In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
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I very rarely concentrate on my driving, its almost exclusively
handled in the subconscious, the same with e.g. skiing or other
occupations where automatic responses are better and faster than
conscious thought, even when driving at speeds over 100mph where you
wake up a bit

So you admit to having so many incidents that it has become a learnt
response.

No, you stupid ****

I used to, for example (when safe to do so), take a roundabout sideways
in a controlled skid when I was in my late teens, or lock the wheels on
ice to learn how to recover in a controlled manner - just like a pilot
learns to recover from a stall

So, the ability to recover from such a situation becomes innate

I know where my vehicle is on the road, how far that metallic personal
space extends. I usually forecast another car's intent to e.g. change
lanes before the driver seems to.

Because I pushed the limits, trained myself and learned to read the
road, these have all become second nature. I know I'm not alone, people
who push things a bit learn where the limits are and how to react as
second nature to events

Something you will never understand because you are an incompetent
useless ****er who shouldn't be let loose in anything as dangerous as a
car on a public highway


--
geoff

In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"Clot" wrote in message
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I agree with your general approach. It is driving safely under the
conditions such as you describe not foolish adherence to limits to
avoid technical transgression and more importantly not creating
danger by driving at the speed limit when conditions do not allow.

What stops the speed limit being the maximum speed you drive at?
Just because you think it is safer to drive above a speed limit doesn't
mean you have to.
Doing so just puts you in the class of drivers that don't care.
The next thing you will be doing is jumping lights because you can see
nothings coming, or driving the wrong way up one way streets because
you can see nothing coming, or ignoring turn restriction, etc.
You will be like geoff where everything that happens on the roads is
someone else's fault.


Well of course it is

If I see a dangerous situation developing, I take evasive action before
it has anything to do with me.

FOR EXAMPLE, on a motorway, my mind is constantly "what if"ing, checking
for an escape route, knowing what's behind and inside of me, etc

You see, the fact that I'm a positive driver doesn't mean that I'm not a
safe driver, its just that you can't see it because you are not mentally
equipped to do so

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geoff

In message , "dennis@home"
writes
Gatso cameras perform a useful function, they get drivers that
habitually speed points, fines and onto the police database.

No, they catch inattentive people who don't know that particular road,
locals will slow down and then speed up again

These drivers seldom only speed but do other things like running
lights, drive too close, and generally be idiots.
he sooner they attract police attention the better.

And where is your evidence for that

or is it just your ignorant prejudice coming to the fore again ?



I'm not defending poor 'care' here, just that it is possible to be
driving carefully and still miss 'information'.

If it happens often then I suggest you take some lessons or stop taking
the drugs.
Of course you wont know its happening until you have a few fines + points.


FWIW, part of why I like and have used a GPS for many years before
they became 'cool' was because I can ignore the general mess of
confusing road signs and therefore try to focus on those signs that
are important (like hazard warning and speed changes).

I have a gps with speed warning.

"Dennis, speed up you tortoise, there's a minimum speed limit here"

It tells you if you exceed the speed limit not if there is a camera there.
Its a tomtom like many people use to avoid cameras.
It shows that they intend to commit a crime if they only have it set to
warn of speed cameras.



--
geoff

In message , Clot
writes
geoff wrote:
In message , Clot
writes
geoff wrote:
In message , Clot
writes
As a person that got caught speeding in exactly the same situation,
I have a great deal of sympathy with your mate. In my instance, I
had been diligently keeping to a 40 mph limit (despite a queue of
cars up my tail) and was slowing down as I came into the 30mph
zone. They had just been moved (which I had forgotten). Low and
behold there was a camera van parked just within the 30mph zone. I
swear my rear bumper was still in the 40mph when they got me!

Got caught (33 in a 30 zone - I thought that was within the limit of
the limit) coming out of Much Wenlock just before it changed to 40
mph and well after the village had finished

I should have challenged it, but CBA

Fixed camera? Unlikely by the sounds of it. More likely the van on
it's collection round.



Yup - I saw it, looked at the speedo and my speed looked OK to me

Hmm! Though Brainstorm has left, just watch that none of the contents of his
horseboxes crosses the border. Offa's Dyke has sedimented up over the years
and is penetrable.

One day it might even be possible to ride a bike there without
victimisation


--
geoff

"geoff" wrote in message
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There is another alternative, which is to slow down to a
level where you can cope with the amount of information coming in, but
that's clearly a ridiculous idea.

Which tells me that you shouldn't really be driving, there is no natural
ability there

But you just said you're already driving at a level where you can cope
with
the amount of information coming in.

No I didn't, although I inferred it

That's fine - you're not the one who'll
be getting caught out by new speed limits or other unfamiliar situations.

Or are you now telling me that you do drive beyond your abilities?

No, why should you draw that conclusion ?

I didn't draw that conclusion. I'd only draw that conclusion if you were one
of the people who said they'd got caught out by new speed limits or other
unfamiliar situations. It's those people who need to put in a bit more
effort, not the people who are already doing enough.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Derek Geldard wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:11:22 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Derek Geldard wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:07:29 +0000, Frank Erskine
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:21:28 -0700 (PDT), Owain
had this to say:

And without cattle there'd be no leather so that would mean oil based
plastic substitutes for footwear, clothing and furniture.

Footwear - wooden clogs.
Clothing - cotton, wool or linen.
Furniture - wood and possibly cotton and/or wool.

Of course, not all 'plastic' stuff is oil-based - think bakelite.
Phenol Formaldehyde innit ?

Whereja get the phenol ?

Trees?

Its a naturally occuring substance in many plants. And a constituent of
creosote IIRC.

Whereja get the formaldehyde ?

Methanol. Otherwise known as 'wood alcohol' Guess where it comes from.


What useter be the rain forest ?

Without actually knowing my intuition tells me there will be less such
desirable content in fast growing softwoods.


More actually.

softwoods are loaded with resins that make great chemical feedstocks.

Up till about mid 1800's that and animal products was all there was in
terms of organic chemistry raw materials.

Really there aren't that many crucial materials that cant be replaced with
something else, in most products. Not in bulk, anyway. I means we use
steel , bricks and concrete because its cheap and abundant. Not because
its best.




So what is then if they're not ? "Best" in what sense ?

Arfa






Derek

"Clot" wrote in message
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Clive George wrote:
"T i m" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:17:32 -0000, "Clive George"
wrote:

"T i m" wrote in message
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The excuse used by poor drivers that they spend all their time
looking for
hazards and can't see the speed limit signs or the speedo is just
plain cr@p.


I think we've established that regularly driving the route doesn't
mean you know the signs. They may change.

Dunno about you, but I notice new works taking place on routes I drive
regularly. I'll see new sign posts, etc, and they're dull grey
things, not a shiny new reflective sign. A new speed limit sign is
more visually intrusive than many of the things you're looking out
for anyway, so claiming you missed it because you were lookig for
other things is bogus.
No one has said you can't see kid AND sign but most people would
assume the sign read today the same as it read for the last 10 years.

Was the case which prompted this thread a simple number change on the
sign? How common is a simple number change, as opposed to moving it,
putting some red paint down, putting a new yellow border on, putting
up a "Speed limits changed" sign? Every time I've seen a new speed
limit, it's not just been rewriting the number, it's always had other
changes to point it out.

You raise an interesting point there. Both the examples I mentioned in the
thread have been maintained by one county, (not Highways Agency). May be
the practice of moving numerical lollipops varies? Certainly in both the
cases, it appeared that the lollipops were moved "overnight" without
evident warnings. Possibly there were some waterproof notices attached to
the posts for a period of time before the transition and also some notice
in the local paper.




There was certainly no warnings of any of the ones that have moved around
our village, and no obviously valid *practical* reason for the move anyway.
Pretty much 'overnight', they just moved, and new ones, again for no
apparent reason, appeared to further restrict the speed on the stretches of
road between our village and the adjacent ones, from the 'national' limit
that had previously applied ...

Arfa

"Clive George" wrote in message
o.uk...
"Clot" wrote in message
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Clive George wrote:
"T i m" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:17:32 -0000, "Clive George"
wrote:

"T i m" wrote in message
...

The excuse used by poor drivers that they spend all their time
looking for
hazards and can't see the speed limit signs or the speedo is just
plain cr@p.


I think we've established that regularly driving the route doesn't
mean you know the signs. They may change.

Dunno about you, but I notice new works taking place on routes I drive
regularly. I'll see new sign posts, etc, and they're dull grey
things, not a shiny new reflective sign. A new speed limit sign is
more visually intrusive than many of the things you're looking out
for anyway, so claiming you missed it because you were lookig for
other things is bogus.
No one has said you can't see kid AND sign but most people would
assume the sign read today the same as it read for the last 10 years.

Was the case which prompted this thread a simple number change on the
sign? How common is a simple number change, as opposed to moving it,
putting some red paint down, putting a new yellow border on, putting
up a "Speed limits changed" sign? Every time I've seen a new speed
limit, it's not just been rewriting the number, it's always had other
changes to point it out.

You raise an interesting point there. Both the examples I mentioned in
the thread have been maintained by one county, (not Highways Agency). May
be the practice of moving numerical lollipops varies? Certainly in both
the cases, it appeared that the lollipops were moved "overnight" without
evident warnings. Possibly there were some waterproof notices attached to
the posts for a period of time before the transition and also some notice
in the local paper.

Moved, rather than just the number changing?


Ours did both. Overnight. No warning.

Arfa

geoff wrote:
In message , Clot
writes
geoff wrote:
In message , Clot
writes
geoff wrote:
In message , Clot
writes
As a person that got caught speeding in exactly the same
situation, I have a great deal of sympathy with your mate. In my
instance, I had been diligently keeping to a 40 mph limit
(despite a queue of cars up my tail) and was slowing down as I
came into the 30mph zone. They had just been moved (which I had
forgotten). Low and behold there was a camera van parked just
within the 30mph zone. I swear my rear bumper was still in the
40mph when they got me!
Got caught (33 in a 30 zone - I thought that was within the limit
of the limit) coming out of Much Wenlock just before it changed
to 40 mph and well after the village had finished

I should have challenged it, but CBA

Fixed camera? Unlikely by the sounds of it. More likely the van on
it's collection round.



Yup - I saw it, looked at the speedo and my speed looked OK to me

Hmm! Though Brainstorm has left, just watch that none of the
contents of his horseboxes crosses the border. Offa's Dyke has
sedimented up over the years and is penetrable.

One day it might even be possible to ride a bike there without
victimisation

Brainstorm was I gather, a keen advocate of bicycles even using one himself.
Didn't like those with engines, though!

"geoff" wrote in message
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In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
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I very rarely concentrate on my driving, its almost exclusively handled
in the subconscious, the same with e.g. skiing or other occupations
where automatic responses are better and faster than conscious thought,
even when driving at speeds over 100mph where you wake up a bit

So you admit to having so many incidents that it has become a learnt
response.

No, you stupid ****

I used to, for example (when safe to do so), take a roundabout sideways in
a controlled skid when I was in my late teens, or lock the wheels on ice
to learn how to recover in a controlled manner - just like a pilot learns
to recover from a stall

A pilot learns that in a simulator where possible, that's what simulators
are for, learning how to crash not how to fly.


So, the ability to recover from such a situation becomes innate

Rubbish, you would have to take it so far that you crashed to learn the
limits.
You really are a pratt.


I know where my vehicle is on the road, how far that metallic personal
space extends. I usually forecast another car's intent to e.g. change
lanes before the driver seems to.

The word "usually" is somewhat important when driving.


Because I pushed the limits, trained myself and learned to read the road,
these have all become second nature. I know I'm not alone, people who push
things a bit learn where the limits are and how to react as second nature
to events

Something you will never understand because you are an incompetent useless
****er who shouldn't be let loose in anything as dangerous as a car on a
public highway

But you are the one that has had accidents, I have none for over 30 years.

"geoff" wrote in message
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In message , "dennis@home"
writes
Gatso cameras perform a useful function, they get drivers that habitually
speed points, fines and onto the police database.

No, they catch inattentive people who don't know that particular road,
locals will slow down and then speed up again

That's why i like average speed cameras. 8-I

In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
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In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
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I very rarely concentrate on my driving, its almost exclusively
handled in the subconscious, the same with e.g. skiing or other
occupations where automatic responses are better and faster than
conscious thought, even when driving at speeds over 100mph where
you wake up a bit

So you admit to having so many incidents that it has become a learnt
response.

No, you stupid ****

I used to, for example (when safe to do so), take a roundabout
sideways in a controlled skid when I was in my late teens, or lock
the wheels on ice to learn how to recover in a controlled manner -
just like a pilot learns to recover from a stall

A pilot learns that in a simulator where possible, that's what
simulators are for, learning how to crash not how to fly.

No - that's because they are cheaper than the real thing. There is no
substitute for real experience, however many blow up dolls you might
have dennis

The bottom line is that you really can't make a useful comment since you
have no experience



So, the ability to recover from such a situation becomes innate

Rubbish, you would have to take it so far that you crashed to learn the
limits.

Err why ?

I didn't and I haven't

You really are a pratt.

No I'm not, however, your ability to jump to incorrect conclusions would
indicate that you are

And you're a coward who hides behind a a munged ID. Face to face, I
wonder if you would be so brave, I think not

Any little turd (by which I mean you) can sit behind a keyboard and
spout such rubbish, but when push comes to shove, you're not man enough
to show your face. (although from your claimed work history, I could
prolly piece it together)

You'll never understand what it means to live outside that safe,
sterile, risk minimised little world you inhabit. Maybe that's part of
your problem, you are jealous and don't see why others should visit the
domain of "safe" beyond which you are scared to go.

Would we have discovered other continents, broken records, scaled the
worlds peaks if we were all scared little ****es like you ? No of course
we wouldn't, we wouldn't even still be sitting in mud huts as we'd have
been wiped out by others who push their boundaries and explore and
conquer

You're a spineless parasite who wants to drag everyone down to your
level because you don't have the guts to look beyond your little box



I know where my vehicle is on the road, how far that metallic
personal space extends. I usually forecast another car's intent to
e.g. change lanes before the driver seems to.

The word "usually" is somewhat important when driving.

And ?

It means I am in a better position to accommodate someone who is about
to pull out into the overtaking lane in front of me

At worst, it means I can only be as poor a driver as you



Because I pushed the limits, trained myself and learned to read the
road, these have all become second nature. I know I'm not alone,
people who push things a bit learn where the limits are and how to
react as second nature to events

Something you will never understand because you are an incompetent
useless ****er who shouldn't be let loose in anything as dangerous as
a car on a public highway

But you are the one that has had accidents, I have none for over 30 years.

What accidents?

What have you done at all in over 30 years, other than grown old


--
geoff

In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
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In message , "dennis@home"
writes
Gatso cameras perform a useful function, they get drivers that
habitually speed points, fines and onto the police database.

No, they catch inattentive people who don't know that particular
road, locals will slow down and then speed up again

That's why i like average speed cameras. 8-I

Do they give you an orgasm ?


--
geoff

geoff wrote:
In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
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I very rarely concentrate on my driving, its almost exclusively
handled in the subconscious, the same with e.g. skiing or other
occupations where automatic responses are better and faster than
conscious thought, even when driving at speeds over 100mph where
you wake up a bit

So you admit to having so many incidents that it has become a
learnt response.

No, you stupid ****

I used to, for example (when safe to do so), take a roundabout
sideways in a controlled skid when I was in my late teens, or lock
the wheels on ice to learn how to recover in a controlled manner -
just like a pilot learns to recover from a stall

A pilot learns that in a simulator where possible, that's what
simulators are for, learning how to crash not how to fly.

No - that's because they are cheaper than the real thing. There is no
substitute for real experience, however many blow up dolls you might
have dennis

The bottom line is that you really can't make a useful comment since
you have no experience



So, the ability to recover from such a situation becomes innate

Rubbish, you would have to take it so far that you crashed to learn
the limits.

Err why ?

I didn't and I haven't

You really are a pratt.

No I'm not, however, your ability to jump to incorrect conclusions
would indicate that you are

And you're a coward who hides behind a a munged ID. Face to face, I
wonder if you would be so brave, I think not

Any little turd (by which I mean you) can sit behind a keyboard and
spout such rubbish, but when push comes to shove, you're not man
enough to show your face. (although from your claimed work history, I
could prolly piece it together)

You'll never understand what it means to live outside that safe,
sterile, risk minimised little world you inhabit. Maybe that's part of
your problem, you are jealous and don't see why others should visit
the domain of "safe" beyond which you are scared to go.

Would we have discovered other continents, broken records, scaled the
worlds peaks if we were all scared little ****es like you ? No of
course we wouldn't, we wouldn't even still be sitting in mud huts as
we'd have been wiped out by others who push their boundaries and
explore and conquer

You're a spineless parasite who wants to drag everyone down to your
level because you don't have the guts to look beyond your little box



I know where my vehicle is on the road, how far that metallic
personal space extends. I usually forecast another car's intent to
e.g. change lanes before the driver seems to.

The word "usually" is somewhat important when driving.

And ?

It means I am in a better position to accommodate someone who is about
to pull out into the overtaking lane in front of me

At worst, it means I can only be as poor a driver as you



Because I pushed the limits, trained myself and learned to read the
road, these have all become second nature. I know I'm not alone,
people who push things a bit learn where the limits are and how to
react as second nature to events

Something you will never understand because you are an incompetent
useless ****er who shouldn't be let loose in anything as dangerous
as a car on a public highway

But you are the one that has had accidents, I have none for over 30
years.
What accidents?

What have you done at all in over 30 years, other than grown old

Possibily caused incidents, or accidents, in which he was not "involved"?

geoff wrote:
In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
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In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
...


I very rarely concentrate on my driving, its almost exclusively
handled in the subconscious, the same with e.g. skiing or other
occupations where automatic responses are better and faster than
conscious thought, even when driving at speeds over 100mph where
you wake up a bit

So you admit to having so many incidents that it has become a learnt
response.

No, you stupid ****

I used to, for example (when safe to do so), take a roundabout
sideways in a controlled skid when I was in my late teens, or lock
the wheels on ice to learn how to recover in a controlled manner -
just like a pilot learns to recover from a stall

A pilot learns that in a simulator where possible, that's what
simulators are for, learning how to crash not how to fly.

No - that's because they are cheaper than the real thing. There is no
substitute for real experience, however many blow up dolls you might
have dennis


No, they do NOT learn that in a simulator. Having been in a pilot
'driving test' flight, they learn by doing it at safe altitude under
supervision. stall at 3500 ft, and recover in the correct and safe manner.

Same for one engine failing on takeoff..drop the prop back to feather
and pull the throttle, and make the testee fly it up to safe altitude
after a 'touch and go'


I dunno where you get your facts from Dennnis, but its time you
considered using reality instead of firmly held belief to guide your
opinions.



The bottom line is that you really can't make a useful comment since you
have no experience

That would seem to be the case, yes.




So, the ability to recover from such a situation becomes innate

Rubbish, you would have to take it so far that you crashed to learn
the limits.

Err why ?


No idea. Dennis isn;'t capable of rational argument.

I learnt skid control on snow in our road, at 10mph, on wet leaves on
country lanes at somewhat higher speed, and at Brands hatch in the
pouring rain in a go kart. Memorable experience on slicks,

Managed NOT to crash. BUT it took some doing.

"Clot" wrote in message
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Arfa Daily wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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wrote:
On 28 Oct, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Coal doesn't need a forced draught.

I've come across coal that needed forced draught, and even then
hardly worked.

anthracitye is teh only pone. and to an exteng dry steam coal. Thse
have low hydrocarbon content compare with lignite of normal
bituminous.

Coke does.

How did the braziers used by nigh****chmen in the 50s work? They
were coke in
a can with holes in and natural draught. Coal would have been
stolen.

If coke was so easy to use, coke would have been stolen too..

I THOUGHT they were coal actually. I guess coke must just about burn
without forced draught, but is hard work. WE used to buy anthracite,
coke and steam coal for a closed stove/fire. All were a devil to
light compared with normal bituminous coal. Coal is a cinch in an
open fire. W used to use some steam coal or coke in the open fire, but
it
wasn't self sustaining - always needed ordinary coal.


There was a small gasworks near where I live. The site is still
there, and the old coking furnace and chimney are still in place, and
form a 'feature' of the use that the building is now put to. The coke
that was produced from the gas making process, went to a car engine
casting plant nearby, and was also bagged and sold to the general
public, so there must have been a demand for it for 'household' use.
I seem to remember my parents buying both coal and coke, and I have a
dim recollection of a fire being 'made' with coal, and then banked
with coke, which burnt much more slowly, and gave off a more steady
heat than a roaring fire up the chimmally ... I also seem to recall
the fire being 'calmed' at night by banking it up with powdered and
chipped coal that my old dad used to refer to as "nutty slack" I
think it was ??

Indeed. But you are surely teasing us with your alleged ignorance? When I
were a nipper, t'was me duty to maintain the central heater boiler which
thrived on coke. To get it started, I'd use them wooden boxes which were
used to import items. I had to use the axe and ensure that the sticks were
of the right dimensions to fit int' 'ole and elp combustion. Then some
suitable quantity of appropriately sized coal to git the bsggsr goin'.

Eh up, I forgot the paper that were stuck on the nail ont' door of the
small room that I put in the boiler before the wooden sticks.

Then, the main fuel, coke.

Now, if you wished to avoid excessive work, you learnt when and how to
riddle the grate to ensure that all the clinker went through. If you
failed to keep it goin', mum was not best pleased, especially on a
Monday!.


Was this before or after you'd been shoved up a chimney to clean it?

mark

"geoff" wrote in message
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In message , "dennis@home"
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"geoff" wrote in message
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In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
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I very rarely concentrate on my driving, its almost exclusively
handled in the subconscious, the same with e.g. skiing or other
occupations where automatic responses are better and faster than
conscious thought, even when driving at speeds over 100mph where you
wake up a bit

So you admit to having so many incidents that it has become a learnt
response.

No, you stupid ****

I used to, for example (when safe to do so), take a roundabout sideways
in a controlled skid when I was in my late teens, or lock the wheels on
ice to learn how to recover in a controlled manner - just like a pilot
learns to recover from a stall

A pilot learns that in a simulator where possible, that's what simulators
are for, learning how to crash not how to fly.

No - that's because they are cheaper than the real thing. There is no
substitute for real experience, however many blow up dolls you might have
dennis

They are not cheaper, and you can't learn to crash the real thing.
Its easy to learn to take off, fly and land the real thing, even my daughter
has flown a plane.


The bottom line is that you really can't make a useful comment since you
have no experience

You can comment on poor driving because you are a poor driver, I can comment
on how to avoid crashing, avoiding getting speeding fines, and not having a
breakdown all of which you have managed to do.

So, the ability to recover from such a situation becomes innate

Rubbish, you would have to take it so far that you crashed to learn the
limits.

Err why ?

I didn't and I haven't

That's what I said, you haven't learnt much have you?


You really are a pratt.

No I'm not, however, your ability to jump to incorrect conclusions would
indicate that you are

And you're a coward who hides behind a a munged ID. Face to face, I wonder
if you would be so brave, I think not

Any little turd (by which I mean you) can sit behind a keyboard and spout
such rubbish, but when push comes to shove, you're not man enough to show
your face. (although from your claimed work history, I could prolly piece
it together)

You'll never understand what it means to live outside that safe, sterile,
risk minimised little world you inhabit. Maybe that's part of your
problem, you are jealous and don't see why others should visit the domain
of "safe" beyond which you are scared to go.

Your trouble is that you like to endanger others.
If you like to drive fast why don't you try a racing circuit or are you too
scared?
The public roads are not yours.


Would we have discovered other continents, broken records, scaled the
worlds peaks if we were all scared little ****es like you ? No of course
we wouldn't, we wouldn't even still be sitting in mud huts as we'd have
been wiped out by others who push their boundaries and explore and
conquer

You're a spineless parasite who wants to drag everyone down to your level
because you don't have the guts to look beyond your little box

If you want to pay I will race you around the Nuremberg ring any day.




I know where my vehicle is on the road, how far that metallic personal
space extends. I usually forecast another car's intent to e.g. change
lanes before the driver seems to.

The word "usually" is somewhat important when driving.

And ?

It means I am in a better position to accommodate someone who is about to
pull out into the overtaking lane in front of me

You said you can usually do so, then on the occasion you can't you swerve to
avoid them and kill an innocent pedestrian.
Until you can always predict what will happen you are driving beyond your
skill level.


At worst, it means I can only be as poor a driver as you

I can assure you that you are a worse driver than you think.



Because I pushed the limits, trained myself and learned to read the
road, these have all become second nature. I know I'm not alone, people
who push things a bit learn where the limits are and how to react as
second nature to events

Something you will never understand because you are an incompetent
useless ****er who shouldn't be let loose in anything as dangerous as a
car on a public highway

But you are the one that has had accidents, I have none for over 30 years.

What accidents?

Have you forgotten them, memory is a problem for you then.


What have you done at all in over 30 years, other than grown old

Had a family, saved a few lives, had fun, unlike you as you get frustrated
easily and start shouting your bad mouth off.

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I very rarely concentrate on my driving, its almost exclusively
handled in the subconscious, the same with e.g. skiing or other
occupations where automatic responses are better and faster than
conscious thought, even when driving at speeds over 100mph where
you wake up a bit

So you admit to having so many incidents that it has become a learnt
response.

No, you stupid ****

I used to, for example (when safe to do so), take a roundabout sideways
in a controlled skid when I was in my late teens, or lock the wheels
on ice to learn how to recover in a controlled manner - just like a
pilot learns to recover from a stall

A pilot learns that in a simulator where possible, that's what
simulators are for, learning how to crash not how to fly.

No - that's because they are cheaper than the real thing. There is no
substitute for real experience, however many blow up dolls you might have
dennis


No, they do NOT learn that in a simulator. Having been in a pilot 'driving
test' flight, they learn by doing it at safe altitude under supervision.
stall at 3500 ft, and recover in the correct and safe manner.

Same for one engine failing on takeoff..drop the prop back to feather and
pull the throttle, and make the testee fly it up to safe altitude after a
'touch and go'

Aeroplanes not toys.
The simulators cost more than some £25k Cessna so they do simple stuff in
them.
It won't teach you anything about what happens when the wings are nearly
torn off by wind shear or what happens with icing or when both engines fail.



I dunno where you get your facts from Dennnis, but its time you considered
using reality instead of firmly held belief to guide your opinions.



The bottom line is that you really can't make a useful comment since you
have no experience

That would seem to be the case, yes.




So, the ability to recover from such a situation becomes innate

Rubbish, you would have to take it so far that you crashed to learn the
limits.

Err why ?


No idea. Dennis isn;'t capable of rational argument.

I learnt skid control on snow in our road, at 10mph, on wet leaves on
country lanes at somewhat higher speed, and at Brands hatch in the pouring
rain in a go kart. Memorable experience on slicks,

Managed NOT to crash. BUT it took some doing.

Geoff said he learnt the limits, obviously neither you nor he did, to do so
would have required you the crash.
You just did what I used deserted car parks for, sliding about a bit.
Great fun but its also important to be able to not slide around at all.
It takes more skill to drive on snow and ice without sliding than to put the
tail out.
That's the difference between geoff and me and probably you, I don't put
other people in danger by doing it on the public roads.

dennis@home wrote:


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I very rarely concentrate on my driving, its almost exclusively
handled in the subconscious, the same with e.g. skiing or other
occupations where automatic responses are better and faster
than conscious thought, even when driving at speeds over 100mph
where you wake up a bit

So you admit to having so many incidents that it has become a
learnt response.

No, you stupid ****

I used to, for example (when safe to do so), take a roundabout
sideways in a controlled skid when I was in my late teens, or lock
the wheels on ice to learn how to recover in a controlled manner -
just like a pilot learns to recover from a stall

A pilot learns that in a simulator where possible, that's what
simulators are for, learning how to crash not how to fly.

No - that's because they are cheaper than the real thing. There is no
substitute for real experience, however many blow up dolls you might
have dennis


No, they do NOT learn that in a simulator. Having been in a pilot
'driving test' flight, they learn by doing it at safe altitude under
supervision. stall at 3500 ft, and recover in the correct and safe
manner.

Same for one engine failing on takeoff..drop the prop back to feather
and pull the throttle, and make the testee fly it up to safe altitude
after a 'touch and go'

Aeroplanes not toys.

Well if you think a twin engine AZTEC is a toy I guess that's so.


The simulators cost more than some £25k Cessna so they do simple stuff
in them.

You have just contradicted yourself.

Pilots do not learn to fly on simulators or airliners, they learn on
light aircraft.

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I very rarely concentrate on my driving, its almost exclusively
handled in the subconscious, the same with e.g. skiing or
other occupations where automatic responses are better
and faster than conscious thought, even when driving at
speeds over 100mph where you wake up a bit

So you admit to having so many incidents that it has become a
learnt response.

No, you stupid ****

I used to, for example (when safe to do so), take a roundabout
sideways in a controlled skid when I was in my late teens, or
lock the wheels on ice to learn how to recover in a controlled
manner - just like a pilot learns to recover from a stall

A pilot learns that in a simulator where possible, that's what
simulators are for, learning how to crash not how to fly.

No - that's because they are cheaper than the real thing. There is
no substitute for real experience, however many blow up dolls you
might have dennis

They are not cheaper, and you can't learn to crash the real thing.
Its easy to learn to take off, fly and land the real thing, even my
daughter has flown a plane.

So you're saying that (Cessnas and their ilk aside) that e.g. an Airbus
380 is cheaper than it's simulator ?

I don't think so

You haven't a clue, have you?




The bottom line is that you really can't make a useful comment
since you have no experience

You can comment on poor driving because you are a poor driver, I
can comment on how to avoid crashing, avoiding getting speeding
fines, and not having a breakdown all of which you have managed to
do.

Err what, where did you glean these fictitious gems Dennis

It can't be from your overactive imagination - you don't have one

Time you stopped trying to make things up, it just doesn't work, you
retard



So, the ability to recover from such a situation becomes innate

Rubbish, you would have to take it so far that you crashed to
learn the limits.

Err why ?

I didn't and I haven't

That's what I said, you haven't learnt much have you?

Dennis, you've gone way past the point where anything you say makes
sense

You should stick to ...

err well,

masturbation - you're prolly quite good at that




You really are a pratt.

No I'm not, however, your ability to jump to incorrect conclusions
would indicate that you are

And you're a coward who hides behind a a munged ID. Face to
face, I wonder if you would be so brave, I think not

Any little turd (by which I mean you) can sit behind a keyboard and
spout such rubbish, but when push comes to shove, you're not
man enough to show your face. (although from your claimed work
history, I could prolly piece it together)

You'll never understand what it means to live outside that safe,
sterile, risk minimised little world you inhabit. Maybe that's part of
your problem, you are jealous and don't see why others should
visit the domain of "safe" beyond which you are scared to go.

Your trouble is that you like to endanger others.
If you like to drive fast why don't you try a racing circuit or are you
too scared?

Err ...

how would that get me from where I want to go from and to ?

The public roads are not yours.

I think you'll find that they are oh stupid knight of the carriageways



Would we have discovered other continents, broken records,
scaled the worlds peaks if we were all scared little ****es like you
? No of course we wouldn't, we wouldn't even still be sitting in mud
huts as we'd have been wiped out by others who push their
boundaries and explore and conquer

You're a spineless parasite who wants to drag everyone down to
your level because you don't have the guts to look beyond your
little box

If you want to pay I will race you around the Nuremberg ring any day.


Dennis, dennis, dennis

You stupid

stupid


geographically challenged

imbe
cile


The Nürnberg ring is in the Schöne Brunnen in the Hauptmarkt opposite
the Frauenkirche. There are two, one made of brass

(http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...erg.jpg&fileti
mestamp=20090128165655)

And (the real ) one made of iron



I assume you really meant the Nürburgring, its about 30km WEST of
Koblenz about 250km away


Race it ???

You couldn't even find it

and subjecting our European cousins to you trying to drive on the RHS of
the road is not something I'd be prepared to do






I know where my vehicle is on the road, how far that metallic
personal space extends. I usually forecast another car's intent
to e.g. change lanes before the driver seems to.

The word "usually" is somewhat important when driving.

And ?

It means I am in a better position to accommodate someone who
is about to pull out into the overtaking lane in front of me

You said you can usually do so, then on the occasion you can't you
swerve to avoid them and kill an innocent pedestrian.

No, I didn't say that, did I

If I don't see the "body language" of a vehicle making such a manoeuvre,
then I am, at worst, in the same position as you

Talking of overtaking lanes, by inference means dual carriageways or
motorway driving - not somewhere where pedestrians should be wandering

You really are a tedious waste of time and space

Until you can always predict what will happen you are driving beyond
your skill level.

Nobody can do that



At worst, it means I can only be as poor a driver as you

I can assure you that you are a worse driver than you think.

Everybody is

But I know I'm a better driver than you would ever be




Because I pushed the limits, trained myself and learned to read
the road, these have all become second nature. I know I'm not
alone, people who push things a bit learn where the limits are
and how to react as second nature to events

Something you will never understand because you are an
incompetent useless ****er who shouldn't be let loose in
anything as dangerous as a car on a public highway

But you are the one that has had accidents, I have none for over 30 years.

What accidents?

Have you forgotten them, memory is a problem for you then.


What have you done at all in over 30 years, other than grown old

Had a family,

Have you driven them all to drink and drugs now that you have been put
out to grass

saved a few lives,

And how many did you bore to death ?

had fun,

You can only get so much from masturbation

unlike you as you get frustrated easily and start shouting your bad
mouth off.


Clueless, aren't you


--
geoff

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dennis@home wrote:


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geoff wrote:
In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
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In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
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I very rarely concentrate on my driving, its almost exclusively
handled in the subconscious, the same with e.g. skiing or other
occupations where automatic responses are better and faster than
conscious thought, even when driving at speeds over 100mph where
you wake up a bit

So you admit to having so many incidents that it has become a learnt
response.

No, you stupid ****

I used to, for example (when safe to do so), take a roundabout
sideways in a controlled skid when I was in my late teens, or lock
the wheels on ice to learn how to recover in a controlled manner -
just like a pilot learns to recover from a stall

A pilot learns that in a simulator where possible, that's what
simulators are for, learning how to crash not how to fly.

No - that's because they are cheaper than the real thing. There is no
substitute for real experience, however many blow up dolls you might
have dennis


No, they do NOT learn that in a simulator. Having been in a pilot
'driving test' flight, they learn by doing it at safe altitude under
supervision. stall at 3500 ft, and recover in the correct and safe
manner.

Same for one engine failing on takeoff..drop the prop back to feather
and pull the throttle, and make the testee fly it up to safe altitude
after a 'touch and go'

Aeroplanes not toys.

Well if you think a twin engine AZTEC is a toy I guess that's so.


The simulators cost more than some £25k Cessna so they do simple stuff
in them.

You have just contradicted yourself.

No I haven't.


Pilots do not learn to fly on simulators or airliners, they learn on light
aircraft.

So you do agree with what I actually said then!

I aid they don't learn to fly on them they learn to crash on them.

Maybe you need to read more?

Are you on the drink early tonight?

geoff wrote:
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"dennis@home" writes


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I very rarely concentrate on my driving, its almost exclusively
handled in the subconscious, the same with e.g. skiing or
other occupations where automatic responses are better
and faster than conscious thought, even when driving at
speeds over 100mph where you wake up a bit

So you admit to having so many incidents that it has become a
learnt response.

No, you stupid ****

I used to, for example (when safe to do so), take a roundabout
sideways in a controlled skid when I was in my late teens, or
lock the wheels on ice to learn how to recover in a controlled
manner - just like a pilot learns to recover from a stall

A pilot learns that in a simulator where possible, that's what
simulators are for, learning how to crash not how to fly.

No - that's because they are cheaper than the real thing. There is
no substitute for real experience, however many blow up dolls you
might have dennis

They are not cheaper, and you can't learn to crash the real thing.
Its easy to learn to take off, fly and land the real thing, even my
daughter has flown a plane.

So you're saying that (Cessnas and their ilk aside) that e.g. an
Airbus 380 is cheaper than it's simulator ?

I don't think so

You haven't a clue, have you?




The bottom line is that you really can't make a useful comment
since you have no experience

You can comment on poor driving because you are a poor driver, I
can comment on how to avoid crashing, avoiding getting speeding
fines, and not having a breakdown all of which you have managed to
do.

Err what, where did you glean these fictitious gems Dennis

It can't be from your overactive imagination - you don't have one

Time you stopped trying to make things up, it just doesn't work, you
retard



So, the ability to recover from such a situation becomes innate

Rubbish, you would have to take it so far that you crashed to
learn the limits.

Err why ?

I didn't and I haven't

That's what I said, you haven't learnt much have you?

Dennis, you've gone way past the point where anything you say makes
sense

You should stick to ...

err well,

masturbation - you're prolly quite good at that




You really are a pratt.

No I'm not, however, your ability to jump to incorrect conclusions
would indicate that you are

And you're a coward who hides behind a a munged ID. Face to
face, I wonder if you would be so brave, I think not

Any little turd (by which I mean you) can sit behind a keyboard and
spout such rubbish, but when push comes to shove, you're not
man enough to show your face. (although from your claimed work
history, I could prolly piece it together)

You'll never understand what it means to live outside that safe,
sterile, risk minimised little world you inhabit. Maybe that's
part of your problem, you are jealous and don't see why others
should
visit the domain of "safe" beyond which you are scared to go.

Your trouble is that you like to endanger others.
If you like to drive fast why don't you try a racing circuit or are
you too scared?

Err ...

how would that get me from where I want to go from and to ?

The public roads are not yours.

I think you'll find that they are oh stupid knight of the carriageways



Would we have discovered other continents, broken records,
scaled the worlds peaks if we were all scared little ****es like
you ? No of course we wouldn't, we wouldn't even still be sitting
in mud huts as we'd have been wiped out by others who push their
boundaries and explore and conquer

You're a spineless parasite who wants to drag everyone down to
your level because you don't have the guts to look beyond your
little box

If you want to pay I will race you around the Nuremberg ring any day.


Dennis, dennis, dennis

You stupid

stupid


geographically challenged


imbe cile


The Nürnberg ring is in the Schöne Brunnen in the Hauptmarkt opposite
the Frauenkirche. There are two, one made of brass

(http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...erg.jpg&fileti
mestamp=20090128165655)

And (the real ) one made of iron



I assume you really meant the Nürburgring, its about 30km WEST of
Koblenz about 250km away


Race it ???

You couldn't even find it

and subjecting our European cousins to you trying to drive on the RHS
of the road is not something I'd be prepared to do






I know where my vehicle is on the road, how far that metallic
personal space extends. I usually forecast another car's intent
to e.g. change lanes before the driver seems to.

The word "usually" is somewhat important when driving.

And ?

It means I am in a better position to accommodate someone who
is about to pull out into the overtaking lane in front of me

You said you can usually do so, then on the occasion you can't you
swerve to avoid them and kill an innocent pedestrian.

No, I didn't say that, did I

If I don't see the "body language" of a vehicle making such a
manoeuvre, then I am, at worst, in the same position as you

Talking of overtaking lanes, by inference means dual carriageways or
motorway driving - not somewhere where pedestrians should be wandering

You really are a tedious waste of time and space

Until you can always predict what will happen you are driving beyond
your skill level.

Nobody can do that



At worst, it means I can only be as poor a driver as you

I can assure you that you are a worse driver than you think.

Everybody is

But I know I'm a better driver than you would ever be




Because I pushed the limits, trained myself and learned to read
the road, these have all become second nature. I know I'm not
alone, people who push things a bit learn where the limits are
and how to react as second nature to events

Something you will never understand because you are an
incompetent useless ****er who shouldn't be let loose in
anything as dangerous as a car on a public highway

But you are the one that has had accidents, I have none for over
30 years.

What accidents?

Have you forgotten them, memory is a problem for you then.


What have you done at all in over 30 years, other than grown old

Had a family,

Have you driven them all to drink and drugs now that you have been put
out to grass

saved a few lives,

And how many did you bore to death ?

had fun,

You can only get so much from masturbation

unlike you as you get frustrated easily and start shouting your bad
mouth off.


Clueless, aren't you

You have patience that exceeds mine. dennis is not of the real world and
possibly has caused accidents that of course he has not been affected by due
to his approach to driving.

dennis@home wrote:


That's the difference between geoff and me and probably you, I don't
put other people in danger by doing it on the public roads.

What about the bloke walking in front of your car with the red flag? You
might run him over?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"geoff" wrote in message
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Talking of overtaking lanes, by inference means dual carriageways or
motorway driving - not somewhere where pedestrians should be wandering

Yet more evidence that you are stupid I see.

"Clot" wrote in message
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You have patience that exceeds mine. dennis is not of the real world and
possibly has caused accidents that of course he has not been affected by
due to his approach to driving.

I thought AOL had long gone but some clot still thinks he is using it.

The Medway Handyman wrote:
dennis@home wrote:


That's the difference between geoff and me and probably you, I don't
put other people in danger by doing it on the public roads.

What about the bloke walking in front of your car with the red flag? You
might run him over?

Elfin Safety tells me I cannot drive when he is in the road.

MAJOR ALLERT! dennis is on the road and caused major gridlock for the UK.

"Clot" wrote in message
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
dennis@home wrote:


That's the difference between geoff and me and probably you, I don't
put other people in danger by doing it on the public roads.

What about the bloke walking in front of your car with the red flag? You
might run him over?

Elfin Safety tells me I cannot drive when he is in the road.

MAJOR ALLERT! dennis is on the road and caused major gridlock for the UK.

Isn't it funny how all you macho drivers stoop to such stupid claims.
I suppose its because you don't have a leg to stand on.

In message , mark
wrote

They are subsidised by the Energy companies.

And why do you think energy prices to the customer are so high?

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geoff wrote:
In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
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writes


"geoff" wrote in message
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I very rarely concentrate on my driving, its almost exclusively
handled in the subconscious, the same with e.g. skiing or other
occupations where automatic responses are better and faster than
conscious thought, even when driving at speeds over 100mph where
you wake up a bit

So you admit to having so many incidents that it has become a learnt
response.

No, you stupid ****

I used to, for example (when safe to do so), take a roundabout
sideways in a controlled skid when I was in my late teens, or lock
the wheels on ice to learn how to recover in a controlled manner -
just like a pilot learns to recover from a stall

In days gone by, I did the same and got my then finance to do the same
so she could experience the get out procedure.

A pilot learns that in a simulator where possible, that's what
simulators are for, learning how to crash not how to fly.

No, they definitely are not.

Having spent over 30 years in the fast jet industry, they are used to
train the pilots in the predicted behaviour of a development aircraft
and the software is up-dated after every development flight, to take
account of what the test pilot found out during his last flight.
Development flight test is a huge department covering aspects of
monitoring development flights. If you want details, I can post them

One pilot is assigned as chief test pilot for every project until other
test pilots can fly it, having learned on the simulator what can go wrong.

No - that's because they are cheaper than the real thing. There is no
substitute for real experience, however many blow up dolls you might
have dennis

This begs the question of why there are so few car driving simulators. I
think we could do with a lot more.


Because I pushed the limits, trained myself and learned to read the
road, these have all become second nature. I know I'm not alone,
people who push things a bit learn where the limits are and how to
react as second nature to events

You couldn't be more right here.

When I taught our daughter to drive, I would give her a running
commentary about what was going through my mind while I was driving.
Before she passed her test, I taught her to look over her right shoulder
before she pulled away. Much like a motorcyclist should before he sets
off, or pulls out of his lane. Her driving instructor was most impressed
with this.

One day, many years after she had passed her driving test, I was driving
her through Southsea in Portsmouth. There was a transit type van parked
on the right hand side of the road on a right hand bend, but the van was
on the pavement. I spotted a woman behind the van heading for the Zebra
crossing and stopped to let her cross. Daughter was amazed at that. But
that only comes from experience.


Dave

In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"Clot" wrote in message
...
The Medway Handyman wrote:
dennis@home wrote:


That's the difference between geoff and me and probably you, I don't
put other people in danger by doing it on the public roads.

What about the bloke walking in front of your car with the red flag?
You might run him over?

Elfin Safety tells me I cannot drive when he is in the road.

MAJOR ALLERT! dennis is on the road and caused major gridlock for the UK.

Isn't it funny how all you macho drivers stoop to such stupid claims.
I suppose its because you don't have a leg to stand on.


Who said anything about people being macho drivers - you're jumping to
conclusions again

I bet they aren't as geographically challenged as you are though

imbecile

--
geoff

In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
...

Talking of overtaking lanes, by inference means dual carriageways or
motorway driving - not somewhere where pedestrians should be wandering

Yet more evidence that you are stupid I see.

Err what evidence was that, cosmo ?


--
geoff

"Dave" wrote in message
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geoff wrote:
In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
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In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
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I very rarely concentrate on my driving, its almost exclusively
handled in the subconscious, the same with e.g. skiing or other
occupations where automatic responses are better and faster than
conscious thought, even when driving at speeds over 100mph where
you wake up a bit

So you admit to having so many incidents that it has become a learnt
response.

No, you stupid ****

I used to, for example (when safe to do so), take a roundabout sideways
in a controlled skid when I was in my late teens, or lock the wheels
on ice to learn how to recover in a controlled manner - just like a
pilot learns to recover from a stall

In days gone by, I did the same and got my then finance to do the same so
she could experience the get out procedure.

A pilot learns that in a simulator where possible, that's what
simulators are for, learning how to crash not how to fly.

No, they definitely are not.

So you think that pilots aren't put through training in a simulator that
involves then crashing if they get it wrong.
Like engine faults, fires, stall, and anything else they have time for?

"geoff" wrote in message
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In message , "dennis@home"
writes


"geoff" wrote in message
...

Talking of overtaking lanes, by inference means dual carriageways or
motorway driving - not somewhere where pedestrians should be wandering

Yet more evidence that you are stupid I see.

Err what evidence was that, cosmo ?

The fact that you think pedestrians shouldn't be where there are overtaking
lanes.
You must need your eyes testing if you can't see pedestrians where there are
overtaking lanes.


--
geoff

dennis@home wrote:

Same for one engine failing on takeoff..drop the prop back to feather
and pull the throttle, and make the testee fly it up to safe altitude
after a 'touch and go'

Aeroplanes not toys.
The simulators cost more than some £25k Cessna so they do simple stuff
in them.
It won't teach you anything about what happens when the wings are nearly
torn off by wind shear or what happens with icing or when both engines
fail.

Dennis, it is quite obvious from that statement that you have no history
in the aerospace industry.

An aircraft would have to suffer very extreme damage to have its wings
nearly torn off. Even then, there is enough integrity in the structure
for the aircraft to land, providing it can see the ground.

When an aircraft is made, there is a test bed, or three that does the
following.

1 The aircraft air frame is subjected to very intensive flight testing.
Most of this is done on the ground, in a rig that stresses it to find
out which bits are going to break first. This is done at a far greater
flight time of any aircraft that is in service. When something breaks,
instructions are sent out to all owners of that type of aircraft, so
they can examine it, to see if it is suffering the same problem. Usually
as a PWI (preliminary warning instruction) This then gets included in
the manufacturer recommended service schedule if feed back proves to be
a problem. Owners of that type of aircraft would be stupid to ignore
this PWI.

2 As a result of mechanical changes to the flying surfaces, a flying
test bed is used to provide info on how any changes could effect the
aircraft's flying capabilities.

3 Any controls and electronics on the aircraft and changes to them, by
the manufacturer, are logged so any owner, or operator is aware of any
problems.

Dave

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I very rarely concentrate on my driving, its almost exclusively
handled in the subconscious, the same with e.g. skiing or other
occupations where automatic responses are better and faster than
conscious thought, even when driving at speeds over 100mph where

So you admit to having so many incidents that it has become a
learnt response.

No, you stupid ****

I used to, for example (when safe to do so), take a roundabout
sideways in a controlled skid when I was in my late teens, or lock
the wheels on ice to learn how to recover in a controlled manner -
just like a pilot learns to recover from a stall

In days gone by, I did the same and got my then finance to do the same
so she could experience the get out procedure.

A pilot learns that in a simulator where possible, that's what
simulators are for, learning how to crash not how to fly.

No, they definitely are not.

Having spent over 30 years in the fast jet industry, they are used to
train the pilots in the predicted behaviour of a development aircraft
and the software is up-dated after every development flight, to take
account of what the test pilot found out during his last flight.
Development flight test is a huge department covering aspects of
monitoring development flights. If you want details, I can post them

One pilot is assigned as chief test pilot for every project until other
test pilots can fly it, having learned on the simulator what can go
wrong.

No - that's because they are cheaper than the real thing. There is no
substitute for real experience, however many blow up dolls you might
have dennis

This begs the question of why there are so few car driving simulators.
I think we could do with a lot more.

A Spectrum would be more than powerful enough for Dennis



Because I pushed the limits, trained myself and learned to read the
road, these have all become second nature. I know I'm not alone,
people who push things a bit learn where the limits are and how to
react as second nature to events

You couldn't be more right here.

When I taught our daughter to drive, I would give her a running
commentary about what was going through my mind while I was driving.

Yeah, I did that with the kids, pointing out potential hazards, how to
read the road etc

I learned an awful lot from just watching my father drive, especially
the slick, flowing way he drove without excitement or panic.

Making your movements flow and letting the subconscious take control is
important in lots of spheres of activity I've now decided.


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geoff

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Talking of overtaking lanes, by inference means dual carriageways or
motorway driving - not somewhere where pedestrians should be wandering

Yet more evidence that you are stupid I see.

Err what evidence was that, cosmo ?

The fact that you think pedestrians shouldn't be where there are
overtaking lanes.
You must need your eyes testing if you can't see pedestrians where
there are overtaking lanes.

Dennis, your pathetic rants don't even merit a reply

imbecile


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geoff

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dennis@home wrote:

Same for one engine failing on takeoff..drop the prop back to
feather and pull the throttle, and make the testee fly it up to safe
altitude after a 'touch and go'
Aeroplanes not toys.
The simulators cost more than some £25k Cessna so they do simple
stuff in them.
It won't teach you anything about what happens when the wings are
nearly torn off by wind shear or what happens with icing or when both
engines fail.

Dennis, it is quite obvious from that statement that you have no
history in the aerospace industry.

Could you imagine dennis trying to pilot a plane

If he didn't stall it by going too slowly, with his innate navigational
skills, he's prolly end up 100 miles from his destination


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geoff

geoff wrote:
When I taught our daughter to drive, I would give her a running
commentary about what was going through my mind while I was driving.

Yeah, I did that with the kids, pointing out potential hazards, how to
read the road etc

I learned an awful lot from just watching my father drive, especially
the slick, flowing way he drove without excitement or panic.

Making your movements flow and letting the subconscious take control is
important in lots of spheres of activity I've now decided.

There's a very useful term for that: "unaware intelligence". It
highlights the fact that some of our subconscious activity is actually
complex, high-level thinking - far above the level of instincts and
reactions (but with a good connection down to that lower level too). We
only discover how complex it is when we bring it all to the surface, eg
in a driving commentary.

Part of our unaware intelligence is that we can process information that
we aren't even aware of having taken in, and this probably accounts for
a lot of our "intuition" and "hunches". The Institute of Advanced
Motorists tell of a classic example:

"... I'm slowing for this blind bend. Oops, braking hard - there'll be a
horse!"

"How did you know?"

"Just before the bend, that pile of sh*t was still steaming."


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Speed limits and then cameras are primarily there to manage trap
those who can't make decisions on their own (and in that process also
trap those spending more time actually driving attentively and not
staring at their speedo or circles on sticks). I'm not saying most of
us can't do both of course but speed and safe driving can be two
different things.

I would say that if you can't control your vehicles speed correctly
then you are not driving safely.
The excuse used by poor drivers that they spend all their time
looking for hazards and can't see the speed limit signs or the speedo
is just plain cr@p.
If you can't keep an eye on your speed and know what the signs say
then you are already driving too fast for your abilities.

dennis, you will no doubt expect me to disagree from our previous
conversations.
Please do read the section of the link entitled "Modern erosion", then
perhaps you will see my point.

It's an interesting site by the way if you have not come across it.

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/roadsafety.html



If the graph was adjusted to account for the number of cars per mile of
motorway it would be a different story.

Adam

Ian White wrote:
geoff wrote:
When I taught our daughter to drive, I would give her a running
commentary about what was going through my mind while I was driving.

Yeah, I did that with the kids, pointing out potential hazards, how to
read the road etc

I learned an awful lot from just watching my father drive, especially
the slick, flowing way he drove without excitement or panic.

Making your movements flow and letting the subconscious take control
is important in lots of spheres of activity I've now decided.

There's a very useful term for that: "unaware intelligence". It
highlights the fact that some of our subconscious activity is actually
complex, high-level thinking - far above the level of instincts and
reactions (but with a good connection down to that lower level too). We
only discover how complex it is when we bring it all to the surface, eg
in a driving commentary.

Part of our unaware intelligence is that we can process information that
we aren't even aware of having taken in, and this probably accounts for
a lot of our "intuition" and "hunches". The Institute of Advanced
Motorists tell of a classic example:

"... I'm slowing for this blind bend. Oops, braking hard - there'll be a
horse!"

"How did you know?"

"Just before the bend, that pile of sh*t was still steaming."


Indeed. Birds flying up indicates human or predator activity,
reflections in windows helps see round blind corners..


Wasn't it Stirling Moss who said 'as I came round the corner, instead of
a sea of white faces looking at ME, it was a sea of dark heads pointing
up the track..I slowed down instinctively and managed to avoid the crash
that had already happened'.

WE are seriously good at pattern recognition. When the pattern 'doesn't
fit' ..slow down and wake up. Something is going down..