebrated for their thorough
research and the precision of their writing. :-)
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On 01/06/2015 16:04, Huge wrote:
On 2015-06-01, Jethro_uk wrote:

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced loaf.

*applause*


+1

I am disturbed by the way in which MS seem to be trying to take away any
semblance of control from the user

To all of the Linux community who will descend on this post, I would
like to point out that, like it or not, many of us are forced to live
and work in an MS world.

Malcolm

On 01/06/2015 15:57, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 12:58:30 +0100, Bill wrote:

8


Given MS declaration a while back that this will be the last ever
release of Windows, I'd be expecting a subscription model to kick in
once the year is up ....
I've seen nothing that really points to this, but.......

well, amongst others:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...ndows-10-will-
be-final-version-of-Windows.html

Once you have it, you will either (a) pay to keep it working or (b) not
pay, and see it slowly wither.

M$ have stated that the upgrade will be free in the first year and last
"forever".

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Jonathan scribbled


My PC, running Windows 7, suddenly is offering me a free upgrade to
Windows 10 when it comes out. I understand from Googling it, they are
trying to get over the bad publicity with Windows 8.

I know it's not released yet but does anyone have any views on it. I like
Windows 7 and don't want to change to something I will hate. But it might
keep my PC going longer.

My other concern is whether my hardware will be up to running it.



I don't like what I've read here about Win 10

http://www.techworm.net/2014/10/micr...mission-watch-
every-move.html

M$ will be collecting more info about you than MI5


"Microsoft collects information about you, your devices, applications
and networks, and your use of those devices, applications and networks.
Examples of data we collect include your name, email address,
preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call
and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data; and application
usage."

"We may collect information about your device and applications and use
it for purposes such as determining or improving compatibility" and "use
voice input features like speech-to-text, we may collect voice
information and use it for purposes such as improving speech
processing."

"If you open a file, we may collect information about the file, the
application used to open the file, and how long it takes any use [of]it
for purposes such as improving performance, or [if you]enter text, we
may collect typed characters, we may collect typed characters and use
them for purposes such as improving autocomplete and spell check
features."

The above said input recording methods are a classic keylogger malware
features. In absolute terms you are giving permission for Microsoft to
screen your files and keep a log of your keyboard and other inputs.

That is the beta, not the final product.

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

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In message , Jethro_uk
writes
well, amongst others:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...indows-10-will
-be-final-version-of-Windows.html

Once you have it, you will either (a) pay to keep it working or (b) not
pay, and see it slowly wither.

But the Telegraph article just says

"The company's comments suggest Windows 10 will receive small free
incremental updates in the vein of Apple's Mac OS X. "

and, of course, journalists are known and celebrated for their thorough
research and the precision of their writing. :-)

But it is likely that the entire industry is headed that way now,
essentially driven by what google has been doing in that area.

And it isn't just seen with OS X either, its also seen with iOS and
android. It wouldn't be at all surprising if MS has decided that
they have no real alternative given what all their competitors
are doing and with Linux quite literally completely free etc.

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On 01/06/2015 16:04, Huge wrote:
On 2015-06-01, Jethro_uk wrote:

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced loaf.

*applause*


+1

I am disturbed by the way in which MS seem to be trying to take away any
semblance of control from the user

There is no evidence that they are doing anything of the sort.

To all of the Linux community who will descend on this post, I would like
to point out that, like it or not, many of us are forced to live and work
in an MS world.

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On 2015-06-01, Jethro_uk wrote:

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

....that is why I can't find one I want to buy

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On 2015-06-01, Jethro_uk wrote:

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for dead.

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

....I wouldn't part with my nokia 1100 ........ my smartphone sits in a
drawer.....

Then don't. I'd imagine its a little routine that is starting at launch time
put there by windows update. It should be possible to stop it running from
msconfig, or manually from control panel.

I'm not sure why anyone would want yet another version of Windows with yet
another new set of apps that do not add much to the party as it is already
planned and working properly.
Brian

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"Jonathan" wrote in message
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My PC, running Windows 7, suddenly is offering me a free upgrade to
Windows 10 when it comes out. I understand from Googling it, they are
trying to get over the bad publicity with Windows 8.

I know it's not released yet but does anyone have any views on it. I like
Windows 7 and don't want to change to something I will hate. But it might
keep my PC going longer.

My other concern is whether my hardware will be up to running it.

Thanks

Jonathan

Since its officiallyout at the end of next month, it looks like a gamble
that not too many users will find too many bugs.
However, if there are any blind people reading this, the new browser and
other apps running on a similar set of new routines in Windows, are not
fully supported ffor screenreaders yet and indeed, nobody seems to be sure
they actually will be at the start of win 10 release, so please, don't
upgrade at the start, it will be a headache as the manufacturers play catch
up.
Brian

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"Chris French" wrote in message
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In message ,
Jonathan writes
My PC, running Windows 7, suddenly is offering me a free upgrade to
Windows 10 when it comes out. I understand from Googling it, they are
trying to get over the bad publicity with Windows 8.


I think they want to get as many people onto Windows 10 as possible. I've
think they probably make relatively little money from people buying
upgrades to older versions (as opposed to getting a new version with a new
computer) and there are benefits to MS in having as many users as possible
on Win10.

I know it's not released yet but does anyone have any views on it.

I quite like it (I've been running the beta here on a laptop). It works
better as a desktop OS than Win8 I think.

I like Windows 7 and don't want to change to something I will hate. But
it might keep my PC going longer.

You could try it out by dual booting into it (the beta isn't quite at the
RC stage yet, but it's pretty much there I think.)

My other concern is whether my hardware will be up to running it.

This old Core 2 Duo - 4GB Ram laptop runs it just as well as Win7. The
only issue I had was the audio driver on the laptop wasn't in Win10 at
that point but I was able to install the Win 7 driver. Everything else,
including network printers installed and work fine.

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On 2015-06-01, Jethro_uk wrote:

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for dead.

Haven't felt the need for a smartphone ever.


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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch
of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

...I wouldn't part with my nokia 1100 ........ my smartphone sits in a
drawer.....

More fool you.

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch
of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

Haven't felt the need for a smartphone ever.

More fool you.

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In article , Simon263
wrote:

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"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2015-06-01, Jethro_uk wrote:

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch
of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

Unnecessary (as most mobiles are).

You can say the same thing about all phones and any technology.

I have a cheapo Tesco PAYG that I
spend £20 a year on, if that. 99.9% of the time it is switched OFF.

You can spend the same amount with a smartphone and
get to do a hell of a lot more when that is convenient.

(top posted for Brian)

M$ has always expected their users to beta test their software. The
consensus in the industry and among Tech Preview users seems to be that
Win10 is nowhere near good enough for a release candidate, so instead
users will be alpha-testing it.

Avoid.

If you want to disable the Win10 advert/nagware that M$ has sneakily
installed on Win7 and 8 systems, remove or hide the following patches in
Windows Update:

KB2952664
KB2990214
KB3035583



En el artículo , Brian-Gaff
escribió:

Since its officiallyout at the end of next month, it looks like a gamble
that not too many users will find too many bugs.

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In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 02/06/15 07:31, Simon263 wrote:


"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
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"Simon263" wrote in message
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"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2015-06-01, Jethro_uk wrote:

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch
of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

Haven't felt the need for a smartphone ever.

+1

Plenty of you dinosaurs said the same thing about phones,
cars, computers, in fact all technology.

On 01/06/2015 12:27, Jethro_uk wrote:

Given MS declaration a while back that this will be the last ever release
of Windows, I'd be expecting a subscription model to kick in once the
year is up ....


Indeed. I thought I'd seen somewhere that Microsoft is planning that
you never "own" Windows10, you just rent it. So those taking advantage
of the current free upgrade might find that after the initial free year,
they are forced to pay annually to keep it going. I'd read the small
print vary carefully - though software providers get their lawyers to
write hundreds of long boring paragraphs of the stuff, just so it's hard
to find the important details.

--
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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch
of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

...I wouldn't part with my nokia 1100 ........ my smartphone sits in a
drawer.....

More fool you.

no...more fool you...the battery lasts over a week...you can read the LCD
display in sunlight...very small...very lout ring and SMS
notification...worth about £1 .......win win.....

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch
of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

Haven't felt the need for a smartphone ever.


there is none if you are a sensible human being ......

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On 2015-06-01, Jethro_uk wrote:

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch
of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced
loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

Haven't felt the need for a smartphone ever.

+1

Plenty of you dinosaurs said the same thing about phones,
cars, computers, in fact all technology.

plenty of idiots have to see the Emperor's new clothes ....... we are fussy
what gets hoisted on to us ....... I suppose you think having no spare wheel
is a good idea? ...... and that windows 8.1 is fantastic?

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch
of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

Haven't felt the need for a smartphone ever.

More fool you.

discerning I would call that .....

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch
of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced
loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

Haven't felt the need for a smartphone ever.

+1

Plenty of you dinosaurs said the same thing about phones,
cars, computers, in fact all technology.

plenty of idiots have to see the Emperor's new clothes ....... we are fussy
what gets hoisted on to us ....... I suppose you think having no spare wheel
is a good idea? ...... and that windows 8.1 is fantastic?



I was bored by computers until micros came out, then I was right ahead
of the game as they finally seemed to be cheap enough to be useful.

I have followed 'mobile' technology since its inception, and have never
actually had the need to indulge in almost all of it, laptops notebooks,
ipods, ipads and i phones. I do real work with computers sitting at a desk.

When away from that I don't really want phone calls and when I do a
simple phone is more than enough.






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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 10:05:22 +0100, Clive Page wrote:

On 01/06/2015 12:27, Jethro_uk wrote:

Given MS declaration a while back that this will be the last ever
release of Windows, I'd be expecting a subscription model to kick in
once the year is up ....


Indeed. I thought I'd seen somewhere that Microsoft is planning that you
never "own" Windows10, you just rent it.

A moot point (perhaps) but Windows users never *did* own their copy of
Windows installed on their computers.

So those taking advantage of the current free upgrade might find that
after the initial free year, they are forced to pay annually to keep it
going. I'd read the small print vary carefully - though software
providers get their lawyers to write hundreds of long boring paragraphs
of the stuff, just so it's hard to find the important details.

The ultimate goal of MS is that a Windows user will just have a basic copy
of Windows on a machine, & everything else will be on a MS Cloud. This was
"leaked" some time ago, by a person who had access to MS insiders & who
published it anonymously on his website. This person had been right
about his previous "predictions" about what MS was up to.
The website disappeared about about 18 months, or two years ago, & has
never come back. (This was reported in The Register too). It is then very
likely, as you say, that Windows users could be made to pay annually to
have access to their data.

On 02/06/2015 08:43, Brian-Gaff wrote:
Then don't. I'd imagine its a little routine that is starting at launch time
put there by windows update. It should be possible to stop it running from
msconfig, or manually from control panel.

I'm not sure why anyone would want yet another version of Windows with yet
another new set of apps that do not add much to the party as it is already
planned and working properly.
Brian

I am reasonably happy with Windows 8 I do not seem to get any problems.
My concern is if I go for Windows 10 will I be able to revert to Windows
8 with ease? I am not particularly software savvy, so dual loads etc.
are not easy for me.

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Given MS declaration a while back that this will be the last ever release
of Windows, I'd be expecting a subscription model to kick in once the
year is up ....


Indeed. I thought I'd seen somewhere that Microsoft is planning that you
never "own" Windows10, you just rent it. So those taking advantage of the
current free upgrade might find that after the initial free year, they are
forced to pay annually to keep it going.

I think it is much more likely that MS has decided to go the
way the whole of the rest of the industry has gone with retail
level OSs, all of the updates and upgrades will be free to those
who already have the OS and they will make their money
from what they get when their OS is sold with the hardware.

I'd read the small
print vary carefully - though software providers get their lawyers to
write hundreds of long boring paragraphs of the stuff, just so it's hard
to find the important details.

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch
of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced
loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

...I wouldn't part with my nokia 1100 ........ my smartphone sits in a
drawer.....

More fool you.

no...more fool you...the battery lasts over a week...

Does on my smartphone too.

you can read the LCD
display in sunlight...

Same with my smartphone.

very small...

My smartphone is only marginally bigger and much thinner.

very lout ring and SMS notification...

Same with my smartphone.

worth about £1 .......

I'm not such a desperate pov that that matters a damn to me.

win win.....

Lose lose in fact capability wise.

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a
bunch of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced
loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

Haven't felt the need for a smartphone ever.

+1

Plenty of you dinosaurs said the same thing about phones,
cars, computers, in fact all technology.

plenty of idiots have to see the Emperor's new clothes ....... we are
fussy what gets hoisted on to us .......

Dinosaurs ran the same line with everything from the wheel
to phones to bicycles to cars, computers, in fact all technology.

I suppose you think having no spare wheel
is a good idea? ......

You're wrong, again. Just used mine 2 weeks ago and
that is the 4th time I have used it with that particular car.

and that windows 8.1 is fantastic?

Don’t use it myself.

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a bunch
of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced
loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

Haven't felt the need for a smartphone ever.

More fool you.

discerning I would call that .....

More fool you.

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a
bunch of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced
loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

...I wouldn't part with my nokia 1100 ........ my smartphone sits in a
drawer.....

More fool you.

no...more fool you...the battery lasts over a week...

Does on my smartphone too.

you can read the LCD
display in sunlight...

Same with my smartphone.

doubt it .......

very small...

My smartphone is only marginally bigger and much thinner.
it's bigger then ......


very lout ring and SMS notification...

but mine is LOUD .....


Same with my smartphone.

worth about £1 .......

I'm not such a desperate pov that that matters a damn to me.

win win.....

Lose lose in fact capability wise.

you know I am right .......I forgot to mention no touch screen and silly
camera .......pov?...had to look that up...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pov

you use the camera on your smart phone for that?

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On 2015-06-01, Jethro_uk wrote:

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a
bunch of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced
loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

Haven't felt the need for a smartphone ever.

More fool you.

discerning I would call that .....

More fool you.

discerning I would call myself ....

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On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 10:05:22 +0100, Clive Page wrote:

On 01/06/2015 12:27, Jethro_uk wrote:

Given MS declaration a while back that this will be the last ever
release of Windows, I'd be expecting a subscription model to kick in
once the year is up ....


Indeed. I thought I'd seen somewhere that Microsoft is planning that you
never "own" Windows10, you just rent it.

A moot point (perhaps) but Windows users never *did* own their copy of
Windows installed on their computers.

So those taking advantage of the current free upgrade might find that
after the initial free year, they are forced to pay annually to keep it
going. I'd read the small print vary carefully - though software
providers get their lawyers to write hundreds of long boring paragraphs
of the stuff, just so it's hard to find the important details.

The ultimate goal of MS is that a Windows user will just have a basic copy
of Windows on a machine, & everything else will be on a MS Cloud. This was
"leaked" some time ago, by a person who had access to MS insiders & who
published it anonymously on his website. This person had been right
about his previous "predictions" about what MS was up to.
The website disappeared about about 18 months, or two years ago, & has
never come back. (This was reported in The Register too). It is then very
likely, as you say, that Windows users could be made to pay annually to
have access to their data.

Odd that MS has a completely free cloud and while ever their competitors
have their own, they won't be able to charge everyone to use theirs.

In fact they have just recently added completely free versions of word
and excel to Apple's iOS which doesnÿt cost anyone a penny to upgrade
and with their main cloud competitors like dropbox too.

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On 2015-06-01, Jethro_uk wrote:

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a
bunch of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced
loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

...I wouldn't part with my nokia 1100 ........ my smartphone sits in a
drawer.....

More fool you.

no...more fool you...the battery lasts over a week...

Does on my smartphone too.

you can read the LCD
display in sunlight...

Same with my smartphone.

doubt it .......

Do it all the time when out walking for exercise
and listening to podcasts when doing that.

And don’t need to see the screen to make phone calls anyway.

very small...

My smartphone is only marginally bigger and much thinner.
it's bigger then ......

Only very marginally.

very lout ring and SMS notification...

but mine is LOUD .....

So is mine.

Same with my smartphone.

worth about £1 .......

I'm not such a desperate pov that that matters a damn to me.

win win.....

Lose lose in fact capability wise.

you know I am right .......

Nope.

I forgot to mention no touch screen

Buttons that fail instead.

and silly camera .......

Very handy when recording what prices you see
when checking the prices of what you want to buy,
handy for getting the system to tell you what is the
best price anyone has for that item so you can decide
if the one in front of you is close enough to be worth
buying. Handy when the **** hits the fan and you want
a record of the arsehole who make the **** hit the fan.

pov?...had to look that up...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pov

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Povo

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On 2015-06-01, Jethro_uk wrote:

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I find the current "cloud" fad fascinating. It's almost as if
everyone
who came into IT in the 60s and 70s is now retiring leaving a
bunch of
young turks who have rocked up with the eternal conceit that it's
their
generation that invented the current incarnation of the sliced
loaf.

*applause*

Technology has always been like that. Cars are too.

...that is why I can't find one I want to buy

On the other hand, the current smartphones leave the alternatives for
dead.

Haven't felt the need for a smartphone ever.

More fool you.

discerning I would call that .....

More fool you.

discerning I would call myself ....

More fool you.