"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
...


This is a bit of a joke. John cut and pasted one of my old messages.
I'm curious to see if it gets a different reaction when his name is
on it. d8-)

So far, Tom's just changed hobby horses G
First it was taxes, now he's riding school boards and teachers.
I think my alternative is a lot closer to reality than either of those.
Cleveland, Cincinnati and Detroit are going to have to go through the same
evolution that Flint, Michigan has undertaken to heal themselves.

--
John R. Carroll




what evolution did flint go through to heal itself?

earlier tonight i went to a move on.org showing of michael moore's
"capitalism: a love story" at the library in new paltz ny. (this general
political discussion, and specifically your mention of flint made me want to
post a message about the movie party.)

http://pol.moveon.org/event/events/i...?action_id=206

i had tears in my eyes when he showed the workers in the 30's taking over
the gm plant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_Sit-Down_Strike

moore said FDR sent in the national guard, the story line in "capitalism: a
love story" kinda made you think FDR was going to send in troops to crack
heads and break the strike but the movie said FDR posted troops with the
machine guns pointing AT THE LOCAL COPS to protect the workers' right to
strike from the COPS! made me cry, so proud to be an american, so proud of
a government that would put the interests of it's middle class workers
first.

oh! and damnedest thing happened! michael moore himself(!) phoned in, in
the MIDDLE OF THE MOVIE and addressed us (approximately 70 patriots) on the
organizer's cell phone (turned up as loud as possible) and took questions
from the audience! it was absolutely incredible!

b.w.

William Wixon wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
...


This is a bit of a joke. John cut and pasted one of my old messages.
I'm curious to see if it gets a different reaction when his name is
on it. d8-)

So far, Tom's just changed hobby horses G
First it was taxes, now he's riding school boards and teachers.
I think my alternative is a lot closer to reality than either of
those. Cleveland, Cincinnati and Detroit are going to have to go
through the same evolution that Flint, Michigan has undertaken to
heal themselves.

--
John R. Carroll




what evolution did flint go through to heal itself?

It's a work in process but a good model for other city's in similar
straights.
Flint, where I was born, used to have a lot more people than they do today.
Industry and the people have departed but the city ended up stuck with as
large an area and infrastructure to support as had been in place during the
peak years. The city has mustered public and private resources in an attempt
to consolidate the population and business community into an area suitable
to tax revenues. For the same inflow of tax revenue, they will be able to
properly support what they need. The alternatives are urban blight or back
breaking taxes.

What is underway is transforming Flint into a decent place to live with
first raqte services.
They have a long way to go yet but the results to date are extremely
promising.


earlier tonight i went to a move on.org showing of michael moore's
"capitalism: a love story" at the library in new paltz ny. (this
general political discussion, and specifically your mention of flint
made me want to post a message about the movie party.)

http://pol.moveon.org/event/events/i...?action_id=206

i had tears in my eyes when he showed the workers in the 30's taking
over the gm plant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_Sit-Down_Strike

moore said FDR sent in the national guard, the story line in
"capitalism: a love story" kinda made you think FDR was going to send
in troops to crack heads and break the strike but the movie said FDR
posted troops with the machine guns pointing AT THE LOCAL COPS to
protect the workers' right to strike from the COPS! made me cry, so
proud to be an american, so proud of a government that would put the
interests of it's middle class workers first.

I know the history of the city and the labor movement well.



--
John R. Carroll

wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:29:47 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


So far, Tom's just changed hobby horses G
First it was taxes, now he's riding school boards and teachers.
I think my alternative is a lot closer to reality than either of
those. Cleveland, Cincinnati and Detroit are going to have to go
through the same evolution that Flint, Michigan has undertaken to
heal themselves.

Quite a while back he claimed that Obama had ruined all hope for his
biz.

I think what he said was that an Obama Presidency would be a disaster for
business in general.

But at the same time he said that he was turning down lucrative
offers to sell.

That wouldn't surprise me.
Unless there is an interest among his family in continuing,
he ought to just do it.

At other times he's bragged on his capable staff, but
now it turns out that they need training to read a tape measure.

Well, this is the internet you know.
LOL

He
also says that he pays well. We might expect good pay plus fire-sale
real estate prices to equal desperate workers with 175 IQs parachuting
in, so I guess there must not be any roads in Ohio or something.

Gunner won't be leaving California except in a cardboard box.
There is a posse just waiting to follow up and collect from such types.
The Franchise Tax Board, for instance, closely resembles the Gestapo.
They LOVE parsley.

And
let's not forget that he claims to be wealthy, confirming everybody's
long-held suspicion that the rich love to spend their golden years
training workers how to read tape measures, and bitching about how
great a tough life is. Or is it how tough his great life is? Anyway,
what a bunch of idiots who retire to warmer climates, eh? It seems
that Tom's true talent might be competing with John Ensign for most
illogical-excuses. I suggest that he contact Cleveland's sister city
of Taft, and ask them to ship him another experienced hand in order to
set up a tourist attraction like this one
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A791219. :-)


LMAO

--
John R. Carroll

John wrote:
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:16:44 -0700, Hawke
wrote:


Everything isn't roses in the U.S. that's for sure. But for the
first time in years at least we are starting to move in the right
direction again. We are now starting to make some of the big
changes that we need to make to improve. Addressing our health
care problems is a good first step. Do we have a long way to go to
get back to where we should be? That's a big affirmative. But
we're still a hell of a long way from Thailand.

Hawke

You are correct, however I'm not sure whether the big changes are
reality, or just window dressing. Is the new health plan really
going to do much for the average working guy?

If he is working he probably has some sort of health plan already,
doesn't he? Every company I have worked for here in Asia has had
medical coverage, of some sort. The cheapest bunch had a company
medic at every site and would pay for all on-the-job injuries.

I haven't read the bill but from hearsay it seems to be mainly day
laborers and the unemployed. who will benefit.

Then by your own admission you don't know very much about how the
health care bill is going to work. You see that the countries in
Asia have taken the step we just did but they did it years ago. The
question is if every other country has already taken the step why so
late for us? Here's why. Everyone knows that we were on an
unsustainable path with our system. The other countries saw the same
facts and made the changes to their systems they thought were
necessary. We finally did what we had to do but only minimally, and
not right away. Things aren't going to change much here for a number
of years but at least we're not still moving in the wrong direction.
The main thing we did was to take some power away from the insurance
companies. They will not be able to rip people off like they were
doing. All countries are in the process of changing from one kind of
health care system to a modern one. There are a lot of different
variations in different places and some are better than others. As
time passes they will change as we see which really work and which
aren't so efficient. The main thing is the over arching goal is now
the same for everyone, to provide taxpayer funded basic health care
for everyone. That was not a function of government for many years.
Now it is accepted by just about every country. With that goal in
mind everyone is now looking to reach the same goal but they will
have different methods for doing it. What will be interesting is to
see exactly what health care looks like around the world in ten
years, twenty years, and longer. I'm guessing it'll be a lot
different than what we are seeing today.

Hawke


You are correct, I don't know much about the health scheme, hell, I
don't know anything about it. Which is why I asked the question: "I'm
not sure whether the big changes are reality, or just window
dressing. Is the new health plan really going to do much for the
average working guy?"
(Note the question mark there on the end of the line)

But, if the government is really intent on overhauling the health
system in the U.S. why didn't they simply rule that the U.S.
government would pay all medical costs by a similar system to Social
Security? Real socialized medicine. I suggest that as a percent of GNP
it would be cheaper.

In a separate post someone mentioned a charity patient - went to the
hospital to have a baby. Room cost was $2,000-something a day.
Certainly this is excessive isn't it? I've staid in some pretty posh
hotels and never paid more then $900 a day, for a single room w/bath.

The government needs to do a survey to determine whether the medical
industry makes an unusually high profit and prosecute them if they do.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...a_fact_gawande

--
John R. Carroll

"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
...
Buerste wrote:
snip
No parenting skills. You can cast blame anywhere, and you do, but the
simple fact is that parents are the first and strongest role models for
their offspring. ****ty parents = low quality offspring.

I have a real hard time
getting new employees that can do simple math or read a tape measure.
We hold classes, on the clock, just to teach some necessary skills.
We also cover the families' medical and pay for children's and
grandchildren's school books through college if they hold a "B"
average. BUT, that's a fart in a windstorm. My costs get repaid
many-fold as my employees on the whole go above and beyond.

Yeah, what you are is a surrogate parent. I'd have thought that would be
obvious to you.
It isn't the kids or the schools that are defective or you wouldn't have
any
luck with these people either.
Ship the whole lot of them off for military service and they'd come back
useful men and women with a little self respect.
They would be teaching you something then and that would be that you'r
current blathering is just a bunch of uninformed and emotional BS.

--
John R. Carroll



Just like all the assholes that moved to California, lost all their
investments, collect cheese-checks, denounced God and **** each other in the
ass like good little Libtard Neo-Socialists? No thanks!

On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:15:56 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:29:47 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


So far, Tom's just changed hobby horses G
First it was taxes, now he's riding school boards and teachers.
I think my alternative is a lot closer to reality than either of
those. Cleveland, Cincinnati and Detroit are going to have to go
through the same evolution that Flint, Michigan has undertaken to
heal themselves.

Quite a while back he claimed that Obama had ruined all hope for his
biz.

I think what he said was that an Obama Presidency would be a disaster for
business in general.

But at the same time he said that he was turning down lucrative
offers to sell.

That wouldn't surprise me.

What wouldn't surprise me is an announcement that he's liquidating and
taking a job at Home Depot. He seems really bitter, which doesn't jibe
with having a single lucrative offer, much less several. Then again, I
accept that I don't quite understand folks like him. One that I know
has a near perfect life - everything paid for, good chunk of cash in
the bank, and little baggage. Yet he goes around ****ed at pretty much
everybody.

Unless there is an interest among his family in continuing,
he ought to just do it.

Naw, I think he should keep on, otherwise he'd have time to degenerate
further and might become a full time usenutter.

At other times he's bragged on his capable staff, but
now it turns out that they need training to read a tape measure.

Well, this is the internet you know.
LOL

He
also says that he pays well. We might expect good pay plus fire-sale
real estate prices to equal desperate workers with 175 IQs parachuting
in, so I guess there must not be any roads in Ohio or something.

Gunner won't be leaving California except in a cardboard box.
There is a posse just waiting to follow up and collect from such types.
The Franchise Tax Board, for instance, closely resembles the Gestapo.
They LOVE parsley.

They must be the only outfit that works slower than the great cullers.
:-) I'm thinkin' that the main reason gummer and tom didn't make a
deal is that they both know full well that it wouldn't last a month.
Gummer's true skill level would be evident in days, and tom would be
ready to explode not long after. I wish they'd give it a try though,
the stories would be glorious.... "gummer learns the hard way that
..780 isn't the same as 7/8ths", "tom faces mutiny when staff demands
that *everybody* get free unlimited mountain dew", "gummy needs a trip
to the emergency room and a week off after having his forehead impaled
by a chuck key... again".

And
let's not forget that he claims to be wealthy, confirming everybody's
long-held suspicion that the rich love to spend their golden years
training workers how to read tape measures, and bitching about how
great a tough life is. Or is it how tough his great life is? Anyway,
what a bunch of idiots who retire to warmer climates, eh? It seems
that Tom's true talent might be competing with John Ensign for most
illogical-excuses. I suggest that he contact Cleveland's sister city
of Taft, and ask them to ship him another experienced hand in order to
set up a tourist attraction like this one
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A791219. :-)


LMAO

Wayne

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 03:35:08 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


Just like all the assholes that moved to California, lost all their
investments, collect cheese-checks, denounced God and **** each other in the
ass like good little Libtard Neo-Socialists? No thanks!

Conservative cranks: the Andrew Dice Clays of wisdom and sincerity.

Wayne

Buerste wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
...
Buerste wrote:
snip
No parenting skills. You can cast blame anywhere, and you do, but
the simple fact is that parents are the first and strongest role
models for their offspring. ****ty parents = low quality offspring.

I have a real hard time
getting new employees that can do simple math or read a tape
measure. We hold classes, on the clock, just to teach some
necessary skills. We also cover the families' medical and pay for
children's and grandchildren's school books through college if they
hold a "B" average. BUT, that's a fart in a windstorm. My costs
get repaid many-fold as my employees on the whole go above and
beyond.

Yeah, what you are is a surrogate parent. I'd have thought that
would be obvious to you.
It isn't the kids or the schools that are defective or you wouldn't
have any
luck with these people either.
Ship the whole lot of them off for military service and they'd come
back useful men and women with a little self respect.
They would be teaching you something then and that would be that
you'r current blathering is just a bunch of uninformed and emotional
BS.

Just like all the assholes that moved to California, lost all their
investments, collect cheese-checks, denounced God and **** each other
in the ass like good little Libtard Neo-Socialists? No thanks!

Take our meds Tom.
You have lost your bearings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California,_Cincinnati

"California, Ohio is a small neighborhood in the city of Cincinnati, also
commonly called Grove Park, after Coney Island's original name. It is
located at the confluence of the Little Miami River and Ohio River. Because
of this, many of its historical homes have water damage. It is not uncommon
to see a home with two or three stories only being inhabited on the
uppermost story. It is also the location of the Greater Cincinnati Water
Works' main treatment plant. California borders the Cincinnati neighborhoods
of Mt. Washington, Linwood, the East End, and Columbia-Tusculum, as well as
Anderson Township."

Here, on the other hand, are just two California transplants to the State of
California.
Please send more of these.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marissa_Mayer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Doerr



--
John R. Carroll

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 03:35:08 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
...
Buerste wrote:
snip
No parenting skills. You can cast blame anywhere, and you do, but the
simple fact is that parents are the first and strongest role models for
their offspring. ****ty parents = low quality offspring.

I have a real hard time
getting new employees that can do simple math or read a tape measure.
We hold classes, on the clock, just to teach some necessary skills.
We also cover the families' medical and pay for children's and
grandchildren's school books through college if they hold a "B"
average. BUT, that's a fart in a windstorm. My costs get repaid
many-fold as my employees on the whole go above and beyond.

Yeah, what you are is a surrogate parent. I'd have thought that would be
obvious to you.
It isn't the kids or the schools that are defective or you wouldn't have
any
luck with these people either.
Ship the whole lot of them off for military service and they'd come back
useful men and women with a little self respect.
They would be teaching you something then and that would be that you'r
current blathering is just a bunch of uninformed and emotional BS.

--
John R. Carroll



Just like all the assholes that moved to California, lost all their
investments, collect cheese-checks, denounced God and **** each other in the
ass like good little Libtard Neo-Socialists? No thanks!


John seems to be forgetting that a growing number of street gangs and
other similar criminal organizations are sending members into the
military and when they return, act as training officers for the gangs



"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

wrote in message
...
snip
What wouldn't surprise me is an announcement that he's liquidating and
taking a job at Home Depot. He seems really bitter, which doesn't jibe
with having a single lucrative offer, much less several. Then again, I
accept that I don't quite understand folks like him. One that I know
has a near perfect life - everything paid for, good chunk of cash in
the bank, and little baggage. Yet he goes around ****ed at pretty much
everybody.


Wayne

Not everybody, just liberals that constantly seek ways to legally steal from
me. According to your kind, I have no right to keep much of what I make,
you want me to pay for all your little causes and buy votes.

Of course you don't understand people like me. Do you even know somebody
NOT on the dole? Well, good luck with your Utopia thing, I don't think it
will work out for you though. You're going to run out of people to pay for
it.

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 03:35:08 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
...
Buerste wrote:
snip
No parenting skills. You can cast blame anywhere, and you do, but
the simple fact is that parents are the first and strongest role
models for their offspring. ****ty parents = low quality offspring.

I have a real hard time
getting new employees that can do simple math or read a tape
measure. We hold classes, on the clock, just to teach some
necessary skills. We also cover the families' medical and pay for
children's and grandchildren's school books through college if
they hold a "B" average. BUT, that's a fart in a windstorm. My
costs get repaid many-fold as my employees on the whole go above
and beyond.

Yeah, what you are is a surrogate parent. I'd have thought that
would be obvious to you.
It isn't the kids or the schools that are defective or you wouldn't
have any
luck with these people either.
Ship the whole lot of them off for military service and they'd come
back useful men and women with a little self respect.
They would be teaching you something then and that would be that
you'r current blathering is just a bunch of uninformed and
emotional BS.

--
John R. Carroll



Just like all the assholes that moved to California, lost all their
investments, collect cheese-checks, denounced God and **** each
other in the ass like good little Libtard Neo-Socialists? No thanks!


John seems to be forgetting that a growing number of street gangs and
other similar criminal organizations are sending members into the
military and when they return, act as training officers for the gangs


It's a shame that our military has to waive minimal standards to meet
recruiting targets.
I've always felt that it was a mistake and still do.

--
John R. Carroll

On Mar 29, 2:56*pm, "Buerste" wrote:
wrote in message

...
snip

What wouldn't surprise me is an announcement that he's liquidating and
taking a job at Home Depot. He seems really bitter, which doesn't jibe
with having a single lucrative offer, much less several. Then again, I
accept that I don't quite understand folks like him. One that I know
has a near perfect life - everything paid for, good chunk of cash in
the bank, and little baggage. Yet he goes around ****ed at pretty much
everybody.

Wayne

Not everybody, just liberals that constantly seek ways to legally steal from
me. *According to your kind, I have no right to keep much of what I make,
you want me to pay for all your little causes and buy votes.

Of course you don't understand people like me. *Do you even know somebody
NOT on the dole? *Well, good luck with your Utopia thing, I don't think it
will work out for you though. *You're going to run out of people to pay for
it.

Yet, you're perfectly happy paying for Gunner's health care.

"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
...

snip

Hey, John, remember what we were saying a few days ago about the Sons of
Timothy McVeigh blowhards versus the reaction after the Civil Rights Act in
'64? I'm beginning to wonder where Frank Rich gets his material. g

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/op...e&ref=homepage

--
Ed Huntress

"John R. Carroll" wrote:

John seems to be forgetting that a growing number of street gangs and
other similar criminal organizations are sending members into the
military and when they return, act as training officers for the gangs


It's a shame that our military has to waive minimal standards to meet
recruiting targets.
I've always felt that it was a mistake and still do.


How low are they going? We talking physical standards or criminal history?

Thanks,

Wes

"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
...

snip

Hey, John, remember what we were saying a few days ago about the Sons
of Timothy McVeigh blowhards versus the reaction after the Civil
Rights Act in '64? I'm beginning to wonder where Frank Rich gets his
material. g

RCM?
LOL
I think it's just that we all remember the same history.

I did remember a recent thread here when I saw his yesterday.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wirestory?id=10224652&page=1

You don't have to be a genius to have predicted the reaction by law
enforcement.
Notice how close to the bud this ended up being nipped?
Big Brother is watching.

I wonder what Pete C. thinks now?

Uh, probably the same thing he usually thinks. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:56:42 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
snip
What wouldn't surprise me is an announcement that he's liquidating and
taking a job at Home Depot. He seems really bitter, which doesn't jibe
with having a single lucrative offer, much less several. Then again, I
accept that I don't quite understand folks like him. One that I know
has a near perfect life - everything paid for, good chunk of cash in
the bank, and little baggage. Yet he goes around ****ed at pretty much
everybody.


Wayne

Not everybody, just liberals that constantly seek ways to legally steal from
me. According to your kind, I have no right to keep much of what I make,
you want me to pay for all your little causes and buy votes.

Of course you don't understand people like me. Do you even know somebody
NOT on the dole? Well, good luck with your Utopia thing, I don't think it
will work out for you though. You're going to run out of people to pay for
it.

What, no references to anal sex this time? And not a single quote to
prove any of your asinine claims. Remember when you got all bent out
of shape because somebody suggested that you were a family-money kind
of guy? They got that idea because of the outrageous BS you post here
so often, and because it's so unlikely that cranks could ever be half
as accomplished as they claim. You've been blurting out these
ridiculous lies for how long now, and where has it gotten you? It
seems that you well deserve to be stuck in an industrial wasteland
bitching about your demons, same as gummy in Taft with his.

BTW, over the years I've met several folks who were on the dole
primarily because they're too lazy to get off. I can't think of a
single one you wouldn't be buddies with, exactly as you are with
gummer. One lives a few miles away, carries a sidearm full time, and
can't have a conversation without mentioning his hate of government,
gays, and the godless. If he was posting here most of us probably
couldn't tell the difference between him and you. Here's a suggestion:
use some of the time you waste here to take an honest poll at any get
together of "conservatives". You'll find some on full disability for
"bad backs" etc, yet they'll be happy to meet up with you any day of
the week for some strenuous huntin' and anti-Obama talk. You wanna'
out a few of the fakers? Good. Then start with your acquaintances, and
quit pretending that you don't know any god-fearing, gay-hating, right
wing leeches.

Wayne

Wes wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote:

John seems to be forgetting that a growing number of street gangs
and other similar criminal organizations are sending members into
the military and when they return, act as training officers for the
gangs


It's a shame that our military has to waive minimal standards to meet
recruiting targets.
I've always felt that it was a mistake and still do.


How low are they going? We talking physical standards or criminal
history?

They have been waiving felonies.

--
John R. Carroll

Ed Huntress wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
...

snip

Hey, John, remember what we were saying a few days ago about the Sons
of Timothy McVeigh blowhards versus the reaction after the Civil
Rights Act in '64? I'm beginning to wonder where Frank Rich gets his
material. g

RCM?
LOL
I think it's just that we all remember the same history.

I did remember a recent thread here when I saw his yesterday.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wirestory?id=10224652&page=1

You don't have to be a genius to have predicted the reaction by law
enforcement.
Notice how close to the bud this ended up being nipped?
Big Brother is watching.

I wonder what Pete C. thinks now?

--
John R. Carroll

"John R. Carroll" wrote:

How low are they going? We talking physical standards or criminal
history?

They have been waiving felonies.

I had a bad feeling you were going to tell me that.

I *hope* the choice isn't jail or the military and they are enlisting to try to turn their
life around. I though a felony conviction made one a prohibited person not able to
possess a firearm in any manner.

Wes

Wes wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote:

How low are they going? We talking physical standards or criminal
history?

They have been waiving felonies.

I had a bad feeling you were going to tell me that.

I *hope* the choice isn't jail or the military and they are enlisting
to try to turn their life around.

I think I could make an accurate guess. You probably could too but it would
just be a guess.
I've heard both but principally the latter.

I though a felony conviction made
one a prohibited person not able to possess a firearm in any manner.

Only in civilian life. Civilians aren't US Government Property.



--
John R. Carroll

Buerste wrote:
wrote in message
...
snip
What wouldn't surprise me is an announcement that he's liquidating
and taking a job at Home Depot. He seems really bitter, which
doesn't jibe with having a single lucrative offer, much less
several. Then again, I accept that I don't quite understand folks
like him. One that I know has a near perfect life - everything paid
for, good chunk of cash in the bank, and little baggage. Yet he goes
around ****ed at pretty much everybody.


Wayne

Not everybody, just liberals that constantly seek ways to legally
steal from me. According to your kind, I have no right to keep much
of what I make, you want me to pay for all your little causes and buy
votes.

Of course you don't understand people like me. Do you even know
somebody NOT on the dole? Well, good luck with your Utopia thing, I
don't think it will work out for you though. You're going to run out
of people to pay for it.


FEC report details lavish Republican spending, including nearly $2,000 at
Voyeur West Hollywood
Updated 3:04 p.m.
By Dan Eggen
The Republican National Committee gave nearly $2,000 to a Southern
California GOP contributor for meal expenses at Voyeur West Hollywood, a
lesbian-themed California nightclub that features topless dancers wearing
horse-bits and other bondage gear, according to newly filed disclosure
records.

................

Voyeur West Hollywood has garnered attention in Los Angeles for its risque
and outrageous theme since opening last fall, attracting celebrities such as
Lindsey Lohan and Leonardo DiCaprio. A Los Angeles Times article said the
club had a "dark, leather-heavy interior" that was "reminiscent of the
masked orgy scene" from the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" and includes "impromptu
bondage and S&M 'scenes' being played out on an elevated platform by
scantily clad performers." Opening night included one woman "with a horse's
bit in her mouth...strapped to the wall by another," the article said.




http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...rivate-pl.html

LMAO

Republican Family Values.


--
John R. Carroll

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:38:39 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

Buerste wrote:
wrote in message
...
snip
What wouldn't surprise me is an announcement that he's liquidating
and taking a job at Home Depot. He seems really bitter, which
doesn't jibe with having a single lucrative offer, much less
several. Then again, I accept that I don't quite understand folks
like him. One that I know has a near perfect life - everything paid
for, good chunk of cash in the bank, and little baggage. Yet he goes
around ****ed at pretty much everybody.


Wayne

Not everybody, just liberals that constantly seek ways to legally
steal from me. According to your kind, I have no right to keep much
of what I make, you want me to pay for all your little causes and buy
votes.

Of course you don't understand people like me. Do you even know
somebody NOT on the dole? Well, good luck with your Utopia thing, I
don't think it will work out for you though. You're going to run out
of people to pay for it.


FEC report details lavish Republican spending, including nearly $2,000 at
Voyeur West Hollywood
Updated 3:04 p.m.
By Dan Eggen
The Republican National Committee gave nearly $2,000 to a Southern
California GOP contributor for meal expenses at Voyeur West Hollywood, a
lesbian-themed California nightclub that features topless dancers wearing
horse-bits and other bondage gear, according to newly filed disclosure
records.

...............

Voyeur West Hollywood has garnered attention in Los Angeles for its risque
and outrageous theme since opening last fall, attracting celebrities such as
Lindsey Lohan and Leonardo DiCaprio. A Los Angeles Times article said the
club had a "dark, leather-heavy interior" that was "reminiscent of the
masked orgy scene" from the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" and includes "impromptu
bondage and S&M 'scenes' being played out on an elevated platform by
scantily clad performers." Opening night included one woman "with a horse's
bit in her mouth...strapped to the wall by another," the article said.




http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...rivate-pl.html

LMAO

Republican Family Values.

Too funny. I read that some GOP officials are more than willing to let
the whole thing slide on account of them being OK with doing whatever
it takes to raise money, which Steele's good at. He's the hipper
snorf version of a young Karl Rove. :-) I hope that tom donated
generously to fund some of that family-values bondage. Will he be one
to call for Steele's ouster? Will he demand that the party be purged
of all the other heck-of-a-job brownie-type hacks, so that future
embarrassments might be prevented? Or will he pray for Steele to
survive the scandal, and that word spreads to contributors that the
GOP is a can-do outfit when it comes to fulfilling donors'
family-values wet dreams? Hey tom, Larry Craig is on line 1.
Considering the policy change, he wants to know if he can use your
bathroom to raise a few bucks. :-)

Wayne

In article ,
Wes wrote:

"John R. Carroll" wrote:

How low are they going? We talking physical standards or criminal
history?

They have been waiving felonies.

I had a bad feeling you were going to tell me that.

I *hope* the choice isn't jail or the military and they are enlisting to try
to turn their life around.

Umm. When I was a kid, one way bad kids in big trouble were handled was to
*require* them to enlist. The military knew perfectly well what they were
getting, but those kids were in a military command structure. Better than
reform school.

This changed after Vietnam.


I though a felony conviction made one a prohibited person not
able to possess a firearm in any manner.

Only for civilians. Uniformed military come under the Uniform Code of Military
Justice, with is independent.


Joe Gwinn

In article ,
"John R. Carroll" wrote:

Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article ,
Wes wrote:

"John R. Carroll" wrote:

How low are they going? We talking physical standards or criminal
history?

They have been waiving felonies.

I had a bad feeling you were going to tell me that.

I *hope* the choice isn't jail or the military and they are
enlisting to try to turn their life around.

Umm. When I was a kid, one way bad kids in big trouble were handled
was to *require* them to enlist.

This is different. During the time you are referencing, the courts wouldn't
enter judgment and after a set period, would dismiss without convicting.
Now, they are taking convicted felons.

Umm, the kid did the same bad thing in both cases. What changed was the
handling. Which was my point.

Joe Gwinn

In article ,
"John R. Carroll" wrote:

Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article ,
"John R. Carroll" wrote:

Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article ,
Wes wrote:

"John R. Carroll" wrote:

How low are they going? We talking physical standards or
criminal history?

They have been waiving felonies.

I had a bad feeling you were going to tell me that.

I *hope* the choice isn't jail or the military and they are
enlisting to try to turn their life around.

Umm. When I was a kid, one way bad kids in big trouble were handled
was to *require* them to enlist.

This is different. During the time you are referencing, the courts
wouldn't enter judgment and after a set period, would dismiss
without convicting. Now, they are taking convicted felons.

Umm, the kid did the same bad thing in both cases. What changed was
the handling. Which was my point.

Sort of.
Even back in the day a convicted felon was generally not waived.
Nipped in the bud is one thing. That isn't what we are seeing at present.

Well. I recall some pretty bad ones, but yes the authorities were trying to nip
it in the bud. And it more often than not worked.

The French Foreign Legion is the extreme case of this.


Gunner's comment about training felons for future service to their gang has
merit and as a practical matter, it's actually happened.

This inadvertent training has always been true, I think.

Joe Gwinn

Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article ,
Wes wrote:

"John R. Carroll" wrote:

How low are they going? We talking physical standards or criminal
history?

They have been waiving felonies.

I had a bad feeling you were going to tell me that.

I *hope* the choice isn't jail or the military and they are
enlisting to try to turn their life around.

Umm. When I was a kid, one way bad kids in big trouble were handled
was to *require* them to enlist.

This is different. During the time you are referencing, the courts wouldn't
enter judgment and after a set period, would dismiss without convicting.
Now, they are taking convicted felons.


--
John R. Carroll

wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:38:39 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


Too funny. I read that some GOP officials are more than willing to let
the whole thing slide on account of them being OK with doing whatever
it takes to raise money, which Steele's good at.

Not true. In spite of all the hoopla about a revitalized Republican base,
the Dems raised as much in February as Steele's team.
What really has Republican donors in an uproar is Steele's spending habits.

He's the hipper
snorf version of a young Karl Rove. :-) I hope that tom donated
generously to fund some of that family-values bondage. Will he be one
to call for Steele's ouster? Will he demand that the party be purged
of all the other heck-of-a-job brownie-type hacks, so that future
embarrassments might be prevented? Or will he pray for Steele to
survive the scandal, and that word spreads to contributors that the
GOP is a can-do outfit when it comes to fulfilling donors'
family-values wet dreams? Hey tom, Larry Craig is on line 1.
Considering the policy change, he wants to know if he can use your
bathroom to raise a few bucks. :-)


Steele isn't going anywhere between now and the midterms.

Anyway, I don't get particularly wound up about this kind of thing.
It's comic relief.

--
John R. Carroll

Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article ,
"John R. Carroll" wrote:

Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article ,
Wes wrote:

"John R. Carroll" wrote:

How low are they going? We talking physical standards or
criminal history?

They have been waiving felonies.

I had a bad feeling you were going to tell me that.

I *hope* the choice isn't jail or the military and they are
enlisting to try to turn their life around.

Umm. When I was a kid, one way bad kids in big trouble were handled
was to *require* them to enlist.

This is different. During the time you are referencing, the courts
wouldn't enter judgment and after a set period, would dismiss
without convicting. Now, they are taking convicted felons.

Umm, the kid did the same bad thing in both cases. What changed was
the handling. Which was my point.

Sort of.
Even back in the day a convicted felon was generally not waived.
Nipped in the bud is one thing. That isn't what we are seeing at present.
Gunner's comment about training felons for future service to their gang has
merit and as a practical matter, it's actually happened.

--
John R. Carroll

Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article ,
"John R. Carroll" wrote:

Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article ,
"John R. Carroll" wrote:

Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article ,
Wes wrote:

"John R. Carroll" wrote:

Sort of.
Even back in the day a convicted felon was generally not waived.
Nipped in the bud is one thing. That isn't what we are seeing at
present.

Well. I recall some pretty bad ones, but yes the authorities were
trying to nip it in the bud. And it more often than not worked.

Had to laugh a little at that one.
Basic has a way of sorting out big shooters.
LOL

--
John R. Carroll

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:17:34 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:38:39 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


Too funny. I read that some GOP officials are more than willing to let
the whole thing slide on account of them being OK with doing whatever
it takes to raise money, which Steele's good at.

Not true. In spite of all the hoopla about a revitalized Republican base,
the Dems raised as much in February as Steele's team.

I feel a bit sorry for him. His job is to do what it takes in a kind
of don't ask don't tell kind of way. Plus he knows he's the fall guy
in November unless the rapture intervenes or something.

What really has Republican donors in an uproar is Steele's spending habits.

Some of them will whine for sure, but his type of tactics are accepted
in both parties. Which doesn't make his getting caught any less
hilarious.

He's the hipper
snorf version of a young Karl Rove. :-) I hope that tom donated
generously to fund some of that family-values bondage. Will he be one
to call for Steele's ouster? Will he demand that the party be purged
of all the other heck-of-a-job brownie-type hacks, so that future
embarrassments might be prevented? Or will he pray for Steele to
survive the scandal, and that word spreads to contributors that the
GOP is a can-do outfit when it comes to fulfilling donors'
family-values wet dreams? Hey tom, Larry Craig is on line 1.
Considering the policy change, he wants to know if he can use your
bathroom to raise a few bucks. :-)


Steele isn't going anywhere between now and the midterms.

Sure. They already sacked the bagman, er, wholly independent operator
that nobody knew anything about. guffaw

Anyway, I don't get particularly wound up about this kind of thing.
It's comic relief.

Perhaps they chose him partly because he reminds some of them of Amos
and Andy. Of course they only had one black guy, so he has to play
both parts. :-)

Wayne