Went to the rubbish dump (oops, sorry, recycling centre) today with 4 bags
of broken tiles from the kitchen i had just dug up, i only have a small car,
and am planning to get an even smaller one soon (a smart car) so in
anticipation for the new smaller car i bought a small trailer,

so obviousely i dont want dusty bags of broken tiles in the boot of my car,
i put them in the trailer,
at the tip i had just emptied one of the bags into the hardcore skip when 3
staff came running over telling me to stop imediately,

i thought i had emptied the tiles into the wrong skip, but there were
already tiles in there, smashed bogs, even soil despite the sign saying no
soil.

No, my crime, i had brought 4 bags of rubble in a trailer!!!

they claim there's a 'law' that says i'm only allowed to take 3 bags of
rubble a day to the tip.. fairysnuff i thought, stops the commercial
tippers, but then they said they had to be in the boot of my car, no rubble
allowed to be deposited at the tip from a trailer!!!!!

WTF is all that about, they said i got away with it this time, but next time
the camera's will be up and i'll get a fine!

FFs this is getting daft, next year i'm getting rid of my 14 year old nissan
micra, and replacing it with a 3 or 4 year old diesel smart car, the micra
burns through a gallon of petrol in about 40 miles, the smart car goes
through a gallon of diesel in about 85-90 miles, it also chucks out so much
less CO2 than the micra that the road tax on the smart is zero,

But there will be no room in the back for rubbish i want to take to the tip,
never mind that i dont want it in the back of any car i own, that's why i
have a trailer, that can get ****ted up and it dosent matter.

So when i get the smart car, how do a get rid of any rubble, do i have to
join the thousands of others who dump it in layby's?
unhitch the trailer at the side of the road and go into the tip with one bag
at a time in the boot of the smart?

I had a similar 'telling off' last time i went to the tip, i'm replacing the
kitchen in the bungalow, so last time i took down the manky old kitchen
units, there was one row of 3 wall units, and 2 floor units and a bit of
worktop, (still got the sink unit to take out)
i was told i shouldent be taking kitchen units to their tip, it's classed as
home improvments and i'm to hire a skip for that kind of work!!!

And that's supposed to be greener, a bloody great 30 ton clapped out skip
truck to deliver a 100 quid skip and block up my drive so i can chuck a few
kitchen cabinets in it,
be easier for me to burn the damn things in the garden.

Just who the hell is meddeling with things that have worked so well for
years and screwing them up?
a few years ago the tip was a place to take anything you couldent put out
for normal rubbish commections, we even used to nip into the tip with normal
rubbish bags on the way to the shops to save having so many for the binmen,
now we get told there's a limit on the number of times we can go to the tip
in a week or they suspect we are traders with commercial waste,

They call it recycling, but ask to 'recycle' something you see dumped there
and your told no way, it has to be destroyed, someone dumped an electric
golf trolley the other week, just what i needed to make a powered mover for
my trailer, but the miserable sods said it had to be recycled by them by
destroying it, my way of recycling it would be a lot better, but they werent
having any of it.

No wonder there are so many fly tippers about.

We have extremely fussy binmen who turn their noses up at a
significant proportion of what is left out on binday (this week
wouldn't take a knackered plastic mop which had been bent to a third
of its original length, either as recycling or for landfill). Luckily
we live on a turning off a major shopping street. On that street it
seems that the need to keep it clear overrides all other
considerations and there the binmen take away whatever is left out. So
whatever they reject on our front path gets carried round the corner
to the main road to be picked up later in the day by the same binmen.
It's probably technically fly-tipping, but it seems to keep everyone
happy.

Anita Palley wrote:
We have extremely fussy binmen who turn their noses up at a
significant proportion of what is left out on binday (this week
wouldn't take a knackered plastic mop which had been bent to a third
of its original length, either as recycling or for landfill). Luckily
we live on a turning off a major shopping street. On that street it
seems that the need to keep it clear overrides all other
considerations and there the binmen take away whatever is left out. So
whatever they reject on our front path gets carried round the corner
to the main road to be picked up later in the day by the same binmen.
It's probably technically fly-tipping, but it seems to keep everyone
happy.

Dont even thik of using even a land rover defender to dump stuff at the
tip either.

'Commercial vehicle mate'

I just hope a wave of common sense overtakes the country, and sweeps
away the petty bureaucracy, windmills, and footling regulations, into
the dustbin of history, where they can be recycled into toilet paper.

In message , gazz writes

No, my crime, i had brought 4 bags of rubble in a trailer!!!

they claim there's a 'law' that says i'm only allowed to take 3 bags of
rubble a day to the tip.. fairysnuff i thought, stops the commercial
tippers, but then they said they had to be in the boot of my car, no
rubble allowed to be deposited at the tip from a trailer!!!!!

WTF is all that about, they said i got away with it this time, but next
time the camera's will be up and i'll get a fine!


Don't live in Bedford by any chance? They are getting a reputation for
being Wan*ers like this.
--
Bill

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:54:31 +0100, "gazz" wrote:

snip

Just who the hell is meddeling with things that have worked so well for
years and screwing them up?
a few years ago the tip was a place to take anything you couldent put out
for normal rubbish commections, we even used to nip into the tip with normal
rubbish bags on the way to the shops to save having so many for the binmen,
now we get told there's a limit on the number of times we can go to the tip
in a week or they suspect we are traders with commercial waste,

They call it recycling, but ask to 'recycle' something you see dumped there
and your told no way, it has to be destroyed, someone dumped an electric
golf trolley the other week, just what i needed to make a powered mover for
my trailer, but the miserable sods said it had to be recycled by them by
destroying it, my way of recycling it would be a lot better, but they werent
having any of it.

No wonder there are so many fly tippers about.

Copy your post to your local council.
Many tips these days are run by subcontractors, and to some extent
they set their own policy - although there may also be some regional
variations at council level.
I believe 'refuse services' come under the auspices of the council
tax, so if the system's not working for you then you surely have a
right to complain.

It's well worth emphasizing the advantages of recycling goods by
selling them the general public ( something of a business opportunity
in waiting for the canny entrepreneur, by the looks of it ).

You're right about the fly-tippers, although in the last year or so
I've noticed a distinct shift from household appliances to general
domestic and light building rubbish...probably because anything metal
gets snapped up by roaming totters.

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{who is at}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

"Bill" wrote in message
...
In message , gazz writes

No, my crime, i had brought 4 bags of rubble in a trailer!!!

they claim there's a 'law' that says i'm only allowed to take 3 bags of
rubble a day to the tip.. fairysnuff i thought, stops the commercial
tippers, but then they said they had to be in the boot of my car, no
rubble allowed to be deposited at the tip from a trailer!!!!!

WTF is all that about, they said i got away with it this time, but next
time the camera's will be up and i'll get a fine!


Don't live in Bedford by any chance? They are getting a reputation for
being Wan*ers like this.


Naah, Nottingham, well the outskirts, it's the tip near ikea,

they are spending thousands on it at the monent, putting barriers, speed
humps, cameras and all that crap in, it'll have more security than a bank,
but then again that's how the councils make money nowadays it seems, fining
people for putting the wrong stuff in the bins.

I darent read the book 'stasi land' anymore, it's just so similar to how
england is becoming, the bright side is look how that ended up, there's no
more GDR is there, wonder what england will be renamed after the revolution.

In message , gazz writes
Went to the rubbish dump (oops, sorry, recycling centre) today with 4
bags of broken tiles from the kitchen i had just dug up, i only have a
small car, and am planning to get an even smaller one soon (a smart
car) so in anticipation for the new smaller car i bought a small trailer,

so obviousely i dont want dusty bags of broken tiles in the boot of my
car, i put them in the trailer,
at the tip i had just emptied one of the bags into the hardcore skip
when 3 staff came running over telling me to stop imediately,

[snip]

No wonder there are so many fly tippers about.

I have given up entirely at the local council 'recycling centre'. My
"crime" is choosing to take it an old clapped out van I bought so as to
not put the crap in my car... Oh, and I just happen to be doing a load
of work on my own house.

If you ever get driven away from the tip for good you might have the
misfortune to end up at commercial landfill where tipping soil into a
hole in the ground incurs a landfill tax of approx 3 times what the
landfill operator gets. I can only assume that tipping soil into a hole
in the ground is so environmentally destructive that they've had to
introduce this tax.

There is a waste transfer station not too far from me which actually
tries to sort and recycle everything you tip. Unfortunately due to the
vagaries of the landfill tax etc, it costs me more to take it there than
it does to chuck it in a hole in the ground.

Personally, I think the whole thing is b***ocks.
--
Someone

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:54:31 +0100, "gazz" wrote:

So when i get the smart car, how do a get rid of any rubble, do i have to
join the thousands of others who dump it in layby's?

Probably, that's the way the morons are driving us.

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:28:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Anita Palley wrote:
We have extremely fussy binmen who turn their noses up at a
significant proportion of what is left out on binday (this week
wouldn't take a knackered plastic mop which had been bent to a third
of its original length, either as recycling or for landfill). Luckily
we live on a turning off a major shopping street. On that street it
seems that the need to keep it clear overrides all other
considerations and there the binmen take away whatever is left out. So
whatever they reject on our front path gets carried round the corner
to the main road to be picked up later in the day by the same binmen.
It's probably technically fly-tipping, but it seems to keep everyone
happy.

Dont even thik of using even a land rover defender to dump stuff at the
tip either.

'Commercial vehicle mate'

I probably dump my rubbish at the same tip as you (BSE) and I drive a
white van. Now how much more of a commercial vehicle can you get than
that? But I'm a girlie and so they dont question me. Maybe you should
get your wife to do the tip run

On second thoughts I do have a strategy - They watch on cctv as you
arrive so I go straight to the timber skip. Presumably recycled timber
makes money because at that point they lose interest in watching. I
then move on to any other skip of my choice

Anna


I just hope a wave of common sense overtakes the country, and sweeps
away the petty bureaucracy, windmills, and footling regulations, into
the dustbin of history, where they can be recycled into toilet paper.


--
Anna Kettle
Lime plaster repair and conservation
Freehand modelling in lime: overmantels, pargeting etc
Tel: ***(+44) *01359 230642
Mob: *(+44) *07976 649862
Please look at my website for examples of my work at:
www.kettlenet.co.uk *

The Natural Philosopher gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Dont even thik of using even a land rover defender to dump stuff at the
tip either.

'Commercial vehicle mate'

waves I've had that too.

....in a friggin' 2cv van...

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
The Natural Philosopher gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

Dont even thik of using even a land rover defender to dump stuff at the
tip either.

'Commercial vehicle mate'

waves I've had that too.

...in a friggin' 2cv van...

Ditto. Mine's a 206 van.

The "advice" I was given was "after 12:30 on a Saturday, or dump on a Sunday
mate".
I was there on a Saturday morning and had to go to the weighbridge and
explain it was domestic waste. Still, it turned out to be far quicker than
queuing with the others at the general refuse site. Annoying this was
though, that I had a load of green waste that I wanted to stick with the
rest of the green stuff, but after going through the weighbridge and onto
the commercial area, it all went onto a big pile of stuff destined for
landfill!

"gazz" wrote in message ...
No, my crime, i had brought 4 bags of rubble in a trailer!!!

they claim there's a 'law' that says i'm only allowed to take 3 bags of
rubble a day to the tip.. fairysnuff i thought, stops the commercial
tippers, but then they said they had to be in the boot of my car, no
rubble allowed to be deposited at the tip from a trailer!!!!!


I wonder what they'd say if I turned up on my bicycle with 3 bags of rubble
in my bike trailer...

On 12 Sep, 07:59, "Toby Sleigh" wrote:
"gazz" wrote in ...
No, my crime, i had brought 4 bags of rubble in a trailer!!!

they claim there's a 'law' that says i'm only allowed to take 3 bags of
rubble a day to the tip.. fairysnuff i thought, stops the commercial
tippers, but then they said they had to be in the boot of my car, no
rubble allowed to be deposited at the tip from a trailer!!!!!

I wonder what they'd say if I turned up on my bicycle with 3 bags of rubble
in my bike trailer...

Well can I suggest you all come and live in West Lothian where there
is absolutely none of the troubles you talk about.

I've gone with a trailer and a van and been given nothing but helpful
assistance. I don't know what their attitude is to commercial boys
with vans though, but I suspect that within reason they are accepted
on the basis that it is cheaper to deal with there off loads there
than collect the fly tipping.

Rob

"gazz" wrote in message ...
Went to the rubbish dump (oops, sorry, recycling centre) today with 4 bags
of broken tiles from the kitchen i had just dug up, i only have a small
car, and am planning to get an even smaller one soon (a smart car) so in
anticipation for the new smaller car i bought a small trailer,

so obviousely i dont want dusty bags of broken tiles in the boot of my
car, i put them in the trailer,
at the tip i had just emptied one of the bags into the hardcore skip when
3 staff came running over telling me to stop imediately,

i thought i had emptied the tiles into the wrong skip, but there were
already tiles in there, smashed bogs, even soil despite the sign saying no
soil.

No, my crime, i had brought 4 bags of rubble in a trailer!!!

they claim there's a 'law' that says i'm only allowed to take 3 bags of
rubble a day to the tip.. fairysnuff i thought, stops the commercial
tippers, but then they said they had to be in the boot of my car, no
rubble allowed to be deposited at the tip from a trailer!!!!!

WTF is all that about, they said i got away with it this time, but next
time the camera's will be up and i'll get a fine!

Comply with the letter of the law then.. take it from the trailer.. place it
in the boot.. then chuck it.


Its all about stopping trades men from using the dumps for trade waste.
If you write to the council they will probably give you permission to use
the trailer assuming you aren't a trader.


FFs this is getting daft, next year i'm getting rid of my 14 year old
nissan micra, and replacing it with a 3 or 4 year old diesel smart car,
the micra burns through a gallon of petrol in about 40 miles, the smart
car goes through a gallon of diesel in about 85-90 miles, it also chucks
out so much less CO2 than the micra that the road tax on the smart is
zero,

That's a joke.. I have been driving a smart and I get nowhere near 80 mpg.
The damn things a motorbike with a body and you know what happens on those
as soon as you try and go fast.. the fuel consumption drops like a stone.

PS I do get 50 mpg out of my Astra so its not that I drive with a lead
foot.

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:54:31 +0100 someone who may be "gazz"
wrote this:-

they claim there's a 'law' that says i'm only allowed to take 3 bags of
rubble a day to the tip.. fairysnuff i thought, stops the commercial
tippers, but then they said they had to be in the boot of my car, no rubble
allowed to be deposited at the tip from a trailer!!!!!

What does your councillor have to say about all this? I take it that
you have contacted them to see if they can do something about it.

Just who the hell is meddeling with things that have worked so well for
years and screwing them up?

Things only "worked so well" for those people who didn't live near
large holes in the ground. Even for those people it didn't work well
as it encouraged "disposable" products and over-packaging. The film
at http://www.foe-scotland.org.uk/resources/minisites/landfill
highlights some problems.

They call it recycling, but ask to 'recycle' something you see dumped there
and your told no way, it has to be destroyed,

Switched on councils have reuse cabins. However, many councils are
not good at waste and only doing the minimum they think they can get
away with.

One of the best examples of a council not being switched on was when
they tried to prosecute someone campaigning to reduce waste for the
"crime" of recovering four chairs from a landfill skip. The story at
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/05/399242.html, an update at
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/06/400395.html and a sort of
conclusion at http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/06/402096.html.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

"Stephen Howard" wrote in message
...

It's well worth emphasizing the advantages of recycling goods by
selling them the general public ( something of a business opportunity
in waiting for the canny entrepreneur, by the looks of it ).

Its been done and gone bankrupt on many occasions.
People don't want to pay for secondhand stuff.
How much secondhand stuff do you have?

"robgraham" wrote in message
...
On 12 Sep, 07:59, "Toby Sleigh" wrote:
"gazz" wrote in
...
No, my crime, i had brought 4 bags of rubble in a trailer!!!

they claim there's a 'law' that says i'm only allowed to take 3 bags of
rubble a day to the tip.. fairysnuff i thought, stops the commercial
tippers, but then they said they had to be in the boot of my car, no
rubble allowed to be deposited at the tip from a trailer!!!!!

I wonder what they'd say if I turned up on my bicycle with 3 bags of
rubble
in my bike trailer...

Well can I suggest you all come and live in West Lothian where there
is absolutely none of the troubles you talk about.

I've gone with a trailer and a van and been given nothing but helpful
assistance. I don't know what their attitude is to commercial boys
with vans though, but I suspect that within reason they are accepted
on the basis that it is cheaper to deal with there off loads there
than collect the fly tipping.


They have kind of reverted to that round my way as well (Oxfordshire). There
was a period where you were limited to "3 large things" and trailers were
frowned on but they seem to have given up on that as it was unworkable and
stuff just got dumped anywhere or people just made extra journeys. More keen
now that stuff goes in the right skip which is fair enough. They have even
extended the opening hours (a lot of people go on the way to work) and
rebuilt the whole recycling centre. Plenty of vans there as well.

Their official policy on DIY waste is still:

"DIY waste from householders is accepted at all eight Waste Recycling
Centres. The first three items are free and subsequent items are charged at
£1 each up to a maximum of £10 (i.e. 13 items in total). An item counts as a
normal bin bag of waste, one door, one sink, one bath etc."

Which isn't too bad but I have NEVER seen anyone charged!


The council's problem is that they get a financial hit from the government
if they dump more landfill so they want commercials to pay and householders
to recycle.


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

gazz wrote:

"Bill" wrote in message
...
In message , gazz writes

No, my crime, i had brought 4 bags of rubble in a trailer!!!

snip

Don't live in Bedford by any chance? They are getting a reputation for
being Wan*ers like this.


Naah, Nottingham, well the outskirts, it's the tip near ikea,


If you're OK with crossing the border - I know many denizens of
Notingham aren't - try Ilkeston or Loscoe. Both take trailers up to,
iirc 8ft long, though neither have so far turned me away with my Ifor
Williams 10ft. They have a 25kg limit for rubble, but don't actually
weight it.
Ilkeston is hard work for general rubbish - steep ramps to walk up.
They're also fairly hot on their asbestos cement limit, and won't let
you return even a couple of weeks later with more.

The real problem will be getting a towbar on a Smart. I believe they're
new enough that towbars have to be of an approved type, and to be
approved, they have to be fastened to mountings provided by the car
maker. And Smart don't provide them, as Ford don't on the Ka.

--
Kevin Poole
****Use current date to reply (e.g. )****

"somebody" wrote in message
...


If you ever get driven away from the tip for good you might have the
misfortune to end up at commercial landfill where tipping soil into a hole
in the ground incurs a landfill tax of approx 3 times what the landfill
operator gets. I can only assume that tipping soil into a hole in the
ground is so environmentally destructive that they've had to introduce
this tax.

Most "soil" going into landfill is contaminated.
If yours is good soil, and you can prove it, you can sell the stuff.
Otherwise it will be assumed to be contaminated and you will pay.

You pay for it if you dump it at the household site too, through the CT.
Which is why they have their silly rules to stop traders dumping for free.

They also know that traders are trying to get around it by leaving the cr@p
for the householder to get rid of, so they treat a lot of DIY waste as
traders waste and may ask for proof if they don't like the look of you.

"David Hansen" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:54:31 +0100 someone who may be "gazz"
wrote this:-

they claim there's a 'law' that says i'm only allowed to take 3 bags of
rubble a day to the tip.. fairysnuff i thought, stops the commercial
tippers, but then they said they had to be in the boot of my car, no
rubble
allowed to be deposited at the tip from a trailer!!!!!

What does your councillor have to say about all this? I take it that
you have contacted them to see if they can do something about it.

Just who the hell is meddeling with things that have worked so well for
years and screwing them up?

Things only "worked so well" for those people who didn't live near
large holes in the ground. Even for those people it didn't work well
as it encouraged "disposable" products and over-packaging. The film
at http://www.foe-scotland.org.uk/resources/minisites/landfill
highlights some problems.

They call it recycling, but ask to 'recycle' something you see dumped
there
and your told no way, it has to be destroyed,

Switched on councils have reuse cabins. However, many councils are
not good at waste and only doing the minimum they think they can get
away with.

One of the best examples of a council not being switched on was when
they tried to prosecute someone campaigning to reduce waste for the
"crime" of recovering four chairs from a landfill skip. The story at
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/05/399242.html, an update at
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/06/400395.html and a sort of
conclusion at http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/06/402096.html.

The mans a bit of an idiot though..

he thinks it should be "not in the publics interest"..
if they did that then that is saying "we think you are guilty and you will
have a police record showing such".

Where they have made the decision that he may well have broken the law but
its stupid and a waste of their time so they will dump the case.

He can always appeal if he wants a record as he is actually guilty.

"Kevin Poole" wrote in message
...


gazz wrote:

"Bill" wrote in message
...
In message , gazz writes

No, my crime, i had brought 4 bags of rubble in a trailer!!!

snip

Don't live in Bedford by any chance? They are getting a reputation for
being Wan*ers like this.


Naah, Nottingham, well the outskirts, it's the tip near ikea,


If you're OK with crossing the border - I know many denizens of Notingham
aren't - try Ilkeston or Loscoe. Both take trailers up to, iirc 8ft long,
though neither have so far turned me away with my Ifor Williams 10ft.
They have a 25kg limit for rubble, but don't actually weight it.
Ilkeston is hard work for general rubbish - steep ramps to walk up.
They're also fairly hot on their asbestos cement limit, and won't let you
return even a couple of weeks later with more.

The real problem will be getting a towbar on a Smart. I believe they're
new enough that towbars have to be of an approved type, and to be
approved, they have to be fastened to mountings provided by the car
maker. And Smart don't provide them, as Ford don't on the Ka.

From www.smartsrus.co.uk

"A Smart car is capable of towing up to 500kgs quite happily and TUV type
approval has been obtained for the fortwo towbar. Available for all fortwos
including the Brabus "




--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

"robgraham" wrote in message
...
On 12 Sep, 07:59, "Toby Sleigh" wrote:
"gazz" wrote in
...
No, my crime, i had brought 4 bags of rubble in a trailer!!!

they claim there's a 'law' that says i'm only allowed to take 3 bags of
rubble a day to the tip.. fairysnuff i thought, stops the commercial
tippers, but then they said they had to be in the boot of my car, no
rubble allowed to be deposited at the tip from a trailer!!!!!

I wonder what they'd say if I turned up on my bicycle with 3 bags of
rubble
in my bike trailer...

Well can I suggest you all come and live in West Lothian where there
is absolutely none of the troubles you talk about.

I've gone with a trailer and a van and been given nothing but helpful
assistance. I don't know what their attitude is to commercial boys
with vans though, but I suspect that within reason they are accepted
on the basis that it is cheaper to deal with there off loads there
than collect the fly tipping.

Rob

I use the dump (recycling centre!) by Stirling all householders are given a
card, and it appears as long as you have that they accept nearly anything, a
7.5 tonner maybe pushing your luck a tad!!
My mate who goes to one in an adjoining county had great problems with one
particular jobsworth employee, but when he went the problems stopped.

Recycling is a good idea, but it has to be made easy otherwise human nature
will allways take the easy (cheap) route which means layby etc..

Des

Common Sense: (circ on internet)

'Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has
been with us for many years.
No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago
lost in bureaucratic red tape.
He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:
Knowing when to come in out of the rain; why the early bird gets the worm;
Life isn't always fair; and maybe it was my fault.
Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more
than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in
charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but
overbearing regulations were set in place.
Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a
classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and
a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his
condition.


Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job
that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.
It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent
to administer sun lotion or an Aspirin to a student; but could not inform
parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and
criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar
in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to
realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her
lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his
wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his two sons, Reason and
Justice.

He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers; I Know My Rights, I Want It Now,
Someone Else Is To Blame, and I'm A Victim.



Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
If you still remember him, pass this on.
If not, join the majority and do nothing.'

This is a nice little council muddle

http://i37.tinypic.com/2468f90.jpg

Sign on the left says this site is a legitimate garden waste dump, but
only at certain times, on certain days, at certain times of the year,
and only when the the council dust cart is present. Sign on the right
suggests that getting it wrong could be costly.
You can see what the public makes of it

On Sep 12, 8:43*am, "dennis@home"
wrote:
"Stephen Howard" wrote in message

...

It's well worth emphasizing the advantages of recycling goods by
selling them the general public *( something of a business opportunity
in waiting for the canny entrepreneur, by the looks of it ).

Its been done and gone bankrupt on many occasions.

It seems to work wuite well at our local tip. Even bought a few dining
chairs there when we needed extra for a large family gathering.

MBQ

robgraham wrote:
On 12 Sep, 07:59, "Toby Sleigh" wrote:
"gazz" wrote in ...
No, my crime, i had brought 4 bags of rubble in a trailer!!!

they claim there's a 'law' that says i'm only allowed to take 3 bags of
rubble a day to the tip.. fairysnuff i thought, stops the commercial
tippers, but then they said they had to be in the boot of my car, no
rubble allowed to be deposited at the tip from a trailer!!!!!

I wonder what they'd say if I turned up on my bicycle with 3 bags of rubble
in my bike trailer...

Well can I suggest you all come and live in West Lothian where there
is absolutely none of the troubles you talk about.

I've gone with a trailer and a van and been given nothing but helpful
assistance. I don't know what their attitude is to commercial boys
with vans though, but I suspect that within reason they are accepted
on the basis that it is cheaper to deal with there off loads there
than collect the fly tipping.

I have to say that is my experience in Suffolk too, sometimes with a
biggish trailer too, last time was with chunks of old portakabin.

--
Chris Green

Bob Mannix wrote:
"Kevin Poole" wrote in message
...
snip
The real problem will be getting a towbar on a Smart.
snip

From www.smartsrus.co.uk

"A Smart car is capable of towing up to 500kgs quite happily and TUV type
approval has been obtained for the fortwo towbar. Available for all fortwos
including the Brabus "


Right, thanks. I stand corrected. I look after one of these dismal
objects for a relative, and I obviously remembered wrongly or read
out-of-date information. I can't see his 600cc object pulling the skin
off a rice pudding, and the thing would probably stop completely to
change gear going up a slight slope.

--
Kevin Poole
****Use current date to reply (e.g. )****

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:43:56 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:



"Stephen Howard" wrote in message
.. .

It's well worth emphasizing the advantages of recycling goods by
selling them the general public ( something of a business opportunity
in waiting for the canny entrepreneur, by the looks of it ).

Its been done and gone bankrupt on many occasions.
People don't want to pay for secondhand stuff.
How much secondhand stuff do you have?

There's a nearby local authority who do just that - and quite
successfully, ISTR...

http://www.southtyneside.info/enviro.../warehouse.asp


--
Frank Erskine

"Kevin Poole" wrote in message
...


Bob Mannix wrote:
"Kevin Poole" wrote in message
...
snip
The real problem will be getting a towbar on a Smart.
snip

From www.smartsrus.co.uk

"A Smart car is capable of towing up to 500kgs quite happily and TUV type
approval has been obtained for the fortwo towbar. Available for all
fortwos including the Brabus "


Right, thanks. I stand corrected. I look after one of these dismal objects
for a relative, and I obviously remembered wrongly or read out-of-date
information. I can't see his 600cc object pulling the skin off a rice
pudding, and the thing would probably stop completely to change gear going
up a slight slope.

--

Smart car OK (but not the wonderful Prius (apparently) - the drive system is
tightly defined and doesn't include towing loads).

I would imagine the OP will have a small trailer and small loads and no big
hills, so will probably be OK.

The towbar complete kit for the smart car is £320 which aint cheap though!


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)
****Use current date to reply (e.g. )****

"stuart noble" wrote in message
...
This is a nice little council muddle

http://i37.tinypic.com/2468f90.jpg

Sign on the left says this site is a legitimate garden waste dump, but
only at certain times, on certain days, at certain times of the year, and
only when the the council dust cart is present. Sign on the right suggests
that getting it wrong could be costly.
You can see what the public makes of it

I can see what Photoshop makes of it.
You can't be imprisoned for five years for dumping garden waste, not even in
the commons (maybe the palace?).

Anna Kettle wrote:

I probably dump my rubbish at the same tip as you (BSE) and I drive a
white van. Now how much more of a commercial vehicle can you get than
that? But I'm a girlie and so they dont question me. Maybe you should
get your wife to do the tip run


Ding!
I go to our tip and the gestapo are all over me, better half goes and they
are falling over themselves to help her!

Similarly she doesn't need ID when she picks up a parcel from the sorting
office, just the card is suffice.

Oh for a pair of tits.

"Kevin Poole" wrote in message
...
Right, thanks. I stand corrected. I look after one of these dismal objects
for a relative, and I obviously remembered wrongly or read out-of-date
information. I can't see his 600cc object pulling the skin off a rice
pudding, and the thing would probably stop completely to change gear going
up a slight slope.

one of the reasons i'm going for the diesel version, the nottingham smart
centre has a trailer shaped like a stretched smart, 4 wheeler of the type
with a wheel on each corner and a pivoting drawbar,

a petrol smart pulls that fine, but we are talking about the newer ones, the
earliest ones had the 600cc engine, they are now approching 1 litre, and
still turbo charged and all that.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
...

That's a joke.. I have been driving a smart and I get nowhere near 80 mpg.
The damn things a motorbike with a body and you know what happens on those
as soon as you try and go fast.. the fuel consumption drops like a stone.

Are you talking about the diesel smart of the petrol one?? i know the
petrol ones do about 55mpg, but the diesel ones can do upto 90, with people
regulary reporting very near that figure on the smart forums, only downside
if you call it that is the diesel for two's are only available in left hand
drive imported from abroad,

not fussed about going fast of quick in a cage, i have my motorbike if i
want to get anywhere in a hurry, get about 50mpg from it no matter how i
ride it, but it is only a little 650 transalp, can get another 10 mpg out of
it if i cut the damn cat out of the exhaust, it's not the ceramic type, but
the oxidysing type, gasses are forced through very small holes which heats
the gas up a lot, but it knocks 10mpg off the thing, will do that when i get
round to getting some stainless steel wire for my welder.

On 12 Sep, 08:43, "dennis@home" wrote:
Its been done and gone bankrupt on many occasions.
People don't want to pay for secondhand stuff.


Quick, someone tell ebay.....

Matt

dennis@home wrote:


"stuart noble" wrote in message
...
This is a nice little council muddle

http://i37.tinypic.com/2468f90.jpg

Sign on the left says this site is a legitimate garden waste dump, but
only at certain times, on certain days, at certain times of the year,
and only when the the council dust cart is present. Sign on the right
suggests that getting it wrong could be costly.
You can see what the public makes of it

I can see what Photoshop makes of it.

No editing, I can assure you

You can't be imprisoned for five years for dumping garden waste, not
even in the commons (maybe the palace?).

wrote in message
...
On 12 Sep, 08:43, "dennis@home" wrote:
Its been done and gone bankrupt on many occasions.
People don't want to pay for secondhand stuff.


Quick, someone tell ebay.....

Someone has, what ever i search for nowadays i just get shops selling new
stuff at the price you can get them for at a real shop, but then have to pay
postage and deal with the hassle when it turns up dammaged.

"gazz" wrote in message ...

"Kevin Poole" wrote in message
...
Right, thanks. I stand corrected. I look after one of these dismal
objects for a relative, and I obviously remembered wrongly or read
out-of-date information. I can't see his 600cc object pulling the skin
off a rice pudding, and the thing would probably stop completely to
change gear going up a slight slope.

one of the reasons i'm going for the diesel version, the nottingham smart
centre has a trailer shaped like a stretched smart, 4 wheeler of the type
with a wheel on each corner and a pivoting drawbar,

You need to be careful of that then, different laws apply to close coupled
trailers and articulated trailers.
(A close coupled trailer is the common type with the wheels in the middle.)
You may need a HGV license to pull it.


a petrol smart pulls that fine, but we are talking about the newer ones,
the earliest ones had the 600cc engine, they are now approching 1 litre,
and still turbo charged and all that.

"gazz" wrote in message ...

"dennis@home" wrote in message
...

That's a joke.. I have been driving a smart and I get nowhere near 80
mpg.
The damn things a motorbike with a body and you know what happens on
those as soon as you try and go fast.. the fuel consumption drops like a
stone.

Are you talking about the diesel smart of the petrol one?? i know the
petrol ones do about 55mpg, but the diesel ones can do upto 90, with
people regulary reporting very near that figure on the smart forums, only
downside if you call it that is the diesel for two's are only available in
left hand drive imported from abroad,

Must be petrol then, its RHD.
I know it uses more fuel than I expected.


not fussed about going fast of quick in a cage, i have my motorbike if i
want to get anywhere in a hurry, get about 50mpg from it no matter how i
ride it, but it is only a little 650 transalp, can get another 10 mpg out
of it if i cut the damn cat out of the exhaust, it's not the ceramic type,
but the oxidysing type, gasses are forced through very small holes which
heats the gas up a lot, but it knocks 10mpg off the thing, will do that
when i get round to getting some stainless steel wire for my welder.

Its a ceramic one, just don't hit the ground too hard or it will break.
I can't see how they would make a non ceramic CAT cheap enough to fit a bike
unless it just isn't a CAT.
You need surface area, lots of surface area while still being able to
support the very thin layer of catalyst at a high temperature so metal is
out of the question ( maybe tungsten if you could machine the many holes?).

wrote in message
...
On 12 Sep, 08:43, "dennis@home" wrote:
Its been done and gone bankrupt on many occasions.
People don't want to pay for secondhand stuff.


Quick, someone tell ebay.....

Most of the stuff on eBay isn't secondhand incase you haven't noticed.

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:12:33 -0700 (PDT) wrote :
People don't want to pay for secondhand stuff.

Quick, someone tell ebay.....

Our local Freecycle group has four or five times as many 'offered' as
'wanted' and I've ended up dumping perfectly useful stuff that no one
will take for free. Currently on offer, 2 x L-shaped desks and other
office furniture, no takers so far

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk