Steve Firth wrote:

"Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote:

On 27/05/2011 21:22, Steve Firth wrote:
"Nightjar\"cpb\"@""insertmysurnamehere wrote:

I usually only fly with BA, so that is not really a problem for me.

Yeah, your problem is that you fly with BA, a service that makes
Ryanair look like Cathay Pacific.

That is not my experience of flying with BA. Of course, things might be
different in cattle class.

I've only ever flown business class with BA. Compared to the majority of
airlines their service sucks, their service was in fact so poor that I
preferred to fly British Midland for short haul flights. For long haul,
BA are definitely fourth rank and only just slightly ahead of Aeroflot.

Still if you want to be wedged into a poorly maintained seat and served
****e by some matron with varicose veins, support tights and more slap
on her face than is stocked at any single Debenhams, BA would be right
up your street.

Perhaps next time you try to puff yourself up, with snide lines about
"cattle class", you could try think for a moment before posting?

Strweth. "AirBaltic" sound better than that (I have actually flown with
them).

Generally I use Lufthansa or SAS[1] if I can and no complaints there and
they are cheap enough.

[1] Because when they feck you up by overbooking, they fix it by offering in
both cases it's happened to me, a refund greater than the original cost of
the flight, a rebooking or diversion and necessary taxis or overnight
accomodation. In one case I had to insist on travelling and they made it
possible. The other case was only a diversion from Munich to Frankfurt,
connecting taxi over (diverted to the town centre rather than the airport by
a short chat with the driver and a tip). No real probs - 1 hour late and a
free return flight!

The worst was Air China whom when asked:

a) At this end, about baby sleeping hammocks said: "no probs - just ring
them at the other end to arrange";

b) Rang at the other end 2 days before departu "You have to come to our
office in Beijing in person a night's train ride from where you are staying
to arrange - we can't do it on the phone";

c) Ignore the idiot and get to the airport 4 hours early and enqui "Oh
you should have come 2 days ago in person." me: (in maximum English strop
mode): "No! Get your manager out here, now, please!" After a lecture on
customer service, said boss promised to sort it.

d) Got on the plane and it turned out the "hammocks" are stored there
regardless and all it takes it to have a bulkhead seat reserved, which is
trivial for the checkin desk to fix.

gawd - talk about a run around.

Used BA/Quantas to Oz once - not bad

--
Tim Watts

Tim Watts wrote:


[1] Because when they feck you up by overbooking, they fix it by offering in
both cases it's happened to me, a refund greater than the original cost of
the flight, a rebooking or diversion and necessary taxis or overnight
accomodation. In one case I had to insist on travelling and they made it
possible. The other case was only a diversion from Munich to Frankfurt,
connecting taxi over (diverted to the town centre rather than the airport by
a short chat with the driver and a tip). No real probs - 1 hour late and a
free return flight!

Ah yes, I forgot about that. I already hated BA at the time that I was
working in Germany, but during that time I came to absolutely loathe
them. In 1993 I was on my way back to the UK. I had a business class
ticket and my secretary had called that morning to confirm the
reservation. When I got to the airport I was told that I had been
"bumped" by BA because "the flight is over-subscribed". Since I was over
an hour early for the flight I asked how this had happened. The reason
was because an aircraft had been hijacked that day (a flight from
Frankfurt to Cairo had been hijacked to the USA) that news teams had
poured into Frankfurt and BA has decided that despite them not having
reserved places it could not afford to upset the press, so it ditched
all the regulars.

I wass able to transfer ticket to another airline much later in the day,
and I haven't used BA since. If I ever meet any exec from BA I will be
tempted to punch them on the nose. As companies go, they are right up
there with British Gas, British Telecom and any other wanky former
state-owned business with "British" in their name.

On 28/05/2011 12:17, Steve Firth wrote:
"Nightjar\"cpb\"@""insertmysurnamehere wrote:

On 27/05/2011 21:22, Steve Firth wrote:
"Nightjar\"cpb\"@""insertmysurnamehere wrote:

I usually only fly with BA, so that is not really a problem for me.

Yeah, your problem is that you fly with BA, a service that makes Ryanair
look like Cathay Pacific.

That is not my experience of flying with BA. Of course, things might be
different in cattle class.

I've only ever flown business class with BA. Compared to the majority of
airlines their service sucks, their service was in fact so poor that I
preferred to fly British Midland for short haul flights. For long haul,
BA are definitely fourth rank and only just slightly ahead of Aeroflot.

Still if you want to be wedged into a poorly maintained seat and served
****e by some matron with varicose veins, support tights and more slap
on her face than is stocked at any single Debenhams, BA would be right
up your street.

I think you must have flown a different BA from me, as none of that
matches any of my experiences.

Perhaps next time you try to puff yourself up, with snide lines about
"cattle class", you could try think for a moment before posting?

Cattle class is the industry term, just not an official one.

Colin Bignell

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...

Tim Watts wrote:


[1] Because when they feck you up by overbooking, they fix it by offering
in
both cases it's happened to me, a refund greater than the original cost of
the flight, a rebooking or diversion and necessary taxis or overnight
accomodation. In one case I had to insist on travelling and they made it
possible. The other case was only a diversion from Munich to Frankfurt,
connecting taxi over (diverted to the town centre rather than the airport
by
a short chat with the driver and a tip). No real probs - 1 hour late and a
free return flight!

Ah yes, I forgot about that. I already hated BA at the time that I was
working in Germany, but during that time I came to absolutely loathe
them. In 1993 I was on my way back to the UK. I had a business class
ticket and my secretary had called that morning to confirm the
reservation. When I got to the airport I was told that I had been
"bumped" by BA because "the flight is over-subscribed". Since I was over
an hour early for the flight I asked how this had happened. The reason
was because an aircraft had been hijacked that day (a flight from
Frankfurt to Cairo had been hijacked to the USA) that news teams had
poured into Frankfurt and BA has decided that despite them not having
reserved places it could not afford to upset the press, so it ditched
all the regulars.

I wass able to transfer ticket to another airline much later in the day,
and I haven't used BA since. If I ever meet any exec from BA I will be
tempted to punch them on the nose. As companies go, they are right up
there with British Gas, British Telecom and any other wanky former
state-owned business with "British" in their name.

I wonder how many changes of management they have had since 1993. Can't you
get over it? After all your resentment does not make any difference to them.
The more you fly the more likely it is that sooner or later something will
happen to you. Life is too short for petty grudges. We seem to get a bit
hung up on flying issues - as another person put it - it perhaps relates to
that luxury image that was created back in the '50's and '60's when it was
supposed to be glamorous. I recall being given a set of plastic cutlery once
by some rich relations who actually went on an aeroplane.

DerbyBoy wrote:
"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...

Tim Watts wrote:


[1] Because when they feck you up by overbooking, they fix it by
offering in
both cases it's happened to me, a refund greater than the original
cost of the flight, a rebooking or diversion and necessary taxis or
overnight accomodation. In one case I had to insist on travelling
and they made it possible. The other case was only a diversion from
Munich to Frankfurt, connecting taxi over (diverted to the town
centre rather than the airport by
a short chat with the driver and a tip). No real probs - 1 hour late
and a free return flight!

Ah yes, I forgot about that. I already hated BA at the time that I was
working in Germany, but during that time I came to absolutely loathe
them. In 1993 I was on my way back to the UK. I had a business class
ticket and my secretary had called that morning to confirm the
reservation. When I got to the airport I was told that I had been
"bumped" by BA because "the flight is over-subscribed". Since I was
over an hour early for the flight I asked how this had happened. The
reason
was because an aircraft had been hijacked that day (a flight from
Frankfurt to Cairo had been hijacked to the USA) that news teams had
poured into Frankfurt and BA has decided that despite them not having
reserved places it could not afford to upset the press, so it ditched
all the regulars.

I wass able to transfer ticket to another airline much later in the
day, and I haven't used BA since. If I ever meet any exec from BA I
will be tempted to punch them on the nose. As companies go, they are
right up there with British Gas, British Telecom and any other wanky
former
state-owned business with "British" in their name.

I wonder how many changes of management they have had since 1993.
Can't you get over it? After all your resentment does not make any
difference to them. The more you fly the more likely it is that
sooner or later something will happen to you. Life is too short for
petty grudges. We seem to get a bit hung up on flying issues - as
another person put it - it perhaps relates to that luxury image that
was created back in the '50's and '60's when it was supposed to be
glamorous. I recall being given a set of plastic cutlery once by some
rich relations who actually went on an aeroplane.

Don't worry about it. Firth is one of the most obnoxious people in any of
these groups - he's done everything, got the T-shirt, starred in the film
and yet he spouts some useless drivel at times - well most of the time
actually - that makes you realise that he's just a plonker :-)

"fred" wrote in message ...
In article
, harry
writes

I have paid for a space for my hand luggage. I expect that space to be
there, not taken up by some pillock. So it is "my" luggage locker for
the duration of the flight.

As pointed out to Arfa, next time you fly, ask the cabin crew where your
personally reserved space can be found and see if the airline agrees with
your position.

You can usually find space in nearby lockers and I've always found cabin
crew to be helpful in finding space where I have not. I've not had any
difficulty in finding space for my hand luggage on even the busiest
flights but I don't expect to be able to board last and still find a space
in the bin above my head.

In over 20 years of flying I've never had a need to use an overhead
locker**; my carry-on bag fits under the seat in front.

So it's quite annoying when it takes ages to board because the aisles are
blocked with people trying to fit items into the lockers and are completely
oblivious to others trying to get past.

(** Except for the odd pillow and blanket which the airline dumps on my
seat.)

--
Bartc

"DerbyBoy" No-one wrote in message
...
I returned yesterday from Furteventura. The queue to merely drop off
luggage for the Ryanair Flight was really annoying. It took me 90 minutes
to get the the front of the queue. We then had to run to the gate and had
no time for a drink in the Departures area. The issue seemed to be that
some passengers had baggage or documentation problems to argue about.
My suggestion is simple - for all airlines / handling agents / airports.
If the transaction cannot be completed within (say) one minute then the
passenger is sent to the back of the queue.
Baggage Drop Off should only take seconds. It is only a case of dropping
bag onto conveyor - showing document and passport. 1minute is ample time.
Anyone with an expected complication should first go to the appropriate
airline enquiry desk.
What do you think? It really is frustrating standing in the queue whilst
people re-pack their luggage as they didn't comply with their contract
conditions.

I've never been able to understand the difference between Check-in, and Bag
Drop; both can involve waiting in a queue, and handing over baggage while
checking over some documents.

So bag drop is not necessarily going to be quicker, and you should allow
just as much time.

What do you think? It really is frustrating standing in the queue whilst
people re-pack their luggage as they didn't comply with their contract
conditions.

I can say the same about every type of queue I've ever been in. People take
5, 10, 15 minutes each at a counter, when I finally get there, I'm usually
done in 30 seconds, if that.

And in airport security queues, I've perfected the art of putting away all
items likely to trigger the detector, taken off my coat, and removed laptop
from bag, all while shuffling along in the queue. Then I have to wait for a
bunch of other people to do all that while standing at the conveyor!

--
Bartc

"BartC" wrote in message ...



"fred" wrote in message ...
In article
, harry
writes

I have paid for a space for my hand luggage. I expect that space to be
there, not taken up by some pillock. So it is "my" luggage locker for
the duration of the flight.

As pointed out to Arfa, next time you fly, ask the cabin crew where your
personally reserved space can be found and see if the airline agrees with
your position.

You can usually find space in nearby lockers and I've always found cabin
crew to be helpful in finding space where I have not. I've not had any
difficulty in finding space for my hand luggage on even the busiest
flights but I don't expect to be able to board last and still find a space
in the bin above my head.

In over 20 years of flying I've never had a need to use an overhead
locker**; my carry-on bag fits under the seat in front.

So it's quite annoying when it takes ages to board because the aisles are
blocked with people trying to fit items into the lockers and are completely
oblivious to others trying to get past.

(** Except for the odd pillow and blanket which the airline dumps on my
seat.)

--
Bartc



.................or deciding to get out the book or cardigan from the depths
of the bag.

"BartC" wrote in message news


"DerbyBoy" No-one wrote in message
...
I returned yesterday from Furteventura. The queue to merely drop off
luggage for the Ryanair Flight was really annoying. It took me 90 minutes
to get the the front of the queue. We then had to run to the gate and had
no time for a drink in the Departures area. The issue seemed to be that
some passengers had baggage or documentation problems to argue about.
My suggestion is simple - for all airlines / handling agents / airports.
If the transaction cannot be completed within (say) one minute then the
passenger is sent to the back of the queue.
Baggage Drop Off should only take seconds. It is only a case of dropping
bag onto conveyor - showing document and passport. 1minute is ample time.
Anyone with an expected complication should first go to the appropriate
airline enquiry desk.
What do you think? It really is frustrating standing in the queue whilst
people re-pack their luggage as they didn't comply with their contract
conditions.

I've never been able to understand the difference between Check-in, and Bag
Drop; both can involve waiting in a queue, and handing over baggage while
checking over some documents.

So bag drop is not necessarily going to be quicker, and you should allow
just as much time.

What do you think? It really is frustrating standing in the queue whilst
people re-pack their luggage as they didn't comply with their contract
conditions.

I can say the same about every type of queue I've ever been in. People take
5, 10, 15 minutes each at a counter, when I finally get there, I'm usually
done in 30 seconds, if that.

And in airport security queues, I've perfected the art of putting away all
items likely to trigger the detector, taken off my coat, and removed laptop
from bag, all while shuffling along in the queue. Then I have to wait for a
bunch of other people to do all that while standing at the conveyor!

--
Bartc



I am with you on this!

All a bit like the person in the supermarket queue who doesn't think to find
wallet until asked to pay.

"Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote:

Perhaps next time you try to puff yourself up, with snide lines about
"cattle class", you could try think for a moment before posting?

Cattle class is the industry term, just not an official one.

Yes, and fools like to repeat the term in the hope that it makes them
look big and experienced. But as you know, that was not my objection to
your use of the term. It was your childish assumption that only you can
afford business class tickets.

"DerbyBoy" No-one wrote:

I wonder how many changes of management they have had since 1993.

I neither know, nor care.

Can't you get over it?

Why should I "get over it"? To make you feel happier? BA offer a ****e
service and they are lying **** weasels. Two very good reasons not to
use them.

After all your resentment does not make any difference to them.

I'm not doing it for them.

The more you fly the more likely it is that sooner or later something will
happen to you.

Did you think that up all by yourself or get it from a book of trite
homilies?

Life is too short for petty grudges.

See above.

We seem to get a bit hung up on flying issues - as another person put it -
it perhaps relates to that luxury image that was created back in the '50's
and '60's when it was supposed to be glamorous. I recall being given a set
of plastic cutlery once by some rich relations who actually went on an
aeroplane.

yawn I'm sure you had a point, other than the one on the top of your
head. Sadly you don't seem to be able to express your point.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Mike Tomlinson
saying something like:

* actually, I've flown with them a few times. By the time you factor in
all the additional hidden charges, it's usually not far off the cost of
a flight with a scheduled airline where you get an allocated seat,
shorter queues, a more generous baggage allocation, decent food and
don't get treated like ****.

Ding!
In my case it's Ryanair v. Aer Lingus and I'd happily pay the few extra
quid to fly in half-decent comfort with staff who seem to give a ****,
rather than experience the cattle-truck-like condition of Ryanair ever
again.

On 29/05/2011 00:36, Steve Firth wrote:
"Nightjar\"cpb\"@""insertmysurnamehere wrote:

Perhaps next time you try to puff yourself up, with snide lines about
"cattle class", you could try think for a moment before posting?

Cattle class is the industry term, just not an official one.

Yes, and fools like to repeat the term in the hope that it makes them
look big and experienced.

I've not come across that, but I will bow to your greater experience of
foolishness.

But as you know, that was not my objection to
your use of the term. It was your childish assumption that only you can
afford business class tickets.

Indeed? Where did I say that? Or is it that you are the one making
assumptions?

Colin Bignell

"Nightjar \"cpb\"@" "insertmysurnamehere wrote:

But as you know, that was not my objection to
your use of the term. It was your childish assumption that only you can
afford business class tickets.

Indeed? Where did I say that? Or is it that you are the one making
assumptions?

In Message-ID:

No, I'm not making any assumptions, but I can see that you are trying to
weasel away from your comment.

On 27/05/2011 17:18, Ron Lowe wrote:


My problem with BA is this:

Every easter, we fly to Denver with BA.
It's the only direct flight in to Denver, the other options all stop in
Chicago.

ABZ - LHR - DEN.

Now the baggage allowance on the transatlantic is 2 hold bags per
person. But on the connecting domestic flight, it's only 1 bag.

With a family of 4 with ski kit, that's quite restrictive!


Send someone down to London on the train the day before. Advanced train
tickets are pretty cheap...

Andy

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
. uk...
On 27/05/2011 17:18, Ron Lowe wrote:


My problem with BA is this:

Every easter, we fly to Denver with BA.
It's the only direct flight in to Denver, the other options all stop in
Chicago.

ABZ - LHR - DEN.

Now the baggage allowance on the transatlantic is 2 hold bags per
person. But on the connecting domestic flight, it's only 1 bag.

With a family of 4 with ski kit, that's quite restrictive!


Send someone down to London on the train the day before. Advanced train tickets are
pretty cheap...

Andy

No need. As anyone with any actual experience of through flights on major
(i.e. non-budget ) airlines will already be aware, the highest baggage
allowance applies to all legs of any one journey.

As BA thenselves confirm on their website

" For itineraries involving flights operated by British Airways, American Airlines
and Iberia, the highest allowance for the number of bags will apply across the
whole journey." BA Website

http://www.britishairways.com/travel...k/public/en_gb


HTH

Nigel

In message on Sat, 28 May 2011 09:09:21 +0000
(UTC)
Andrew Gabriel wrote:


I am surprised that airports still allow any queuing before the security
check. Seems like a serious vulnerability to me. Airlines and airports
should be required to have enough staff at all times to restrict queues
to no more than somewhere between 5 and 10 people at all times, depending
on presence of any nearby queues*, i.e. to limit the density of unchecked
people in any one area.

After the security check, queues are not a (security) problem.

*Ryanair could implement this by charging you £1 for each person in front
of you in the queue when you join it ;-) Never fly Ryanair myself...

With all the discussiomn of Ryanair that has gone on in this thread, I'm
surprised that nobody seems to have posted this yet ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPyl2tOaKxM

They've even thought of a charge that O'Leary hasn't imposed yet ...

--

Terry

"Nigel Hopkins" wrote in message
...

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
. uk...
On 27/05/2011 17:18, Ron Lowe wrote:


My problem with BA is this:

Every easter, we fly to Denver with BA.
It's the only direct flight in to Denver, the other options all stop in
Chicago.

ABZ - LHR - DEN.

Now the baggage allowance on the transatlantic is 2 hold bags per
person. But on the connecting domestic flight, it's only 1 bag.

With a family of 4 with ski kit, that's quite restrictive!


Send someone down to London on the train the day before. Advanced train
tickets are pretty cheap...

Andy

No need. As anyone with any actual experience of through flights on major
(i.e. non-budget ) airlines will already be aware, the highest baggage
allowance applies to all legs of any one journey.

As BA thenselves confirm on their website


Only just picked up on this one and agree with the above. I have flown with
tickets booked with BA that included internal links both with them and
another airline and the full long hall BA bag allowance was accepted by the
other airline even, despite it being almost double their own allowance. This
actually caused a bit of an argument from a couple checking in beside us in
Christchurch as they were being asked to pay quite a lot extra, despite our
bags being massive in comparison :-)

Mike

On May 27, 5:18*pm, Ron Lowe wrote:

Now the baggage allowance on the transatlantic is 2 hold bags per
person. * But on the connecting domestic flight, it's only 1 bag.

On one through ticket? It should be the same for both flights.

Neil

On May 28, 12:15*am, The Other Mike
wrote:

Ryanair supply bags that comply with their own spec which is different
to anyone elses and cost about 80 quid.

Ryanair's size is 55x40x20, larger than some "legacy" airlines.
easyJet used to do the same, and only changed to "IATA size",
56x45x25, which is the largest permissible by UK law, when they
changed most of their aircraft for Airbus 319s which have larger
overhead bins to cope with it. If you get one of the old 737-700s
(only two left, both based at Luton and will be gone by November)
there tend to be problems because the bins are too small and bags of
that size have to go lengthways, taking up a lot of space.

Neil

On May 28, 9:46*am, The Other Mike
wrote:

Fixed seats that don't even recline slightly can be very
uncomfortable. *but legroom is good.

???

Legroom on Ryanair is IMO quite bad, though other more expensive
airlines are often worse. The pitch is supposed to be 1" better than
easyJet, but I find the latter gives more actual space, possibly due
to thinner seatbacks.

I agree that there is no need for recline on a short flight; all it
does is cause arguments.

Neil

On May 28, 10:09*am, (Andrew Gabriel)
wrote:

*Ryanair could implement this by charging you £1 for each person in front
*of you in the queue when you join it ;-) *Never fly Ryanair myself....

Luton charge £3 to jump the security queue. I've sometimes wondered
whether adopting a budget airline style model on this might make some
sense - if the main queue is short, decrease it, if the main queue is
long, increase it. I've thought the same of the M6 Toll.

Neil

On May 28, 10:01*pm, "BartC" wrote:

In over 20 years of flying I've never had a need to use an overhead
locker**; my carry-on bag fits under the seat in front.

My feet go there. If the airlines provided a sensible seat pitch, I'd
consider putting my bag there, but not the way it is.

Neil

On May 28, 10:30*pm, "BartC" wrote:

So bag drop is not necessarily going to be quicker, and you should allow
just as much time.

Depends how it works. At Geneva, it's a case of look at passport[1],
scan boarding card, scan bag (on which you've already put a tag
yourself) - it is genuinely quite quick. Elsewhere it's a case of rip
up online boarding card and check in as normal.

[1] Presumably to prevent anyone else checking something in in your
name if you dropped your boarding card.

Neil

On May 28, 10:30*pm, "BartC" wrote:

And in airport security queues, I've perfected the art of putting away all
items likely to trigger the detector, taken off my coat, and removed laptop
from bag, all while shuffling along in the queue. Then I have to wait for a
bunch of other people to do all that while standing at the conveyor!

Another bonus point for Geneva - running up to the metal detectors/X-
rays is a set of rolling conveyor type things. So you take your trays
and move along while filling them. A very good system that minimises
delay from people faffing - I wish they did it elsewhere.

Neil

On 27/05/11 09:14, Arfa Daily wrote:


"harry" wrote in message
...
On May 27, 8:27 am, "DerbyBoy" No-one wrote:
I returned yesterday from Furteventura. The queue to merely drop off luggage
for the Ryanair Flight was really annoying. It took me 90 minutes to get the
the front of the queue. We then had to run to the gate and had no time for a
drink in the Departures area. The issue seemed to be that some passengers
had baggage or documentation problems to argue about.
My suggestion is simple - for all airlines / handling agents / airports. If
the transaction cannot be completed within (say) one minute then the
passenger is sent to the back of the queue.
Baggage Drop Off should only take seconds. It is only a case of dropping bag
onto conveyor - showing document and passport. 1minute is ample time. Anyone
with an expected complication should first go to the appropriate airline
enquiry desk.
What do you think? It really is frustrating standing in the queue whilst
people re-pack their luggage as they didn't comply with their contract
conditions.

Huh. You get people bringing on stuff that should be in the hold as
"hand luggage" (To avoid waiting at the other end and charges with the
cheapies.)

I have got on (long haul) flights and found my luggage locker above my
seat full with other people's stuff. So I can't even fit my legitimate
stuff in.

I have a cure, I just pull it out and throw it on the deck and put
mine in. Does cause a row sometimes.

So you need to be glad your airline is sorting these ****s out.
KLM was the worst for not enforcing baggage rules.
Lufthansa was the best. If your bag didn't go through a hoop, it went
in the hold.
Never been with Ryanair. Full of chavs I suppose.


When I flew with Virgin Atlantic a few times ago, when all the security was
really high again, they were checking the sizes of carry-ons actually on the
jetway, just prior to the aircraft door. Any that didn't fit were taken off
the people there and then, to go in the hold. I liked that, because it's one
of my pet hates as well, and I too have moved people's 'hand' luggage out of
'my' overhead locker.

The locker above your head is not "your" overhead locker. You are entitled to
put your stuff in any overhead locker space. The reason someone else's stuff
is where you wanted to put yours is because

a) you didn't board early enough
b) someone else's stuff was where they wanted to put theirs.

Ultimately this is because there simply isn't enough space, especially on a
narrow-body plane, for everyone to put the maximum handluggage allowance in
the overheads - just like with a 13A ring main diversity is assumed - and
because some seats do not have any overhead locker space (particularly near
the exits at the front of the plane) because it either doesn't exist at all,
or other equipment (DVD players for in flight entertainment or demonstration
kit for safety briefings) is kept in some of the lockers.

On May 29, 10:54*pm, Andy Champ wrote:

Send someone down to London on the train the day before. *Advanced train
tickets are pretty cheap...

And lose your onward flight. Airlines don't take kindly to you not
taking all of it if it's on one ticket.

Neil

On 27/05/11 17:37, harry wrote:
On May 27, 10:29 am, wrote:
In article
,
writes

Huh. You get people bringing on stuff that should be in the hold as
"hand luggage" (To avoid waiting at the other end and charges with the
cheapies.)

I have got on (long haul) flights and found my luggage locker above my
seat full with other people's stuff. So I can't even fit my legitimate
stuff in.

I have a cure, I just pull it out and throw it on the deck and put
mine in. Does cause a row sometimes.

I'm not surprised, you sound like a right dick, "my luggage locker"?,
do you expect the space on the road near your house to be left for
'your' parking too?
--
fred
FIVE TV's superbright logo - not the DOG's, it's ********

I have paid for a space for my hand luggage. I expect that space to be
there, not taken up by some pillock. So it is "my" luggage locker for
the duration of the flight.

Sorry but the airlines take a different view. It will never be possible for
everyone to use the locker space right above their heads, particularly on a
full flight, either because there isn't any usable space there anyway above
some seats, or the space is already full by the time you board.

On 27/05/11 17:37, Arfa Daily wrote:


"fred" wrote in message news
In article
, harry
writes

Huh. You get people bringing on stuff that should be in the hold as
"hand luggage" (To avoid waiting at the other end and charges with the
cheapies.)

I have got on (long haul) flights and found my luggage locker above my
seat full with other people's stuff. So I can't even fit my legitimate
stuff in.

I have a cure, I just pull it out and throw it on the deck and put
mine in. Does cause a row sometimes.

I'm not surprised, you sound like a right dick, "my luggage locker" ?, do
you expect the space on the road near your house to be left for 'your'
parking too?
--
fred
FIVE TV's superbright logo - not the DOG's, it's ********

But it *is* 'your' luggage locker. Presumably, you don't fly ? Each seat has
an allocated overhead luggage space, marked with a number to match the seat
it belongs to.

Um, I fly lots. No overhead locker has an allocated space on any plane I've
ever been on. Those markings on or adjacent to the locker are to show what
seats are below them, not which seats have the "right" to use that locker
space. You'll see those same markings on lockers or bulkheads above seats
that have no usable lockers above.

Having paid for the seat, that space is 'yours'.

Wrong.

It is the
people who bring excess amounts of excessively sized hand luggage on board,

I'm not denying there are people like this.

and expect to be able to accommodate it all in other passengers' space, who
are the arrogant dicks, not the likes of Derby Boy and myself, who object to
this practice.

It's anti-social yes. But it's first come first served for the space.

On 27/05/11 17:18, Ron Lowe wrote:
On 27/05/2011 14:04, Nightjar "cpb"@ insertmysurnamehere wrote:
On 27/05/2011 13:31, Robin wrote:
Of course, for really easy travelling, get
everything you need into a regulation size carry-on bag.


If only there were still "a regulation size carry-on bag"! I'm not a
frequent flyer but while waiting in Hong Kong last year I counted 4
different sizes specified by different airlines; and 3 different weight
limits too.

I usually only fly with BA, so that is not really a problem for me.

Colin Bignell

My problem with BA is this:

Every easter, we fly to Denver with BA.
It's the only direct flight in to Denver, the other options all stop in Chicago.

ABZ - LHR - DEN.

Now the baggage allowance on the transatlantic is 2 hold bags per person. But
on the connecting domestic flight, it's only 1 bag.

With a family of 4 with ski kit, that's quite restrictive!


It used to be the case that if your connecting flight were all on the same
PNR then the most generous restriction applied to the whole booking. But like
I said, it needs to be ticketed on the same PNR.

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...

On May 28, 10:30 pm, "BartC" wrote:

And in airport security queues, I've perfected the art of putting away all
items likely to trigger the detector, taken off my coat, and removed
laptop
from bag, all while shuffling along in the queue. Then I have to wait for
a
bunch of other people to do all that while standing at the conveyor!

Another bonus point for Geneva - running up to the metal detectors/X-
rays is a set of rolling conveyor type things. So you take your trays
and move along while filling them. A very good system that minimises
delay from people faffing - I wish they did it elsewhere.

Neil



That would confuse some dummies!

On May 31, 1:43*pm, "DerbyBoy" No-one wrote:

That would confuse some dummies!

It seems to work quite well. There are screens and scrolling messages
reminding you in French and English to move on while loading your
tray, and you usually find that if people ignore this they are soon
prompted to do so by impatient-looking business travellers.

It works pretty well and is far less stressful than having to load
trays quickly right by the machine.

Another option that I've not seen tried (but I think might work well)
might be that prior to the security queue you have a large "re-packing
area" where large re-usable clear plastic carrier bags are provided,
in which keys, wallets, belts, laptops etc can be placed. You then
don't enter the security queue until you are ready to exit it at the
scanner (with the possible exception of shoes), and if you do and
obviously aren't ready would be sent back by the person checking
boarding cards.

Neil

On Tue, 31 May 2011 04:44:10 -0700, Neil Williams wrote:

On May 28, 10:09Â*am, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

*Ryanair could implement this by charging you £1 for each person in
front
Â*of you in the queue when you join it ;-) Â*Never fly Ryanair myself...

Luton charge £3 to jump the security queue. I've sometimes wondered
whether adopting a budget airline style model on this might make some
sense - if the main queue is short, decrease it, if the main queue is
long, increase it. I've thought the same of the M6 Toll.

Reminds me of the drinks nights I've seen round here. Computerised tills,
and the amount you pay for a drink varies all night. The more popular the
drink, the higher the price - and vice versa.

--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

Reminds me of the drinks nights I've seen round here. Computerised
tills, and the amount you pay for a drink varies all night. The more
popular the drink, the higher the price - and vice versa.

I know the legislation on the display of prices of food and drink was
made more flexible a few years ago but I thought it was still necessary
to make the price available before punters ordered. Do they just ignore
that or do they have some sort of computer display that shows eg that a
pint of green Chartreuse is a bargain?

--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com

On Tue, 31 May 2011 17:37:58 +0100, Robin wrote:

Reminds me of the drinks nights I've seen round here. Computerised
tills, and the amount you pay for a drink varies all night. The more
popular the drink, the higher the price - and vice versa.

I know the legislation on the display of prices of food and drink was
made more flexible a few years ago but I thought it was still necessary
to make the price available before punters ordered. Do they just ignore
that or do they have some sort of computer display that shows eg that a
pint of green Chartreuse is a bargain?

They have a display. Wouldn't be any fun otherwise!

--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

They have a display. Wouldn't be any fun otherwise!

Thank you (and to Huge too).

I shall not be so indelicate to ask how many of your faculty have hacked
the system
--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com

On Tue, 31 May 2011 20:28:40 +0100, Robin wrote:


They have a display. Wouldn't be any fun otherwise!

Thank you (and to Huge too).

I shall not be so indelicate to ask how many of your faculty have hacked
the system

The biggest fun with that wouldn't be the drinking per se.

It would be using market forces to force the students to drink unsuitable
combinations....



--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:17:36 +0000, Huge wrote:

On 2011-05-31, Bob Eager wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2011 20:28:40 +0100, Robin wrote:


They have a display. Wouldn't be any fun otherwise!

Thank you (and to Huge too).

I shall not be so indelicate to ask how many of your faculty have
hacked the system

The biggest fun with that wouldn't be the drinking per se.

It would be using market forces to force the students to drink
unsuitable combinations....

*Are* there any unsuitable combinations, as far as students are
concerned?

Judging by the pictures of last weekend I'm seeing on Facebook...yes.

--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

On Tue, 31 May 2011 04:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Neil Williams wrote :
Luton charge £3 to jump the security queue. I've sometimes wondered
whether adopting a budget airline style model on this might make some
sense - if the main queue is short, decrease it, if the main queue is
long, increase it. I've thought the same of the M6 Toll.

The trouble with that is that it gives them a vested interest in
maintaining a queue for non-paying passengers. No point in paying to
jump a non-existent queue.

I'm not an advocate of speed cameras, but the one thing in favour of the
SPECS (long distance average speed ones) is that it gives TPTB a
financial interest in keeping traffic flowing.

--
Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on', Melbourne, Australia
www.superbeam.co.uk www.eurobeam.co.uk www.greentram.com

In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2011 20:28:40 +0100, Robin wrote:


They have a display. Wouldn't be any fun otherwise!

Thank you (and to Huge too).

I shall not be so indelicate to ask how many of your faculty have hacked
the system

The biggest fun with that wouldn't be the drinking per se.

It would be using market forces to force the students to drink unsuitable
combinations....

We didn't need no stinking market forces in my day ...
http://www.srcf.ucam.org/cusfs/drinks.html

Nick
--
Serendipity: http://www.leverton.org/blosxom (last update 29th March 2010)
"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996