http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i

Ignoramus20845 wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i

Is it just me, or does the paint chips on the picture of the Hyd
cylinder and linkage, look like the metal there buckled at some point?

Cheers
Trevor Jones

"Trevor Jones" wrote in message
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Ignoramus20845 wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i

Is it just me, or does the paint chips on the picture of the Hyd cylinder
and linkage, look like the metal there buckled at some point?

Cheers
Trevor Jones

It appears to me the axle has an extreme advantage over the cylinder and the
whole stroke of the cylinder is not used. The small bolt above the clevis on
the cylinder must be the pin that locks the mechanism for travel. I think
there is a good reason the trailer is for sale.
Steve

"Trevor Jones" wrote in message
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Ignoramus20845 wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i

Is it just me, or does the paint chips on the picture of the Hyd
cylinder and linkage, look like the metal there buckled at some point?

Cheers
Trevor Jones


Looks like a repair. If you look a bit further to the right you'll see
what looks like a weld bead on the same part.I would imagine that you
can't put to much weight in that trailer.

B

On 2008-04-04, Trevor Jones wrote:
Ignoramus20845 wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i

Is it just me, or does the paint chips on the picture of the Hyd
cylinder and linkage, look like the metal there buckled at some point?

It does, to me.

i

On 2008-04-04, Up North wrote:

"Trevor Jones" wrote in message
news:TtpJj.15728$pb5.4071@edtnps89...
Ignoramus20845 wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i

Is it just me, or does the paint chips on the picture of the Hyd cylinder
and linkage, look like the metal there buckled at some point?

Cheers
Trevor Jones

It appears to me the axle has an extreme advantage over the cylinder and the
whole stroke of the cylinder is not used. The small bolt above the clevis on
the cylinder must be the pin that locks the mechanism for travel. I think
there is a good reason the trailer is for sale.

I do not see how it can be locked at all?

i

On 2008-04-04, Backlash wrote:
The vending machine company in our area uses a trailer like that to deliver
some of it's large machines. It worked pretty darn well for it's purpose.
They rolled the machine out on a handtruck, right onto the trailer, lifted,
and off they went.

You know, after all the comments here, etc, I think that ramps and
winches are probaly a safer way to go.

i

Ignoramus20845 fired this volley
in :


You know, after all the comments here, etc, I think that ramps and
winches are probaly a safer way to go.

Iggy, I think the concept is safer, just not their execution. I'd rather
hand-truck a heavy item onto a ground-level platform than up a ramp.

Certainly, a trailer could be built that didn't have an 80:1 advantage
over the cylinders, and had a more positive means of locking the
assembly.

(It also appears that the trailer has no decent suspension, although it
might have those chewing gum torsion springs in the axle mounts).

LLoyd

On 2008-04-04, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus20845 fired this volley
in :


You know, after all the comments here, etc, I think that ramps and
winches are probaly a safer way to go.

Iggy, I think the concept is safer, just not their execution. I'd rather
hand-truck a heavy item onto a ground-level platform than up a ramp.

I winched a 1,000 lbs compressor off, and then on, my trailer, on a
wood cart on casters, worked just fine.

Also, a trailer could be tilted towards the back, by means as simple
as the rear wheels of the truck driving on a ramp.

Certainly, a trailer could be built that didn't have an 80:1 advantage
over the cylinders, and had a more positive means of locking the
assembly.

(It also appears that the trailer has no decent suspension, although it
might have those chewing gum torsion springs in the axle mounts).

I would like to know how to do it.

The idea is kind of cute, until one realizes that it is hard to have
any meaningful weight capacity.
i

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:49:55 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Trevor
Jones quickly quoth:

Ignoramus20845 wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i

Is it just me, or does the paint chips on the picture of the Hyd
cylinder and linkage, look like the metal there buckled at some point?

C'mon, guys. I pointed that out last week when the first post of that
link was shown here. Pay 'tennshun, boys.

--
Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what
to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity.
-- George S. Patton

The vending machine company in our area uses a trailer like that to deliver
some of it's large machines. It worked pretty darn well for it's purpose.
They rolled the machine out on a handtruck, right onto the trailer, lifted,
and off they went.

RJ


"Ignoramus20845" wrote in message
...
On 2008-04-04, Trevor Jones wrote:
Ignoramus20845 wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i

Is it just me, or does the paint chips on the picture of the Hyd
cylinder and linkage, look like the metal there buckled at some point?

It does, to me.

i

On Apr 4, 9:57 am, Ignoramus20845 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20845.invalid wrote:
On 2008-04-04, Backlash wrote:

The vending machine company in our area uses a trailer like that to deliver
some of it's large machines. It worked pretty darn well for it's purpose.
They rolled the machine out on a handtruck, right onto the trailer, lifted,
and off they went.

You know, after all the comments here, etc, I think that ramps and
winches are probaly a safer way to go.

i


If you built something like that, that did not need to go 'ground to
loading ramp' like that can, I think you could build something more
robust and with better weight capacity.

I wonder if there's an air resevoir somewhere in there to provide some
suspension in addition to the 'leg flex' suspension?

If you didn't need to go to dock height, you could omit the front
lifting mechanism as well.



Dave

The concept is fine, the execution of this one is terrible. Others have
mentioned the mechanical disadvantage on the cylinder, my first issue
was the long spider legs for the axle mounts. Think bending and twist on
the mount arms.

A well executed trailer that could go from essentially ground level to
dock height with an 18" deck height for transport would really be handy
for anyone who has do deal with truck freight shipments. Ramps have
their place but a 3000# crate is a bear to deal with on a ramp. And
pallet jacks and ramps do NOT mix.

Ignoramus20845 wrote:
On 2008-04-04, Backlash wrote:
The vending machine company in our area uses a trailer like that to deliver
some of it's large machines. It worked pretty darn well for it's purpose.
They rolled the machine out on a handtruck, right onto the trailer, lifted,
and off they went.

You know, after all the comments here, etc, I think that ramps and
winches are probaly a safer way to go.

i

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:23:06 -0500, Ignoramus20845
wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i
Only thing I'd do different is mount the pivots forward. I'd want a
trailing arm suspension, not leading arm so if a wheel jams etc the
trailer does not attempt to "launch" the load.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:23:06 -0500, Ignoramus20845
wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i

"Bill of sale only" - my translation WARNING: He doesn't have a
title slip, and may not have clear title. Do a little Caveat Emptor
and find out for sure before spending money...

Other than that, a drop bed trailer. I've seen them done better,
and with less risky drop suspension designs.

-- Bruce --

Ignoramus20845 wrote:
On 2008-04-04, Backlash wrote:

The vending machine company in our area uses a trailer like that to deliver
some of it's large machines. It worked pretty darn well for it's purpose.
They rolled the machine out on a handtruck, right onto the trailer, lifted,
and off they went.


You know, after all the comments here, etc, I think that ramps and
winches are probaly a safer way to go.

i

Good idea. Poor execution.

Needs a way to lock the wheels to the frame that does not rely on the
long moment arm acting on the lift shafts.

Maybe a shock absorbing system, betwen the lock point and the ground, too.

I susppect any damage done was due to overloading or overloading and
rough terrain both. Maybe a rated load and really rough ... Maybe.

Cheers
Trevor Jones

Ignoramus20845 wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i
What makes you think it's homemade?

"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:23:06 -0500, Ignoramus20845
wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i

"Bill of sale only" - my translation WARNING: He doesn't have a
title slip, and may not have clear title. Do a little Caveat Emptor
and find out for sure before spending money...


Many states do not require a title for a utility trailer. You state laws may
vary!
Greg

Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:23:06 -0500, Ignoramus20845
wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i

"Bill of sale only" - my translation WARNING: He doesn't have a
title slip, and may not have clear title. Do a little Caveat Emptor
and find out for sure before spending money...

Other than that, a drop bed trailer. I've seen them done better,
and with less risky drop suspension designs.

-- Bruce --


Seems it would be very hard on the hydraulics as well. O-rings probably really take a beating! Wonder how often the hydraulics have to be rebuilt....

In NC they usually stamp the serial number on the axle. What axle . . . In this case? Don't know where the Ser.# would go.

Can you imagine going down the highway at 70 mph, hitting a bump and rupturing an "O" ring?

A few months back I was going down I-85 and saw an 18-wheeler dragging his lift gate. He pulled over and a couple hours later I came back by. A DOT vehicle was there. To help? To inspect the vehicle? Who knows! Hydraulics do go out, thankfully the "let down" is not always instantaneous.

My experiences:

In NC, the numbers are required on the right rear of the axle, to be visible
when looking under the trailer from the rear, and also as close as possible
to the hitch area on the tongue of the trailer.

A homebuilt trailer number has to be applied for, usually beginning with
NCXxxxxxxx. Then that number is stamped in both places, and any law
enforcement officer can sign off on the form to verify it is indeed, a home
constructed unit, not stolen factory units. Used to be able to stamp a plate
and weld it on, now I hear the numbers have to be stamped into the parent
metal. I haven't had to blaze a title lately, though, so haven't verified
this latest.

RJ

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
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Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:23:06 -0500, Ignoramus20845
wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i

"Bill of sale only" - my translation WARNING: He doesn't have a
title slip, and may not have clear title. Do a little Caveat Emptor
and find out for sure before spending money... Other than that, a drop
bed trailer. I've seen them done better,
and with less risky drop suspension designs.

-- Bruce --


Seems it would be very hard on the hydraulics as well. O-rings probably
really take a beating! Wonder how often the hydraulics have to be
rebuilt....

In NC they usually stamp the serial number on the axle. What axle . . .
In this case? Don't know where the Ser.# would go.

Can you imagine going down the highway at 70 mph, hitting a bump and
rupturing an "O" ring?

A few months back I was going down I-85 and saw an 18-wheeler dragging his
lift gate. He pulled over and a couple hours later I came back by. A DOT
vehicle was there. To help? To inspect the vehicle? Who knows!
Hydraulics do go out, thankfully the "let down" is not always
instantaneous.

On 2008-04-05, Backlash wrote:
My experiences:

In NC, the numbers are required on the right rear of the axle, to be visible
when looking under the trailer from the rear, and also as close as possible
to the hitch area on the tongue of the trailer.

A homebuilt trailer number has to be applied for, usually beginning with
NCXxxxxxxx. Then that number is stamped in both places, and any law
enforcement officer can sign off on the form to verify it is indeed, a home
constructed unit, not stolen factory units. Used to be able to stamp a plate
and weld it on, now I hear the numbers have to be stamped into the parent
metal. I haven't had to blaze a title lately, though, so haven't verified
this latest.

For my trailer, all I had to do is swear that I built it. No one even
looked at it. I keep copies of receipts for parts, in the box mounted
on the trailer, just in case.

i

RJ

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
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Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:23:06 -0500, Ignoramus20845
wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i

"Bill of sale only" - my translation WARNING: He doesn't have a
title slip, and may not have clear title. Do a little Caveat Emptor
and find out for sure before spending money... Other than that, a drop
bed trailer. I've seen them done better,
and with less risky drop suspension designs.



Seems it would be very hard on the hydraulics as well. O-rings probably
really take a beating! Wonder how often the hydraulics have to be
rebuilt....

In NC they usually stamp the serial number on the axle. What axle . . .
In this case? Don't know where the Ser.# would go.

Can you imagine going down the highway at 70 mph, hitting a bump and
rupturing an "O" ring?

A few months back I was going down I-85 and saw an 18-wheeler dragging his
lift gate. He pulled over and a couple hours later I came back by. A DOT
vehicle was there. To help? To inspect the vehicle? Who knows!
Hydraulics do go out, thankfully the "let down" is not always
instantaneous.

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 12:33:44 +1300, Tom
wrote:

Ignoramus20845 wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i
What makes you think it's homemade?

It looks like it is based on this livestock trailer:

http://www.roosemfg.com/livestock/hog.html

"Roose Manufacturing Company is now in its 36th year of
business. During the past years, we have been in the
business of building quality agricultural, utility, and
industrial trailers for handling, cable, and innerduct
reels."

2090 Idaho Drive
Pella Iowa 50219
641-628-2529


--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
Remove no.spam for email

Al Patrick wrote:

Bruce L. Bergman wrote:

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:23:06 -0500, Ignoramus20845
wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem


Very smart concept.

i


"Bill of sale only" - my translation WARNING: He doesn't have a
title slip, and may not have clear title. Do a little Caveat Emptor
and find out for sure before spending money...
Other than that, a drop bed trailer. I've seen them done better,
and with less risky drop suspension designs.

-- Bruce --


Seems it would be very hard on the hydraulics as well. O-rings probably
really take a beating! Wonder how often the hydraulics have to be
rebuilt....

In NC they usually stamp the serial number on the axle. What axle . . .
In this case? Don't know where the Ser.# would go.

Can you imagine going down the highway at 70 mph, hitting a bump and
rupturing an "O" ring?

If you had a good look at the pix you would see that there is a swing
down stop on both sides that takes the load off the hydraulics in the
travel height position.

Tom

Leon Fisk wrote:

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 12:33:44 +1300, Tom
wrote:


Ignoramus20845 wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i

What makes you think it's homemade?


It looks like it is based on this livestock trailer:

http://www.roosemfg.com/livestock/hog.html

"Roose Manufacturing Company is now in its 36th year of
business. During the past years, we have been in the
business of building quality agricultural, utility, and
industrial trailers for handling, cable, and innerduct
reels."

2090 Idaho Drive
Pella Iowa 50219
641-628-2529


Well it does have the Roose name on it and the seller did
mention contacting the manufacturer who dated it and confirmed it
as custom made. Like I said, where did the "homemade" come from
Iggy?

Tom

On 2008-04-05, Tom wrote:
Leon Fisk wrote:

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 12:33:44 +1300, Tom
wrote:


Ignoramus20845 wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

i

What makes you think it's homemade?


It looks like it is based on this livestock trailer:

http://www.roosemfg.com/livestock/hog.html

"Roose Manufacturing Company is now in its 36th year of
business. During the past years, we have been in the
business of building quality agricultural, utility, and
industrial trailers for handling, cable, and innerduct
reels."

2090 Idaho Drive
Pella Iowa 50219
641-628-2529


Well it does have the Roose name on it and the seller did
mention contacting the manufacturer who dated it and confirmed it
as custom made. Like I said, where did the "homemade" come from
Iggy?

Tom

I was mistaken, I was wrong to call it homemade.

i

Tom wrote:
Al Patrick wrote:

Bruce L. Bergman wrote:

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:23:06 -0500, Ignoramus20845
wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem


Very smart concept.

i


"Bill of sale only" - my translation WARNING: He doesn't have a
title slip, and may not have clear title. Do a little Caveat Emptor
and find out for sure before spending money... Other than that, a
drop bed trailer. I've seen them done better,
and with less risky drop suspension designs.

-- Bruce --


Seems it would be very hard on the hydraulics as well. O-rings
probably really take a beating! Wonder how often the hydraulics have
to be rebuilt....

In NC they usually stamp the serial number on the axle. What axle . .
. In this case? Don't know where the Ser.# would go.

Can you imagine going down the highway at 70 mph, hitting a bump and
rupturing an "O" ring?

If you had a good look at the pix you would see that there is a swing
down stop on both sides that takes the load off the hydraulics in the
travel height position.

Tom

Great. I "looked" but must not have looked well enough. ;-) That should take care of the situation. Thanks for letting us know.

Al

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:30:56 GMT, "Greg O"
wrote:
"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:23:06 -0500, Ignoramus20845
wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.

"Bill of sale only" - my translation WARNING: He doesn't have a
title slip, and may not have clear title. Do a little Caveat Emptor
and find out for sure before spending money...

Many states do not require a title for a utility trailer. You state laws may
vary!

You cause the State to generate and issue a Certificate of Title and
a state-assigned VIN when you register a homemade trailer and present
receipts/bills of sale for the axle and other major components.

And you cause the State to generate and issue a Certificate of Title
when you register a factory built trailer and present a receipt or BOS
for the purchase of the trailer, the trailer manufacturer is supposed
to have already assigned a VIN number per Federal MVSS - and judging
from the maker's decals on the tailgate that's a factory made trailer.

This is all spelled out in interstate compacts on motor vehicle
registration and titling, drivers licenses, etc. All states do it
roughly the same way so a drivers license, vehicle registration or
Certificate Of Title from one state can be automatically accepted in
all states. Otherwise the paperwork you'd need to generate when you
make a simple move across state lines would be frightening.

Now if that trailer was operated off-road only and never titled and
registered for the road, or the seller was in a state that didn't
require registration of utility trailers (highly doubtful there are
many left, that's revenue they are throwing away) I can see where it
could be perfectly legit selling it without a proper title. But the
seller would have a BOS from the trailer builder (or sales lot) to
him, and more receipts if he wasn't the original buyer... Just a
single BOS from the 'seller in possession to you would not be enough
IMHO, there is no chain of custody proven.

It's still a big red flag that requires further investigation before
you send them a cashiers check. It's trivial to steal a trailer and
warm up Photoshop to generate a fake bill of sale.

You pay your money for the trailer in good faith and go to register
it, and the VIN number comes up as stolen on the other side of the
country. Say bye-bye to your money, and probably the trailer too.

-- Bruce --

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:37:34 -0700, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:



You pay your money for the trailer in good faith and go to register
it, and the VIN number comes up as stolen on the other side of the
country. Say bye-bye to your money, and probably the trailer too.

-- Bruce --
The same is true of a car. In Ontario there is something known as a
"sellers kit" that MUST be provided, theoretically by the seller, to
prove the ownership history of a "motor vehicle". In practice, the
buyer often pays the $20 to get it - and I would before putting money
down on a vehicle.
I HAVE bought vehicles without title in the past, before the sellers
kit came into existance, and there is a bit of red tape involved.

As for trailers in Ontario, they DO require registration, but the
plate is valid for the life of the original owner. HomeMade traler?
You just sign a statement that you built it (or had it built) and it
is registered.

You buy an old trailer with no title? You fix it up and register it as
a homebuilt if the stick-on serial number tag is no longer there.
Buy a "trailer kit" from Walmart or wherever?
Bolt it together and register it as whatever the label says, or weld
it together with some modifications, peel off the sticker and register
it as homebuilt.
With the used trailer, do your due dilligence and if the deal smells
walk away - because if they can prove it is stolen, you are DONE.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

I once bought a boat on trailer at an estate sale. The boat was 12 ft,
IIRC, in a good shape but it was not anything of real value. I paid
$120.

http://igor.chudov.com/projects/12-f...raft-Seafarer/

Due to my naivety, I accepted the seller's excuses for not having a
title and bought the boat. I do not suspect any foul play, the money
involved does not warrant any fraud, the story was that the deceased
did not leave a title that the heirs could find.

What I then found, was that I had to get a title for it and the
trailer (a vehicle in IL). Otherwise it would not be registered and I
could get fined for operating an unregistered boat.

Finding out how to get titles was very painful and in the end, after
about a year I realized that it would be an endless nightmare and
maybe $200 in fees by the time I am done, if ever.

I ended up selling it to someone else, with full explanation for not
having a title, for just $300. (considering that I also bought oars it
was not much of a profit)

i

Not true for utility trailer classification in various states including
Minnesota. We get a permanent registration, no license plate, and no
title for the smaller trailers. Larger ones go by the usual interstate
rules.

Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:30:56 GMT, "Greg O"
wrote:
"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:23:06 -0500, Ignoramus20845
wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_...QQcmdZViewItem

Very smart concept.
"Bill of sale only" - my translation WARNING: He doesn't have a
title slip, and may not have clear title. Do a little Caveat Emptor
and find out for sure before spending money...
Many states do not require a title for a utility trailer. You state laws may
vary!

You cause the State to generate and issue a Certificate of Title and
a state-assigned VIN when you register a homemade trailer and present
receipts/bills of sale for the axle and other major components.

And you cause the State to generate and issue a Certificate of Title
when you register a factory built trailer and present a receipt or BOS
for the purchase of the trailer, the trailer manufacturer is supposed
to have already assigned a VIN number per Federal MVSS - and judging
from the maker's decals on the tailgate that's a factory made trailer.

This is all spelled out in interstate compacts on motor vehicle
registration and titling, drivers licenses, etc. All states do it
roughly the same way so a drivers license, vehicle registration or
Certificate Of Title from one state can be automatically accepted in
all states. Otherwise the paperwork you'd need to generate when you
make a simple move across state lines would be frightening.

Now if that trailer was operated off-road only and never titled and
registered for the road, or the seller was in a state that didn't
require registration of utility trailers (highly doubtful there are
many left, that's revenue they are throwing away) I can see where it
could be perfectly legit selling it without a proper title. But the
seller would have a BOS from the trailer builder (or sales lot) to
him, and more receipts if he wasn't the original buyer... Just a
single BOS from the 'seller in possession to you would not be enough
IMHO, there is no chain of custody proven.

It's still a big red flag that requires further investigation before
you send them a cashiers check. It's trivial to steal a trailer and
warm up Photoshop to generate a fake bill of sale.

You pay your money for the trailer in good faith and go to register
it, and the VIN number comes up as stolen on the other side of the
country. Say bye-bye to your money, and probably the trailer too.

-- Bruce --