On 3/23/2010 12:38 PM, Buerste wrote:
wrote in message
fraid.org...
wrote:

Give it a rest Gummer. You lost, now get over it.

Waterloo
March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by David Frum

Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing
legislative defeat since the 1960s.
snip

Yep, the Party of "Takers" has dealt a huge blow to the Party of
"Producers". Since the "Takers" far outweigh the "Producers", the voting is
rather predictable. However, how much can the "Takers" take from the
"Producers" before the well runs dry? In time, the "Takers" won't be able
to tax, borrow or print money and the "Producers" will be broke from paying
all the new taxes. On top of all of that, wealth creation in the US is
punished. I congratulate you! You DO get something for nothing...for a
little while...enjoy! That dull roar you hear is jobs fleeing the country
faster than ever before. Yep, CONGRATULATIONS!!!



Geez!, when are you right wing doomsayers going to wake up and smell the
coffee? Things are starting to go right for the first time in a long
time. The stock market is back to nearly 11,000. First quarter earnings
data is coming out soon and the reports are that corporate profits for
the first quarter of the year are going to be very good. Business is
doing well. I guess you must be having another lousy quarter for your
business. Sorry to hear that. You might soon be a "taker" yourself. But
at least lots of other American businesses are doing very well, they are
flush with cash, and they are ready to do a lot of new mergers. The
economy is turning around. How is it that you so called business types
are the last to know? No wonder you don't know how to invest. You don't
even know which way the economy is going even when all the signs are
right there. You guys need to wake up. The problems were created when
republicans ran things. They are being solved now that Democrats are in
charge. Just like always.

Hawke

"Hawke" wrote in message
...
On 3/23/2010 12:38 PM, Buerste wrote:
wrote in message
fraid.org...
wrote:

Give it a rest Gummer. You lost, now get over it.

Waterloo
March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by David Frum

Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing
legislative defeat since the 1960s.
snip

Yep, the Party of "Takers" has dealt a huge blow to the Party of
"Producers". Since the "Takers" far outweigh the "Producers", the voting
is
rather predictable. However, how much can the "Takers" take from the
"Producers" before the well runs dry? In time, the "Takers" won't be
able
to tax, borrow or print money and the "Producers" will be broke from
paying
all the new taxes. On top of all of that, wealth creation in the US is
punished. I congratulate you! You DO get something for nothing...for a
little while...enjoy! That dull roar you hear is jobs fleeing the
country
faster than ever before. Yep, CONGRATULATIONS!!!



Geez!, when are you right wing doomsayers going to wake up and smell the
coffee? Things are starting to go right for the first time in a long time.
The stock market is back to nearly 11,000. First quarter earnings data is
coming out soon and the reports are that corporate profits for the first
quarter of the year are going to be very good. Business is doing well. I
guess you must be having another lousy quarter for your business. Sorry to
hear that. You might soon be a "taker" yourself. But at least lots of
other American businesses are doing very well, they are flush with cash,
and they are ready to do a lot of new mergers. The economy is turning
around. How is it that you so called business types are the last to know?
No wonder you don't know how to invest. You don't even know which way the
economy is going even when all the signs are right there. You guys need to
wake up. The problems were created when republicans ran things. They are
being solved now that Democrats are in charge. Just like always.

Hawke

All Right! We should have all that Obama bail out money paid back soon
then, right? You know, the billions borrowed from our kids and grandkids.
And add to that we have ten years of taxes to pay for 5 or 6 years of health
care.

RogerN

"Hawke" wrote in message
...
On 3/23/2010 12:38 PM, Buerste wrote:
wrote in message
fraid.org...
wrote:

Give it a rest Gummer. You lost, now get over it.

Waterloo
March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by David Frum

Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing
legislative defeat since the 1960s.
snip

Yep, the Party of "Takers" has dealt a huge blow to the Party of
"Producers". Since the "Takers" far outweigh the "Producers", the voting
is
rather predictable. However, how much can the "Takers" take from the
"Producers" before the well runs dry? In time, the "Takers" won't be
able
to tax, borrow or print money and the "Producers" will be broke from
paying
all the new taxes. On top of all of that, wealth creation in the US is
punished. I congratulate you! You DO get something for nothing...for a
little while...enjoy! That dull roar you hear is jobs fleeing the
country
faster than ever before. Yep, CONGRATULATIONS!!!



Geez!, when are you right wing doomsayers going to wake up and smell the
coffee? Things are starting to go right for the first time in a long time.
The stock market is back to nearly 11,000. First quarter earnings data is
coming out soon and the reports are that corporate profits for the first
quarter of the year are going to be very good. Business is doing well. I
guess you must be having another lousy quarter for your business. Sorry to
hear that. You might soon be a "taker" yourself. But at least lots of
other American businesses are doing very well, they are flush with cash,
and they are ready to do a lot of new mergers. The economy is turning
around. How is it that you so called business types are the last to know?
No wonder you don't know how to invest. You don't even know which way the
economy is going even when all the signs are right there. You guys need to
wake up. The problems were created when republicans ran things. They are
being solved now that Democrats are in charge. Just like always.

Hawke

Tell the 20% that are unemployed. Did you fail EVERY math class you ever
had? You must have, you certainly can't understand Economics 101. So good
of you to try to insult me personally, very predictable when you have no
argument. Run a D&B on me anytime you like...but then your insults would
just be more lies. You are a "Taker" and always will be...another millstone
on society...that can't do math.

On 3/24/2010 3:40 AM, Buerste wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 3/23/2010 12:38 PM, Buerste wrote:
wrote in message
fraid.org...
wrote:

Give it a rest Gummer. You lost, now get over it.

Waterloo
March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by David Frum

Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing
legislative defeat since the 1960s.
snip

Yep, the Party of "Takers" has dealt a huge blow to the Party of
"Producers". Since the "Takers" far outweigh the "Producers", the voting
is
rather predictable. However, how much can the "Takers" take from the
"Producers" before the well runs dry? In time, the "Takers" won't be
able
to tax, borrow or print money and the "Producers" will be broke from
paying
all the new taxes. On top of all of that, wealth creation in the US is
punished. I congratulate you! You DO get something for nothing...for a
little while...enjoy! That dull roar you hear is jobs fleeing the
country
faster than ever before. Yep, CONGRATULATIONS!!!



Geez!, when are you right wing doomsayers going to wake up and smell the
coffee? Things are starting to go right for the first time in a long time.
The stock market is back to nearly 11,000. First quarter earnings data is
coming out soon and the reports are that corporate profits for the first
quarter of the year are going to be very good. Business is doing well. I
guess you must be having another lousy quarter for your business. Sorry to
hear that. You might soon be a "taker" yourself. But at least lots of
other American businesses are doing very well, they are flush with cash,
and they are ready to do a lot of new mergers. The economy is turning
around. How is it that you so called business types are the last to know?
No wonder you don't know how to invest. You don't even know which way the
economy is going even when all the signs are right there. You guys need to
wake up. The problems were created when republicans ran things. They are
being solved now that Democrats are in charge. Just like always.

Hawke

Tell the 20% that are unemployed. Did you fail EVERY math class you ever
had? You must have, you certainly can't understand Economics 101. So good
of you to try to insult me personally, very predictable when you have no
argument. Run a D&B on me anytime you like...but then your insults would
just be more lies. You are a "Taker" and always will be...another millstone
on society...that can't do math.


You failed. Bringing up unemployment, which is called a "lagging
indicator" to try to make it look like things are not improving isn't
going to work. Earnings reports come out in less than three weeks and
they are going to be very good. That means lots of businesses are doing
very well and making lots of profits. The market is at nearly 11,000.
Retail sales are up too. Try to make those facts look bad all you want.
The policies that Obama put in place are working and the economy is
coming back. The signs are all around. Like I said, if you aren't aware
of that you are pretty uninformed. You also don't seem to know what an
insult is. Bringing to light what is observably true isn't an insult. Is
your business doing poorly and you are mad because others are doing
well? I don't know, but you are acting like it is. The facts are that
things are turning around. If you don't know that then it's your fault
not mine for point out the truth. You need to get your head out of the
sand and look around because you don't seem to know what is going on.
And you're the one throwing personal insults around. So I guess you
don't know an insult when you hear one...or give one.

Hawke

"Hawke" wrote in message
...
snip

Is your business doing poorly and you are mad because others are doing
well? I don't know, but you are acting like it is. The facts are that
things are turning around. If you don't know that then it's your fault not
mine for point out the truth. You need to get your head out of the sand
and look around because you don't seem to know what is going on. And
you're the one throwing personal insults around. So I guess you don't know
an insult when you hear one...or give one.

Hawke

I'm embarrassed that I WASN'T affected very much by the downturn, therefore
I don't brag or complain. But, I certainly won't go on a hiring spree. As
I said, run a D&B anytime you like...or, stfu. All small business owners I
know won't hire unless they absolutely have to and if we do, we hire temps.
THAT'S why unemployment is so high, we small business owners---the ones that
are responsible for 70% of jobs---don't feel comfortable with all the
anti-business liberals and unions making the rules. We're not GOING to hire
people the same way EVER again! And we're all looking into even higher
levels of automation and imports to eliminate all the artificial expenses
associated with more employees. You liberals drove millions of Big-Business
jobs overseas, now you're punishing the small businesses. Good strategy!
You just don't understand any of this, do you? Just like you can't do the
math on healthcare.

On 3/24/2010 3:50 PM, Buerste wrote:
wrote in message
...
snip

Is your business doing poorly and you are mad because others are doing
well? I don't know, but you are acting like it is. The facts are that
things are turning around. If you don't know that then it's your fault not
mine for point out the truth. You need to get your head out of the sand
and look around because you don't seem to know what is going on. And
you're the one throwing personal insults around. So I guess you don't know
an insult when you hear one...or give one.

Hawke

I'm embarrassed that I WASN'T affected very much by the downturn, therefore
I don't brag or complain. But, I certainly won't go on a hiring spree. As
I said, run a D&B anytime you like...or, stfu. All small business owners I
know won't hire unless they absolutely have to and if we do, we hire temps.
THAT'S why unemployment is so high, we small business owners---the ones that
are responsible for 70% of jobs---don't feel comfortable with all the
anti-business liberals and unions making the rules. We're not GOING to hire
people the same way EVER again! And we're all looking into even higher
levels of automation and imports to eliminate all the artificial expenses
associated with more employees. You liberals drove millions of Big-Business
jobs overseas, now you're punishing the small businesses. Good strategy!
You just don't understand any of this, do you? Just like you can't do the
math on healthcare.


You seem to be the one who can't do the math on healthcare. Every single
country that has gone to a universal system spends about half what we do
and covers everyone. How come it doesn't add up to you that it'll be the
same here? Or can they do that in every other country but we can't?

You're proof that having a business doesn't mean you know much about
business. Why don't you small businessmen hire more workers? Could it be
because you don't have enough business to need more workers? If you had
a lot more business you would have to hire more. So the reason you
aren't hiring is simple, you don't have enough customers. Why is that?
That's simple too. Bush and his gang cost us so much money that most
Americans don't have money to spend anymore, and they can't borrow
either. On your products or anything else. Everyone is so much poorer
than they were in 2001 that they can't buy anything but the necessities.
It's going to take many years for Americans to regain anywhere near the
wealth they lost due to the malfeasance of the republicans. You like to
pretend it was the fault of someone else for our financial woes but most
people know who is to blame. We know who messed things up and we know
who is trying to fix the problems. You think you know so much but you
are one of the few that hasn't figured out how we got in such a mess so
all you do is repeat what you hear right wingers like Hannity and
Limbaugh say. That is clearly not smart because only idiots listen to them.

Hawke

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:45:02 -0700, Hawke
wrote:

On 3/23/2010 12:38 PM, Buerste wrote:
wrote in message
fraid.org...
wrote:

Give it a rest Gummer. You lost, now get over it.

Waterloo
March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by David Frum

Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing
legislative defeat since the 1960s.
snip

Yep, the Party of "Takers" has dealt a huge blow to the Party of
"Producers". Since the "Takers" far outweigh the "Producers", the voting is
rather predictable. However, how much can the "Takers" take from the
"Producers" before the well runs dry? In time, the "Takers" won't be able
to tax, borrow or print money and the "Producers" will be broke from paying
all the new taxes. On top of all of that, wealth creation in the US is
punished. I congratulate you! You DO get something for nothing...for a
little while...enjoy! That dull roar you hear is jobs fleeing the country
faster than ever before. Yep, CONGRATULATIONS!!!



Geez!, when are you right wing doomsayers going to wake up and smell the
coffee? Things are starting to go right for the first time in a long
time. The stock market is back to nearly 11,000. First quarter earnings
data is coming out soon and the reports are that corporate profits for
the first quarter of the year are going to be very good. Business is
doing well. I guess you must be having another lousy quarter for your
business. Sorry to hear that. You might soon be a "taker" yourself. But
at least lots of other American businesses are doing very well, they are
flush with cash, and they are ready to do a lot of new mergers. The
economy is turning around. How is it that you so called business types
are the last to know? No wonder you don't know how to invest. You don't
even know which way the economy is going even when all the signs are
right there. You guys need to wake up. The problems were created when
republicans ran things. They are being solved now that Democrats are in
charge. Just like always.

Hawke

There was some rather enlightening figures in the local paper's
financial section today:

GDP % change Y to Y change
U.S. +0.1
China +10.7

Consumer Prices
U.S. +2.6
China +2.7

Industrial Production
U.S. +1.8
China +19.2

Unemployment (Rate)
U.S. 9.7
China 4.3

Trade balance (B $)
U.S. -43..4
China +7.6

Yield (10 year Government Bond)
U.S. 3.66
China 3.56

Current Account (billion $)
U.S. -124.1
China 284.1

But everything is roses?

John B.

On 3/24/2010 7:27 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:45:02 -0700, Hawke
wrote:

On 3/23/2010 12:38 PM, Buerste wrote:
wrote in message
fraid.org...
wrote:

Give it a rest Gummer. You lost, now get over it.

Waterloo
March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by David Frum

Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing
legislative defeat since the 1960s.
snip

Yep, the Party of "Takers" has dealt a huge blow to the Party of
"Producers". Since the "Takers" far outweigh the "Producers", the voting is
rather predictable. However, how much can the "Takers" take from the
"Producers" before the well runs dry? In time, the "Takers" won't be able
to tax, borrow or print money and the "Producers" will be broke from paying
all the new taxes. On top of all of that, wealth creation in the US is
punished. I congratulate you! You DO get something for nothing...for a
little while...enjoy! That dull roar you hear is jobs fleeing the country
faster than ever before. Yep, CONGRATULATIONS!!!



Geez!, when are you right wing doomsayers going to wake up and smell the
coffee? Things are starting to go right for the first time in a long
time. The stock market is back to nearly 11,000. First quarter earnings
data is coming out soon and the reports are that corporate profits for
the first quarter of the year are going to be very good. Business is
doing well. I guess you must be having another lousy quarter for your
business. Sorry to hear that. You might soon be a "taker" yourself. But
at least lots of other American businesses are doing very well, they are
flush with cash, and they are ready to do a lot of new mergers. The
economy is turning around. How is it that you so called business types
are the last to know? No wonder you don't know how to invest. You don't
even know which way the economy is going even when all the signs are
right there. You guys need to wake up. The problems were created when
republicans ran things. They are being solved now that Democrats are in
charge. Just like always.

Hawke

There was some rather enlightening figures in the local paper's
financial section today:

GDP % change Y to Y change
U.S. +0.1
China +10.7

Consumer Prices
U.S. +2.6
China +2.7

Industrial Production
U.S. +1.8
China +19.2

Unemployment (Rate)
U.S. 9.7
China 4.3

Trade balance (B $)
U.S. -43..4
China +7.6

Yield (10 year Government Bond)
U.S. 3.66
China 3.56

Current Account (billion $)
U.S. -124.1
China 284.1

But everything is roses?

John B.

No, but why are you comparing the U.S. to China? China is the country
that has done the best of all during the worldwide economic slowdown.
You compare it to any other country and it makes the other look bad.
That's an old salesman's trick.

Is the stock market up over 4000 points in the last year? Are retail
sales up? Are the first quarter earnings reports coming out soon and are
they going to be very good? You can compare us to the best economy in
the world and make us look bad in comparison. But if you compare the
economic situation right now to what it was a year ago and if you look
at the economic predictions you see that the outlook is definitely
improving. I'm not saying the economy is booming yet. I'm saying the
indicators say it's on the way up, not down. And that we're much better
off now than a year ago. All in all that's not bad. So if you hear
people saying we're in the ****s it's simply not true. Last year it was
but not any more. It's real bad news for the republicans that things are
improving. They were hoping we would still be in a bad recession in
November so they could get reelected. Now it is looking more and more
like 2010 is going to be a good year, which bodes poorly for the right wing.

Hawke

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:55:33 -0700, Hawke
wrote:

On 3/24/2010 7:27 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:45:02 -0700, Hawke
wrote:

On 3/23/2010 12:38 PM, Buerste wrote:
wrote in message
fraid.org...
wrote:

Give it a rest Gummer. You lost, now get over it.

Waterloo
March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by David Frum

Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing
legislative defeat since the 1960s.
snip

Yep, the Party of "Takers" has dealt a huge blow to the Party of
"Producers". Since the "Takers" far outweigh the "Producers", the voting is
rather predictable. However, how much can the "Takers" take from the
"Producers" before the well runs dry? In time, the "Takers" won't be able
to tax, borrow or print money and the "Producers" will be broke from paying
all the new taxes. On top of all of that, wealth creation in the US is
punished. I congratulate you! You DO get something for nothing...for a
little while...enjoy! That dull roar you hear is jobs fleeing the country
faster than ever before. Yep, CONGRATULATIONS!!!



Geez!, when are you right wing doomsayers going to wake up and smell the
coffee? Things are starting to go right for the first time in a long
time. The stock market is back to nearly 11,000. First quarter earnings
data is coming out soon and the reports are that corporate profits for
the first quarter of the year are going to be very good. Business is
doing well. I guess you must be having another lousy quarter for your
business. Sorry to hear that. You might soon be a "taker" yourself. But
at least lots of other American businesses are doing very well, they are
flush with cash, and they are ready to do a lot of new mergers. The
economy is turning around. How is it that you so called business types
are the last to know? No wonder you don't know how to invest. You don't
even know which way the economy is going even when all the signs are
right there. You guys need to wake up. The problems were created when
republicans ran things. They are being solved now that Democrats are in
charge. Just like always.

Hawke

Current Account (billion $)
U.S. -124.1
China 284.1

But everything is roses?

John B.

No, but why are you comparing the U.S. to China? China is the country
that has done the best of all during the worldwide economic slowdown.
You compare it to any other country and it makes the other look bad.
That's an old salesman's trick.

Certainly I used China - the country that is most likely to become the
new world economic leader. But here is the numbers for a little,
insignificant country, to compare.

GDP % change Y to Y change
U.S. +0.1
Thailand +5.3

Consumer Prices
U.S. +2.6
Thai +3.7

Industrial Production
U.S. +1.8
Thai +28.6

Unemployment (Rate)
U.S. 9.7
Thai 1.4

Trade balance (B $)
U.S. -43..4
Thai +0.5

Yield (10 year Government Bond)
U.S. 3.66
Thai 4.07

Current Account (billion $)
U.S. -124.1
Thai +2.0

Is the stock market up over 4000 points in the last year? Are retail
sales up? Are the first quarter earnings reports coming out soon and are
they going to be very good? You can compare us to the best economy in
the world and make us look bad in comparison. But if you compare the
economic situation right now to what it was a year ago and if you look
at the economic predictions you see that the outlook is definitely
improving. I'm not saying the economy is booming yet. I'm saying the
indicators say it's on the way up, not down. And that we're much better
off now than a year ago. All in all that's not bad. So if you hear
people saying we're in the ****s it's simply not true. Last year it was
but not any more. It's real bad news for the republicans that things are
improving. They were hoping we would still be in a bad recession in
November so they could get reelected. Now it is looking more and more
like 2010 is going to be a good year, which bodes poorly for the right wing.

Hawke

The problem, and it does appear that many people do not realize, or
perhaps accept, that the U.S. essentially, through what can only be
termed mismanagement, has become a second class nation. With your high
cost of labor you have priced yourself out of the majority of the
world's market in the name of free trade, you engage in unpopular and
in several cases unwinable wars, for nebulas, or falsified reasons,
you can't even agree on an equitable public health scheme.

Perhaps you aren't in "the ****" at the moment but you are on a
slippery slope and I see no indication that anything is going to
change.

I hesitate to use Thailand as an example but it does serve to
illustrate some of my arguments. In 2002 the Thai parliament passed
the "Thirty Baht Medical Scheme" which covers all Thai citizens
resident in Thailand. It provides totally free medical care for all
children up the age of 12 years and medical treatment, for 30 baht
(currently equal to $0.96), for those above the age of twelve.

This charge is on a visit by visit basis. In other words, if you have
a chronic illness you go to the hospital, pay your 30 baht and receive
a one month supply of medicine. Next month you will go back and pay an
additional 30 baht. Note that this is for any and all medicine and/or
treatment that you receive.

But everything is roses?

John B.

"John" wrote in message
...
snip
The problem, and it does appear that many people do not realize, or
perhaps accept, that the U.S. essentially, through what can only be
termed mismanagement, has become a second class nation. With your high
cost of labor you have priced yourself out of the majority of the
world's market in the name of free trade, you engage in unpopular and
in several cases unwinable wars, for nebulas, or falsified reasons,
you can't even agree on an equitable public health scheme.

Perhaps you aren't in "the ****" at the moment but you are on a
slippery slope and I see no indication that anything is going to
change.

I hesitate to use Thailand as an example but it does serve to
illustrate some of my arguments. In 2002 the Thai parliament passed
the "Thirty Baht Medical Scheme" which covers all Thai citizens
resident in Thailand. It provides totally free medical care for all
children up the age of 12 years and medical treatment, for 30 baht
(currently equal to $0.96), for those above the age of twelve.

This charge is on a visit by visit basis. In other words, if you have
a chronic illness you go to the hospital, pay your 30 baht and receive
a one month supply of medicine. Next month you will go back and pay an
additional 30 baht. Note that this is for any and all medicine and/or
treatment that you receive.

But everything is roses?

John B.

Well stated! It will take a miracle to turn the US around and I don't see
one coming. The buzzards are circling while the other scavengers are trying
to tear off pieces of the rotting flesh. I doubt resuscitation is in the
cards. Anybody with a brain has a contingency plan.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 05:06:26 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"John" wrote in message
.. .
snip
The problem, and it does appear that many people do not realize, or
perhaps accept, that the U.S. essentially, through what can only be
termed mismanagement, has become a second class nation. With your high
cost of labor you have priced yourself out of the majority of the
world's market in the name of free trade, you engage in unpopular and
in several cases unwinable wars, for nebulas, or falsified reasons,
you can't even agree on an equitable public health scheme.

Perhaps you aren't in "the ****" at the moment but you are on a
slippery slope and I see no indication that anything is going to
change.

I hesitate to use Thailand as an example but it does serve to
illustrate some of my arguments. In 2002 the Thai parliament passed
the "Thirty Baht Medical Scheme" which covers all Thai citizens
resident in Thailand. It provides totally free medical care for all
children up the age of 12 years and medical treatment, for 30 baht
(currently equal to $0.96), for those above the age of twelve.

This charge is on a visit by visit basis. In other words, if you have
a chronic illness you go to the hospital, pay your 30 baht and receive
a one month supply of medicine. Next month you will go back and pay an
additional 30 baht. Note that this is for any and all medicine and/or
treatment that you receive.

But everything is roses?

John B.

Well stated! It will take a miracle to turn the US around and I don't see
one coming. The buzzards are circling while the other scavengers are trying
to tear off pieces of the rotting flesh. I doubt resuscitation is in the
cards. Anybody with a brain has a contingency plan.



The thing I find interesting, if that is the proper term, is that it
is not a case of the U.S. blundering into terra incognita. Great
Britain went through a very similar series of events after WW II. A
socialistic government, costs rising to the point they could no longer
compete in the market, etc. Of course, their problems were compounded
by the Japanese entering the market with cheaper goods that in many
cases were higher in quality. the British motorcycle industry comes to
mind. British motorcycles literally disappeared in less then ten
years. Driven out by cheaper, higher quality, machines from Japan.

What is the saying? Those who refuse to study history are doomed to
repeat it?

John B.

On Mar 24, 11:37*pm, John wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:55:33 -0700, Hawke





wrote:
On 3/24/2010 7:27 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:45:02 -0700, Hawke
*wrote:

On 3/23/2010 12:38 PM, Buerste wrote:
* wrote in message
news:Xns9D437977C3BA2duckrulestheuniverse@noma il.afraid.org...
wrote:

Give it a rest Gummer. *You lost, now get over it.

Waterloo
March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by David Frum

Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing
legislative defeat since the 1960s.
snip

Yep, the Party of *"Takers" has dealt a huge blow to the Party of
"Producers". *Since the "Takers" far outweigh the "Producers", the voting is
rather predictable. *However, how much can the "Takers" take from the
"Producers" before the well runs dry? *In time, the "Takers" won't be able
to tax, borrow or print money and the "Producers" will be broke from paying
all the new taxes. *On top of all of that, wealth creation in the US is
punished. *I congratulate you! *You DO get something for nothing....for a
little while...enjoy! *That dull roar you hear is jobs fleeing the country
faster than ever before. *Yep, CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Geez!, when are you right wing doomsayers going to wake up and smell the
coffee? Things are starting to go right for the first time in a long
time. The stock market is back to nearly 11,000. First quarter earnings
data is coming out soon and the reports are that corporate profits for
the first quarter of the year are going to be very good. Business is
doing well. I guess you must be having another lousy quarter for your
business. Sorry to hear that. You might soon be a "taker" yourself. But
at least lots of other American businesses are doing very well, they are
flush with cash, and they are ready to do a lot of new mergers. The
economy is turning around. How is it that you so called business types
are the last to know? No wonder you don't know how to invest. You don't
even know which way the economy is going even when all the signs are
right there. You guys need to wake up. The problems were created when
republicans ran things. They are being solved now that Democrats are in
charge. Just like always.

Hawke
Current Account (billion $)
U.S. * -124.1
China *284.1

But everything is roses?

John B.

No, but why are you comparing the U.S. to China? China is the country
that has done the best of all during the worldwide economic slowdown.
You compare it to any other country and it makes the other look bad.
That's an old salesman's trick.

Certainly I used China - the country that is most likely to become the
new world economic leader. But here is the numbers for a little,
insignificant country, to compare.

GDP % change Y to Y change
U.S. * *+0.1
Thailand +5.3

Consumer Prices
U.S. * *+2.6
Thai * *+3.7

Industrial Production
U.S. * *+1.8
Thai * *+28.6

Unemployment (Rate)
*U.S. * 9.7
Thai * *1.4

Trade balance (B $)
U.S. * *-43..4
Thai * *+0.5

Yield (10 year Government Bond)
U.S. * *3.66
Thai * *4.07

Current Account (billion $)
U.S. * *-124.1
Thai * *+2.0





Is the stock market up over 4000 points in the last year? Are retail
sales up? Are the first quarter earnings reports coming out soon and are
they going to be very good? You can compare us to the best economy in
the world and make us look bad in comparison. But if you compare the
economic situation right now to what it was a year ago and if you look
at the economic predictions you see that the outlook is definitely
improving. I'm not saying the economy is booming yet. I'm saying the
indicators say it's on the way up, not down. And that we're much better
off now than a year ago. All in all that's not bad. So if you hear
people saying we're in the ****s it's simply not true. Last year it was
but not any more. It's real bad news for the republicans that things are
improving. They were hoping we would still be in a bad recession in
November so they could get reelected. Now it is looking more and more
like 2010 is going to be a good year, which bodes poorly for the right wing.

Hawke

The problem, and it does appear that many people do not realize, or
perhaps accept, that the U.S. essentially, through what can only be
termed mismanagement, has become a second class nation. With your high
cost of labor you have priced yourself out of the majority of the
world's market in the name of free trade, you engage in unpopular *and
in several cases unwinable wars, for nebulas, or falsified reasons,
you can't even agree on an equitable public health scheme.

Perhaps you aren't in "the ****" at the moment but you are on a
slippery slope and I see no indication that anything is going to
change.

I hesitate to use Thailand as an example but it does serve to
illustrate some of my arguments. In 2002 the Thai parliament passed
the "Thirty Baht Medical Scheme" which covers all Thai citizens
resident in Thailand. It provides totally free medical care for all
children up the age of 12 years and medical treatment, for 30 baht
(currently equal to $0.96), for those above the age of twelve.

This charge is on a visit by visit basis. In other words, if you have
a chronic illness you go to the hospital, pay your 30 baht and receive
a one month supply of medicine. Next month you will go back and pay an
additional 30 baht. Note that this is for any and all medicine and/or
treatment that you receive.

But everything is roses?

John B.

Uhmmm, nice story, John. You'd think that with numbers like that we
should all be running off to Thailand. But you left out something
rather significant: The average gross income in Thailand is $4500 per
year.
http://www.worldsalaries.org/thailand.shtml

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 06:50:55 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote:

On Mar 24, 11:37*pm, John wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:55:33 -0700, Hawke





wrote:
On 3/24/2010 7:27 AM, John wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:45:02 -0700, Hawke
*wrote:

On 3/23/2010 12:38 PM, Buerste wrote:
* wrote in message
news:Xns9D437977C3BA2duckrulestheuniverse@noma il.afraid.org...
wrote:

Give it a rest Gummer. *You lost, now get over it.

Waterloo
March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by David Frum

Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing
legislative defeat since the 1960s.
snip

Yep, the Party of *"Takers" has dealt a huge blow to the Party of
"Producers". *Since the "Takers" far outweigh the "Producers", the voting is
rather predictable. *However, how much can the "Takers" take from the
"Producers" before the well runs dry? *In time, the "Takers" won't be able
to tax, borrow or print money and the "Producers" will be broke from paying
all the new taxes. *On top of all of that, wealth creation in the US is
punished. *I congratulate you! *You DO get something for nothing...for a
little while...enjoy! *That dull roar you hear is jobs fleeing the country
faster than ever before. *Yep, CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Geez!, when are you right wing doomsayers going to wake up and smell the
coffee? Things are starting to go right for the first time in a long
time. The stock market is back to nearly 11,000. First quarter earnings
data is coming out soon and the reports are that corporate profits for
the first quarter of the year are going to be very good. Business is
doing well. I guess you must be having another lousy quarter for your
business. Sorry to hear that. You might soon be a "taker" yourself. But
at least lots of other American businesses are doing very well, they are
flush with cash, and they are ready to do a lot of new mergers. The
economy is turning around. How is it that you so called business types
are the last to know? No wonder you don't know how to invest. You don't
even know which way the economy is going even when all the signs are
right there. You guys need to wake up. The problems were created when
republicans ran things. They are being solved now that Democrats are in
charge. Just like always.

Hawke
Current Account (billion $)
U.S. * -124.1
China *284.1

But everything is roses?

John B.

No, but why are you comparing the U.S. to China? China is the country
that has done the best of all during the worldwide economic slowdown.
You compare it to any other country and it makes the other look bad.
That's an old salesman's trick.

Certainly I used China - the country that is most likely to become the
new world economic leader. But here is the numbers for a little,
insignificant country, to compare.

GDP % change Y to Y change
U.S. * *+0.1
Thailand +5.3

Consumer Prices
U.S. * *+2.6
Thai * *+3.7

Industrial Production
U.S. * *+1.8
Thai * *+28.6

Unemployment (Rate)
*U.S. * 9.7
Thai * *1.4

Trade balance (B $)
U.S. * *-43..4
Thai * *+0.5

Yield (10 year Government Bond)
U.S. * *3.66
Thai * *4.07

Current Account (billion $)
U.S. * *-124.1
Thai * *+2.0





Is the stock market up over 4000 points in the last year? Are retail
sales up? Are the first quarter earnings reports coming out soon and are
they going to be very good? You can compare us to the best economy in
the world and make us look bad in comparison. But if you compare the
economic situation right now to what it was a year ago and if you look
at the economic predictions you see that the outlook is definitely
improving. I'm not saying the economy is booming yet. I'm saying the
indicators say it's on the way up, not down. And that we're much better
off now than a year ago. All in all that's not bad. So if you hear
people saying we're in the ****s it's simply not true. Last year it was
but not any more. It's real bad news for the republicans that things are
improving. They were hoping we would still be in a bad recession in
November so they could get reelected. Now it is looking more and more
like 2010 is going to be a good year, which bodes poorly for the right wing.

Hawke

The problem, and it does appear that many people do not realize, or
perhaps accept, that the U.S. essentially, through what can only be
termed mismanagement, has become a second class nation. With your high
cost of labor you have priced yourself out of the majority of the
world's market in the name of free trade, you engage in unpopular *and
in several cases unwinable wars, for nebulas, or falsified reasons,
you can't even agree on an equitable public health scheme.

Perhaps you aren't in "the ****" at the moment but you are on a
slippery slope and I see no indication that anything is going to
change.

I hesitate to use Thailand as an example but it does serve to
illustrate some of my arguments. In 2002 the Thai parliament passed
the "Thirty Baht Medical Scheme" which covers all Thai citizens
resident in Thailand. It provides totally free medical care for all
children up the age of 12 years and medical treatment, for 30 baht
(currently equal to $0.96), for those above the age of twelve.

This charge is on a visit by visit basis. In other words, if you have
a chronic illness you go to the hospital, pay your 30 baht and receive
a one month supply of medicine. Next month you will go back and pay an
additional 30 baht. Note that this is for any and all medicine and/or
treatment that you receive.

But everything is roses?

John B.

Uhmmm, nice story, John. You'd think that with numbers like that we
should all be running off to Thailand. But you left out something
rather significant: The average gross income in Thailand is $4500 per
year.
http://www.worldsalaries.org/thailand.shtml

No, I don't advocate everyone running off to Thailand but it would be
nice to see a few facing reality.

In talking about average income you make a fundamental error - at
least you appear to equate a Thai's salary to living costs in the U.S.
While $375 a month undoubtedly seems like a tiny amount of money to
you there are multitudes of Thais who are quite happy to receive
11,000 baht a month.

John B.

I hesitate to use Thailand as an example but it does serve to
illustrate some of my arguments. In 2002 the Thai parliament passed
the "Thirty Baht Medical Scheme" which covers all Thai citizens
resident in Thailand. It provides totally free medical care for all
children up the age of 12 years and medical treatment, for 30 baht
(currently equal to $0.96), for those above the age of twelve.

This charge is on a visit by visit basis. In other words, if you have
a chronic illness you go to the hospital, pay your 30 baht and receive
a one month supply of medicine. Next month you will go back and pay an
additional 30 baht. Note that this is for any and all medicine and/or
treatment that you receive.

But everything is roses?

John B.

Everything isn't roses in the U.S. that's for sure. But for the first
time in years at least we are starting to move in the right direction
again. We are now starting to make some of the big changes that we need
to make to improve. Addressing our health care problems is a good first
step. Do we have a long way to go to get back to where we should be?
That's a big affirmative. But we're still a hell of a long way from
Thailand.

Hawke

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

Everything isn't roses in the U.S. that's for sure. But for the first time
in years at least we are starting to move in the right direction again. We
are now starting to make some of the big changes that we need to make to
improve. Addressing our health care problems is a good first step. Do we
have a long way to go to get back to where we should be? That's a big
affirmative. But we're still a hell of a long way from Thailand.

Hawke

Hey dip****! Where is the metalworking content in your post asshole-face?

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:21:02 -0700, Hawke
wrote:


I hesitate to use Thailand as an example but it does serve to
illustrate some of my arguments. In 2002 the Thai parliament passed
the "Thirty Baht Medical Scheme" which covers all Thai citizens
resident in Thailand. It provides totally free medical care for all
children up the age of 12 years and medical treatment, for 30 baht
(currently equal to $0.96), for those above the age of twelve.

This charge is on a visit by visit basis. In other words, if you have
a chronic illness you go to the hospital, pay your 30 baht and receive
a one month supply of medicine. Next month you will go back and pay an
additional 30 baht. Note that this is for any and all medicine and/or
treatment that you receive.

But everything is roses?

John B.

Everything isn't roses in the U.S. that's for sure. But for the first
time in years at least we are starting to move in the right direction
again. We are now starting to make some of the big changes that we need
to make to improve. Addressing our health care problems is a good first
step. Do we have a long way to go to get back to where we should be?
That's a big affirmative. But we're still a hell of a long way from
Thailand.

Hawke

You are correct, however I'm not sure whether the big changes are
reality, or just window dressing. Is the new health plan really going
to do much for the average working guy?

If he is working he probably has some sort of health plan already,
doesn't he? Every company I have worked for here in Asia has had
medical coverage, of some sort. The cheapest bunch had a company medic
at every site and would pay for all on-the-job injuries.

I haven't read the bill but from hearsay it seems to be mainly day
laborers and the unemployed. who will benefit.

..
John B.