Anybody know what they're made of ? I need to cast some balls for a ball
mill , and have a choice of pure lead or tire weight material . I see
sellers on ebay that have 10% antimony/90 lead for this use , others have
pure lead . Still others have ceramic balls , but I'm not sure those have
enough weight for a small ball mill . The one thing all have in common is
that they're around a half inch diameter . I figger the .490 ball mold for
my muzzleloader will work just fine .
--
Snag

Can't answer the alloy question directly, but tire weight lead is harder
than pure lead. I use it for lead hammers & it's much better than pure
for that.

Bob

On 2/4/2015 3:53 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
... tire weight lead is harder than pure lead. I use it for lead
hammers & it's much better than pure for that.

Oh, wait ... (senior moment): I use Linotype lead for hammers, it is
harder. I don't think that wheel weights are hard (why would they be?).

Bob

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:49:24 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

On 2/4/2015 3:53 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
... tire weight lead is harder than pure lead. I use it for lead
hammers & it's much better than pure for that.



Oh, wait ... (senior moment): I use Linotype lead for hammers, it is
harder.
4-12-84 tin antimony and lead alloy.
I don't think that wheel weights are hard (why would they be?).

They are. They are generally 0.5% antimony and 0.25% arsenic - the
rest being lead - and they are heat treated for hardness.

Bob

On 2/5/2015 6:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:49:24 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
....
I don't think that wheel weights are hard (why would they be?).

They are. They are generally 0.5% antimony and 0.25% arsenic - the
rest being lead - and they are heat treated for hardness.

Do you know why they need to be hard?

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:36:51 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

On 2/5/2015 6:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:49:24 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
...
I don't think that wheel weights are hard (why would they be?).

They are. They are generally 0.5% antimony and 0.25% arsenic - the
rest being lead - and they are heat treated for hardness.

Do you know why they need to be hard?
So they stay tight against the rim and don't bend under centrifugal
force. at 1000 RPM on a 15 inch rim, a 1 oz weight weighs 13 1/4 lbs,
before it hits a bump.

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 18:09:19 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:49:24 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

On 2/4/2015 3:53 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
... tire weight lead is harder than pure lead. I use it for lead
hammers & it's much better than pure for that.



Oh, wait ... (senior moment): I use Linotype lead for hammers, it is
harder.
4-12-84 tin antimony and lead alloy.
I don't think that wheel weights are hard (why would they be?).

They are. They are generally 0.5% antimony and 0.25% arsenic - the
rest being lead - and they are heat treated for hardness.

Bob

Wheel weight bullets are easily heat treated. Simply cast and dump
into a 5 gallon bucket of water. They will harden up to about 13
Brinel in about 5-7 days and remail that hard for about 15 yrs..then
slowly start softening up a bit and will go down to about 9 or so
Brinel

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 18:09:19 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:49:24 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

On 2/4/2015 3:53 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
... tire weight lead is harder than pure lead. I use it for lead
hammers & it's much better than pure for that.



Oh, wait ... (senior moment): I use Linotype lead for hammers, it is
harder.
4-12-84 tin antimony and lead alloy.
I don't think that wheel weights are hard (why would they be?).

They are. They are generally 0.5% antimony and 0.25% arsenic - the
rest being lead - and they are heat treated for hardness.

Bob

Wheel weight bullets are easily heat treated. Simply cast and dump
into a 5 gallon bucket of water. They will harden up to about 13
Brinel in about 5-7 days and remail that hard for about 15 yrs..then
slowly start softening up a bit and will go down to about 9 or so
Brinel

What causes this up and down of hardness over time?

I finally melted down some wheel weights and made a small ingot for
recasting into a hammer. I'm going to try a mold made of sheetrock
durabond 90 since I have a sack of the stuff laying around. The trick will
be casting the oval hole to fit the wooden handle, and if everything fits
after the lead shrinks.

On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 12:08:25 PM UTC-8, Terry Coombs wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ? I need to cast some balls for a ball
mill , and have a choice of pure lead or tire weight material

Ball mills make lots of dust, and lead oxide dust is toxic. Could you just use steel
shot instead (BBs?), or gravel?

whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 12:08:25 PM UTC-8, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ? I need to cast some balls for a
ball mill , and have a choice of pure lead or tire weight material

Ball mills make lots of dust, and lead oxide dust is toxic. Could
you just use steel shot instead (BBs?), or gravel?

What I'm milling requires the media to be non-sparking .

--
Snag

On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes of new
weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their way into the shop
manager's car ... my son managed to get one for me and no one ever asked
why the manager ordered a bunch of them shortly before the changeover ... .
I also got a bunch of used ones from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt
were all steel .

--
Snag

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes of new
weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their way into the shop
manager's car ... my son managed to get one for me and no one ever asked
why the manager ordered a bunch of them shortly before the changeover ... .
I also got a bunch of used ones from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt
were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them harder.
Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem? Because
there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes of
new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their way
into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for me
and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used ones
from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them harder.
Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem? Because
there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll matter much
.. I have really gotten into primitive hunting techniques since moving to the
woods of North central Arkansas ... next thing ya know I'll be gluing turkey
feathers onto wood sticks with glue from boiled hooves .
Though I might get into something more modern once I finish my Gingery
shaper build . With a shaper one can fabricate bolt action receivers . And a
lot of other neat stuff . Like falling blocks ...
--
Snag

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:22:21 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes of
new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their way
into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for me
and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used ones
from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them harder.
Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem? Because
there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll matter much
. I have really gotten into primitive hunting techniques since moving to the
woods of North central Arkansas ... next thing ya know I'll be gluing turkey
feathers onto wood sticks with glue from boiled hooves .

Nuttin' A-tall wrong with that, Snag.


Though I might get into something more modern once I finish my Gingery
shaper build . With a shaper one can fabricate bolt action receivers . And a
lot of other neat stuff . Like falling blocks ...

Gonna be making your own .50 cal Sharps, big guy? g

--
Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
-- Thomas Jefferson

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:22:21 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes of
new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their way
into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for me
and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used ones
from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them harder.
Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem? Because
there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll matter much
. I have really gotten into primitive hunting techniques since moving to the
woods of North central Arkansas ... next thing ya know I'll be gluing turkey
feathers onto wood sticks with glue from boiled hooves .
Though I might get into something more modern once I finish my Gingery
shaper build . With a shaper one can fabricate bolt action receivers . And a
lot of other neat stuff . Like falling blocks ...
I thought that black powder was made by milling the charcoal and
sulfur together, the saltpetre by itself, and then carefully mixing
them. I have a recipe somewhere from over 40 years ago that I used to
make my own powder. I used a mortar and pestle. Made by Coors.
Appropriate at the time because we were drinking some we stole from my
friend's dad. I remember wetting the powder and pressing it into tiny
pellets about 1/4" diameter and 1/8" long. After drying we made some
pretty loud bangs but not as loud as hoped.
Eric

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:22:21 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:05:52 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs
wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

Dan

These are the lead alloy , a place my son worked at tossed boxes of
new weights when they converted . Most of the boxes made their way
into the shop manager's car ... my son managed to get one for me
and no one ever asked why the manager ordered a bunch of them
shortly before the changeover ... . I also got a bunch of used ones
from somewhere , the ones that didn't melt were all steel .
The lead alloy weights are alloyed with antimony to make them harder.
Will lead particles in the finished product be a problem? Because
there will surely be lead dust in the dust you are making.
Eric

Well , since it's intended to push lead , I don't think it'll matter much
. I have really gotten into primitive hunting techniques since moving to the
woods of North central Arkansas ... next thing ya know I'll be gluing turkey
feathers onto wood sticks with glue from boiled hooves .
Though I might get into something more modern once I finish my Gingery
shaper build . With a shaper one can fabricate bolt action receivers . And a
lot of other neat stuff . Like falling blocks ...

Falling blocks are a hell of a lot easier to make on a shaper. Been
there, done that.

http://www.cnczone.com/forums/hobby-...lueprints.html

http://www.assra.com/Archivelibrary.htm

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/947...walter-mueller

http://s89.photobucket.com/user/Rifl...start=0&page=1

etc etc etc




"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

I just went to the tire shop to dig through the wheel weight bucket. The
plan was to just grab some for casting a lead hammer for a nice wood
handle I got. I had some battery terminals saved up as well for this.

Anyways, there seemed to all sorts of junk in the bucket that clearly
wasn't lead.

Some weights were clearly marked "Zn" while there were some that were
clearly lead, some that felt like lead but didn't look like it. It seems
they have pained or coated lead weights now too. There were some types of
plastic weights too, not sure what was inside them. I left those.

I had to sort the haul at home. A scribe confirmed the obviously lead ones
were probably lead. Lineman pliers easily sink right though those.

The dense lead-ish ones also cut easily, but had a coating of paint or
metal. Not really sure what it is. They felt too hard to be lead with a
scribe.

A few zinc ones slipped into my bag, and those are hard and do not cut at
all.

I'll have to melt the stuff down to separate the steel clips and other
crap, which should float to the top.

On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 08:06:54 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

I just went to the tire shop to dig through the wheel weight bucket. The
plan was to just grab some for casting a lead hammer for a nice wood
handle I got. I had some battery terminals saved up as well for this.

Anyways, there seemed to all sorts of junk in the bucket that clearly
wasn't lead.

Some weights were clearly marked "Zn" while there were some that were
clearly lead, some that felt like lead but didn't look like it. It seems
they have pained or coated lead weights now too. There were some types of
plastic weights too, not sure what was inside them. I left those.

I had to sort the haul at home. A scribe confirmed the obviously lead ones
were probably lead. Lineman pliers easily sink right though those.

The dense lead-ish ones also cut easily, but had a coating of paint or
metal. Not really sure what it is. They felt too hard to be lead with a
scribe.

A few zinc ones slipped into my bag, and those are hard and do not cut at
all.

I'll have to melt the stuff down to separate the steel clips and other
crap, which should float to the top.

The zinc will float as well..but if you go over about 750-800F..they
may sublimate into the mix and the resulting bullets will be a pain in
the ass.

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 02:47:18 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 08:06:54 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

I just went to the tire shop to dig through the wheel weight bucket. The
plan was to just grab some for casting a lead hammer for a nice wood
handle I got. I had some battery terminals saved up as well for this.

Anyways, there seemed to all sorts of junk in the bucket that clearly
wasn't lead.

Some weights were clearly marked "Zn" while there were some that were
clearly lead, some that felt like lead but didn't look like it. It seems
they have pained or coated lead weights now too. There were some types of
plastic weights too, not sure what was inside them. I left those.

I had to sort the haul at home. A scribe confirmed the obviously lead ones
were probably lead. Lineman pliers easily sink right though those.

The dense lead-ish ones also cut easily, but had a coating of paint or
metal. Not really sure what it is. They felt too hard to be lead with a
scribe.

A few zinc ones slipped into my bag, and those are hard and do not cut at
all.

I'll have to melt the stuff down to separate the steel clips and other
crap, which should float to the top.

The zinc will float as well..but if you go over about 750-800F..they
may sublimate into the mix and the resulting bullets will be a pain in
the ass.


I would think ANY bullet in that area of the anatomy would be a
pain!!!

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 13:28:13 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 02:47:18 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 08:06:54 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

I just went to the tire shop to dig through the wheel weight bucket. The
plan was to just grab some for casting a lead hammer for a nice wood
handle I got. I had some battery terminals saved up as well for this.

Anyways, there seemed to all sorts of junk in the bucket that clearly
wasn't lead.

Some weights were clearly marked "Zn" while there were some that were
clearly lead, some that felt like lead but didn't look like it. It seems
they have pained or coated lead weights now too. There were some types of
plastic weights too, not sure what was inside them. I left those.

I had to sort the haul at home. A scribe confirmed the obviously lead ones
were probably lead. Lineman pliers easily sink right though those.

The dense lead-ish ones also cut easily, but had a coating of paint or
metal. Not really sure what it is. They felt too hard to be lead with a
scribe.

A few zinc ones slipped into my bag, and those are hard and do not cut at
all.

I'll have to melt the stuff down to separate the steel clips and other
crap, which should float to the top.

The zinc will float as well..but if you go over about 750-800F..they
may sublimate into the mix and the resulting bullets will be a pain in
the ass.


I would think ANY bullet in that area of the anatomy would be a
pain!!!

ROFLMAO!!
Indeed.

On the serious side..zinc contamination of bullet alloys will show up
as wildly unfilled bullets, a smearing inside the mould and wild
variations of bullet weight in the few you get that are actually
filled out.

I bought 100 llbs of "#2 Alloy" at a gunshow once for a significant
amount of money..took it home and it turned out to be a zinc alloy and
proven to be so by a spectroanalysis (friend in a local oilfield lab)

Next gunshow I was NOT the only guy demanding his money back from the
seller. Being a good guy..he payed us all back and left at the end of
the day weighing far more than when he arrived. He had bought it from
a company up in the Fresno area for pennies...shrug..and they sold him
zinc babbet.




"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 13:28:13 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 02:47:18 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 08:06:54 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

I just went to the tire shop to dig through the wheel weight bucket. The
plan was to just grab some for casting a lead hammer for a nice wood
handle I got. I had some battery terminals saved up as well for this.

Anyways, there seemed to all sorts of junk in the bucket that clearly
wasn't lead.

Some weights were clearly marked "Zn" while there were some that were
clearly lead, some that felt like lead but didn't look like it. It seems
they have pained or coated lead weights now too. There were some types of
plastic weights too, not sure what was inside them. I left those.

I had to sort the haul at home. A scribe confirmed the obviously lead ones
were probably lead. Lineman pliers easily sink right though those.

The dense lead-ish ones also cut easily, but had a coating of paint or
metal. Not really sure what it is. They felt too hard to be lead with a
scribe.

A few zinc ones slipped into my bag, and those are hard and do not cut at
all.

I'll have to melt the stuff down to separate the steel clips and other
crap, which should float to the top.

The zinc will float as well..but if you go over about 750-800F..they
may sublimate into the mix and the resulting bullets will be a pain in
the ass.


I would think ANY bullet in that area of the anatomy would be a
pain!!!

Dare I say it? OK: No ****!

--
Silence is more musical than any song.
-- Christina Rossetti

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 08:06:54 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

I just went to the tire shop to dig through the wheel weight bucket. The
plan was to just grab some for casting a lead hammer for a nice wood
handle I got. I had some battery terminals saved up as well for this.

Anyways, there seemed to all sorts of junk in the bucket that clearly
wasn't lead.

Some weights were clearly marked "Zn" while there were some that were
clearly lead, some that felt like lead but didn't look like it. It seems
they have pained or coated lead weights now too. There were some types of
plastic weights too, not sure what was inside them. I left those.

I had to sort the haul at home. A scribe confirmed the obviously lead ones
were probably lead. Lineman pliers easily sink right though those.

The dense lead-ish ones also cut easily, but had a coating of paint or
metal. Not really sure what it is. They felt too hard to be lead with a
scribe.

A few zinc ones slipped into my bag, and those are hard and do not cut at
all.

I'll have to melt the stuff down to separate the steel clips and other
crap, which should float to the top.

The zinc will float as well..but if you go over about 750-800F..they
may sublimate into the mix and the resulting bullets will be a pain in
the ass.

all the steel clips floated to the top with no zinc inclusion problems. I
spilled a bit and it's acts like nice clean lead.

On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 23:39:07 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 08:06:54 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

wrote:
On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Anybody know what they're made of ?
--
Snag

There is at least two types. One a lead alloy and the other zinc.

I just went to the tire shop to dig through the wheel weight bucket. The
plan was to just grab some for casting a lead hammer for a nice wood
handle I got. I had some battery terminals saved up as well for this.

Anyways, there seemed to all sorts of junk in the bucket that clearly
wasn't lead.

Some weights were clearly marked "Zn" while there were some that were
clearly lead, some that felt like lead but didn't look like it. It seems
they have pained or coated lead weights now too. There were some types of
plastic weights too, not sure what was inside them. I left those.

I had to sort the haul at home. A scribe confirmed the obviously lead ones
were probably lead. Lineman pliers easily sink right though those.

The dense lead-ish ones also cut easily, but had a coating of paint or
metal. Not really sure what it is. They felt too hard to be lead with a
scribe.

A few zinc ones slipped into my bag, and those are hard and do not cut at
all.

I'll have to melt the stuff down to separate the steel clips and other
crap, which should float to the top.

The zinc will float as well..but if you go over about 750-800F..they
may sublimate into the mix and the resulting bullets will be a pain in
the ass.

all the steel clips floated to the top with no zinc inclusion problems. I
spilled a bit and it's acts like nice clean lead.


So far as you know. Get past a certain percentage of zinc..and that
batch will..will be usable only for hammer heads or blunt objects.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 14:08:22 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:


Anybody know what they're made of ? I need to cast some balls for a ball
mill , and have a choice of pure lead or tire weight material . I see
sellers on ebay that have 10% antimony/90 lead for this use , others have
pure lead . Still others have ceramic balls , but I'm not sure those have
enough weight for a small ball mill . The one thing all have in common is
that they're around a half inch diameter . I figger the .490 ball mold for
my muzzleloader will work just fine .

Wheel weights are about..not exactly..but close to "#2 Alloy" They
are pretty hard for muzzle loaders, but they will...will work. They
may tend to cast a smidge small, sometimes...but the patch will make
up the difference.

A pure lead .50 ball will weigh about 177 grs (.490) while a wheel
weight ball may be around 165-170.

Not a hell of a lot of difference. Just dont mix and match..keep your
ww balls seperate from your pure lead balls.

Patching and lube differences are the bigger challenges when shooting
wheelweight balls

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthr...wheel_weight_a

etc etc

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 14:08:22 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:


Anybody know what they're made of ? I need to cast some balls for a
ball mill , and have a choice of pure lead or tire weight material .
I see sellers on ebay that have 10% antimony/90 lead for this use ,
others have pure lead . Still others have ceramic balls , but I'm
not sure those have enough weight for a small ball mill . The one
thing all have in common is that they're around a half inch diameter
. I figger the .490 ball mold for my muzzleloader will work just
fine .

Wheel weights are about..not exactly..but close to "#2 Alloy" They
are pretty hard for muzzle loaders, but they will...will work. They
may tend to cast a smidge small, sometimes...but the patch will make
up the difference.

A pure lead .50 ball will weigh about 177 grs (.490) while a wheel
weight ball may be around 165-170.

Not a hell of a lot of difference. Just dont mix and match..keep your
ww balls seperate from your pure lead balls.

Patching and lube differences are the bigger challenges when shooting
wheelweight balls

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthr...wheel_weight_a

etc etc

Gunner

The wheel weights were intended for the .30 cal modern rifles . I have
enough pure lead for quite a few balls for the BP guns .
But this next run will be for a ball mill .
--
Snag

On Sat, 7 Feb 2015 07:12:09 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 14:08:22 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:


Anybody know what they're made of ? I need to cast some balls for a
ball mill , and have a choice of pure lead or tire weight material .
I see sellers on ebay that have 10% antimony/90 lead for this use ,
others have pure lead . Still others have ceramic balls , but I'm
not sure those have enough weight for a small ball mill . The one
thing all have in common is that they're around a half inch diameter
. I figger the .490 ball mold for my muzzleloader will work just
fine .

Wheel weights are about..not exactly..but close to "#2 Alloy" They
are pretty hard for muzzle loaders, but they will...will work. They
may tend to cast a smidge small, sometimes...but the patch will make
up the difference.

A pure lead .50 ball will weigh about 177 grs (.490) while a wheel
weight ball may be around 165-170.

Not a hell of a lot of difference. Just dont mix and match..keep your
ww balls seperate from your pure lead balls.

Patching and lube differences are the bigger challenges when shooting
wheelweight balls

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthr...wheel_weight_a

etc etc

Gunner

The wheel weights were intended for the .30 cal modern rifles . I have
enough pure lead for quite a few balls for the BP guns .
But this next run will be for a ball mill .

Wheel weights work very nicely in handguns, but for use in
rifles..they should..should be kept down to about 1800-2200 fps and.
If you have worked up a load in a weapon with good sharp rifling and
smooth grooves..you can go higher..with the right powder/gas checks
etc

For a ball mill..by all means use wheel weights. Its tough enough take
abuse without smearing lead on everything.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

I have a couple of lead counterweights, which are chunks of lead about
1 ton each. And I have a question, how can I split them up into pieces
that can fit into medium flat rate boxes. A chainsaw does not work well.

i

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:09:31 -0600, Ignoramus19651
wrote:

I have a couple of lead counterweights, which are chunks of lead about
1 ton each. And I have a question, how can I split them up into pieces
that can fit into medium flat rate boxes. A chainsaw does not work well.

i

If it were me, I wouldn't try to cut them. I'd contact boatyards that
build sailboats and see if they'll take the whole weight.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:09:31 -0600, Ignoramus19651
wrote:

I have a couple of lead counterweights, which are chunks of lead about
1 ton each. And I have a question, how can I split them up into pieces
that can fit into medium flat rate boxes. A chainsaw does not work well.

i

Table saw with a very course blade. Only 2-4 cutting edges.

The other way is to take a propane torch..the type called Weed burners
and start melting the edges over a suitable metal container.

It will take less time than you would think

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child,
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
PJ O'Rourke

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:09:31 -0600, Ignoramus19651
wrote:

I have a couple of lead counterweights, which are chunks of lead about
1 ton each. And I have a question, how can I split them up into pieces
that can fit into medium flat rate boxes. A chainsaw does not work well.

How about a chisel edged cutter in your big press? What size are
they?

Maybe try a bow saw with a regular limbing blade in it. The large and
infrequent teeth should allow the pieces to drop pretty quickly.
http://tinyurl.com/ltfp43l

--
Silence is more musical than any song.
-- Christina Rossetti

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:09:31 -0600, Ignoramus19651
wrote:

I have a couple of lead counterweights, which are chunks of lead about
1 ton each. And I have a question, how can I split them up into pieces
that can fit into medium flat rate boxes. A chainsaw does not work well.

i
I don't know the actual dimensions of your weights so I can't tell how
long of a saw blade you would need but a tree saw with a new blade
will work pretty well. I have found from cutting up some 4" x 4" lead
ballast weights that using a new blade in a "Sven Saw" worked well. I
used some water soluble oil mixed pretty thick and pulled on the
blade. By pulling instead of pushing the blade it didn't tend to bind
in the cut so much. The thick oil mix was so that it would stay on the
blade. Don't try to put too much down pressure on the blade or it will
stick. The really coarse teeth on the wood saw, and the wide kerf
compared to my bandsaw blades, made the cuts go pretty fast. See the
link:
http://www.woodandmetal.com/product/...aw-folding-saw
It shows a picture of a Sven Saw. Any similar saw will do. Supporting
the blade at both ends is best, any saw that does this will work. I
just happened to have a Sven Saw.
Eric

Ignoramus19651 wrote:
I have a couple of lead counterweights, which are chunks of lead about
1 ton each. And I have a question, how can I split them up into pieces
that can fit into medium flat rate boxes. A chainsaw does not work well.

melt channels though it with a torch to divide it up. Lead melts real
fast.