On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:25:19 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Mon, 19 Jul 2010 07:18:27 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
But..its a DRY heat.
G

Ours is a dry heat. Yours is an arid, frackin' OVEN.

My friends and I used to head to Lake Havasu on Labor, Independence,
and Memorial Days. For the latter, it was always at least 120F, but
the thermometer on a bar wall said 139 one year. That was a dry Hell.
Ugh! To stay cool, we figured on one case of beer per day per person,
and as many dips in the Colorado River as possible.

On July 8th, I happily celebrated my 25th anniversary away from that
drunken life. And while I miss the boat 'n bikiniless babe trips, I
don't tolerate that kind of heat now nearly as well as I did. You (and
the Chemehuevi Indians) can have it, thanks.


The indians are all sitting in their air conditioned casinos racking in
the cash.

Im out welding. Shrug

Well, it's not like you're doing something like blacksmithing, or
casting bronze.

I really need to find some sort of Leathers that are mesh....might make
the sweat evaporate better.....


Knew a guy who was stationed in the So Pacific during the War. One
of those island, where it was hot all the time. But that was okay, he
worked inside. In the Bakery. Next to the ovens.
Came home to Portland Oregon, which was having a 'heat wave'. All
the way up into the 80's. People in their light weight summer suits &
dresses - him in his Peacoat because it was cold!

Then there is the story of Pt Barrow, Alaska. Where the heat wave
on summer sent the temps all the way to up 60 degrees. Everybody just
flaked out - way too hot to work. (Of course, in the winter it gets
to 40 below. "But it's a dry cold.")

tschus
pyotr

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:25:19 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

"John R. Carroll" on Mon, 19 Jul 2010
05:50:35 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
...
"John R. Carroll" on Sat, 17 Jul 2010
18:18:03 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
"Wes" wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote:
They are not, however, for the which unwashed poverty stricken masses
suits me just fine.

Elitist?

Just being honest Wes.
Nothing more.

People making $40K have no business whatever with a five thousand
dollar

Why?

Because it offends your sense of priority?

It isn't responsible behavior.

Right, it offends your sense of priority, that someone else should
purchase something you don't think they should have, due to their
socio-economic status. Gad, you remind me why sumptuary laws were
passed in the 13th Century - jealousy of those who can afford the same
things as the nobility.
Your assumption is that they must have gone out and spent the rent
money on a rifle. Maybe that is what you do, but you are not
necessarily typical. The idea that they might have saved up for it
just doesn't seem feasible to you, now does it? Anyone making less
than 40,000 dollars a year must be part of the "unwashed poverty
stricken masses", nicht wahr? So obviously, they would lack your
perception and ability to budget for a big ticket item.
Fnord, the one guy I know who has the big ticket rifle, spent his
bonus check on it. Now I'm sure you would rather he had spent it on
another car he doesn't need, or beer and smokes, or something else
more in what you consider "fitting" for a farmer, but then you really
don't like it when Those People(tm) act like they're your equal, eh
no?

Or because you feel that others should not spend their money in a
manner they see fit?
They can be as stupid as they see fit.

On this we both agree- -there is no law against people being
stupid. Or at least there used to not be any such laws.

Then, absent any savings or other support of their own, they can eat
their
weapons when they need food and hide under them when they need shelter.

More assumptions on your part, but do feel free to continue to
project your misunderstandings in public.

See below.


Do you feel that others should have the authority to say what you
should be doing with your money? Of course you do.

They already do a lot of that without my liking it.
Them's the rules.

And you approve. And want the reading public to approve when you
decide that others should not be allowed to have the freedom to make
"stupid" choices. Do you feel that having others decide for you
what you will purchase, or not purchase is a good thing, or not?

rifle and if the want to spend that much of their income on a gun, they
can spend the $3,500.00 it taqkes to do the rest of what's required and
$2,500.00 for an attorney to make it happen for them.

Putting 25 percent or more of a years salary is somethng you do to
provide
for a home, not a toy you'll never have a real use for.

I see. Once again, you are projecting your own predilections on
another, as well as your disapproval of their socioeconomic
demographic. And you don't like it when people make their own
choices as to what is important in their lives.

Do you feel the same way about luxury cars? High End Computers?
First edition baseball cards?

Who cares what you feel, anyway?

Ask John about his Corvette......G

Plural.
My entire point from the beginning was that you can buy just about anything
you want if you can afford the price.
You guys were all saying that this stuff justr wasn't avaliable.
It is and it's expensive and I'm not particularly offended that this is the
case.

In the absence of big piles of disposable income, there are weapons readily
at hand cheaply that will do the job.
What I'm concluding is that you and your pal don't care as much about
utility as you do showing off.


JC

Ignoramus21191 on Mon, 19 Jul
2010 12:18:22 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On 2010-07-19, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Do you mean an "education" like what one gets serving a tour in Iraq, or
do you mean "schooling" like what one gets after one pays Yale a
ludicrous amount of money?

Which one _usually_ results in a higher income at age 50?

I never studied at Yale, myself, but I would imagine that studying at
Yale gives one a lot of useful knowledge, and a lot of ways to be very
successful. I would not bash it gratuitously.

A tour in Iraq also gives one knowledge, which could be more or less
useful than Yale knowledge, depending on what one wants from life.

Fnord.

Harold MacMillain, former PM of Great Britain, said that when he
entered Oxford, the Dean told the new boys, that nothing much that
they would learn there, would be of much use to them in later life,
save this: that if they applied themselves, they might learn how to
detect when a man is talking rot. Which, Mr MacMillain observed, is
the true use of a university education.
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

cavelamb on Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:07:29 -0500
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
cavelamb on Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:03:36 -0500
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Ignoramus19697 on Sat, 17 Jul
2010 15:04:19 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On 2010-07-17, pyotr filipivich wrote:
And you have these? Or you think they ought to be legally
available.? Considering how two of my rifles cannot legally be owned
in California - and they are both semi-automatic knock offs - I doubt
that I can have a full up Avtomat Kalisnikov 47 ("Vhy Valtz ven you
can Rock e Rollski?" The gun that won Wars of Liberation allover the
world.) in California.
Full auto mode is grossly overrated and is almost completely
unnecessary.
So? Pretty much the same can be said about big boobed blonde
nymphomaniacs, but what has "necessity" have to do with "desire".

Point being, in Washington state, getting a Full Up AK-47 just
like Comrade Kalishnikov designed it. ain't going to happen. Not for
the private purchaser, that is.

And the fact remains, I cannot move to California with two of my
semi-automatic civilainized copies, because hysterical elites are
frightened by firearms which are all black.


tschus
pyotr


For Pete Sake! Paint it Hot Pink!
And don't forget the crocheted stock cover...


http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/10/19/hello-kitty-ak-47/

LOL. Years ago, I was at my brother's girlfriend's BD party. At
the BBQ, I was engaged in "fire suppression" - using a M-16 squirt gun
decorated in "Malibu Camo" - you know, the hot pink and florescent
green.

But this is just so precious!
http://www.glamguns.com/mylittleponycarbine.html

I think I'll get this for the almost a niece.


pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow.
"Its a simple procedure involving Lasers."


LOL! You got me back!

Check out the Baby Sitter kit! I like the "ammo chart". And
Sucking Chest Wound Care Bear!.

Too cute! "Sqweee!"



--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:49:08 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

cavelamb on Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:00:35 -0500
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
cavelamb on Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:23:27 -0500
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Ignoramus19697 wrote:
On 2010-07-17, pyotr filipivich wrote:
And you have these? Or you think they ought to be legally
available.? Considering how two of my rifles cannot legally be owned
in California - and they are both semi-automatic knock offs - I doubt
that I can have a full up Avtomat Kalisnikov 47 ("Vhy Valtz ven you
can Rock e Rollski?" The gun that won Wars of Liberation allover the
world.) in California.
Full auto mode is grossly overrated and is almost completely
unnecessary.

i
We agree on one there...

"Almost completely." =/= Never needed.

Shooting a free held gun from a helicopter (on a bungee - not a pole), yeah,
belt fed at 600 RPM works well.

6000 RPM seems to work well too (miniguns rule!)

But shooting on the ground, that's quite different.
Especially if you have to carry all the ammo you'll ever have...

And Running Out Sucks...

I've been told that use falls off as a proportion of the amount
remaining, vs the expectation of replacement. That is, nothing shoots
as much as a group of newbies who just got a full load out. But after
a while, when they're down to "half", everybody suddenly starts to
think about conserving ammo. I recall a story of a guy who got cut
off behind enemy lines. Low on ammo he did the hero bit getting back,
taking the enemy on "bare hand" - because he only had one round left.
OTOH, I recall the war story of the post exercise return of
ammunition, and the one soldier - ex Wehrmacht - turned in all but
three rounds, saying: "I only saw three targets."

All that said - aimed fire is better than "spray fire", but
sometimes, you just want them to keep their head down. It isn't the
one with your name on it you have to worry about, it is the one marked
"To Whom It May Concern".


Expertly said!

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:51:34 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

cavelamb on Mon, 19 Jul 2010 00:03:36 -0500
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Ignoramus19697 on Sat, 17 Jul
2010 15:04:19 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On 2010-07-17, pyotr filipivich wrote:
And you have these? Or you think they ought to be legally
available.? Considering how two of my rifles cannot legally be owned
in California - and they are both semi-automatic knock offs - I doubt
that I can have a full up Avtomat Kalisnikov 47 ("Vhy Valtz ven you
can Rock e Rollski?" The gun that won Wars of Liberation allover the
world.) in California.
Full auto mode is grossly overrated and is almost completely
unnecessary.

So? Pretty much the same can be said about big boobed blonde
nymphomaniacs, but what has "necessity" have to do with "desire".

Point being, in Washington state, getting a Full Up AK-47 just
like Comrade Kalishnikov designed it. ain't going to happen. Not for
the private purchaser, that is.

And the fact remains, I cannot move to California with two of my
semi-automatic civilainized copies, because hysterical elites are
frightened by firearms which are all black.


tschus
pyotr



For Pete Sake! Paint it Hot Pink!
And don't forget the crocheted stock cover...


http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/10/19/hello-kitty-ak-47/

LOL. Years ago, I was at my brother's girlfriend's BD party. At
the BBQ, I was engaged in "fire suppression" - using a M-16 squirt gun
decorated in "Malibu Camo" - you know, the hot pink and florescent
green.

But this is just so precious!
http://www.glamguns.com/mylittleponycarbine.html

I think I'll get this for the almost a niece.


My wife wants to order a six pack of these for the yards

http://www.glamguns.com/martha.jpg


pyotr filipivich
Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow.
"Its a simple procedure involving Lasers."

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:50:10 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:25:19 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

"John R. Carroll" on Mon, 19 Jul 2010
05:50:35 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
m...
"John R. Carroll" on Sat, 17 Jul 2010
18:18:03 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
"Wes" wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote:
They are not, however, for the which unwashed poverty stricken masses
suits me just fine.

Elitist?

Just being honest Wes.
Nothing more.

People making $40K have no business whatever with a five thousand
dollar

Why?

Because it offends your sense of priority?

It isn't responsible behavior.

Right, it offends your sense of priority, that someone else should
purchase something you don't think they should have, due to their
socio-economic status. Gad, you remind me why sumptuary laws were
passed in the 13th Century - jealousy of those who can afford the same
things as the nobility.
Your assumption is that they must have gone out and spent the rent
money on a rifle. Maybe that is what you do, but you are not
necessarily typical. The idea that they might have saved up for it
just doesn't seem feasible to you, now does it? Anyone making less
than 40,000 dollars a year must be part of the "unwashed poverty
stricken masses", nicht wahr? So obviously, they would lack your
perception and ability to budget for a big ticket item.
Fnord, the one guy I know who has the big ticket rifle, spent his
bonus check on it. Now I'm sure you would rather he had spent it on
another car he doesn't need, or beer and smokes, or something else
more in what you consider "fitting" for a farmer, but then you really
don't like it when Those People(tm) act like they're your equal, eh
no?

Or because you feel that others should not spend their money in a
manner they see fit?
They can be as stupid as they see fit.

On this we both agree- -there is no law against people being
stupid. Or at least there used to not be any such laws.

Then, absent any savings or other support of their own, they can eat
their
weapons when they need food and hide under them when they need shelter.

More assumptions on your part, but do feel free to continue to
project your misunderstandings in public.

See below.


Do you feel that others should have the authority to say what you
should be doing with your money? Of course you do.

They already do a lot of that without my liking it.
Them's the rules.

And you approve. And want the reading public to approve when you
decide that others should not be allowed to have the freedom to make
"stupid" choices. Do you feel that having others decide for you
what you will purchase, or not purchase is a good thing, or not?

rifle and if the want to spend that much of their income on a gun, they
can spend the $3,500.00 it taqkes to do the rest of what's required and
$2,500.00 for an attorney to make it happen for them.

Putting 25 percent or more of a years salary is somethng you do to
provide
for a home, not a toy you'll never have a real use for.

I see. Once again, you are projecting your own predilections on
another, as well as your disapproval of their socioeconomic
demographic. And you don't like it when people make their own
choices as to what is important in their lives.

Do you feel the same way about luxury cars? High End Computers?
First edition baseball cards?

Who cares what you feel, anyway?

Ask John about his Corvette......G

Plural.
My entire point from the beginning was that you can buy just about anything
you want if you can afford the price.
You guys were all saying that this stuff justr wasn't avaliable.
It is and it's expensive and I'm not particularly offended that this is the
case.

In the absence of big piles of disposable income, there are weapons readily
at hand cheaply that will do the job.
What I'm concluding is that you and your pal don't care as much about
utility as you do showing off.


JC

Moi? Showing off? Where? Be specific. Use as much white space as you
need.

There are hummm..3 pic..no ..5 pictures of me holding a weapon in the
internet...and in only one of them is my face exposed. And hardly is
that photo any sort of "exiteing thingy". Its simply a portrate.

So if I was trying to "show off"..there would be far far more pictures
of me holding a larger variety of weapons.

Now about those Corvetts you own? Wasnt there some better place to have
put that money? Best Buy stocks? Donate it to Our Lady of Unfettered
Crumpets?

Geeze John..you really shouldnt have bought those. Just spending money
so you can get a woodie...tsk tsk tsk


Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:50:10 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


Now about those Corvetts you own? Wasnt there some better place to have
put that money? Best Buy stocks? Donate it to Our Lady of Unfettered
Crumpets?

Probably not.


Geeze John..you really shouldnt have bought those. Just spending money
so you can get a woodie...tsk tsk tsk

I didn't pay over $3,500.00 for any of them Mark and made every purchase
with cash.
The per mile cost of operation is a fraction of what anyone pays that has a
new Camry.
Let me know how many of your guns were worth three times what you paid in
less than a year.

JC

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:36:19 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:49:46 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Ignoramus12838" wrote in message
...
On 2010-07-16, Bob La Londe wrote:
Maybe this will help.

http://www.cncguns.com/

Wow, this is just outright awesome.

i

I've been threatening to make a few 15 and 10 uppers, all my shop guys
want
one. But, I only have one Bridgeport and it's stuffed with "Real" work.
Starting from a billet or an 80% is only a time difference. The biggest
thing that keeps giving me pause is I have no real use for one that my
Mini-14s can't do.

The thing that a decent AR can do that the Mini 14 cant do..is shoot a
group smaller than 3-5" at 100 meters. Or bigger.

Ive got a rare Mini-14..one that will shoot 5 in a 2" group at 100


I talked with a couple people and learned something about Mini-14s a few
years ago. You can get a lot better groups than you think... if you take
about 20 minutes between shots (more on a hot day). Now for the guy who
wants to go out to the range and blaze away that's pretty much useless
information. However, for a hunter who got sold a bill of goods and now
can't
afford a good rifle that can be very useful information. It only takes
one
or two shots to make a kill. Successful kills are usually with the first
shot.

One of the big problems with the Mini is the way its all bound up and
sandwiched together. The barrel gets all twisted out of shape as it heats
up. Rubbing against wood and plastic are part of it, but also how
concentric the bore is to the outside, and even maybe inconsistencies in
heat treating. If you shoot two or three rounds out of it in a minute the
barrel will be start to get hotter and it will start to twist. If you let
it cool for 15 to 20 minutes between shots it will have the same barrel
distortion for every shot.

Now mini's are not tack drivers under the best of conditions, but with
some
care and patience you can use them to consistently drop coyotes out to
about
150 yards. The round itself will drop them a lot further out, but even
dialed in I wouldn't trust the gun to make consistent center of mass shots
much further out that that and I hate to let an injured animal run away.

I didn't learn any of this stuff about minis until long after I unloaded
mine for not much more than scrap prices, because that's all I thought of
it. I swapped it for a computer hard drive.



Im in the process of assembling the raw materials to make one of
these...

http://www.har-bar.com/whatistheharbar.html

And yes..one shot accuracy can be decent..but I didnt buy a miniture
copy of the M14/M1A to be a single shot.

I know that, and neither did anybody else who bought one. Its just
sometimes you have to make the best of what you have. Heck for 100 yards
I'll take my little .22 magnum H&R break single over a Mini 14 if I have to
shoot more than once. Atleast I know I'll hit where I am shooting. Better
yet, my dad's .22 magnum H&R (pre Remington) semi auto. Now that thing is a
tack driver within its range. And cheap to shoot too. One of these days I'm
going to have to figure out how to talk him out of that rifle.

I've got a ****load of bolt
action repeaters and a number of actual single shots for that. The 30
round magazine might be the tip off....G

What? The Kalifornia Gun Gestapo haven't collected that high cap magazine
from you yet? You must live in Free Republic of NORTHERN Kalifornia.

Then there is the story of Pt Barrow, Alaska. Where the heat wave
on summer sent the temps all the way to up 60 degrees. Everybody just
flaked out - way too hot to work. (Of course, in the winter it gets
to 40 below. "But it's a dry cold.")

tschus
pyotr


Long ago, a friend of mine was in the AF, IIRC, and was stationed at
Amchitka at one of those radar dome things. He was new there, and one time
he commented to an Eskimo, "Sure is cold." The Eskimo didn't skip a beat,
"Yeah, and winter's coming."

"Gunner Asch" wrote

I really need to find some sort of Leathers that are mesh....might make
the sweat evaporate better.....

I wet my Wrangler shirts, and put ICE water on my cotton welding caps. It
helps. A little.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

"Steve B" on Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:22:55
-0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Then there is the story of Pt Barrow, Alaska. Where the heat wave
on summer sent the temps all the way to up 60 degrees. Everybody just
flaked out - way too hot to work. (Of course, in the winter it gets
to 40 below. "But it's a dry cold.")

tschus
pyotr


Long ago, a friend of mine was in the AF, IIRC, and was stationed at
Amchitka at one of those radar dome things. He was new there, and one time
he commented to an Eskimo, "Sure is cold." The Eskimo didn't skip a beat,
"Yeah, and winter's coming."

"Forty below keeps the riff raff out. Or at least indoors", said
my brother of his time in Minnesocold.

pyotr



--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 19:27:52 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:50:10 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


Now about those Corvetts you own? Wasnt there some better place to have
put that money? Best Buy stocks? Donate it to Our Lady of Unfettered
Crumpets?

Probably not.

Probably not? Thats such a pathetic disclaimer...


Geeze John..you really shouldnt have bought those. Just spending money
so you can get a woodie...tsk tsk tsk

I didn't pay over $3,500.00 for any of them Mark and made every purchase
with cash.

Yes...and?

The per mile cost of operation is a fraction of what anyone pays that has a
new Camry.
Let me know how many of your guns were worth three times what you paid in
less than a year.

11 of them.

G

Gunner


JC


One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:35:33 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:36:19 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:49:46 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Ignoramus12838" wrote in message
...
On 2010-07-16, Bob La Londe wrote:
Maybe this will help.

http://www.cncguns.com/

Wow, this is just outright awesome.

i

I've been threatening to make a few 15 and 10 uppers, all my shop guys
want
one. But, I only have one Bridgeport and it's stuffed with "Real" work.
Starting from a billet or an 80% is only a time difference. The biggest
thing that keeps giving me pause is I have no real use for one that my
Mini-14s can't do.

The thing that a decent AR can do that the Mini 14 cant do..is shoot a
group smaller than 3-5" at 100 meters. Or bigger.

Ive got a rare Mini-14..one that will shoot 5 in a 2" group at 100


I talked with a couple people and learned something about Mini-14s a few
years ago. You can get a lot better groups than you think... if you take
about 20 minutes between shots (more on a hot day). Now for the guy who
wants to go out to the range and blaze away that's pretty much useless
information. However, for a hunter who got sold a bill of goods and now
can't
afford a good rifle that can be very useful information. It only takes
one
or two shots to make a kill. Successful kills are usually with the first
shot.

One of the big problems with the Mini is the way its all bound up and
sandwiched together. The barrel gets all twisted out of shape as it heats
up. Rubbing against wood and plastic are part of it, but also how
concentric the bore is to the outside, and even maybe inconsistencies in
heat treating. If you shoot two or three rounds out of it in a minute the
barrel will be start to get hotter and it will start to twist. If you let
it cool for 15 to 20 minutes between shots it will have the same barrel
distortion for every shot.

Now mini's are not tack drivers under the best of conditions, but with
some
care and patience you can use them to consistently drop coyotes out to
about
150 yards. The round itself will drop them a lot further out, but even
dialed in I wouldn't trust the gun to make consistent center of mass shots
much further out that that and I hate to let an injured animal run away.

I didn't learn any of this stuff about minis until long after I unloaded
mine for not much more than scrap prices, because that's all I thought of
it. I swapped it for a computer hard drive.



Im in the process of assembling the raw materials to make one of
these...

http://www.har-bar.com/whatistheharbar.html

And yes..one shot accuracy can be decent..but I didnt buy a miniture
copy of the M14/M1A to be a single shot.

I know that, and neither did anybody else who bought one. Its just
sometimes you have to make the best of what you have. Heck for 100 yards
I'll take my little .22 magnum H&R break single over a Mini 14 if I have to
shoot more than once. Atleast I know I'll hit where I am shooting. Better
yet, my dad's .22 magnum H&R (pre Remington) semi auto. Now that thing is a
tack driver within its range. And cheap to shoot too. One of these days I'm
going to have to figure out how to talk him out of that rifle.

I've got a ****load of bolt
action repeaters and a number of actual single shots for that. The 30
round magazine might be the tip off....G

What? The Kalifornia Gun Gestapo haven't collected that high cap magazine
from you yet? You must live in Free Republic of NORTHERN Kalifornia.

Nah..all are clearly marked PreBan..G

And I live in the clearly Red..Central Valley Free Republic.

Gunner







One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:25:10 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote

I really need to find some sort of Leathers that are mesh....might make
the sweat evaporate better.....

I wet my Wrangler shirts, and put ICE water on my cotton welding caps. It
helps. A little.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

Ive got a few of those neck wraps which really help.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/22...Band_cold.html

They help..though are not The Answer.

Ive got some big wall mounted fans over in the welding area..but when
tigging....I have to shut them off..as they blow the shielding gas away
from the arc....sigh


Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:25:10 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote the following:


"Gunner Asch" wrote

I really need to find some sort of Leathers that are mesh....might make
the sweat evaporate better.....

I wet my Wrangler shirts, and put ICE water on my cotton welding caps. It
helps. A little.

I broke out my sweatkerchief the other day when I needed to work in
90+ temps. It's a hanky filled with water absorbing crystals which
you wrap around your neck after soaking for a day. The water pulls the
heat from your neck and cools your entire body as it evaporates.

Highly recommended and very inexpensive (for us che^H^H^Hfrugal SOBs.)

item http://fwd4.me/Xft , MSC Big Book page http://fwd4.me/Xfv

--
Exercise ferments the humors, casts them into their proper channels,
throws off redundancies, and helps nature in those secret distributions,
without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the soul act
with cheerfulness. -- Joseph Addison, The Spectator, July 12, 1711

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 04:28:28 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote the following:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:25:10 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote

I really need to find some sort of Leathers that are mesh....might make
the sweat evaporate better.....

I wet my Wrangler shirts, and put ICE water on my cotton welding caps. It
helps. A little.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

Ive got a few of those neck wraps which really help.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/22...Band_cold.html

They help..though are not The Answer.

How about one of the vests on the Big Book page I listed? No doubt
worth the $50 they cost if they can keep you cool under a welding
jacket.


Ive got some big wall mounted fans over in the welding area..but when
tigging....I have to shut them off..as they blow the shielding gas away
from the arc....sigh

So invent a new welding gun whose tip creates an oxy-free zone a
couple inches in diameter around itself while you weld. You'll be
rich!

--
Exercise ferments the humors, casts them into their proper channels,
throws off redundancies, and helps nature in those secret distributions,
without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the soul act
with cheerfulness. -- Joseph Addison, The Spectator, July 12, 1711

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 06:20:49 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:25:10 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote the following:


"Gunner Asch" wrote

I really need to find some sort of Leathers that are mesh....might make
the sweat evaporate better.....

I wet my Wrangler shirts, and put ICE water on my cotton welding caps. It
helps. A little.

I broke out my sweatkerchief the other day when I needed to work in
90+ temps. It's a hanky filled with water absorbing crystals which
you wrap around your neck after soaking for a day. The water pulls the
heat from your neck and cools your entire body as it evaporates.

Highly recommended and very inexpensive (for us che^H^H^Hfrugal SOBs.)

item http://fwd4.me/Xft , MSC Big Book page http://fwd4.me/Xfv


Ayup..really really helps!

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 06:24:50 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:


http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/22...Band_cold.html

They help..though are not The Answer.

How about one of the vests on the Big Book page I listed? No doubt
worth the $50 they cost if they can keep you cool under a welding
jacket.


Ive got some big wall mounted fans over in the welding area..but when
tigging....I have to shut them off..as they blow the shielding gas away
from the arc....sigh

So invent a new welding gun whose tip creates an oxy-free zone a
couple inches in diameter around itself while you weld. You'll be
rich!

--
Vacuum Gun! Thats the ticket!!

Errr...thats gonna be rather interesting...but Ill ponder on it for a
while before starting....


Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

Ignoramus21191 on Mon, 19 Jul
2010 09:57:42 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Guns as investments? What next, designer handbags as investments?
Counting time in a whorehouse as an investment? "I just invested in a
great blowjob"
Would you rather have a great blow job, or a mediocre one? Sheesh,
some people just have no appreciation for quality customer service.

Yes, guns go up and down in price, sometimes, but that does not make
them "investments".

Yes, guns as an investment. Not necessarily because the price
will go up, but because by buying "quality" one spends less over time.
If one buys and wears one pair of shoes, they will last approximately
a year. If you buy two pairs, and alternate, they will last
approximately three years.
I've a friend who buys cheap knives all the time. Why? Because
he loses them. "But he only paid a buck" - how many times? While I,
who am cheap, still have the same twenty dollar knife after all these
years. Now, who has spent^H^H^H^Hinvested his money wisely?
Do you buy the cheapest tools for your metal working? Or do you
demand quality tools in order to make a quality product? (Yes I know,
"the bad workman blames his tools", and in the hands of a master even
crappy tools can perform. But quality tools in the hands of a master
produce things of beauty.)

The fact that someone may be willing to pay more for a rifle I
bought is gravy. The fact that I can hit my target 9 out of 10 times
with it, is what matters to me; be it war surplus mauser, or custom
crafted Holland & Holland.

So, yes, "invest"in your firearms. Or be willing to accept
mediocre
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Spehro Pefhany on Mon, 19 Jul 2010
11:49:57 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:02:07 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

On 7/19/2010 10:31 AM, John R. Carroll wrote:
"Gunner wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 05:50:35 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

Because it offends your sense of priority?

It isn't responsible behavior.

Your opinion is noted with amused contempt.

I find it extremely interesting that you could hold anyone but yourself in
contempt Gunner.
How's your "great cull" coming along?


So you dont believe the gentleman should be investing.

What I believe is that until the risk that a person will end up broke and on
the dole the way you are approaches zero that person has better things to
spend money on than an expensive weapon that doesn't have much more utility
than something affordable.

A better investment would be an education.
That will do more to increase a persons chances of survival than any other
single thing.

Do you mean an "education" like what one gets serving a tour in Iraq, or
do you mean "schooling" like what one gets after one pays Yale a
ludicrous amount of money?

Which one _usually_ results in a higher income at age 50?

for the mean, or for the outliers?


tschus
pyotr

--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Gunner Asch on Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:24:51 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

For Pete Sake! Paint it Hot Pink!
And don't forget the crocheted stock cover...


http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/10/19/hello-kitty-ak-47/

LOL. Years ago, I was at my brother's girlfriend's BD party. At
the BBQ, I was engaged in "fire suppression" - using a M-16 squirt gun
decorated in "Malibu Camo" - you know, the hot pink and florescent
green.

But this is just so precious!
http://www.glamguns.com/mylittleponycarbine.html

I think I'll get this for the almost a niece.


My wife wants to order a six pack of these for the yards

http://www.glamguns.com/martha.jpg

Don't forget the Pink Flamingos!

Use them to mark the locations and you don't have to worry about
hitting one with the lawnmower.
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

How about gore undergarments - e.g. auto wicking cloth.

Martin - hot here - it was 78 at 79%RH here the other morning and
it is hard to live in. Sun gets over the trees and temp rises to 90's
and RH drops to 3-5%.

The bad days here are when the temp goes high and so does the RH.

Dew is very heavy and Fog. Burns off by 8am and then look out.

Martin

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Originator & Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/

On 7/19/2010 5:11 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:25:19 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner on Mon, 19 Jul 2010 07:18:27 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
But..its a DRY heat.
G

Ours is a dry heat. Yours is an arid, frackin' OVEN.

My friends and I used to head to Lake Havasu on Labor, Independence,
and Memorial Days. For the latter, it was always at least 120F, but
the thermometer on a bar wall said 139 one year. That was a dry Hell.
Ugh! To stay cool, we figured on one case of beer per day per person,
and as many dips in the Colorado River as possible.

On July 8th, I happily celebrated my 25th anniversary away from that
drunken life. And while I miss the boat 'n bikiniless babe trips, I
don't tolerate that kind of heat now nearly as well as I did. You (and
the Chemehuevi Indians) can have it, thanks.


The indians are all sitting in their air conditioned casinos racking in
the cash.

Im out welding. Shrug

Well, it's not like you're doing something like blacksmithing, or
casting bronze.

I really need to find some sort of Leathers that are mesh....might make
the sweat evaporate better.....


Knew a guy who was stationed in the So Pacific during the War. One
of those island, where it was hot all the time. But that was okay, he
worked inside. In the Bakery. Next to the ovens.
Came home to Portland Oregon, which was having a 'heat wave'. All
the way up into the 80's. People in their light weight summer suits&
dresses - him in his Peacoat because it wascold!

Then there is the story of Pt Barrow, Alaska. Where the heat wave
on summer sent the temps all the way to up 60 degrees. Everybody just
flaked out - way too hot to work. (Of course, in the winter it gets
to 40 below. "But it's a dry cold.")

tschus
pyotr

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch