Anybody know what they're made of ? I need to cast some balls for a ball
mill , and have a choice of pure lead or tire weight material . I see
sellers on ebay that have 10% antimony/90 lead for this use , others have
pure lead . Still others have ceramic balls , but I'm not sure those have
enough weight for a small ball mill . The one thing all have in common is
that they're around a half inch diameter . I figger the .490 ball mold for
my muzzleloader will work just fine .
--
Snag

Can't answer the alloy question directly, but tire weight lead is harder
than pure lead. I use it for lead hammers & it's much better than pure
for that.

Bob

On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 12:08:25 PM UTC-8, Terry Coombs wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ? I need to cast some balls for a ball
mill , and have a choice of pure lead or tire weight material

Ball mills make lots of dust, and lead oxide dust is toxic. Could you just use steel
shot instead (BBs?), or gravel?

whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 12:08:25 PM UTC-8, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ? I need to cast some balls for a
ball mill , and have a choice of pure lead or tire weight material

Ball mills make lots of dust, and lead oxide dust is toxic. Could
you just use steel shot instead (BBs?), or gravel?

What I'm milling requires the media to be non-sparking .

--
Snag

On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes of new
weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their way into the shop
manager's car ... my son managed to get one for me and no one ever asked
why the manager ordered a bunch of them shortly before the changeover ... .
I also got a bunch of used ones from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt
were all steel .

--
Snag

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes of new
weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their way into the shop
manager's car ... my son managed to get one for me and no one ever asked
why the manager ordered a bunch of them shortly before the changeover ... .
I also got a bunch of used ones from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt
were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them harder.
Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem? Because
there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes of
new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their way
into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for me
and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used ones
from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them harder.
Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem? Because
there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll matter much
.. I have really gotten into primitive hunting techniques since moving to the
woods of North central Arkansas ... next thing ya know I'll be gluing turkey
feathers onto wood sticks with glue from boiled hooves .
Though I might get into something more modern once I finish my Gingery
shaper build . With a shaper one can fabricate bolt action receivers . And a
lot of other neat stuff . Like falling blocks ...
--
Snag

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:22:21 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes of
new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their way
into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for me
and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used ones
from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them harder.
Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem? Because
there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll matter much
. I have really gotten into primitive hunting techniques since moving to the
woods of North central Arkansas ... next thing ya know I'll be gluing turkey
feathers onto wood sticks with glue from boiled hooves .

Nuttin' A-tall wrong with that, Snag.


Though I might get into something more modern once I finish my Gingery
shaper build . With a shaper one can fabricate bolt action receivers . And a
lot of other neat stuff . Like falling blocks ...

Gonna be making your own .50 cal Sharps, big guy? g

--
Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
-- Thomas Jefferson

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:22:21 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes
of new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their
way into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for
me and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used
ones from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them
harder. Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem?
Because there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll
matter much . I have really gotten into primitive hunting techniques
since moving to the woods of North central Arkansas ... next thing
ya know I'll be gluing turkey feathers onto wood sticks with glue
from boiled hooves .

Nuttin' A-tall wrong with that, Snag.


Though I might get into something more modern once I finish my
Gingery shaper build . With a shaper one can fabricate bolt action
receivers . And a lot of other neat stuff . Like falling blocks ...

Gonna be making your own .50 cal Sharps, big guy? g

A few months ago I scored a bunch of .45/70 cases ... I have .454 bullet
molds . I'll need a barrel and a chambering reamer . Did you know that it's
possible to convert a sidelock percussion arm to use modern boxer primers ?

--
Snag

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

I just went to the tire shop to dig through the wheel weight bucket. The
plan was to just grab some for casting a lead hammer for a nice wood
handle I got. I had some battery terminals saved up as well for this.

Anyways, there seemed to all sorts of junk in the bucket that clearly
wasn't lead.

Some weights were clearly marked "Zn" while there were some that were
clearly lead, some that felt like lead but didn't look like it. It seems
they have pained or coated lead weights now too. There were some types of
plastic weights too, not sure what was inside them. I left those.

I had to sort the haul at home. A scribe confirmed the obviously lead ones
were probably lead. Lineman pliers easily sink right though those.

The dense lead-ish ones also cut easily, but had a coating of paint or
metal. Not really sure what it is. They felt too hard to be lead with a
scribe.

A few zinc ones slipped into my bag, and those are hard and do not cut at
all.

I'll have to melt the stuff down to separate the steel clips and other
crap, which should float to the top.

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 22:17:47 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:22:21 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes
of new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their
way into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for
me and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used
ones from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them
harder. Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem?
Because there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll
matter much . I have really gotten into primitive hunting techniques
since moving to the woods of North central Arkansas ... next thing
ya know I'll be gluing turkey feathers onto wood sticks with glue
from boiled hooves .

Nuttin' A-tall wrong with that, Snag.


Though I might get into something more modern once I finish my
Gingery shaper build . With a shaper one can fabricate bolt action
receivers . And a lot of other neat stuff . Like falling blocks ...

Gonna be making your own .50 cal Sharps, big guy? g

A few months ago I scored a bunch of .45/70 cases ... I have .454 bullet
molds . I'll need a barrel and a chambering reamer .

"I found some cases so now I need to build a gun around 'em.", eh?
Cool, carry on!


Did you know that it's
possible to convert a sidelock percussion arm to use modern boxer primers ?

No, and that's not just because I'd never heard the term "sidelock"
before, either. :/ I like my guns to be semi-automatic, so I've
never looked into muzzleloading, single actions, or things of that
sort.

--
Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
-- Thomas Jefferson

On 2/4/2015 3:53 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
... tire weight lead is harder than pure lead. I use it for lead
hammers & it's much better than pure for that.

Oh, wait ... (senior moment): I use Linotype lead for hammers, it is
harder. I don't think that wheel weights are hard (why would they be?).

Bob

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 22:17:47 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:22:21 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other
zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes
of new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their
way into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for
me and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used
ones from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them
harder. Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem?
Because there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll
matter much . I have really gotten into primitive hunting
techniques since moving to the woods of North central Arkansas ...
next thing ya know I'll be gluing turkey feathers onto wood sticks
with glue from boiled hooves .

Nuttin' A-tall wrong with that, Snag.


Though I might get into something more modern once I finish my
Gingery shaper build . With a shaper one can fabricate bolt
action receivers . And a lot of other neat stuff . Like falling
blocks ...

Gonna be making your own .50 cal Sharps, big guy? g

A few months ago I scored a bunch of .45/70 cases ... I have .454
bullet molds . I'll need a barrel and a chambering reamer .

"I found some cases so now I need to build a gun around 'em.", eh?
Cool, carry on!


Did you know that it's
possible to convert a sidelock percussion arm to use modern boxer
primers ?

No, and that's not just because I'd never heard the term "sidelock"
before, either. :/ I like my guns to be semi-automatic, so I've
never looked into muzzleloading, single actions, or things of that
sort.

I like 'em all , and have or have owned most types . My personal
preference is for bolt actions with high-power scopes ... but semi-autos and
SA revolvers are fun too . The only type that has no place in my collection
is a full auto . I think they're a waste of ammo in most cases ... though in
full combat situations they can be quite handy .

--
Snag

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:22:21 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes of
new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their way
into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for me
and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used ones
from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them harder.
Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem? Because
there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll matter much
. I have really gotten into primitive hunting techniques since moving to the
woods of North central Arkansas ... next thing ya know I'll be gluing turkey
feathers onto wood sticks with glue from boiled hooves .
Though I might get into something more modern once I finish my Gingery
shaper build . With a shaper one can fabricate bolt action receivers . And a
lot of other neat stuff . Like falling blocks ...
I thought that black powder was made by milling the charcoal and
sulfur together, the saltpetre by itself, and then carefully mixing
them. I have a recipe somewhere from over 40 years ago that I used to
make my own powder. I used a mortar and pestle. Made by Coors.
Appropriate at the time because we were drinking some we stole from my
friend's dad. I remember wetting the powder and pressing it into tiny
pellets about 1/4" diameter and 1/8" long. After drying we made some
pretty loud bangs but not as loud as hoped.
Eric

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:22:21 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes
of new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their
way into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for
me and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used
ones from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them
harder. Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem?
Because there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll
matter much . I have really gotten into primitive hunting techniques
since moving to the woods of North central Arkansas ... next thing
ya know I'll be gluing turkey feathers onto wood sticks with glue
from boiled hooves . Though I might get into something more modern
once I finish my Gingery shaper build . With a shaper one can
fabricate bolt action receivers . And a lot of other neat stuff .
Like falling blocks ...
I thought that black powder was made by milling the charcoal and
sulfur together, the saltpetre by itself, and then carefully mixing
them. I have a recipe somewhere from over 40 years ago that I used to
make my own powder. I used a mortar and pestle. Made by Coors.
Appropriate at the time because we were drinking some we stole from my
friend's dad. I remember wetting the powder and pressing it into tiny
pellets about 1/4" diameter and 1/8" long. After drying we made some
pretty loud bangs but not as loud as hoped.
Eric

It all gets milled together . I'll be using KNO3 prills for some , that
material will be milled a couple of hours before adding the charcoal and
sulfur . Once it's all milled to the consistency of very fine dust it'll be
moistened just enough to be pressed into cakes which will then be processed
into granules by pushing it thru a screen . Let it dry out then make bangs .

--
Snag

On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 12:29:32 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:22:21 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes
of new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their
way into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for
me and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used
ones from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them
harder. Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem?
Because there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll
matter much . I have really gotten into primitive hunting techniques
since moving to the woods of North central Arkansas ... next thing
ya know I'll be gluing turkey feathers onto wood sticks with glue
from boiled hooves . Though I might get into something more modern
once I finish my Gingery shaper build . With a shaper one can
fabricate bolt action receivers . And a lot of other neat stuff .
Like falling blocks ...
I thought that black powder was made by milling the charcoal and
sulfur together, the saltpetre by itself, and then carefully mixing
them. I have a recipe somewhere from over 40 years ago that I used to
make my own powder. I used a mortar and pestle. Made by Coors.
Appropriate at the time because we were drinking some we stole from my
friend's dad. I remember wetting the powder and pressing it into tiny
pellets about 1/4" diameter and 1/8" long. After drying we made some
pretty loud bangs but not as loud as hoped.
Eric

It all gets milled together . I'll be using KNO3 prills for some , that
material will be milled a couple of hours before adding the charcoal and
sulfur . Once it's all milled to the consistency of very fine dust it'll be
moistened just enough to be pressed into cakes which will then be processed
into granules by pushing it thru a screen . Let it dry out then make bangs .

Man, I thought you had found a bat cave or was saving your pee in
buckets to leach through wood ashes. One of the foxfire books had
techniques and recipes. If you want, I can dig through mine and give
you the reference.

Pete Keillor

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:49:24 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

On 2/4/2015 3:53 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
... tire weight lead is harder than pure lead. I use it for lead
hammers & it's much better than pure for that.



Oh, wait ... (senior moment): I use Linotype lead for hammers, it is
harder.
4-12-84 tin antimony and lead alloy.
I don't think that wheel weights are hard (why would they be?).

They are. They are generally 0.5% antimony and 0.25% arsenic - the
rest being lead - and they are heat treated for hardness.

Bob

Pete Keillor wrote:
On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 12:29:32 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:22:21 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other
zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes
of new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their
way into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for
me and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used
ones from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them
harder. Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem?
Because there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll
matter much . I have really gotten into primitive hunting
techniques since moving to the woods of North central Arkansas ...
next thing ya know I'll be gluing turkey feathers onto wood sticks
with glue from boiled hooves . Though I might get into something
more modern once I finish my Gingery shaper build . With a
shaper one can fabricate bolt action receivers . And a lot of
other neat stuff . Like falling blocks ...
I thought that black powder was made by milling the charcoal and
sulfur together, the saltpetre by itself, and then carefully mixing
them. I have a recipe somewhere from over 40 years ago that I used
to make my own powder. I used a mortar and pestle. Made by Coors.
Appropriate at the time because we were drinking some we stole from
my friend's dad. I remember wetting the powder and pressing it into
tiny pellets about 1/4" diameter and 1/8" long. After drying we
made some pretty loud bangs but not as loud as hoped.
Eric

It all gets milled together . I'll be using KNO3 prills for some ,
that material will be milled a couple of hours before adding the
charcoal and sulfur . Once it's all milled to the consistency of
very fine dust it'll be moistened just enough to be pressed into
cakes which will then be processed into granules by pushing it thru
a screen . Let it dry out then make bangs .

Man, I thought you had found a bat cave or was saving your pee in
buckets to leach through wood ashes. One of the foxfire books had
techniques and recipes. If you want, I can dig through mine and give
you the reference.

Pete Keillor

Pee and wood ashes ? Hmmm ... wood burning stove , camper black water
holding tank ... I could do that ! But not really worth the effort right
now , I have enough ingredients to make a few pounds , probably more than
I'll ever shoot . Just a few days ago tried my hand at making charcoal from
some black gum . Very similar to willow , which supposedly makes the best .

--
Snag

On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 08:43:25 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 22:17:47 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:
Did you know that it's
possible to convert a sidelock percussion arm to use modern boxer
primers ?

No, and that's not just because I'd never heard the term "sidelock"
before, either. :/ I like my guns to be semi-automatic, so I've
never looked into muzzleloading, single actions, or things of that
sort.

I like 'em all , and have or have owned most types . My personal
preference is for bolt actions with high-power scopes ... but semi-autos and
SA revolvers are fun too . The only type that has no place in my collection
is a full auto . I think they're a waste of ammo in most cases ... though in
full combat situations they can be quite handy .

Agreed. Full auto has its very tiny niche application: Downing (as
fast as possible) as many rioters/foreign soldiers which are running
at you. If you can't miss and there are lots of them, a full auto is
just fine. But people sure waste ammo with them. I wonder if even
the select fire (2-3 rounds) on M-16s is truly warranted, or just a
lesser waste of ammo than full-auto.

--
Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
-- Thomas Jefferson

On 2/5/2015 6:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:49:24 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
....
I don't think that wheel weights are hard (why would they be?).

They are. They are generally 0.5% antimony and 0.25% arsenic - the
rest being lead - and they are heat treated for hardness.

Do you know why they need to be hard?

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:36:51 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

On 2/5/2015 6:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:49:24 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
...
I don't think that wheel weights are hard (why would they be?).

They are. They are generally 0.5% antimony and 0.25% arsenic - the
rest being lead - and they are heat treated for hardness.

Do you know why they need to be hard?
So they stay tight against the rim and don't bend under centrifugal
force. at 1000 RPM on a 15 inch rim, a 1 oz weight weighs 13 1/4 lbs,
before it hits a bump.

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 14:08:22 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:


Anybody know what they're made of ? I need to cast some balls for a ball
mill , and have a choice of pure lead or tire weight material . I see
sellers on ebay that have 10% antimony/90 lead for this use , others have
pure lead . Still others have ceramic balls , but I'm not sure those have
enough weight for a small ball mill . The one thing all have in common is
that they're around a half inch diameter . I figger the .490 ball mold for
my muzzleloader will work just fine .

Wheel weights are about..not exactly..but close to "#2 Alloy" They
are pretty hard for muzzle loaders, but they will...will work. They
may tend to cast a smidge small, sometimes...but the patch will make
up the difference.

A pure lead .50 ball will weigh about 177 grs (.490) while a wheel
weight ball may be around 165-170.

Not a hell of a lot of difference. Just dont mix and match..keep your
ww balls seperate from your pure lead balls.

Patching and lube differences are the bigger challenges when shooting
wheelweight balls

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthr...wheel_weight_a

etc etc

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 18:09:19 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:49:24 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

On 2/4/2015 3:53 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
... tire weight lead is harder than pure lead. I use it for lead
hammers & it's much better than pure for that.



Oh, wait ... (senior moment): I use Linotype lead for hammers, it is
harder.
4-12-84 tin antimony and lead alloy.
I don't think that wheel weights are hard (why would they be?).

They are. They are generally 0.5% antimony and 0.25% arsenic - the
rest being lead - and they are heat treated for hardness.

Bob

Wheel weight bullets are easily heat treated. Simply cast and dump
into a 5 gallon bucket of water. They will harden up to about 13
Brinel in about 5-7 days and remail that hard for about 15 yrs..then
slowly start softening up a bit and will go down to about 9 or so
Brinel

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 21:18:39 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:36:51 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

On 2/5/2015 6:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:49:24 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
...
I don't think that wheel weights are hard (why would they be?).

They are. They are generally 0.5% antimony and 0.25% arsenic - the
rest being lead - and they are heat treated for hardness.

Do you know why they need to be hard?
So they stay tight against the rim and don't bend under centrifugal
force. at 1000 RPM on a 15 inch rim, a 1 oz weight weighs 13 1/4 lbs,
before it hits a bump.

Ayup. Tape weights..which are taped to the inside of the rim are
generally pure lead..because they are being loaded against a flat rim
and are not subject to being torn off


"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:22:21 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes of
new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their way
into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for me
and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used ones
from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them harder.
Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem? Because
there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll matter much
. I have really gotten into primitive hunting techniques since moving to the
woods of North central Arkansas ... next thing ya know I'll be gluing turkey
feathers onto wood sticks with glue from boiled hooves .
Though I might get into something more modern once I finish my Gingery
shaper build . With a shaper one can fabricate bolt action receivers . And a
lot of other neat stuff . Like falling blocks ...

Falling blocks are a hell of a lot easier to make on a shaper. Been
there, done that.

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/hobby-...lueprints.html

http://www.assra.com/Archivelibrary.htm

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/947...walter-mueller

http://s89.photobucket.com/user/Rifl...start=0&page=1

etc etc etc




"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 22:17:47 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:22:21 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes
of new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their
way into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for
me and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used
ones from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them
harder. Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem?
Because there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll
matter much . I have really gotten into primitive hunting techniques
since moving to the woods of North central Arkansas ... next thing
ya know I'll be gluing turkey feathers onto wood sticks with glue
from boiled hooves .

Nuttin' A-tall wrong with that, Snag.


Though I might get into something more modern once I finish my
Gingery shaper build . With a shaper one can fabricate bolt action
receivers . And a lot of other neat stuff . Like falling blocks ...

Gonna be making your own .50 cal Sharps, big guy? g

A few months ago I scored a bunch of .45/70 cases ... I have .454 bullet
molds . I'll need a barrel and a chambering reamer . Did you know that it's
possible to convert a sidelock percussion arm to use modern boxer primers ?

Yes, However..its dangerous. Boxer primers have a lot more Whap! to
them and unless your hammer is sheilded properly.you may wind up with
metal in your face. Most current boxer primer devices enclose them
inside of a screw together gizmo..which makes a fast reload a pain in
the ass.

You can also use roll caps and "greenie stickem caps" and the red
plastic cap gun primers found in the toy guns section of most any
discount store. You will just have to make new nipples for each type

The old Hopkins and Allen underhammers were pretty good for this sort
of thing.

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 08:06:54 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

I just went to the tire shop to dig through the wheel weight bucket. The
plan was to just grab some for casting a lead hammer for a nice wood
handle I got. I had some battery terminals saved up as well for this.

Anyways, there seemed to all sorts of junk in the bucket that clearly
wasn't lead.

Some weights were clearly marked "Zn" while there were some that were
clearly lead, some that felt like lead but didn't look like it. It seems
they have pained or coated lead weights now too. There were some types of
plastic weights too, not sure what was inside them. I left those.

I had to sort the haul at home. A scribe confirmed the obviously lead ones
were probably lead. Lineman pliers easily sink right though those.

The dense lead-ish ones also cut easily, but had a coating of paint or
metal. Not really sure what it is. They felt too hard to be lead with a
scribe.

A few zinc ones slipped into my bag, and those are hard and do not cut at
all.

I'll have to melt the stuff down to separate the steel clips and other
crap, which should float to the top.

The zinc will float as well..but if you go over about 750-800F..they
may sublimate into the mix and the resulting bullets will be a pain in
the ass.

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 14:08:22 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:


Anybody know what they're made of ? I need to cast some balls for a
ball mill , and have a choice of pure lead or tire weight material .
I see sellers on ebay that have 10% antimony/90 lead for this use ,
others have pure lead . Still others have ceramic balls , but I'm
not sure those have enough weight for a small ball mill . The one
thing all have in common is that they're around a half inch diameter
. I figger the .490 ball mold for my muzzleloader will work just
fine .

Wheel weights are about..not exactly..but close to "#2 Alloy" They
are pretty hard for muzzle loaders, but they will...will work. They
may tend to cast a smidge small, sometimes...but the patch will make
up the difference.

A pure lead .50 ball will weigh about 177 grs (.490) while a wheel
weight ball may be around 165-170.

Not a hell of a lot of difference. Just dont mix and match..keep your
ww balls seperate from your pure lead balls.

Patching and lube differences are the bigger challenges when shooting
wheelweight balls

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthr...wheel_weight_a

etc etc

Gunner

The wheel weights were intended for the .30 cal modern rifles . I have
enough pure lead for quite a few balls for the BP guns .
But this next run will be for a ball mill .
--
Snag

On Thursday, February 5, 2015 at 7:02:49 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Pete Keillor wrote:
On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 12:29:32 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:22:21 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other
zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes
of new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their
way into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for
me and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used
ones from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them
harder. Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem?
Because there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll
matter much . I have really gotten into primitive hunting
techniques since moving to the woods of North central Arkansas ...
next thing ya know I'll be gluing turkey feathers onto wood sticks
with glue from boiled hooves . Though I might get into something
more modern once I finish my Gingery shaper build . With a
shaper one can fabricate bolt action receivers . And a lot of
other neat stuff . Like falling blocks ...
I thought that black powder was made by milling the charcoal and
sulfur together, the saltpetre by itself, and then carefully mixing
them. I have a recipe somewhere from over 40 years ago that I used
to make my own powder. I used a mortar and pestle. Made by Coors.
Appropriate at the time because we were drinking some we stole from
my friend's dad. I remember wetting the powder and pressing it into
tiny pellets about 1/4" diameter and 1/8" long. After drying we
made some pretty loud bangs but not as loud as hoped.
Eric

It all gets milled together . I'll be using KNO3 prills for some ,
that material will be milled a couple of hours before adding the
charcoal and sulfur . Once it's all milled to the consistency of
very fine dust it'll be moistened just enough to be pressed into
cakes which will then be processed into granules by pushing it thru
a screen . Let it dry out then make bangs .

Man, I thought you had found a bat cave or was saving your
pee in buckets to leach through wood ashes. One of the foxfire
books had techniques and recipes. If you want, I can dig through
mine and give you the reference.

Pete Keillor

Pee and wood ashes? Hmmm ... wood burning stove, camper black
water holding tank ... I could do that! But not really worth
the effort right now, I have enough ingredients to make a few
pounds, probably more than I'll ever shoot. Just a few days ago
tried my hand at making charcoal from some black gum. Very similar
to willow , which supposedly makes the best .

Well I mean back to reality though, Terry. If you want the best explosive - or smokeless powder (if that's what you mean), you really should have a friend or two there with you and all of you should have taken college level chemistry courses. Best explosive such as in heat? Light? Force? Pounds per square inch?

I mean, otherwise, you are just like a bunch of intermediate school kids gathering dog crap and your own urine, etc... and playing with make-believe fireworks, home made rifles, etc... on a saturday. When I was a kid, I saw some dangerous stuff done by kids just for kicks in the neighborhood.

None of that was long-time professional explosive manufacturing complete with consultants, physicists, etc... Only that gets you "the best", let's not fool ourselves,

On Saturday, February 7, 2015 at 11:09:05 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thursday, February 5, 2015 at 7:02:49 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Pete Keillor wrote:
On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 12:29:32 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:22:21 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other
zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes
of new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their
way into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for
me and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used
ones from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them
harder. Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem?
Because there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making..
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll
matter much . I have really gotten into primitive hunting
techniques since moving to the woods of North central Arkansas ...
next thing ya know I'll be gluing turkey feathers onto wood sticks
with glue from boiled hooves . Though I might get into something
more modern once I finish my Gingery shaper build . With a
shaper one can fabricate bolt action receivers . And a lot of
other neat stuff . Like falling blocks ...
I thought that black powder was made by milling the charcoal and
sulfur together, the saltpetre by itself, and then carefully mixing
them. I have a recipe somewhere from over 40 years ago that I used
to make my own powder. I used a mortar and pestle. Made by Coors.
Appropriate at the time because we were drinking some we stole from
my friend's dad. I remember wetting the powder and pressing it into
tiny pellets about 1/4" diameter and 1/8" long. After drying we
made some pretty loud bangs but not as loud as hoped.
Eric

It all gets milled together . I'll be using KNO3 prills for some ,
that material will be milled a couple of hours before adding the
charcoal and sulfur . Once it's all milled to the consistency of
very fine dust it'll be moistened just enough to be pressed into
cakes which will then be processed into granules by pushing it thru
a screen . Let it dry out then make bangs .

Man, I thought you had found a bat cave or was saving your
pee in buckets to leach through wood ashes. One of the foxfire
books had techniques and recipes. If you want, I can dig through
mine and give you the reference.

Pete Keillor

Pee and wood ashes? Hmmm ... wood burning stove, camper black
water holding tank ... I could do that! But not really worth
the effort right now, I have enough ingredients to make a few
pounds, probably more than I'll ever shoot. Just a few days ago
tried my hand at making charcoal from some black gum. Very similar
to willow , which supposedly makes the best .

Well I mean back to reality though, Terry. If you want the best explosive - or smokeless powder (if that's what you mean), you really should have a friend or two there with you and all of you should have taken college level chemistry courses. Best explosive such as in heat? Light? Force? Pounds per square inch?

I mean, otherwise, you are just like a bunch of intermediate school kids gathering dog crap and your own urine, etc... and playing with make-believe fireworks, home made rifles, etc... on a saturday. When I was a kid, I saw some dangerous stuff done by kids just for kicks in the neighborhood.

None of that was long-time professional explosive manufacturing complete
with consultants, physicists, etc... Only that gets you "the best",
let's not fool ourselves,

Now if you don't want to go the college physics/chemistry route. There are always groups like rec.pyrotechnics and alt.engr.explosives

On Sat, 7 Feb 2015 07:12:09 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 14:08:22 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:


Anybody know what they're made of ? I need to cast some balls for a
ball mill , and have a choice of pure lead or tire weight material .
I see sellers on ebay that have 10% antimony/90 lead for this use ,
others have pure lead . Still others have ceramic balls , but I'm
not sure those have enough weight for a small ball mill . The one
thing all have in common is that they're around a half inch diameter
. I figger the .490 ball mold for my muzzleloader will work just
fine .

Wheel weights are about..not exactly..but close to "#2 Alloy" They
are pretty hard for muzzle loaders, but they will...will work. They
may tend to cast a smidge small, sometimes...but the patch will make
up the difference.

A pure lead .50 ball will weigh about 177 grs (.490) while a wheel
weight ball may be around 165-170.

Not a hell of a lot of difference. Just dont mix and match..keep your
ww balls seperate from your pure lead balls.

Patching and lube differences are the bigger challenges when shooting
wheelweight balls

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthr...wheel_weight_a

etc etc

Gunner

The wheel weights were intended for the .30 cal modern rifles . I have
enough pure lead for quite a few balls for the BP guns .
But this next run will be for a ball mill .

Wheel weights work very nicely in handguns, but for use in
rifles..they should..should be kept down to about 1800-2200 fps and.
If you have worked up a load in a weapon with good sharp rifling and
smooth grooves..you can go higher..with the right powder/gas checks
etc

For a ball mill..by all means use wheel weights. Its tough enough take
abuse without smearing lead on everything.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 02:23:29 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 21:18:39 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:36:51 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

On 2/5/2015 6:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:49:24 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
...
I don't think that wheel weights are hard (why would they be?).

They are. They are generally 0.5% antimony and 0.25% arsenic - the
rest being lead - and they are heat treated for hardness.

Do you know why they need to be hard?
So they stay tight against the rim and don't bend under centrifugal
force. at 1000 RPM on a 15 inch rim, a 1 oz weight weighs 13 1/4 lbs,
before it hits a bump.

Ayup. Tape weights..which are taped to the inside of the rim are
generally pure lead..because they are being loaded against a flat rim
and are not subject to being torn off

And need to easily flex to the circumference of the rim


"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 02:47:18 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 08:06:54 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

I just went to the tire shop to dig through the wheel weight bucket. The
plan was to just grab some for casting a lead hammer for a nice wood
handle I got. I had some battery terminals saved up as well for this.

Anyways, there seemed to all sorts of junk in the bucket that clearly
wasn't lead.

Some weights were clearly marked "Zn" while there were some that were
clearly lead, some that felt like lead but didn't look like it. It seems
they have pained or coated lead weights now too. There were some types of
plastic weights too, not sure what was inside them. I left those.

I had to sort the haul at home. A scribe confirmed the obviously lead ones
were probably lead. Lineman pliers easily sink right though those.

The dense lead-ish ones also cut easily, but had a coating of paint or
metal. Not really sure what it is. They felt too hard to be lead with a
scribe.

A few zinc ones slipped into my bag, and those are hard and do not cut at
all.

I'll have to melt the stuff down to separate the steel clips and other
crap, which should float to the top.

The zinc will float as well..but if you go over about 750-800F..they
may sublimate into the mix and the resulting bullets will be a pain in
the ass.


I would think ANY bullet in that area of the anatomy would be a
pain!!!

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 13:28:13 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 02:47:18 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 08:06:54 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

I just went to the tire shop to dig through the wheel weight bucket. The
plan was to just grab some for casting a lead hammer for a nice wood
handle I got. I had some battery terminals saved up as well for this.

Anyways, there seemed to all sorts of junk in the bucket that clearly
wasn't lead.

Some weights were clearly marked "Zn" while there were some that were
clearly lead, some that felt like lead but didn't look like it. It seems
they have pained or coated lead weights now too. There were some types of
plastic weights too, not sure what was inside them. I left those.

I had to sort the haul at home. A scribe confirmed the obviously lead ones
were probably lead. Lineman pliers easily sink right though those.

The dense lead-ish ones also cut easily, but had a coating of paint or
metal. Not really sure what it is. They felt too hard to be lead with a
scribe.

A few zinc ones slipped into my bag, and those are hard and do not cut at
all.

I'll have to melt the stuff down to separate the steel clips and other
crap, which should float to the top.

The zinc will float as well..but if you go over about 750-800F..they
may sublimate into the mix and the resulting bullets will be a pain in
the ass.


I would think ANY bullet in that area of the anatomy would be a
pain!!!

ROFLMAO!!
Indeed.

On the serious side..zinc contamination of bullet alloys will show up
as wildly unfilled bullets, a smearing inside the mould and wild
variations of bullet weight in the few you get that are actually
filled out.

I bought 100 llbs of "#2 Alloy" at a gunshow once for a significant
amount of money..took it home and it turned out to be a zinc alloy and
proven to be so by a spectroanalysis (friend in a local oilfield lab)

Next gunshow I was NOT the only guy demanding his money back from the
seller. Being a good guy..he payed us all back and left at the end of
the day weighing far more than when he arrived. He had bought it from
a company up in the Fresno area for pennies...shrug..and they sold him
zinc babbet.




"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

wrote:

Well I mean back to reality though, Terry. If you want the best
explosive - or smokeless powder (if that's what you mean), you really
should have a friend or two there with you and all of you should have
taken college level chemistry courses. Best explosive such as in
heat? Light? Force? Pounds per square inch?

I mean, otherwise, you are just like a bunch of intermediate school
kids gathering dog crap and your own urine, etc... and playing with
make-believe fireworks, home made rifles, etc... on a saturday. When
I was a kid, I saw some dangerous stuff done by kids just for kicks
in the neighborhood.

None of that was long-time professional explosive manufacturing
complete with consultants, physicists, etc... Only that gets you
"the best", let's not fool ourselves,


Well , I'm not making smokeless powder , and wouldn't try , it's way too
dangerous a process without a full lab and the proper facilities since
you're so smart , explain to me what is "cross-linked double-based
smokeless powder" . Black powder , however is another thing entirely , and
that's what I'll be making . Three ingredients in long-standardized
proportion milled until all ingredients are intimately mixed , then
processed into the granulation you want/need . That ain't rocket science .
However , if it were I'd still have that covered . Back in my younger days I
worked with some very intelligent and well-educated fooks at a place called
Thiokol Chemical Corp . Their main product ? Yup , you guessed it , rocket
motors . I'd venture to guess I know more about "rocket science" than most
reasonably-well-informed folks , and almost certainly more than you .
"Home made rifles" ? Really ? Whether you like it or will even admit it ,
I'm probably a better machinist than half of the hacks out there doing it
for a living . And damn sure a better one than you .
--
Snag

I have a couple of lead counterweights, which are chunks of lead about
1 ton each. And I have a question, how can I split them up into pieces
that can fit into medium flat rate boxes. A chainsaw does not work well.

i

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:09:31 -0600, Ignoramus19651
wrote:

I have a couple of lead counterweights, which are chunks of lead about
1 ton each. And I have a question, how can I split them up into pieces
that can fit into medium flat rate boxes. A chainsaw does not work well.

i

If it were me, I wouldn't try to cut them. I'd contact boatyards that
build sailboats and see if they'll take the whole weight.

--
Ed Huntress

On 2/7/2015 5:15 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:09:31 -0600, Ignoramus19651
wrote:

I have a couple of lead counterweights, which are chunks of lead about
1 ton each. And I have a question, how can I split them up into pieces
that can fit into medium flat rate boxes. A chainsaw does not work well.

i

If it were me, I wouldn't try to cut them. I'd contact boatyards that
build sailboats and see if they'll take the whole weight.


Excellent suggestion!

On Sat, 7 Feb 2015 15:37:06 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:

Well I mean back to reality though, Terry. If you want the best
explosive - or smokeless powder (if that's what you mean), you really
should have a friend or two there with you and all of you should have
taken college level chemistry courses. Best explosive such as in
heat? Light? Force? Pounds per square inch?

I mean, otherwise, you are just like a bunch of intermediate school
kids gathering dog crap and your own urine, etc... and playing with
make-believe fireworks, home made rifles, etc... on a saturday. When
I was a kid, I saw some dangerous stuff done by kids just for kicks
in the neighborhood.

None of that was long-time professional explosive manufacturing
complete with consultants, physicists, etc... Only that gets you
"the best", let's not fool ourselves,


Well , I'm not making smokeless powder , and wouldn't try , it's way too
dangerous a process without a full lab and the proper facilities since
you're so smart , explain to me what is "cross-linked double-based
smokeless powder" . Black powder , however is another thing entirely , and
that's what I'll be making . Three ingredients in long-standardized
proportion milled until all ingredients are intimately mixed , then
processed into the granulation you want/need . That ain't rocket science .
However , if it were I'd still have that covered . Back in my younger days I
worked with some very intelligent and well-educated fooks at a place called
Thiokol Chemical Corp . Their main product ? Yup , you guessed it , rocket
motors . I'd venture to guess I know more about "rocket science" than most
reasonably-well-informed folks , and almost certainly more than you .
"Home made rifles" ? Really ? Whether you like it or will even admit it ,
I'm probably a better machinist than half of the hacks out there doing it
for a living . And damn sure a better one than you .

^5!!!!!

Bravo!

Btw..making plastique is quite easy.
"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke