Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.
No slips, no oopsies, no excuses. How doin', Gunner? G Raise them
cigibutt taxes, ya *******s, see if I care anymore. Smokers are a
minority so screw 'em, it's the American way regardless of party.
Party lines merely differ about which minorities should get screwed.

I've bought four nice handguns with the money I've not spent on butts
in the past year. The most recent was for Mary,her choice on her
permit, and she is already scarey good with it. Sig P232 if it
matters. I can't hit crap with it (yet) but it sure works for her.
The challenges and perils the likes of we must overcome now are
rather different than we faced during the '60's and '70's but no less
potentially lethal albeit somewhat quieter. Old dogs must learn new
tricks if we wanna become even older dogs. But it's still discipline.
Hike the brisk 3 miles every freakin' day. I don't have to like it, do
have to do it.
Hikes up and down range doesn't count: I march my miles before I load
up and go to the range for grins and giggles.

The cardio doc says I now have the cholesterol numbers of a
chimpanzee. He's too much of a gentleman to similarly comment on my
intellect or general demeanor... He's a well-bred Paki, luck of the
draw and damned good luck for me and we. We like him a lot. Good man.
Someone close to me got a bit out of sync, atrial fib doncha know, Dr.
B got that corrected with a single 200-joule shot. Bit of a bounce
but it got 'er done. You may know that 50 joules is quite sufficient
to vaporize the end of a good-sized screwdriver.

We're not subsisting on tofu and rabbitfodder by any means, just
being sensible most of the time. We're meateaters, carnivores to be
sure, counting fowl and fish as meat.

Don Foreman wrote:
Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.
No slips, no oopsies, no excuses.

Three attaboys, Don.

We hope to keep you around for many more decades.

--Winston

--

Don't *faff*, dear.

Don Foreman wrote:
Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.
No slips, no oopsies, no excuses. How doin', Gunner? G Raise them
cigibutt taxes, ya *******s, see if I care anymore.


Way to go Don!


I'm two years next month - no slips either.

Feels good to breathe, don't it?

On Sun, 10 May 2009 01:38:55 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.
No slips, no oopsies, no excuses. How doin', Gunner? G Raise them
cigibutt taxes, ya *******s, see if I care anymore. Smokers are a
minority so screw 'em, it's the American way regardless of party.
Party lines merely differ about which minorities should get screwed.

Bravo! Im at 8-10 smokes a day. Shrug..Unfortunately I live in a house
with 3 other adult smokers. I was off smokes totally for 3 weeks, then
came home and lasted almost another week.

Once the kids move out next month...Ill be off of them inside of 2
weeks. The ex can smoke outside.

I've bought four nice handguns with the money I've not spent on butts
in the past year. The most recent was for Mary,her choice on her
permit, and she is already scarey good with it. Sig P232 if it
matters. I can't hit crap with it (yet) but it sure works for her.
The challenges and perils the likes of we must overcome now are
rather different than we faced during the '60's and '70's but no less
potentially lethal albeit somewhat quieter. Old dogs must learn new
tricks if we wanna become even older dogs. But it's still discipline.
Hike the brisk 3 miles every freakin' day. I don't have to like it, do
have to do it.
Hikes up and down range doesn't count: I march my miles before I load
up and go to the range for grins and giggles.

The cardio doc says I now have the cholesterol numbers of a
chimpanzee. He's too much of a gentleman to similarly comment on my
intellect or general demeanor... He's a well-bred Paki, luck of the
draw and damned good luck for me and we. We like him a lot. Good man.
Someone close to me got a bit out of sync, atrial fib doncha know, Dr.
B got that corrected with a single 200-joule shot. Bit of a bounce
but it got 'er done. You may know that 50 joules is quite sufficient
to vaporize the end of a good-sized screwdriver.

We're not subsisting on tofu and rabbitfodder by any means, just
being sensible most of the time. We're meateaters, carnivores to be
sure, counting fowl and fish as meat.


Well done Sir..well done indeed!

Gunner


"Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with
minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing
clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do---
his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him.
The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies.
He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?"

NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.
No slips, no oopsies, no excuses. How doin', Gunner? G Raise them
cigibutt taxes, ya *******s, see if I care anymore. Smokers are a
minority so screw 'em, it's the American way regardless of party.
Party lines merely differ about which minorities should get screwed.

I've bought four nice handguns with the money I've not spent on butts
in the past year. The most recent was for Mary,her choice on her
permit, and she is already scarey good with it. Sig P232 if it
matters. I can't hit crap with it (yet) but it sure works for her.
The challenges and perils the likes of we must overcome now are
rather different than we faced during the '60's and '70's but no less
potentially lethal albeit somewhat quieter. Old dogs must learn new
tricks if we wanna become even older dogs. But it's still discipline.
Hike the brisk 3 miles every freakin' day. I don't have to like it, do
have to do it.
Hikes up and down range doesn't count: I march my miles before I load
up and go to the range for grins and giggles.

The cardio doc says I now have the cholesterol numbers of a
chimpanzee. He's too much of a gentleman to similarly comment on my
intellect or general demeanor... He's a well-bred Paki, luck of the
draw and damned good luck for me and we. We like him a lot. Good man.
Someone close to me got a bit out of sync, atrial fib doncha know, Dr.
B got that corrected with a single 200-joule shot. Bit of a bounce
but it got 'er done. You may know that 50 joules is quite sufficient
to vaporize the end of a good-sized screwdriver.

We're not subsisting on tofu and rabbitfodder by any means, just
being sensible most of the time. We're meateaters, carnivores to be
sure, counting fowl and fish as meat.

You're my hero! I remember quite well the support when I started to quit
smokes. I HAVE accumulated some gun cash but I cant get excited about
anything I don't already have. I don't have a .40 or a 10mm or a .50 for
that matter. Any ideas?

Don Foreman wrote:

Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.
No slips, no oopsies, no excuses.

Excellent. My anniversary was May 6th. This is one of those things where the first
anniversary is way more important than the 23rd. That goes for 1 day, 1 week, 1 month
anniversary's also.


How doin', Gunner? G Raise them
cigibutt taxes, ya *******s, see if I care anymore. Smokers are a
minority so screw 'em, it's the American way regardless of party.
Party lines merely differ about which minorities should get screwed.

Common Gunner, imagine the VC are thick, not moving, camped almost on top of you, you are
laying out there in your gilii suit with a pack of menthols that will be noticed if you
light up even if the bad guys are smoking.


I've bought four nice handguns with the money I've not spent on butts
in the past year. The most recent was for Mary,her choice on her
permit, and she is already scarey good with it. Sig P232 if it
matters. I can't hit crap with it (yet) but it sure works for her.
The challenges and perils the likes of we must overcome now are
rather different than we faced during the '60's and '70's but no less
potentially lethal albeit somewhat quieter. Old dogs must learn new
tricks if we wanna become even older dogs. But it's still discipline.
Hike the brisk 3 miles every freakin' day. I don't have to like it, do
have to do it.
Hikes up and down range doesn't count: I march my miles before I load
up and go to the range for grins and giggles.

You might want to look into rifles. Uncle likes to fire, check the target, walk back,
fire again. Good exercise. Keeps ammo costs down too.



We're not subsisting on tofu and rabbitfodder by any means, just
being sensible most of the time. We're meateaters, carnivores to be
sure, counting fowl and fish as meat.

Tofu and grass? Why stay alive. There is plenty of room for the taters next to a broiled
steak. Taters go good with chicken too.

Wes
--

"If I can not learn, I can not teach." Massad Ayoob

Don Foreman wrote:
Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.
No slips, no oopsies, no excuses. How doin', Gunner? G Raise them
cigibutt taxes, ya *******s, see if I care anymore. Smokers are a
minority so screw 'em, it's the American way regardless of party.
Party lines merely differ about which minorities should get screwed.

I've bought four nice handguns with the money I've not spent on butts
in the past year.

Four years on 3/21 for me , but I spend my I-quit-smokin' money on
computers and motorcycle stuff . Got enough guns ... guys at work are
continuously bitchin' about the cost of smokin' ... I just grin and go on .
--
Snag
And food tastes better !

Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.

Good on ya, Don. Did you catch a fish to celebrate? Official state holiday
you know.

FWIW, I had to quit SIX times. Next to last time had been a full two years -
I had a couple (well several) beers and then bummed a smoke. I was up to a
pack a day within a week. I'm up to 10 years this time - still would like a
smoke with my morning coffee - and i had to swear off the local pub too.

Karl

Don Foreman wrote:
Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.
No slips, no oopsies, no excuses. How doin', Gunner? G Raise them
cigibutt taxes, ya *******s, see if I care anymore. Smokers are a
minority so screw 'em, it's the American way regardless of party.
Party lines merely differ about which minorities should get screwed.

I've bought four nice handguns with the money I've not spent on butts
in the past year. The most recent was for Mary,her choice on her
permit, and she is already scarey good with it. Sig P232 if it
matters. I can't hit crap with it (yet) but it sure works for her.
The challenges and perils the likes of we must overcome now are
rather different than we faced during the '60's and '70's but no less
potentially lethal albeit somewhat quieter. Old dogs must learn new
tricks if we wanna become even older dogs. But it's still discipline.
Hike the brisk 3 miles every freakin' day. I don't have to like it, do
have to do it.
Hikes up and down range doesn't count: I march my miles before I load
up and go to the range for grins and giggles.

The cardio doc says I now have the cholesterol numbers of a
chimpanzee. He's too much of a gentleman to similarly comment on my
intellect or general demeanor... He's a well-bred Paki, luck of the
draw and damned good luck for me and we. We like him a lot. Good man.
Someone close to me got a bit out of sync, atrial fib doncha know, Dr.
B got that corrected with a single 200-joule shot. Bit of a bounce
but it got 'er done. You may know that 50 joules is quite sufficient
to vaporize the end of a good-sized screwdriver.

We're not subsisting on tofu and rabbitfodder by any means, just
being sensible most of the time. We're meateaters, carnivores to be
sure, counting fowl and fish as meat.

Good deal!
Had a girlfriend that made me quit smoking 15 years ago, she was the
best! Now if I pick up a conversation with a woman and smell ashtray, I
just turn around and walk away, no matter her looks or demeanor. My
exercise consists in riding a few hill climbs on my YZ250 every day on
my way to work. The shop is 1/2 mile from the house, and the hill climb
is the hard way around through the woods. Last gun purchase was a
browning over under for quail.
cheers
T.Alan

Heartiest congratulations, Don !! Hey, you're on for another dinner when the Delta Queen starts
running again up the big muddy.

And Wes - you too Buddy !! I didn't notice you being the least bit jumpy when we were at NAMES
going on 11 months since you broke free.

Bob Swinney
"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.
No slips, no oopsies, no excuses. How doin', Gunner? G Raise them
cigibutt taxes, ya *******s, see if I care anymore. Smokers are a
minority so screw 'em, it's the American way regardless of party.
Party lines merely differ about which minorities should get screwed.

I've bought four nice handguns with the money I've not spent on butts
in the past year. The most recent was for Mary,her choice on her
permit, and she is already scarey good with it. Sig P232 if it
matters. I can't hit crap with it (yet) but it sure works for her.
The challenges and perils the likes of we must overcome now are
rather different than we faced during the '60's and '70's but no less
potentially lethal albeit somewhat quieter. Old dogs must learn new
tricks if we wanna become even older dogs. But it's still discipline.
Hike the brisk 3 miles every freakin' day. I don't have to like it, do
have to do it.
Hikes up and down range doesn't count: I march my miles before I load
up and go to the range for grins and giggles.

The cardio doc says I now have the cholesterol numbers of a
chimpanzee. He's too much of a gentleman to similarly comment on my
intellect or general demeanor... He's a well-bred Paki, luck of the
draw and damned good luck for me and we. We like him a lot. Good man.
Someone close to me got a bit out of sync, atrial fib doncha know, Dr.
B got that corrected with a single 200-joule shot. Bit of a bounce
but it got 'er done. You may know that 50 joules is quite sufficient
to vaporize the end of a good-sized screwdriver.

We're not subsisting on tofu and rabbitfodder by any means, just
being sensible most of the time. We're meateaters, carnivores to be
sure, counting fowl and fish as meat.

On Sun, 10 May 2009 05:46:11 -0400, Wes wrote:


Hikes up and down range doesn't count: I march my miles before I load
up and go to the range for grins and giggles.

You might want to look into rifles. Uncle likes to fire, check the target, walk back,
fire again. Good exercise. Keeps ammo costs down too.

Yes, rifles indeed during the good-weather months. I often have the
range to myself on weekday afternoons. I get lots of mini-hikes (200
yd, 400 yd, etc). Also bring that little rubber prairiedog spinner and
a .22. Those things are unreasonably fun, particularly with two
shooters.

Tofu and grass? Why stay alive. There is plenty of room for the taters next to a broiled
steak. Taters go good with chicken too.

Roger that! We also like rice a lot. Basmati.

On Sun, 10 May 2009 05:42:39 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


You're my hero! I remember quite well the support when I started to quit
smokes. I HAVE accumulated some gun cash but I cant get excited about
anything I don't already have. I don't have a .40 or a 10mm or a .50 for
that matter. Any ideas?

Nope. Just occasional looking and handling gets it done for me. I
about never go looking for guns but once in a while a particular
piece jumps into my hand and persuades me to give it a good home.

On Sun, 10 May 2009 00:07:09 -0700, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following:

Don Foreman wrote:
Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.
No slips, no oopsies, no excuses.

Three attaboys, Don.

We hope to keep you around for many more decades.

Yeah, congrats and megadittoes what Winnie said, Don.
I've had 21 smoke-free years as of last Feb, never regretting one
single moment of it, and will have 24 sober years in July. No regrets
on either lifestyle change whatsoever.

--
No matter how cynical you are, it is impossible to keep up.
--Lily Tomlin

On Sun, 10 May 2009 05:42:39 -0400, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
.. .
Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.
No slips, no oopsies, no excuses. How doin', Gunner? G Raise them
cigibutt taxes, ya *******s, see if I care anymore. Smokers are a
minority so screw 'em, it's the American way regardless of party.
Party lines merely differ about which minorities should get screwed.

I've bought four nice handguns with the money I've not spent on butts
in the past year. The most recent was for Mary,her choice on her
permit, and she is already scarey good with it. Sig P232 if it
matters. I can't hit crap with it (yet) but it sure works for her.
The challenges and perils the likes of we must overcome now are
rather different than we faced during the '60's and '70's but no less
potentially lethal albeit somewhat quieter. Old dogs must learn new
tricks if we wanna become even older dogs. But it's still discipline.
Hike the brisk 3 miles every freakin' day. I don't have to like it, do
have to do it.
Hikes up and down range doesn't count: I march my miles before I load
up and go to the range for grins and giggles.

The cardio doc says I now have the cholesterol numbers of a
chimpanzee. He's too much of a gentleman to similarly comment on my
intellect or general demeanor... He's a well-bred Paki, luck of the
draw and damned good luck for me and we. We like him a lot. Good man.
Someone close to me got a bit out of sync, atrial fib doncha know, Dr.
B got that corrected with a single 200-joule shot. Bit of a bounce
but it got 'er done. You may know that 50 joules is quite sufficient
to vaporize the end of a good-sized screwdriver.

We're not subsisting on tofu and rabbitfodder by any means, just
being sensible most of the time. We're meateaters, carnivores to be
sure, counting fowl and fish as meat.

You're my hero! I remember quite well the support when I started to quit
smokes. I HAVE accumulated some gun cash but I cant get excited about
anything I don't already have. I don't have a .40 or a 10mm or a .50 for
that matter. Any ideas?

The Barrett M82A1A gets my energetic nod, Tawm. Oh, darn, that's for
military folks only. sigh I guess the M82A1 is civilianized, tho.
http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifle_82.aspx

Or howzbout their little AR style popgun, the 98B, in .338 Lapua?
Sweet!

--
No matter how cynical you are, it is impossible to keep up.
--Lily Tomlin

On Sun, 10 May 2009 08:04:30 -0500, the infamous "Terry Coombs"
scrawled the following:

Don Foreman wrote:
Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.
No slips, no oopsies, no excuses. How doin', Gunner? G Raise them
cigibutt taxes, ya *******s, see if I care anymore. Smokers are a
minority so screw 'em, it's the American way regardless of party.
Party lines merely differ about which minorities should get screwed.

I've bought four nice handguns with the money I've not spent on butts
in the past year.

Four years on 3/21 for me , but I spend my I-quit-smokin' money on
computers and motorcycle stuff . Got enough guns ... guys at work are
continuously bitchin' about the cost of smokin' ... I just grin and go on .

That's not fair! Cartons were only a few dollars when I quit so I
didn't get to buy large, expensive toys when I quit. waah!

--
No matter how cynical you are, it is impossible to keep up.
--Lily Tomlin

On Sun, 10 May 2009 11:53:40 -0500, the infamous Don Foreman
scrawled the following:

On Sun, 10 May 2009 05:46:11 -0400, Wes wrote:


Hikes up and down range doesn't count: I march my miles before I load
up and go to the range for grins and giggles.

You might want to look into rifles. Uncle likes to fire, check the target, walk back,
fire again. Good exercise. Keeps ammo costs down too.

Yes, rifles indeed during the good-weather months. I often have the
range to myself on weekday afternoons. I get lots of mini-hikes (200
yd, 400 yd, etc). Also bring that little rubber prairiedog spinner and
a .22. Those things are unreasonably fun, particularly with two
shooters.

Tofu and grass? Why stay alive. There is plenty of room for the taters next to a broiled
steak. Taters go good with chicken too.

Roger that! We also like rice a lot. Basmati.

Ditto the Basmati. If you have Trader Joe's near you, their Brown Rice
Medley is ta die for. It's brown rice, black barley, and dikon radish
seeds together. Scrumpdiddlyumptious!

--
No matter how cynical you are, it is impossible to keep up.
--Lily Tomlin

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 10 May 2009 08:04:30 -0500, the infamous "Terry Coombs"
scrawled the following:

Don Foreman wrote:
Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple
bypass. No slips, no oopsies, no excuses. How doin', Gunner? G
Raise them cigibutt taxes, ya *******s, see if I care anymore.
Smokers are a minority so screw 'em, it's the American way
regardless of party. Party lines merely differ about which
minorities should get screwed.

I've bought four nice handguns with the money I've not spent on
butts in the past year.

Four years on 3/21 for me , but I spend my I-quit-smokin' money on
computers and motorcycle stuff . Got enough guns ... guys at work are
continuously bitchin' about the cost of smokin' ... I just grin and
go on .

That's not fair! Cartons were only a few dollars when I quit so I
didn't get to buy large, expensive toys when I quit. waah!

Poor baby ! ! (LMAO)
--
Snag
every answer
leads to another
question

On May 10, 4:38 pm, Don Foreman wrote:
Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.
No slips, no oopsies, no excuses.

Good effort Don - after a year off the smokes, hope its getting
easier - I been off em for 6 weeks now, after going into cardiac
failure when they were cutting out a kidney tumor . Impaired lung
function due smoking, nothing in reserve. I reckon if your lucky, you
get one warning - if you ignore it, well, its your decision.

Haven t actually got the money saved from cigggys, I know its
significant, want to get more tooling - a target rifle would be nice,
but don't need another obsession.

Don, your doing the exercise stuff as well -good on ya! - haven't got
to that stage yet, still healing up from the surgery (buggerit!) ,
missing school time, lots of projects still to do but cant manage the
cutoff saw and manhandling lengths of steel. Cant lift things down
from the top shelves in the workshop.

Oh, and I gotta say this (sorry) - but I DID TELL YA YOU WOULD BE OK
WITH MIG WELDING.......in spite of the woozies here getting into facts/
figures/speculation.....

Take care mate,
Andrew VK3BFA

Larry Jaques wrote:

That's not fair! Cartons were only a few dollars when I quit so I
didn't get to buy large, expensive toys when I quit. waah!


LOL!

Going by today's prices, I got this in just two (and a half) years.

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/tempt.htm

On Sun, 10 May 2009 01:20:31 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 10 May 2009 01:38:55 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.
No slips, no oopsies, no excuses. How doin', Gunner? G Raise them
cigibutt taxes, ya *******s, see if I care anymore. Smokers are a
minority so screw 'em, it's the American way regardless of party.
Party lines merely differ about which minorities should get screwed.

Bravo! Im at 8-10 smokes a day. Shrug..Unfortunately I live in a house
with 3 other adult smokers. I was off smokes totally for 3 weeks, then
came home and lasted almost another week.

Once the kids move out next month...Ill be off of them inside of 2
weeks. The ex can smoke outside.

The kids are smoking in your house when they have been requested not
to? Do you need backup to explain "My roof, My rules"?

They either go outside for five minutes, or they go outside and stay
out permanently - simple choice.

-- Bruce --

On Sun, 10 May 2009 19:04:29 -0700, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:

On Sun, 10 May 2009 01:20:31 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 10 May 2009 01:38:55 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

Yesterday was my first smoke-free anniversary after quintuple bypass.
No slips, no oopsies, no excuses. How doin', Gunner? G Raise them
cigibutt taxes, ya *******s, see if I care anymore. Smokers are a
minority so screw 'em, it's the American way regardless of party.
Party lines merely differ about which minorities should get screwed.

Bravo! Im at 8-10 smokes a day. Shrug..Unfortunately I live in a house
with 3 other adult smokers. I was off smokes totally for 3 weeks, then
came home and lasted almost another week.

Once the kids move out next month...Ill be off of them inside of 2
weeks. The ex can smoke outside.

The kids are smoking in your house when they have been requested not
to? Do you need backup to explain "My roof, My rules"?

They either go outside for five minutes, or they go outside and stay
out permanently - simple choice.

-- Bruce --


Easy to say, nearly impossible to enforce. With luck, they will be
moving out next month.

Ive been keeping my smoking on a VERY short leash.

Gunner

"Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with
minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing
clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do---
his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him.
The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies.
He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?"

NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates

On Sun, 10 May 2009 12:00:32 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Sun, 10 May 2009 05:42:39 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


You're my hero! I remember quite well the support when I started to quit
smokes. I HAVE accumulated some gun cash but I cant get excited about
anything I don't already have. I don't have a .40 or a 10mm or a .50 for
that matter. Any ideas?

Nope. Just occasional looking and handling gets it done for me. I
about never go looking for guns but once in a while a particular
piece jumps into my hand and persuades me to give it a good home.

I thought about this some more, Tawm. My philosophy has been that
spending money formerly spent on butts (to my detriment) should now be
spent as rewards to help encourage me -- at least for awhile. I
decided that whatever I get should be fun and enjoyable. Frivolous
is not only OK, it's encouraged.

My first butt-money reward, bought last summer, was a Ruger Mark III
Hunter .22 pistol. We've had a LOT of fun with that and one of those
rubber spinner prairiedog targets that won the NRA Golden Bullseye
Accessory Of The Year. I wasn't looking for anything at the time,
just browsing a travelling display of Ruger and Springfield products
in a semi parked in a rural gunshop's lot for a day. When I picked up
that piece my grin moved my ears. Milady grinned too, said "go for
it, Foreman" so I did. Coulda bought an Elsie Pea for $250 that day
but I didn't fancy an Elsie Pea. Still don't. They're going for a
lot more now.

The second was a Ruger GP100, 4" barrel, in .357 Mag. I wasn't
looking for one of those at all but when we visited a shop we'd not
visited before and the gruff guy asked if there was anything we might
like to see, that popped into my head and out my mouth. Yeah he had
one, he found it and handed it to us. We already had a minty S&W
686-1 .357 with 6" barrel but the double-action trigger on this
Ruger was remarkable. Milady handled it, said something like "oh,
my, nice!" It followed us home. Since then, an experienced shooter
tried it and said the DA trigger on our Jeep is at least as good as
the one he owns that has had a professional trigger job. It's a lot of
fun to shoot, very accurate.

On Sun, 10 May 2009 22:31:45 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:


They either go outside for five minutes, or they go outside and stay
out permanently - simple choice.

-- Bruce --


Easy to say, nearly impossible to enforce.

Enforce? You can't enforce because you can't whup them, won't shoot
them and ken no other modes of motivation or leadership? What about
respect? You're in So Cal, not quite UP midwinter. How hard is it
for them to step out for a smoke? Who's in charge of your quarters?

Beyond that, their choices need not be yours. I was quite comfy
around smokers a month after my last butt. I enjoyed it. Since then,
my favorite smokers (my two adjacent neighbors, both shooters) have
quit, who knows why. Bummer, no more second-hand smoke for me.

On Mon, 11 May 2009 01:30:21 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Sun, 10 May 2009 22:31:45 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:


They either go outside for five minutes, or they go outside and stay
out permanently - simple choice.

-- Bruce --


Easy to say, nearly impossible to enforce.

Enforce? You can't enforce because you can't whup them, won't shoot
them and ken no other modes of motivation or leadership? What about
respect? You're in So Cal, not quite UP midwinter. How hard is it
for them to step out for a smoke? Who's in charge of your quarters?

Very good question. Obviously Im not in charge. I did try to enforce it
for a week. Got so much backflap I simply gave up and try to stay away
from them.

Beyond that, their choices need not be yours. I was quite comfy
around smokers a month after my last butt. I enjoyed it. Since then,
my favorite smokers (my two adjacent neighbors, both shooters) have
quit, who knows why. Bummer, no more second-hand smoke for me.

Shrug..I ALWAYs enjoyed smoking. Shrug. Each time I quit..once for 6
months..I still wanted a cig whenever I encountered one burning. Ive
been smoking since I was 14...45 yrs.

So all I can do is avoid smokers until the desire goes away.

The kids are moving out first of next month..the ex plans on quitting
when they leave..so with luck..all temptation goes away.

Oddly enough..its the only addiction Ive ever had. I dont care to drink,
do any sort of drugs etc etc, but its one thats well drilled into me.

So I smoke 6-10 a day..mostly 6-8..and keep on getting stronger each day
as I recover from the surgery and the stroke. Not what Id planned in
the slightest..but its the horse Im hooked to.

Ive had the best luck with hypnosis, thats what go me free of them for 6
months. I needed a follow up, but foolishly didnt go for one. If I have
to..Ill spend the money and get hypnotized again. And get the follow
up...get as many as needed.

Gunner


"Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with
minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing
clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do---
his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him.
The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies.
He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?"

NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates

On Mon, 11 May 2009 01:02:33 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:


Shrug..I ALWAYs enjoyed smoking. Shrug. Each time I quit..once for 6
months..I still wanted a cig whenever I encountered one burning. Ive
been smoking since I was 14...45 yrs.

So all I can do is avoid smokers until the desire goes away.

The kids are moving out first of next month..the ex plans on quitting
when they leave..so with luck..all temptation goes away.

Oddly enough..its the only addiction Ive ever had. I dont care to drink,
do any sort of drugs etc etc, but its one thats well drilled into me.

So I smoke 6-10 a day..mostly 6-8..and keep on getting stronger each day
as I recover from the surgery and the stroke. Not what Id planned in
the slightest..but its the horse Im hooked to.

Ive had the best luck with hypnosis, thats what go me free of them for 6
months. I needed a follow up, but foolishly didnt go for one. If I have
to..Ill spend the money and get hypnotized again. And get the follow
up...get as many as needed.

Gunner

Whatever works. I enjoyed smoking for 49 years. I quit a couple of
times but only for a few months each time. This time I used no aids
at all other than post-op misery that masked the minor matter of
wanting a smoke. No drugs, patches, gum, etc. I think the big
difference is that I wasn't really totally committed the other times.
This time I was. The doc made it real clear for me: quit RFN and
stay quit or die soon. I asked how soon. He said months, not years.
Oh! This was just before surgery. I told Mar to get rid of all
smoking materials before I got home, including the carton I'd just
bought that was still in the trunk of my car. And so she did, and
that was that.

I didn't say I quit wanting ... but that goes away in less than a
minute now and it's only a couple of times per day so no big deal.
Skeeter bites.

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on
or about Mon, 11 May 2009 01:02:33 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Easy to say, nearly impossible to enforce.

Enforce? You can't enforce because you can't whup them, won't shoot
them and ken no other modes of motivation or leadership? What about
respect? You're in So Cal, not quite UP midwinter. How hard is it
for them to step out for a smoke? Who's in charge of your quarters?

Very good question. Obviously Im not in charge. I did try to enforce it
for a week. Got so much backflap I simply gave up and try to stay away
from them.

Beyond that, their choices need not be yours. I was quite comfy
around smokers a month after my last butt. I enjoyed it. Since then,
my favorite smokers (my two adjacent neighbors, both shooters) have
quit, who knows why. Bummer, no more second-hand smoke for me.

Shrug..I ALWAYs enjoyed smoking. Shrug. Each time I quit..once for 6
months..I still wanted a cig whenever I encountered one burning. Ive
been smoking since I was 14...45 yrs.

It is easy to quit, I've done it several times.

I "seriously" smoked in High School, but quit when cigs went to
two bucks a carton.
But fifteen years later, faced with a balky compiler, I was out
the door to the computer room and slapping my pocket before I
remembered I'd quit fifteen years before.

Kicking the nicotine is tough enough, but it is the habits of the
hands which are the real challenge. Good luck

pyotr

-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!