"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
Pete Snell wrote:
And you can also see how
important ozone is to keep us from frying in UV.

Gack! Ozone-hole-ism again already?

Ozone is the RESULT of UV being "blocked" by O2. A UV photon dissociates
an
O2 molecule into two O atoms, which grab onto the nearest molecule, like
O2, which PRODUCES O3.

O3 isn't what "blocks UV" - O3 is the result of the UV being blocked by
plain ol' ordinary everyday oxygen.


Rich,
Not really correct.
Ozone is formed from O2 by very short UV wavelengths less than 240 nm (as
well as electrical arcs). Once formed it can then absorb wavelengths up to
290nm or so

But the teaching of actual science, or practically any facts at all,
went out the window when the unions took over the schools and turned
them into propaganda mills that teach nothing but "Self-Esteem" -
"Duh, I dunno how to add two and two, but I feel real good about myself,
yup, yup, yup, yup!"

Thanks,
Rich

I agree, there are an awful lot of people here who have a lack of knowledge
and no shortage of self-esteem.

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 22:44:07 -0800, Rich Grise
Larry Jaques wrote:

I'll give you the link if you'll promise to stop replying to trolls
here on RCM. Promise? Good.

Oh, gawrsh, Michael T. is just so EASY to trollfeed.

Please, you're being suckered. Don't you see that? Just ignore all of
them, for all our sakes.

With him, it seems to be some sort of personal vendetta - he keeps claiming
he's plonking me, but seems to keep dogging me.

But I won't initiate any hostilities.

And I'm building a fairly significant "ignore" list - it's not rocket
science. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

John R. Carroll wrote:
guns. That's a lot of health care alone and if it isn't enough of a reason
to deal with the issue, nothing is.

The solution to the "health care" thing is quit robbing the taxpayers to pay
the bills of the negligent and stupid, IOW, just lose the socialism.

Cheers!
Rich

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Jan 16, 10:47*am, Lewis Hartswick wrote:
Jim Wilkins wrote:

Physics and chemistry in general are very difficult to
explain to non-scientists.

I would put a lot closer to "impossible". :-)

I'm still trying to learn clear and concise technical writing. Should
I give up?

Nah - it's just like getting to Carnegie Hall - practice, practice,
practice!

Cheers!
Rich

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
Tom Gardner wrote:
"Phil Kangas" wrote in message
"Tom Gardner" ihfd@lhu wrote in message
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message

Catastrophe: Chinese wire brushes
Cause: Global Warming

They import and sell a product cheaper than I can buy the uncut wire.
But, the Chinese government supports their businesses. 90% of the
stuff
I sell I didn't make 10 years ago. And, I have to be constantly
producing
new products to stay ahead of them. I bet China is laughing their
asses
off about GW!

Those small 'toothbrush' stainless steel brushes the chinese
are selling are total garbage! Even the ones made in Mexico
are a quantum leap ahead of the chinacrap ones. I say the
chinacrap brushes are FDA certified safe for unsupervised
use by young children! heh heh ... ;)) phil k.

There are four Chinese manufacturers of those 3x7 row SS "toothbrushes".
One of them really does make a good product, the other three make exactly
what they are contracted to make. The Chinese make what ever the
customer
wants, often the customer wants crap.

Probably more likely the customer wants cheap, and can't tell crap from a
hole in the ground

But you already knew that; I should shut up.

Thanks,
Rich


You clarified that very well Rich!

"Tom Gardner" gertk@lhu wrote in message
...

"Rich Grise" wrote
in message
...
Tom Gardner wrote:
"Phil Kangas" wrote in
message
"Tom Gardner" ihfd@lhu wrote in message
"Michael A. Terrell"
wrote in
message

Catastrophe: Chinese wire brushes
Cause: Global Warming

They import and sell a product cheaper than
I can buy the uncut wire.
But, the Chinese government supports their
businesses. 90% of the stuff
I sell I didn't make 10 years ago. And, I
have to be constantly
producing
new products to stay ahead of them. I bet
China is laughing their asses
off about GW!

Those small 'toothbrush' stainless steel
brushes the chinese
are selling are total garbage! Even the ones
made in Mexico
are a quantum leap ahead of the chinacrap
ones. I say the
chinacrap brushes are FDA certified safe for
unsupervised
use by young children! heh heh ... ;)) phil
k.

There are four Chinese manufacturers of those
3x7 row SS "toothbrushes".
One of them really does make a good product,
the other three make exactly
what they are contracted to make. The Chinese
make what ever the customer
wants, often the customer wants crap.

Probably more likely the customer wants cheap,
and can't tell crap from a
hole in the ground

But you already knew that; I should shut up.

Thanks,
Rich


You clarified that very well Rich!

One thing I noticed about these brushes, the cheap
junk ones
have 'wavy' wires whereas the 'good ones' have
straight wires!
The cheap ones permanently bend the wires with no
effort at all
and the good ones take a whole lot of use and stay
straight.
I'll glady pay $3 ea. vs 79 cents ! You get what
you pay for.
phil k.

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Jan 16, 10:47 am, Lewis Hartswick wrote:
Jim Wilkins wrote:

Physics and chemistry in general are very difficult to
explain to non-scientists.
jsw
I would put a lot closer to "impossible". :-)
...lew...

I'm still trying to learn clear and concise technical writing. Should
I give up?

jsw
No. Not at all if your writing for the appropriate people. Just
don't try to do it for the "masses". :-)
...lew...

On Jan 17, 11:07*am, Lewis Hartswick wrote:
....

I'm still trying to learn clear and concise technical writing. Should
I give up?

jsw

No. Not at all if your writing for the appropriate people. Just
don't try to do it for the "masses". :-)
* * ...lew...

That bad? Here I assume a more knowledgeable audience than in some
other groups.

My goal is to write clear test procedures and equipment manuals.

jsw

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:13:39 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins
wrote:

On Jan 17, 11:07*am, Lewis Hartswick wrote:
....

I'm still trying to learn clear and concise technical writing. Should
I give up?

jsw

No. Not at all if your writing for the appropriate people. Just
don't try to do it for the "masses". :-)
* * ...lew...

That bad? Here I assume a more knowledgeable audience than in some
other groups.

My goal is to write clear test procedures and equipment manuals.

Keep striving, Jim. Yours is a very important goal, IMHO.
It'll come...if you let it.

--
Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air...
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Larry Jaques wrote:

The ultimate result of shielding men from the
effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.
--Herbert Spencer

In engineering, there's a corollary to this: it's very difficult to
design a fool-proof product, because they keep coming up with better
fools.

Thanks!
Rich

John R. Carroll wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:
John R. Carroll wrote:
guns. That's a lot of health care alone and if it isn't enough of a
reason to deal with the issue, nothing is.

The solution to the "health care" thing is quit robbing the taxpayers
to pay the bills of the negligent and stupid, IOW, just lose the
socialism.

What you are suggesting would be pretty straight forward.
Just pass a law allowing health care providers (ie. hospitals and such) to
deny care when patients presented in the absence of proof of financial
responsibility.
As of today, the law is just the opposite.
Were that not the case, Gunner would not have been treated.
Can you be satisfied with the consequences?

Well, I'd go ahead and patch the victims up well enough to survive,
but then send them the bill. And keep dogging them - heck, let them
pay five bucks a week until it's paid!

But that's too much like the Free Market, which is anathema to the
Obammunists.

Thanks,
Rich

On 1/15/2011 11:28 PM, Rich Grise wrote:
Pete Snell wrote:
And you can also see how
important ozone is to keep us from frying in UV.

Gack! Ozone-hole-ism again already?

Ozone is the RESULT of UV being "blocked" by O2. A UV photon dissociates an
O2 molecule into two O atoms, which grab onto the nearest molecule, like
O2, which PRODUCES O3.

O3 isn't what "blocks UV" - O3 is the result of the UV being blocked by
plain ol' ordinary everyday oxygen.

But the teaching of actual science, or practically any facts at all,
went out the window when the unions took over the schools and turned
them into propaganda mills that teach nothing but "Self-Esteem" -
"Duh, I dunno how to add two and two, but I feel real good about myself,
yup, yup, yup, yup!"

Thanks,
Rich



Let me guess. You were the product of those pubic schools, weren't you?
If that's the case, you're claiming that when you went public school was
great, look at you for an example. But now they're crap. I have to tell
you anyone hearing a claim like that thinks you're full of it.

Hawke

On 1/16/2011 12:49 PM, anorton wrote:

Rich,
Not really correct.
Ozone is formed from O2 by very short UV wavelengths less than 240 nm
(as well as electrical arcs). Once formed it can then absorb wavelengths
up to 290nm or so

But the teaching of actual science, or practically any facts at all,
went out the window when the unions took over the schools and turned
them into propaganda mills that teach nothing but "Self-Esteem" -
"Duh, I dunno how to add two and two, but I feel real good about myself,
yup, yup, yup, yup!"

Thanks,
Rich

I agree, there are an awful lot of people here who have a lack of
knowledge and no shortage of self-esteem.


That's because they're all men. Everyone thinks their opinion is as good
as anyone else's. But we all know that's baloney.

Hawke

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
Tom Gardner wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:38:32 -0800, "John R. Carroll"

Arguing about Global warming is just stupid but arguing about gun
control
laws at the federal level is nearly as dumb.
100,000 American are either killed or wounded every year by rifles and
hand
guns.

Of course you can provide clear cites for that bogus claim, right?

We will all be waiting with interest for them.

Just how many Americans are killed or injured in car accidents? Time to
ban
ALL vehicles! Swimming pools, doctors' mistakes, bagel knives, turkey
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
fryers, all sports, power and hand tools, high heels, etc.....

Isn't banning doctor mistakes one of the "money-saving" planks on the
Obamacare manifesto? :-

Thanks,
Rich


It sounds like they are just banning doctors...or at least banning doctors'
pay checks.
(Just die, you'll further ALL the liberal schemes)

"Phil Kangas" wrote in message
...

"Tom Gardner" gertk@lhu wrote in message
...

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
Tom Gardner wrote:
"Phil Kangas" wrote in message
"Tom Gardner" ihfd@lhu wrote in message
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message

Catastrophe: Chinese wire brushes
Cause: Global Warming

They import and sell a product cheaper than I can buy the uncut wire.
But, the Chinese government supports their businesses. 90% of the
stuff
I sell I didn't make 10 years ago. And, I have to be constantly
producing
new products to stay ahead of them. I bet China is laughing their
asses
off about GW!

Those small 'toothbrush' stainless steel brushes the chinese
are selling are total garbage! Even the ones made in Mexico
are a quantum leap ahead of the chinacrap ones. I say the
chinacrap brushes are FDA certified safe for unsupervised
use by young children! heh heh ... ;)) phil k.

There are four Chinese manufacturers of those 3x7 row SS
"toothbrushes".
One of them really does make a good product, the other three make
exactly
what they are contracted to make. The Chinese make what ever the
customer
wants, often the customer wants crap.

Probably more likely the customer wants cheap, and can't tell crap from
a
hole in the ground

But you already knew that; I should shut up.

Thanks,
Rich


You clarified that very well Rich!

One thing I noticed about these brushes, the cheap junk ones
have 'wavy' wires whereas the 'good ones' have straight wires!
The cheap ones permanently bend the wires with no effort at all
and the good ones take a whole lot of use and stay straight.
I'll glady pay $3 ea. vs 79 cents ! You get what you pay for.
phil k.



It's very hard to find domestic wire brushes, probably only at good welding
supply shops.

John R. Carroll wrote:

The free market isn't what you are advocating Rich.
You want to tell health care providers what they are going to do and how
they will be paid.
We already have that.

You seem to have entirely misunderstood what I've said.

If some hospital wants to do heroic medical care, let them.

But it's just plain wrong to confiscate my hard-earned dollars, which are
scarce enough as it is, to pay other people's bills.

Is that too hard a concept for you to grasp?

Thanks
Rich

Jim Wilkins wrote:

On Jan 17, 11:07 am, Lewis Hartswick wrote:
....

I'm still trying to learn clear and concise technical writing. Should
I give up?

jsw

No. Not at all if your writing for the appropriate people. Just
don't try to do it for the "masses". :-)
...lew...

That bad? Here I assume a more knowledgeable audience than in some
other groups.

My goal is to write clear test procedures and equipment manuals.


Jim, when I was writing test procedures I would have a tech who
wasn't familiar with the item do the tests, and see if they had any
problems.


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

John R. Carroll wrote:

I'm actually good with that. Let them help themselves - right?

Exactly. You sure did use a lot of words to get here.

I was just worried that you believe that it's OK to steal from the
responsible to support the irresponsible.

And it's DEFINITELY wrong to force people at gunpoint to spend their
hard-earned dollars on a product they neither want nor need.

Thanks,
Rich

On 1/16/2011 2:51 PM, Rich Grise wrote:
John R. Carroll wrote:
guns. That's a lot of health care alone and if it isn't enough of a reason
to deal with the issue, nothing is.

The solution to the "health care" thing is quit robbing the taxpayers to pay
the bills of the negligent and stupid, IOW, just lose the socialism.


But it's the "people" who want socialism. Who are you to tell them they
can't have what they want? I thought right wingers believed in following
the consent of the governed. Or is that just lip service?

Hawke

On 1/17/2011 3:20 PM, Rich Grise wrote:
John R. Carroll wrote:

The free market isn't what you are advocating Rich.
You want to tell health care providers what they are going to do and how
they will be paid.
We already have that.

You seem to have entirely misunderstood what I've said.

If some hospital wants to do heroic medical care, let them.

But it's just plain wrong to confiscate my hard-earned dollars, which are
scarce enough as it is, to pay other people's bills.

Is that too hard a concept for you to grasp?


What I don't get is why you have such a hard time understanding what it
means to be an American citizen and a part of a society. It's like this.
If you want to live here and receive the benefits our society provides
you have to kick in your fair share. You seem to think you're entitled
to all the benefits of being an American but get it for free. It doesn't
work that way. If we have a big war we may ask you to give up your life
or that of some of your family members. So why make a big fuss of it
when all the country requires from you is to pay your fair share so that
everyone gets a decent level of medical care? You're okay so ****
everyone else who isn't? It doesn't work that we here, son. It's a
privilege to be an American and you have to pay to keep it. I'd tell you
to go to some other country if you don't like it here but in all the
civilized countries in the world they all have nationalized health care
too. Looks like your out of luck unless you move to the turd world.

Hawke

On 1/17/2011 5:06 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

It was you Leftists that made sure EVERYONE gets treated properly, cash
or not.

Now you have a problem with that?

No, we don't. It was people like you who did. Your side fought against
providing proper care for everyone whether they could pay for it or not.
Your side held the view that you should take care of your own
obligations and shouldn't take advantage of a system you didn't pay your
share into. Now that you need it you think the opposite?


Or are you just ****ed that Im still alive?

What we're ****ed at is your hypocrisy. You're the guy who made all the
noise about how big a deal it was for everyone to provide for themselves
and how you didn't want or need the help of the government. In the old
days people would have died before they would have taken charity from
the government. Plenty of people did too. If you had any integrity you
would have refused to accept medical care that you knew you could never
pay for. If that meant you would die, then so be it. At least you would
have kept your word and your honor. But instead of being that kind of
person you acted just like a run of the mill wetback who just wanted to
take anything he could get even when he couldn't pay for it. Old timers
used to say if they couldn't pay for something themselves they didn't
want it. You acted like that was you. But when the chips were down you
did the opposite. You think anybody would have any respect for someone
like that?

Hawke

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Jan 17, 11:07 am, Lewis Hartswick wrote:
....

I'm still trying to learn clear and concise technical writing. Should
I give up?
jsw
No. Not at all if your writing for the appropriate people. Just
don't try to do it for the "masses". :-)
...lew...

That bad? Here I assume a more knowledgeable audience than in some
other groups.

My goal is to write clear test procedures and equipment manuals.

jsw
I know EXACTLY what that is all about. I had to sit down with
the tec writers and try to get them to put on paper the details
to enable GIs to keep some pretty complicated electronics
working at specified performance. :-) This was in the 50s to
the 70s. But we did a pretty good job of it. Those for whom
the manuals were aimed at were supposedly graduated from at
least basic electronics classes in military schools.
...lew...

Lewis Hartswick wrote:
Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Jan 17, 11:07 am, Lewis Hartswick wrote:

I'm still trying to learn clear and concise technical writing. Should
I give up?
jsw
No. Not at all if your writing for the appropriate people. Just
don't try to do it for the "masses". :-)

That bad? Here I assume a more knowledgeable audience than in some
other groups.

My goal is to write clear test procedures and equipment manuals.

I know EXACTLY what that is all about. I had to sit down with
the tec writers and try to get them to put on paper the details
to enable GIs to keep some pretty complicated electronics
working at specified performance. :-) This was in the 50s to
the 70s. But we did a pretty good job of it. Those for whom
the manuals were aimed at were supposedly graduated from at
least basic electronics classes in military schools.

Well, somebody must have done something right. I was a tech in the
USAF for eight years (1968 - 1976), doing avionics repair, and their
tech documents were _awesome_.

Thanks!
Rich

On Jan 17, 10:41*pm, Hawke wrote:


But it's the "people" who want socialism. Who are you to tell them they
can't have what they want? I thought right wingers believed in following
the consent of the governed. Or is that just lip service?

Hawke

I seem to recall we had an election recently, and the people did not
vote for socialism.

So do you really believe what you wrote, or was it just something to
post?

Dan

On Jan 18, 8:16*am, " wrote:
...
I seem to recall we had an election recently, and the people did not
vote for socialism.

So do you really believe what you wrote, or was it just something to
post?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Dan

Modern journalism: It's only "the people" if you agree, otherwise they
are an angry mob or special interest.

Rich Grise wrote:
Well, somebody must have done something right. I was a tech in the
USAF for eight years (1968 - 1976), doing avionics repair, and their
tech documents were _awesome_.

Thanks!
Rich

Did you ever work on or come across any Infrared line scan
equipment? We did a few for the AF but most was Army.
...lew...

Lewis Hartswick wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:
Well, somebody must have done something right. I was a tech in the
USAF for eight years (1968 - 1976), doing avionics repair, and their
tech documents were _awesome_.

Did you ever work on or come across any Infrared line scan
equipment? We did a few for the AF but most was Army.

Nah, the closest I ever came to infrared was when my next-door
neighbor in Nakhon Rachasima, Thailand was in Pave Spike, the
laser designator. He had a hand-held laser pointer, in the
early 1970's, and once when I was making out with my GF on the
couch, he was shining it through the window.

I almost shat! "What the ****, they've got red fireflies here?"
My hackles went up and everything.

When I realized the guy had a laser, I almost went next-door and
punched him! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

"John R. Carroll" wrote:

What you are suggesting would be pretty straight forward.
Just pass a law allowing health care providers (ie. hospitals and such) to
deny care when patients presented in the absence of proof of financial
responsibility.
As of today, the law is just the opposite.
Were that not the case, Gunner would not have been treated.


And if you were robbed, beaten, and left for dead the hospital would
refuse to treat you because you had no proff of coverage on you. You
would be just as dead as you wish for Gunner to be.


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

Tom Gardner wrote:

It's very hard to find domestic wire brushes, probably only at good welding
supply shops.


Or in weird places like Cleveland? ;-)


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote:

What you are suggesting would be pretty straight forward.
Just pass a law allowing health care providers (ie. hospitals and such)
to deny care when patients presented in the absence of proof of financial
responsibility.
As of today, the law is just the opposite.
Were that not the case, Gunner would not have been treated.

And if you were robbed, beaten, and left for dead the hospital would
refuse to treat you because you had no proff of coverage on you. You
would be just as dead as you wish for Gunner to be.

Of course, if you were properly armed and trained, then the dead one
would be the perp.

Cheers!
Rich

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:31:42 -0800, Rich Grise
wrote:

Lewis Hartswick wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:
Well, somebody must have done something right. I was a tech in the
USAF for eight years (1968 - 1976), doing avionics repair, and their
tech documents were _awesome_.

Did you ever work on or come across any Infrared line scan
equipment? We did a few for the AF but most was Army.

Nah, the closest I ever came to infrared was when my next-door
neighbor in Nakhon Rachasima, Thailand was in Pave Spike, the
laser designator. He had a hand-held laser pointer, in the
early 1970's, and once when I was making out with my GF on the
couch, he was shining it through the window.

I almost shat! "What the ****, they've got red fireflies here?"
My hackles went up and everything.

When I realized the guy had a laser, I almost went next-door and
punched him! ;-)

I'm surprised that you didn't point one back at him and then pull the
trigger in self defense.

--
Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air...
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:03:15 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


"John R. Carroll" wrote:

What you are suggesting would be pretty straight forward.
Just pass a law allowing health care providers (ie. hospitals and such) to
deny care when patients presented in the absence of proof of financial
responsibility.
As of today, the law is just the opposite.
Were that not the case, Gunner would not have been treated.


And if you were robbed, beaten, and left for dead the hospital would
refuse to treat you because you had no proff of coverage on you. You
would be just as dead as you wish for Gunner to be.

Ever notice how loudly the Left praises their health care agenda and
accomplishments, yet when it comes down to individuals they dont
like...they spit on their own beloved laws and curse them ferverently.

John really has moved over to the Dark Side, hasnt he?

Shrug

Gunner

--

"You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once."
Robert A. Heinlein

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:31:42 -0800, Rich Grise
Lewis Hartswick wrote:
Rich Grise wrote:
Well, somebody must have done something right. I was a tech in the
USAF for eight years (1968 - 1976), doing avionics repair, and their
tech documents were _awesome_.

Did you ever work on or come across any Infrared line scan
equipment? We did a few for the AF but most was Army.

Nah, the closest I ever came to infrared was when my next-door
neighbor in Nakhon Rachasima, Thailand was in Pave Spike, the
laser designator. He had a hand-held laser pointer, in the
early 1970's, and once when I was making out with my GF on the
couch, he was shining it through the window.

I almost shat! "What the ****, they've got red fireflies here?"
My hackles went up and everything.

When I realized the guy had a laser, I almost went next-door and
punched him! ;-)

I'm surprised that you didn't point one back at him and then pull the
trigger in self defense.

This was the early 1970's - personal lasers were almost unheard of at the
time. :-)

Cheers!
Rich

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:03:15 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


"John R. Carroll" wrote:

What you are suggesting would be pretty straight forward.
Just pass a law allowing health care providers (ie. hospitals and such) to
deny care when patients presented in the absence of proof of financial
responsibility.
As of today, the law is just the opposite.
Were that not the case, Gunner would not have been treated.


And if you were robbed, beaten, and left for dead the hospital would
refuse to treat you because you had no proff of coverage on you. You
would be just as dead as you wish for Gunner to be.

Ever notice how loudly the Left praises their health care agenda and
accomplishments, yet when it comes down to individuals they dont
like...they spit on their own beloved laws and curse them ferverently.

John really has moved over to the Dark Side, hasnt he?


More like the Dork side.


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

On 1/18/2011 5:16 AM, wrote:
On Jan 17, 10:41 pm, wrote:


But it's the "people" who want socialism. Who are you to tell them they
can't have what they want? I thought right wingers believed in following
the consent of the governed. Or is that just lip service?

Hawke

I seem to recall we had an election recently, and the people did not
vote for socialism.

So do you really believe what you wrote, or was it just something to
post?

Dan


You don't think one off year election is proof of what the people want
do you? Or even if it did what about now? Have the people changed their
minds since the election? Polls show that 46% of the public wants to
keep the health care bill and 45% want to repeal it. So then what does
the public want? It seems to me with the public split on the issue then
the people are sure not saying repeal the health care bill. Less than
half of them say that and that group is diminishing. The point is a lot
of the people are voting for socialism. At least for socialist programs.
So is there a difference?

The health care bill is just another "socialist" program. When Obama was
elected the majority wanted that. Medicare is a socialist system. So is
social security. Americans support of those socialist systems is
overwhelming. The fact is America is in truth at least some kind of
socialist country. There is a lot of non socialist areas too but in
general America has embraced a socialist philosophy to a great degree.
That's why I say Americans want socialism. They have had socialist
programs for decades and they like them very much. So we are already
socialists but a lot of people just are afraid to say so.

Hawke

Dorothy works a second job - just for Blue Cross for her and her daughters.
$800 a month. Now it's going up 60%?

That's $1200 a month...

All due respects, John, but that' ain't a viable solution.

On Jan 19, 9:14*pm, Hawke wrote:

You say the last election does not really count. And I say the
election before that does not count more than the last one.

You quote statistics that say about half of the people want to get rid
of the healthcare act and about half want to keep it. And then claim
the people want the socialized medicine. When clearly the people are
divided.

You need to take some courses on logic.

Dan

"John R. Carroll"
Like it or not, I can assure you that your
country couldn't care less about you, your
"service" or anything else.
Most of it anyway.

--
John R. Carroll

john r. carroll, YOU are a true JACKASS !!!!!
phil k.

On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:19:17 -0500, "Phil Kangas"
wrote:


"John R. Carroll"
Like it or not, I can assure you that your
country couldn't care less about you, your
"service" or anything else.
Most of it anyway.

--
John R. Carroll

john r. carroll, YOU are a true JACKASS !!!!!

Why don't you guys just filter the jerks like the rest of us have?
sigh

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Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air...
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Tom Gardner wrote:

It's very hard to find domestic wire brushes, probably only at good
welding
supply shops.


Or in weird places like Cleveland? ;-)



Nope, no local customers.
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You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.