Hi,

We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front of
the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel columns that
will be supporting it. The beam will be at first floor level (i.e.
approx 2.5m from the ground).

Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.

thanks in advance for your help.

Lee.

wrote:
We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front of
the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel columns that
will be supporting it. The beam will be at first floor level (i.e.
approx 2.5m from the ground).

The 64,000 dollar question is what access there is at the back of the
house - without that info nobody is going to be able to give you a
sensible answer.

David

On 19 Dec, 09:12, Lobster wrote:
wrote:
We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front of
the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel columns that
will be supporting it. The beam will be at first floor level (i.e.
approx 2.5m from the ground).

The 64,000 dollar question is what access there is at the back of the
house - without that info nobody is going to be able to give you a
sensible answer.

David

Good question...

The access is pretty good. From the drive I have a pathway at the
side of the house which is around 2.5/3m wide and then out onto lawn
at the back. There is one hurdle (thinking about it now) that the
back garden slopes down from right to left as you look at the house
with an elevated patio in front (approx 2.5m deep - ie from house to
end of patio). On the right the patio is about 10cm higher than the
lawn rising to around 1.5m on the left with a couple of steps taking
up the rise. The middle of the steel beam will be where the 10cm
height different is.

Hope this is clear????

Thanks

Lee.

wrote
Hi,

We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front of
the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel columns that
will be supporting it. The beam will be at first floor level (i.e.
approx 2.5m from the ground).

Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.

I would have thought that this is something the builder would have come
across before.
If you can find enough "cylindrical" objects of the same diameter, you could
use the old "roll it on a few logs" approach!
Believe it or not, I moved an engine some distance on a dozen or so pool
cues many years ago!
A lot depends on the "smoothness" of the terrain.
I have also installed a skid mounted process module using hired roller
skates - industrial versions are available with capacities of many tonnes.
You may be able to smooth out the pathway by "leapfrogging" plywood sheets.

For installing the beam I see three options:

Position the columns and lift the beam into place.
Assemble the columns and beam on the ground and winch them upright into
place.
Position the columns, then raise the beam by jacking and packing alongside
the final position then slide it across into place.

Outline suggestions only
Plenty of detail to be filled in.
No liability accepted etc etc

Phil

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,
wrote:
Hi,

We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front of
the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel columns that
will be supporting it. The beam will be at first floor level (i.e.
approx 2.5m from the ground).

I'd be a bit worried about employing a builder who hadn't come across this
problem before.

Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.

Lots of man power to carry it to where it's needed. A crane to lift it
into place. If you can't use a crane a couple of block and tackles. If it
is very unwieldy get it spliced.

--
*Why is 'abbreviation' such a long word?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

A friend used a mobile crane hire earlier this year (to move his
post&beam garage intact). The hire company quoted 2 prices, one to do
the lift as you instruct (and you take responsibility), and a second
rate they will take charge of the lift and ensure it's safe
completion.

Getting the crane company to do any over-the-house blind lift (i.e.
the crane operator depends on remote instruction during the
positioning) may be the answer to having the whole problem sorted in
one go.

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Hi,

We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

Firstly a quick calc shows it shouldn't weigh anything like that much. No
more than half a ton even if it's made from 1cm thick metal. Maybe
considerably less. It's simple enough to work out if you have the exact
dimensions.


The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front of
the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel columns that
will be supporting it. The beam will be at first floor level (i.e.
approx 2.5m from the ground).

Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.

thanks in advance for your help.

Lee.

It should be easy enough to roll it round the back on skates or even bits of
scaffold tube and then use a block and tackle (or two) to hoist it.
--
Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines

On 19 Dec, 10:21, "Dave Baker" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Hi,

We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

Firstly a quick calc shows it shouldn't weigh anything like that much. No
more than half a ton even if it's made from 1cm thick metal. Maybe
considerably less. It's simple enough to work out if you have the exact
dimensions.



The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front of
the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel columns that
will be supporting it. The beam will be at first floor level (i.e.
approx 2.5m from the ground).

Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.

thanks in advance for your help.

Lee.

It should be easy enough to roll it round the back on skates or even bits of
scaffold tube and then use a block and tackle (or two) to hoist it.
--
Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines

Thanks all for your quick replies... To answer a few things raised.

1. From an access perspective, getting the beam around the back should
be fine so shouldn't need neighbours garden or over the house type
lifting - thankfully
2. From memory, the spec given by the engineer was around 120kg per M
- would that sound correct?
3. Builder has experience of this before by taking the "rugby team"
approach and then sliding it into place on scaffold poles. Given the
size of the beam and the "rugby team" required - thought there may be
an easier option

A couple of follow-up questions
1. How much would a mini crane be for a day or 2? We have another few
steels to fit so maybe renting one for the day would make these easier
too - especially if it could be used to move the steels around the
back to? I assume once lifted the steel can be rotated to be parallel
to the direction of travel and the crane can move loaded?
2. What are skates? I did a google and got some things which look
like they are parts of a steel beam making machine rather than
something that could roll over grass/ plywood
3. Block and tackle sounds like an idea but assume we will also need
to hire some support to attach the block and tackle to?

Thanks again for all your help

Lee.

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:21:31 -0000 Dave Baker wrote :
We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

Firstly a quick calc shows it shouldn't weigh anything like that much.
No more than half a ton even if it's made from 1cm thick metal

300x300 UCs come in 7 rolling weights from 97 to 283kg/m so 1000kg is
perfectly possible. If it's possible to lift each end in turn by
degrees, then the lift weight is half this.

I hope the designer/engineer has satisfied himself as to the adequacy of
what holds this beam up!

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk

On 19 Dec, 11:03, Tony Bryer wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:21:31 -0000 Dave Baker wrote :

We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

Firstly a quick calc shows it shouldn't weigh anything like that much.
No more than half a ton even if it's made from 1cm thick metal

300x300 UCs come in 7 rolling weights from 97 to 283kg/m so 1000kg is
perfectly possible. If it's possible to lift each end in turn by
degrees, then the lift weight is half this.

I hope the designer/engineer has satisfied himself as to the adequacy of
what holds this beam up!

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk

Me too...... He has specified a couple of steel box section
columns.....

The problem is with the 300mm height as I am keen to hide it in the
space between the floor and ceiling above. With this spec, it will be
150mm below the ceiling level which is not ideal.

wrote:

1. How much would a mini crane be for a day or 2? We have another few
steels to fit so maybe renting one for the day would make these easier
too - especially if it could be used to move the steels around the
back to? I assume once lifted the steel can be rotated to be parallel
to the direction of travel and the crane can move loaded?

These guys seem to do 90% of this sort of work wherever I go:

http://www.ainscough.co.uk/

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writes
Hi,

We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front of
the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel columns that
will be supporting it. The beam will be at first floor level (i.e.
approx 2.5m from the ground).

Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.

thanks in advance for your help.

Lee.

For lateral movement along the ground, I'd use rollers - possibly a
scaffold pole cut into 2 foot lengths or so. If there is any incline up
or down, pull or lower it using a turfer and suitable ground anchor(s).

For the lift, a block and tackle on a frame of scaffolding - any decent
high altitude tubular technician (scaffolder!) would probably be able to
erect such a frame for the given weight.

Bear in mind that if you dropped a beam of that weight even 1cm onto a
finger/toe etc it would probably crush it, safety needs to be forefront
in your mind during this.

If you want to spend a bit of money, HSS have 'lift and shift' centres
with specialist lifting gear, including demountable gantries, beam
rollers, the various strops, ropes, block and tackle you might need etc.

www.hss.co.uk

Look under lifting and handling.

Hth
Someone

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:07:18 -0800 (PST) wrote :
The problem is with the 300mm height as I am keen to hide it in the
space between the floor and ceiling above. With this spec, it will
be 150mm below the ceiling level which is not ideal.

If it has to be a 7m span, which is a lot in a domestic situation,
then you probably don't have many alternatives.

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk

On 19/12/2007 10:57, wrote:

2. From memory, the spec given by the engineer was around 120kg per M
- would that sound correct?

Sounds too high.

You say it's 30cm tall and wide, I assume it's an "I" shape and so is
essentially 3 strips, 30cm width, assume 1cm thick, taking the density
of steel at 7.8g/cm^3

3[sides of the I] x 30cm x 1cm x 100cm x 7.8g/cm^3 = about 70kg/m
or 490kg for the lot (1cm thickness is probably overstated)

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:21:31 -0000 Dave Baker wrote :
We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

Firstly a quick calc shows it shouldn't weigh anything like that much.
No more than half a ton even if it's made from 1cm thick metal

300x300 UCs come in 7 rolling weights from 97 to 283kg/m so 1000kg is
perfectly possible.

Is this thing a complete box section then? I was assuming it was an I beam.
More calcs then. A complete box section at 30x30 cm and 1cm thick comes to
11,600 cc/metre and at an SG of 7.85 approx 91kg/m.

To weigh 283kg/m the material has to be 3.4cm thick. I can't even
contemplate a beam of that section in a domestic environment. You could
build a tower block on something like that surely.
--
Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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On 19/12/2007 10:57, wrote:

2. From memory, the spec given by the engineer was around 120kg per M
- would that sound correct?

Sounds too high.

You say it's 30cm tall and wide, I assume it's an "I" shape and so is
essentially 3 strips, 30cm width, assume 1cm thick, taking the density of
steel at 7.8g/cm^3

3[sides of the I] x 30cm x 1cm x 100cm x 7.8g/cm^3 = about 70kg/m
or 490kg for the lot (1cm thickness is probably overstated)

That was essentially exactly my original calculation barring the slight
adjustment to the height of the central section given the thickness of the
base and top (28cm not 30 cm).
--
Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:33:10 +0000 Andy Burns wrote :
You say it's 30cm tall and wide, I assume it's an "I" shape and so is
essentially 3 strips, 30cm width, assume 1cm thick, taking the density
of steel at 7.8g/cm^3

3[sides of the I] x 30cm x 1cm x 100cm x 7.8g/cm^3 = about 70kg/m
or 490kg for the lot (1cm thickness is probably overstated)

No, the lightest 305x305UC has a 9.9mm web and 15.4mm flanges. The
heaviest 26.8 and 44.1mm! They are primarily intended for use as
columns, though (as is probably the case here) are used as beams when
headroom is a factor.

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk

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2. What are skates?

The things that machinery movers shift lathes and mills on. Like a heavy
duty roller skate with steel wheels. Your beam actually weighs about the
same as my lathe if your figures are correct and a machinery mover would be
an ideal person to ask how best to shift it.

I did a google and got some things which look
like they are parts of a steel beam making machine rather than
something that could roll over grass/ plywood

You can't use skates or scaffold tube on anything other than good flat
concrete or tarmac. If you have to shift anything that heavy over soft or
uneven ground you've got a whole new problem.

3. Block and tackle sounds like an idea but assume we will also need
to hire some support to attach the block and tackle to?

You rig up the scaffold using scaffold tube. Maybe not so easy to support
something that heavy though. I guess nowadays you need a risk analysis and
god knows what other formalities.
--
Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines

wrote:

Hi,

We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front of
the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel columns that
will be supporting it. The beam will be at first floor level (i.e.
approx 2.5m from the ground).

Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.

thanks in advance for your help.

The builder could move it using his telehandler and then lift it into
position.

wrote:
Hi,

We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front of
the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel columns that
will be supporting it. The beam will be at first floor level (i.e.
approx 2.5m from the ground).

Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.

thanks in advance for your help.


Mm. when manhgndling large oak beams to a similar level. we hauled them
with a tractor digger, and hailed em up by hand..

Its not beyond a high loader either.

Or you can use jacks and props in succession to inch the thing up. Do
build some sort of timber of scaffolding type structure to contain if it
falls.

I think I'd probably get the scaffolders in and build two sections
either side, put beams across and then use pulleys to do the finml lift.

Rolling it on scaffold poles to get it into place.

Or just get a crane on a truck and have done with it ;-)


Lee.

Dave Baker wrote:
wrote in message
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2. What are skates?

The things that machinery movers shift lathes and mills on. Like a heavy
duty roller skate with steel wheels. Your beam actually weighs about the
same as my lathe if your figures are correct and a machinery mover would be
an ideal person to ask how best to shift it.

I did a google and got some things which look
like they are parts of a steel beam making machine rather than
something that could roll over grass/ plywood

You can't use skates or scaffold tube on anything other than good flat
concrete or tarmac. If you have to shift anything that heavy over soft or
uneven ground you've got a whole new problem.

Yes: You have to lay scaffold planks down to make a railway. Not rocket
science is it?


3. Block and tackle sounds like an idea but assume we will also need
to hire some support to attach the block and tackle to?

You rig up the scaffold using scaffold tube. Maybe not so easy to support
something that heavy though. I guess nowadays you need a risk analysis and
god knows what other formalities.

Don't tell anyone.

I have just installed a 254 x 254 x 107Kgm x 9600 beam at the back of my
house for the sliding folding doors that are 8700 metres width.

This steel is a ton in a residential property and we managed to move it with
steel pipes and brute force.


"Dave Baker" wrote in message
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"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:21:31 -0000 Dave Baker wrote :
We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

Firstly a quick calc shows it shouldn't weigh anything like that much.
No more than half a ton even if it's made from 1cm thick metal

300x300 UCs come in 7 rolling weights from 97 to 283kg/m so 1000kg is
perfectly possible.

Is this thing a complete box section then? I was assuming it was an I
beam. More calcs then. A complete box section at 30x30 cm and 1cm thick
comes to 11,600 cc/metre and at an SG of 7.85 approx 91kg/m.

To weigh 283kg/m the material has to be 3.4cm thick. I can't even
contemplate a beam of that section in a domestic environment. You could
build a tower block on something like that surely.
--
Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:34:49 -0000, "Ray"
wrote:

I have just installed a 254 x 254 x 107Kgm x 9600 beam at the back of my
house for the sliding folding doors that are 8700 metres width.
~~~~~~~~~~~

Bloody 'ell!

--
Frank Erskine

wrote in message
...
On 19 Dec, 10:21, "Dave Baker" wrote:
wrote in message


...

Hi,

We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

Firstly a quick calc shows it shouldn't weigh anything like that much.
No
more than half a ton even if it's made from 1cm thick metal. Maybe
considerably less. It's simple enough to work out if you have the exact
dimensions.



The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front of
the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel columns that
will be supporting it. The beam will be at first floor level (i.e.
approx 2.5m from the ground).

Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.

thanks in advance for your help.

Lee.

It should be easy enough to roll it round the back on skates or even
bits of
scaffold tube and then use a block and tackle (or two) to hoist it.
--
Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines

Thanks all for your quick replies... To answer a few things raised.

1. From an access perspective, getting the beam around the back should
be fine so shouldn't need neighbours garden or over the house type
lifting - thankfully
2. From memory, the spec given by the engineer was around 120kg per M
- would that sound correct?
3. Builder has experience of this before by taking the "rugby team"
approach and then sliding it into place on scaffold poles. Given the
size of the beam and the "rugby team" required - thought there may be
an easier option

A couple of follow-up questions
1. How much would a mini crane be for a day or 2? We have another few
steels to fit so maybe renting one for the day would make these easier
too - especially if it could be used to move the steels around the
back to? I assume once lifted the steel can be rotated to be parallel
to the direction of travel and the crane can move loaded?
2. What are skates? I did a google and got some things which look
like they are parts of a steel beam making machine rather than
something that could roll over grass/ plywood
3. Block and tackle sounds like an idea but assume we will also need
to hire some support to attach the block and tackle to?

Thanks again for all your help

Lee.

Cherry picker,lot cheaper than a crane hire.
position the beam on the cherry picers cradle then just gear the cradle up
to the position and forward it into positon with the controls of the cradle.

George wrote:

Cherry picker,lot cheaper than a crane hire.
position the beam on the cherry picers cradle then just gear the cradle up
to the position and forward it into positon with the controls of the cradle.

That must be a pretty beefy cherry picker. I wouldn't want to
write the safe system of work.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

"Chris J Dixon" wrote in message
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George wrote:

Cherry picker,lot cheaper than a crane hire.
position the beam on the cherry picers cradle then just gear the cradle
up
to the position and forward it into positon with the controls of the
cradle.

That must be a pretty beefy cherry picker. I wouldn't want to
write the safe system of work.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

Some of them can take the weight of 7300kg,his beam only weighs 1000kg
http://www.capitalaccess.co.uk/equipment.php

On 19 Dec, 15:21, "George" wrote:
"Chris J Dixon" wrote in messagenews:j4dim3pvln2v68pvv6eulkapcpftat8164@4ax .com...





George wrote:

Cherry picker,lot cheaper than a crane hire.
position the beam on the cherry picers cradle then just gear the cradle
up
to the position and forward it into positon with the controls of the
cradle.

That must be a pretty beefy cherry picker. I wouldn't want to
write the safe system of work.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

Some of them can take the weight of 7300kg,his beam only weighs 1000kghttp://www.capitalaccess.co.uk/equipment.php- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

All,

Just to clarify, the beam itself is an "I" beam which is supported
either end by 2 box section columns.

Also interesting to see Ray's post as this is exactly what we are
doing and his steel seems a fair bit smaller. In fact, half the steel
is supporting the upstairs wall and roof (rafters run parallel so less
support I guess) and the other half is supporting the roof above.

This is great dialog

thanks
Lee.

On 19 Dec, 15:51, wrote:
On 19 Dec, 15:21, "George" wrote:





"Chris J Dixon" wrote in messagenews:j4dim3pvln2v68pvv6eulkapcpftat8164@4ax .com...

George wrote:

Cherry picker,lot cheaper than a crane hire.
position the beam on the cherry picers cradle then just gear the cradle
up
to the position and forward it into positon with the controls of the
cradle.

That must be a pretty beefy cherry picker. I wouldn't want to
write the safe system of work.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

Some of them can take the weight of 7300kg,his beam only weighs 1000kghttp://www.capitalaccess.co.uk/equipment.php-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

All,

Just to clarify, the beam itself is an "I" beam which is supported
either end by 2 box section columns.

Also interesting to see Ray's post as this is exactly what we are
doing and his steel seems a fair bit smaller. In fact, half the steel
is supporting the upstairs wall and roof (rafters run parallel so less
support I guess) and the other half is supporting the roof above.

This is great dialog

thanks
Lee.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

George - Just looking at the cherry pickers, how did you get the steel
on to the platform without destroying the surround/ railings etc.?

thanks
Lee.

George wrote:
wrote in message
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On 19 Dec, 10:21, "Dave Baker" wrote:
wrote in message


...
Hi,
We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).
Firstly a quick calc shows it shouldn't weigh anything like that much.
No
more than half a ton even if it's made from 1cm thick metal. Maybe
considerably less. It's simple enough to work out if you have the exact
dimensions.



The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front of
the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel columns that
will be supporting it. The beam will be at first floor level (i.e.
approx 2.5m from the ground).
Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.
thanks in advance for your help.
Lee.
It should be easy enough to roll it round the back on skates or even
bits of
scaffold tube and then use a block and tackle (or two) to hoist it.
--
Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines
Thanks all for your quick replies... To answer a few things raised.

1. From an access perspective, getting the beam around the back should
be fine so shouldn't need neighbours garden or over the house type
lifting - thankfully
2. From memory, the spec given by the engineer was around 120kg per M
- would that sound correct?
3. Builder has experience of this before by taking the "rugby team"
approach and then sliding it into place on scaffold poles. Given the
size of the beam and the "rugby team" required - thought there may be
an easier option

A couple of follow-up questions
1. How much would a mini crane be for a day or 2? We have another few
steels to fit so maybe renting one for the day would make these easier
too - especially if it could be used to move the steels around the
back to? I assume once lifted the steel can be rotated to be parallel
to the direction of travel and the crane can move loaded?
2. What are skates? I did a google and got some things which look
like they are parts of a steel beam making machine rather than
something that could roll over grass/ plywood
3. Block and tackle sounds like an idea but assume we will also need
to hire some support to attach the block and tackle to?

Thanks again for all your help

Lee.

Cherry picker,lot cheaper than a crane hire.
position the beam on the cherry picers cradle then just gear the cradle up
to the position and forward it into positon with the controls of the cradle.


the problem here is what the ground immediately under the beam is like.
In our case ( 14" square 6 meter long oak beam. Not quite as heavy as
the steel here. but still made us pretty thoughtful when it was being
levered into place), we couldn't get one in..


Ultimately we used a sdmall tracor to drag the beams into more or less
the pisitioon,..and lift ecah end on a froint bucket, and shove themn
around that way, then IIRC it was up on some trestles made for thejob,
using lots of blokes and slings, then slings on each end and a bit of
tractor bucket to hoist each end, acrows underneath with some stability
braces on half way up, and then levering sweating and cursing to do the
final placement.

George wrote:

Some of them can take the weight of 7300kg,his beam only weighs 1000kg
http://www.capitalaccess.co.uk/equipment.php

Which ones on that page?

Chris
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wrote:
Hi,

We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front of
the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel columns that
will be supporting it. The beam will be at first floor level (i.e.
approx 2.5m from the ground).

Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.

Apparently the way they got the horizontal stones in place at Stonehenge was
to lever up one end, put a chock under, then lever up the other end, chock
under etc etc. When the horizontal stone was at the right height it was
slid sideways onto the uprights.


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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

Let a crane take the strain you'll be glad you did in the end.
Please don't use a cherry picker for lifting anything other than personnel
and small work equipment, it's illegal and deadly dangerous. You have been
warned!
wrote in message
...
Hi,

We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front of
the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel columns that
will be supporting it. The beam will be at first floor level (i.e.
approx 2.5m from the ground).

Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.

thanks in advance for your help.

Lee.

The Medway Handyman wrote:
wrote:
Hi,

We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front of
the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel columns that
will be supporting it. The beam will be at first floor level (i.e.
approx 2.5m from the ground).

Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.

Apparently the way they got the horizontal stones in place at Stonehenge was
to lever up one end, put a chock under, then lever up the other end, chock
under etc etc. When the horizontal stone was at the right height it was
slid sideways onto the uprights.

Presumably this is just supposition though?

David

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Webmaster wrote:

Let a crane take the strain you'll be glad you did in the end.
Please don't use a cherry picker for lifting anything other than
personnel and small work equipment, it's illegal and deadly
dangerous. You have been warned!

Have you considered using a fork-lift truck - both to move it and lift it
into position?
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On 20 Dec, 11:32, "Roger Mills" wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Webmaster wrote:
Let a crane take the strain you'll be glad you did in the end.
Please don't use a cherry picker for lifting anything other than
personnel and small work equipment, it's illegal and deadly
dangerous. You have been warned!

Have you considered using a fork-lift truck - both to move it and lift it
into position?
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Cheers,
Roger
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I did but the problem is that the beam would be perpendicular to the
direction of motion so would need a 7m wide path to the garden -
unfortunately it is only 3m. A fork lift truck which could travel
sideways would do the trick but not seen one.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
wrote:

On 20 Dec, 11:32, "Roger Mills" wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Webmaster wrote:
Let a crane take the strain you'll be glad you did in the end.
Please don't use a cherry picker for lifting anything other than
personnel and small work equipment, it's illegal and deadly
dangerous. You have been warned!

Have you considered using a fork-lift truck - both to move it and
lift it into position?


I did but the problem is that the beam would be perpendicular to the
direction of motion so would need a 7m wide path to the garden -
unfortunately it is only 3m. A fork lift truck which could travel
sideways would do the trick but not seen one.

In that case, maybe you need a side-loader - see
http://www.forklifttrux.co.uk/why_sideloaders.html
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Roger
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Lobster wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
wrote:
Hi,

We are having work done on our house and it involves a big and heavy
steel beam to support most of the back of the house. It is probably
about 1000kg and 7m long (300mm x 300mm).

The builder and I are trying to figure out the best/ easiest/ most
cost effective way of getting the beam from the lorry at the front
of the house to the back of the house then up onto the steel
columns that will be supporting it. The beam will be at first
floor level (i.e. approx 2.5m from the ground).

Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.

Apparently the way they got the horizontal stones in place at
Stonehenge was to lever up one end, put a chock under, then lever up
the other end, chock under etc etc. When the horizontal stone was
at the right height it was slid sideways onto the uprights.

Presumably this is just supposition though?


Well I wasn't actually there at the time :-)


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Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:11:12 -0800 (PST), wrote:



Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.

thanks in advance for your help.

Lee.

We would probably roll the beam into position on scaffold tubes, it is
amazing the loads you can shift using this method. Once in position,
we normally would try to use Genie lifts to get the beam up to the
correct height, then scaffold up underneath the beam to support it,
lower it onto the scaffold (pre-greased) and slide/ turfor it into
final position. If the ground the genies are on is really good, i.e.
decent flat concrete, we would use the genie's to just roll it into
place rather than slide it. The scaffold is there then only as a
safety feature in case of a problem.

This is the type of lift I mean
http://www.dale-lifting.co.uk/p41613...Advantage.html

HTH

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:50:09 +0000, Jeff wrote:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:11:12 -0800 (PST), wrote:



Any thoughts on how to resolve this would be gratefully appreciated.

thanks in advance for your help.

Lee.

We would probably roll the beam into position on scaffold tubes, it is
amazing the loads you can shift using this method. Once in position, we
normally would try to use Genie lifts to get the beam up to the correct
height, then scaffold up underneath the beam to support it, lower it
onto the scaffold (pre-greased) and slide/ turfor it into final
position. If the ground the genies are on is really good, i.e. decent
flat concrete, we would use the genie's to just roll it into place
rather than slide it. The scaffold is there then only as a safety
feature in case of a problem.

This is the type of lift I mean
http://www.dale-lifting.co.uk/p41613...Advantage.html

HTH

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With care the same result could be achieved by using conventional bottle
jacks - readily available with 20 ton lift. It might be necessary to dig
holes under the beam to position the jacks for the initial lift.

Jacking would be preferable to hoisting because no heavy overhead
structure would be needed to support a winch.

Cic.

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Frank Erskine wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:34:49 -0000, "Ray"
wrote:

I have just installed a 254 x 254 x 107Kgm x 9600 beam at the back
of my house for the sliding folding doors that are 8700 metres width.
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Bloody 'ell!

Yeah, that must look absolutely fantastic