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Doctor Drivel wrote: A car does 250 miles and he thinks it is not enough, maybe he wants to go to Mars. Sad isn't it. It is if you think Mars is just over 250 miles away. Which loonie website have you been reading now? Most people are happy driving about 500 miles in a day. Many modern cars will do this on one tank - others can be refuelled in minutes. The ability to re-charge electric cars in the same time is pie in the sky. -- *If tennis elbow is painful, imagine suffering with tennis balls * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"John Stumbles" wrote in message news On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:56:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) through a haze of senile flatulence wrote: snip senile babble Now we all know that driving an IC car hard results in heavier fuel consumption and of course the same applies to an electric one. Not to the same extent: by driving hard you mean a lot of accelerating and braking, right? A well-designed electric car can recover a lot of the kinetic energy put into accelerating through regenerative braking which an IC cannot. Read the article in the first post: "He wanted something that was fast but still got good mileage. He quickly learned that high performance and fuel efficiency are mutually exclusive, at least when it comes to internal combustion engines. So he started researching alternative technologies and soon realized it was actually possible for an electric car to combine zip and efficiency. The problem: Nobody was making one." It goes on.... "The EV1, General Motors' electric car, had failed, in part because it was expensive and poorly marketed. Most crippling, though, was the underperformance of the original lead-acid batteries and even the second-gen nickel metal hydride cells. Consumers wanted a vehicle that had a range greater than the EV1's (at best) 130 miles. The common wisdom was that batteries just weren't there yet. But what did Detroit know about batteries? Eberhard had squeezed 20 hours of run time out of the little power pack on his eBook. Battery efficiency was an obsession among computer engineers, who were extracting more power from ever-smaller cells with each generation of laptops. GM seemed oblivious to the lessons emerging from the electronics industry. Eberhard began to think that if anybody was going to build a viable electric car, it would be a Silicon Valley engineer. " |
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Derek ^ wrote: The price has been set, deposits are being taken and the first delivered will be around September. That's only 5 weeks away. I would have thought there would have been some evidence of some pre-launch stock about by now. Fields full of finished cars. And what's more lots of publicity in the quality motoring press. If such a major breakthrough existed. -- *To be intoxicated is to feel sophisticated, but not be able to say it. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert my surname here wrote in message ... "tony sayer" wrote in message ... Yes I suppose the electric car does it crapping elsewhere.. at the power station?.... Indeed. There are some advantages to that, in that it is easier to treat a lot of pollution in one place, than it is to treat small amounts of pollution in lots of places. Yep. However, the inefficiencies in the systems mean that, a couple of years ago, it was demonstrated that an electric car produced three times as much pollution as a modern internal combustion engine powered car. Nonsense. That was probably a worse case scenario. Modern generating equipment, transmissions, localised power stations, modern batteries in cars etc, proves that is total balls. OTOH, car manufacturers are also continually improving their products They are? That's new to me. so that driving a modern five litre vehicle I am producing far less pollution than I was when driving around in my average saloon car in the 1960s. It still wastes 75% of the energy in the tank. No change there. Despite being cleaner than the 1960s cars they still pollute like hell. Look at the big picture for once. |
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"John Stumbles" wrote in message news On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:04:09 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: That 'they' are going for premium performance and price says a lot about just how viable the project is. The profit margin in this sector is enormous. It isn't for family cars. Bit like colour telly then: way too expensive ever to make the mass market :-) Yep. Colour telly will never catch on, neither will personal computers. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: A car does 250 miles and he thinks it is not enough, maybe he wants to go to Mars. Sad isn't it. It is if you think Mars He does want to go to Mars. Amazing. With his loafers on too. |
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John Stumbles wrote: The trouble is electric car makers and their advocates always quote the best possible range and best possible performance without making it clear the two can't happen at the same time. To fool the gullible like dribble, who already thinks it's possible to exceed 100% efficiency. Now we all know that driving an IC car hard results in heavier fuel consumption and of course the same applies to an electric one. Not to the same extent: by driving hard you mean a lot of accelerating and braking, right? A well-designed electric car can recover a lot of the kinetic energy put into accelerating through regenerative braking which an IC cannot. It would be perfectly possible to recover the kinetic energy lost in braking with a conventional IC car - after all buses do it. It's a question of economics. True it's probably cheaper in an electric car by using the motors as generators, but they will still have conventional brakes. -- *What boots up must come down * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article , Derek ^ wrote: The price has been set, deposits are being taken and the first delivered will be around September. That's only 5 weeks away. I would have thought there would have been some evidence of some pre-launch stock about by now. Fields full of finished cars. And what's more lots of publicity in the quality motoring press. Richard Cranium here thinks there is a quality motoring press. Thee is no such thing, as they are bought out by the big auto companies who hold them to ransom over advertising. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article , John Stumbles wrote: It is actually. Drive to the in-laws 200 miles away and while they feed you another 250 miles is being fed into the thing from their socket, On the planet I live on not many people's in-laws have a 70 Amp socket outlet. He is obviously hot a bothered. The care they give him is substandard that is for sure. He should be out in his loafers. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Basically, the sort of BS we've all read before many many times. That might be a good point to remind people what Adam (aka IMM, aka Drivel) said in May 2000 [1]: I have mentioned this point in other posts on this thread. Car propulsion system are to change radically in the next 5 years or so with the fuel cell being introduced. Well, six years later... [1] http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-...e=source&hl=en -- Andy |
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"Slurp" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... Then the Toshiba batteries are to be introduced that can take 80% of the charge in 3 minutes and full in 5. mmmmm lets think about that - 50kWh battery charged in 5 mins - sounds good. --- where do I plug it in - that's 2608A at 230V - may be I can tap into the 440kV overhead lines? Charging stations that would used capacitors charged overnight. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: (assuming you meant "Bye Bye", as in the end of the IC... Yep. I can't wait to see the back of them. But seem to advocate a Stirling engine a few posts ago? Perhaps you think that's not an IC engine... Richard Cranium, the Stirluing is an external combustion engine (EC), not internal combustion (IC). Best you get out with those loafers on. snip not and bothered senile ramblings I hope he cleans the doggy doos off his loafer before he goes out. |
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"Andy Wade" wrote in message ... Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Basically, the sort of BS we've all read before many many times. That might be a good point to remind people what Adam (aka IMM, aka Drivel) said in May 2000 [1]: I have mentioned this point in other posts on this thread. Car propulsion system are to change radically in the next 5 years or so with the fuel cell being introduced. Well, six years later... [1] http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-...e=source&hl=en This is fabulous. Our lecky nerd is educating himself on the wisdom of past posts. Fabulous Keep it Nerdy. Keep it up. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article , John Stumbles wrote: Not to the same extent: by driving hard you mean a lot of accelerating and braking, right? A well-designed electric car can recover a lot of the kinetic energy put into accelerating through regenerative braking which an IC cannot. It would be perfectly possible to recover the kinetic energy lost in braking with a conventional IC car - after all buses do it. It's a question of economics. True it's probably cheaper in an electric car by using the motors as generators, but they will still have conventional brakes. Richard Cranium, the Prius has regen brakes and mechanical as backup. The problem in California is that the discs rust as the mechanic brakes never operate. I slam mine on occasionally to make sure they operate. Now make sure the doggy doos is off your loafers before you go out. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
This is fabulous. Our lecky nerd is educating himself on the wisdom of TMBSNMOTW "wisdom" WWIWNPF. -- Andy |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... "Slurp" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... Then the Toshiba batteries are to be introduced that can take 80% of the charge in 3 minutes and full in 5. mmmmm lets think about that - 50kWh battery charged in 5 mins - sounds good. --- where do I plug it in - that's 2608A at 230V - may be I can tap into the 440kV overhead lines? Charging stations that would used capacitors charged overnight. Point me to a capacitor that can hold 50kWh (that's 180MJ if it helps). |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: But what did Detroit know about batteries? Eberhard had squeezed 20 hours of run time out of the little power pack on his eBook. But what - and this is the important bit - does Eberhard (sounds like a porn star) know about cars? -- *It's this dirty because I washed it with your wife's knickers* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Andy Wade wrote: Basically, the sort of BS we've all read before many many times. That might be a good point to remind people what Adam (aka IMM, aka Drivel) said in May 2000 [1]: I have mentioned this point in other posts on this thread. Car propulsion system are to change radically in the next 5 years or so with the fuel cell being introduced. Well, six years later... [1] http://groups.google.com/group/uk.d-...e=source&hl=en Of course he didn't actually *say* these things - merely repeated and believes what he reads on a website or ad. It's common with those who have no basic engineering sense. 'Now for the science'... Next he'll be claiming to have a 2ft long penis... -- *On the seventh day He brewed beer * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: Then the Toshiba batteries are to be introduced that can take 80% of the charge in 3 minutes and full in 5. mmmmm lets think about that - 50kWh battery charged in 5 mins - sounds good. --- where do I plug it in - that's 2608A at 230V - may be I can tap into the 440kV overhead lines? Charging stations that would used capacitors charged overnight. So you charge one battery slowly to charge another fast? Very sound engineering... -- *I have my own little world - but it's OK...they know me here* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: the Stirluing is [snipped for obvious reasons] Must be foaming at the mouth by now... -- *What do little birdies see when they get knocked unconscious? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: Richard Cranium, the Prius has regen brakes and mechanical as backup. The problem in California is that the discs rust as the mechanic brakes never operate. Oh dear - they hadn't thought of that? Another example of poor design, then? I slam mine on occasionally to make sure they operate. Yes - but what do you do with your brakes? -- *A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Slurp wrote: Charging stations that would used capacitors charged overnight. Point me to a capacitor that can hold 50kWh (that's 180MJ if it helps). When did such things concern dribble, or the cost? It might be around one day and that's good enough for him. -- *Certain frogs can be frozen solid, then thawed, and survive * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: But what did Detroit know about batteries? Eberhard had squeezed 20 hours of run time out of the little power pack on his eBook. But what more snipped senility I wonder if therapy can help him. The drugs are not developed yet. |
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"Andy Wade" wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: This is fabulous. Our lecky nerd is educating himself on the wisdom of TMBSNMOTW "wisdom" WWIWNPF. Oh look! Our nerd is talking in capital letters. Isn't that fun!! |
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"Slurp" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... "Slurp" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... Then the Toshiba batteries are to be introduced that can take 80% of the charge in 3 minutes and full in 5. mmmmm lets think about that - 50kWh battery charged in 5 mins - sounds good. --- where do I plug it in - that's 2608A at 230V - may be I can tap into the 440kV overhead lines? Charging stations that would used capacitors charged overnight. Point me to a capacitor that can hold 50kWh (that's 180MJ if it helps). They are existing in the US I believe. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: Then the Toshiba batteries are to be introduced that can take 80% of the charge in 3 minutes and full in 5. mmmmm lets think about that - 50kWh battery charged in 5 mins - sounds good. --- where do I plug it in - that's 2608A at 230V - may be I can tap into the 440kV overhead lines? Charging stations that would used capacitors charged overnight. So you snip senile babble, yet again They shouldn't be allowed to keep them all day like he has been. He must have fresh air on a days like this. I blame Thatcher for all this. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: the Stirling is snip total incoherrent senile babble & drivel This is sad isn't it. |
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The DNS Server. Another classic
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:48:08 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:31:20 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote (in article ews.net): The Internet was relatively overnight. The DNS server is actually in Fort Knox, that is how important the Internet is to modern living. Within 5 years it was well established an indispensable. Another classic. I trust you're collecting these for posterity Andy? There must be a moderately amusing paperback to be made of Dr D's assertions and predictions! |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: the Stirluing is [snipped for obvious reasons] Must be foaming at the mouth by now... LMAO! |
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The DNS Server. Another classic
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:51:10 GMT, John Stumbles
wrote: On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:48:08 +0100, Andy Hall wrote: On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:31:20 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote (in article ews.net): The Internet was relatively overnight. The DNS server is actually in Fort Knox, that is how important the Internet is to modern living. Within 5 years it was well established an indispensable. Another classic. I trust you're collecting these for posterity Andy? There must be a moderately amusing paperback to be made of Dr D's assertions and predictions! Erich von Driveliken The Prius of the Gods -- Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd. http://www.pherber.com/ http://www.sandrila.co.uk/ |
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... "Slurp" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... "Slurp" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... Then the Toshiba batteries are to be introduced that can take 80% of the charge in 3 minutes and full in 5. mmmmm lets think about that - 50kWh battery charged in 5 mins - sounds good. --- where do I plug it in - that's 2608A at 230V - may be I can tap into the 440kV overhead lines? Charging stations that would used capacitors charged overnight. Point me to a capacitor that can hold 50kWh (that's 180MJ if it helps). They are existing in the US I believe. Is that Uranus or Saturn? |
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The DNS Server. Another classic
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:51:10 +0100, John Stumbles wrote
(in article ): On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:48:08 +0100, Andy Hall wrote: On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:31:20 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote (in article ews.net): The Internet was relatively overnight. The DNS server is actually in Fort Knox, that is how important the Internet is to modern living. Within 5 years it was well established an indispensable. Another classic. I trust you're collecting these for posterity Andy? There must be a moderately amusing paperback to be made of Dr D's assertions and predictions! This one did seem especially noteworthy. In a Google search, the only reference connecting DNS to Fort Knox seems to be for a Department of Nursing Science. Perhaps therein lies a tale.... |
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"Slurp" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... "Slurp" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... "Slurp" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote in message reenews.net... Then the Toshiba batteries are to be introduced that can take 80% of the charge in 3 minutes and full in 5. mmmmm lets think about that - 50kWh battery charged in 5 mins - sounds good. --- where do I plug it in - that's 2608A at 230V - may be I can tap into the 440kV overhead lines? Charging stations that would used capacitors charged overnight. Point me to a capacitor that can hold 50kWh (that's 180MJ if it helps). They are existing in the US I believe. Is that Uranus or Saturn? Whatever planet you think you are on. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Must be foaming at the mouth by now... Richard, was the doggy that did the doos foaming at the mouth very hard? |
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The DNS Server. Another classic
"John Stumbles" wrote in message news On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:48:08 +0100, Andy Hall wrote: On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:31:20 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote (in article ews.net): The Internet was relatively overnight. The DNS server is actually in Fort Knox, that is how important the Internet is to modern living. Within 5 years it was well established an indispensable. Another classic. I trust you're collecting these for posterity Andy? There must be a moderately amusing paperback to be made of Dr D's assertions and predictions! Didn't know what I told you, did you? Such a thicko. You and Matt/Lord Hall deserve each other. Both of you are from grotty little towns anyway. |
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The DNS Server. Another classic
"John Stumbles" wrote in message news On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:48:08 +0100, Andy Hall wrote: On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:31:20 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote (in article ews.net): The Internet was relatively overnight. The DNS server is actually in Fort Knox, that is how important the Internet is to modern living. Within 5 years it was well established an indispensable. Another classic. I trust you're collecting these for posterity Andy? Or you putting wood behind a shower. Yep, we have em all here. You should read and you will learn a lot especially about heating and water systems. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Mike Dodd wrote: Oh, and if you think oil was scarce, try the Lithium used in the batteries. Replace all ICs with lithium powered electric and I think you'll hit a minor snag. I think you will find that a large part of the earth's crust is made of lithium actually. One of the most common elements. http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pu...lithimcs06.pdf For a US centric view on world lithium reserves..that totally ignores Asia. Ah, I did refute my own statement, about 20 minutes before you. Server lag and if you'd already downloaded headers then understandable. My poor and hungover memory was the electronics shortage of tantalum. Still, there has been a gap between supply and demand a couple of years ago - but that seems to be resolved now. Yes, I probably followed the same link as you to the above from Wiki (I was sure I'd got something wrong and needed to quickly research). Then I got sidetracked onto something within Wiki that discussed the use of lithium in nuclear weapons, which sounded all the more interesting. |
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The DNS Server. Another classic
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:31:20 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote (in article ews.net): ...Lord Hall wears a top hat, this is clearly so ...Lord Hall thinks the top hat is trendy and the go ...Lord Hall wears the top hat all through the week ...and the dead mouse upon his lip don't half reak ...he doesn't know it's there, as dead mice don't squeak I wonder if Makita have a mussie removal attachment. |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:13:58 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: But what did Detroit know about batteries? Eberhard had squeezed 20 hours of run time out of the little power pack on his eBook. But what - and this is the important bit - does Eberhard (sounds like a porn star) know about cars? That's not the point: what's important is that it sounds as if he _knew_ that he knew nothing[1] about car design and handed that side of the job over to people with the expertise, in this case Lotus. [1] Oh! that a certain contributor to this group were so enlightened. Then he might be making something like this instead of drooling about it. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Mike Dodd" wrote in message ... (assuming you meant "Bye Bye", as in the end of the IC... Yep. I can't wait to see the back of them. Please note that I'll welcome the day that electric replaced IC - but that day isn't here yet, nor will it be in 18 months with the release of the saloon. With the recharging limitations of this technology you need to be looking at something like a three-fold range improvement before you can start scrapping the IC. You are a very negative person. Do you think the world is going to end soon too? Hmmm, you seem to have a rather bipolar view. Maybe you should rethink where the lithium is best used. |
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