Going tomorrow to look at a 10 year old Lincoln Machine (I think Lincoln).
Guy says he bought it at Canadian Tire 10 years ago for 700.00 bux? Does
this sound right?
Anyway, guy says he only used it like 5 times cause he hurt his back shortly
after buying the machine and has been out of work ever since on disability.
The guy wants 350.00 for it? He said it was a 110 volt, 100 or 120 amp, has
extra Full Wheel of .030 wire (paid 100 bux for).

Am I getting ripped or should I offer lower? It's a 10 year old machine!!!
Ohh yeah, I'm a 1st year apprentice welder, so this would be a good machine
for me to start with. I already have a 70 amp Arc Machine.

Thanks.

--
Steve
Get Paid to autosurf
http://4daily.com/?ref=116136

Lucifer wrote:
Going tomorrow to look at a 10 year old Lincoln Machine (I think Lincoln).
Guy says he bought it at Canadian Tire 10 years ago for 700.00 bux? Does
this sound right?
Anyway, guy says he only used it like 5 times cause he hurt his back shortly
after buying the machine and has been out of work ever since on disability.
The guy wants 350.00 for it? He said it was a 110 volt, 100 or 120 amp, has
extra Full Wheel of .030 wire (paid 100 bux for).

Am I getting ripped or should I offer lower? It's a 10 year old machine!!!
Ohh yeah, I'm a 1st year apprentice welder, so this would be a good machine
for me to start with. I already have a 70 amp Arc Machine.

Thanks.

would figure that one 110VAC input machine to be enough...

"Lucifer" wrote in message
...
Going tomorrow to look at a 10 year old Lincoln Machine (I think Lincoln).
Guy says he bought it at Canadian Tire 10 years ago for 700.00 bux? Does
this sound right?
Anyway, guy says he only used it like 5 times cause he hurt his back
shortly
after buying the machine and has been out of work ever since on
disability.
The guy wants 350.00 for it? He said it was a 110 volt, 100 or 120 amp,
has
extra Full Wheel of .030 wire (paid 100 bux for).

Am I getting ripped or should I offer lower? It's a 10 year old
machine!!!
Ohh yeah, I'm a 1st year apprentice welder, so this would be a good
machine
for me to start with. I already have a 70 amp Arc Machine.

Thanks.

--
Steve
Get Paid to autosurf
http://4daily.com/?ref=116136


Man that's a lot of money for a 110V MIG. What's the model number? As for
the wire, I know things are sometimes a little more expensive in the great
white north, but even flux core wire normally doesn't cost much over $30 at
the most expensive places, unless it's something really exotic like
Stainless flux core. It's probably a Lincoln Weld Pac 100 or 120 and they
are OK but they only cost around $300-$350 new at the most ten years ago
IIRC. I have one that I use just for steel, running CO2 gas. It does all
right, but I use my bigger MIG with argon or my TIG, for welding anything
else. I hardly ever use a arc welder unless I am just hacking at some really
rusty, dirty, oily, or painted metal.

Lucifer wrote:
Going tomorrow to look at a 10 year old Lincoln Machine (I think Lincoln).
Guy says he bought it at Canadian Tire 10 years ago for 700.00 bux? Does
this sound right?
Anyway, guy says he only used it like 5 times cause he hurt his back shortly
after buying the machine and has been out of work ever since on disability.
The guy wants 350.00 for it? He said it was a 110 volt, 100 or 120 amp, has
extra Full Wheel of .030 wire (paid 100 bux for).

Am I getting ripped or should I offer lower? It's a 10 year old machine!!!
Ohh yeah, I'm a 1st year apprentice welder, so this would be a good machine
for me to start with. I already have a 70 amp Arc Machine.

Thanks.


Sounds like a lot of money to me.

John

--
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"Lucifer" wrote in message
...
Going tomorrow to look at a 10 year old Lincoln Machine (I think Lincoln).
Guy says he bought it at Canadian Tire 10 years ago for 700.00 bux? Does
this sound right?
Anyway, guy says he only used it like 5 times cause he hurt his back
shortly after buying the machine and has been out of work ever since on
disability.
The guy wants 350.00 for it? He said it was a 110 volt, 100 or 120 amp,
has extra Full Wheel of .030 wire (paid 100 bux for).

Am I getting ripped or should I offer lower? It's a 10 year old
machine!!!
Ohh yeah, I'm a 1st year apprentice welder, so this would be a good
machine for me to start with. I already have a 70 amp Arc Machine.

Thanks.

--
Steve
Get Paid to autosurf
http://4daily.com/?ref=116136

"Lucifer" wrote in message
...
Going tomorrow to look at a 10 year old Lincoln Machine (I think Lincoln).
Guy says he bought it at Canadian Tire 10 years ago for 700.00 bux? Does
this sound right?

Sounds smelly to me. A 220 machine would not have been a lot more than
that.

For a ten year old machine with bottle, regulator, and all thrown in, I
would give no more than $200. You can get a new one for a little more than
he wants for this ten year old machine.

Steve

"SteveB" wrote in message
news:9N6ve.4215$8o.1245@fed1read03...
Sounds smelly to me. A 220 machine would not have been a lot more than
that.

For a ten year old machine with bottle, regulator, and all thrown in, I
would give no more than $200. You can get a new one for a little more
than
he wants for this ten year old machine.


$200 US wont even buy a roller kit for my 400 amp esab migs.

--

SVL

Lucifer wrote:

Going tomorrow to look at a 10 year old Lincoln Machine (I think Lincoln).
Guy says he bought it at Canadian Tire 10 years ago for 700.00 bux? Does
this sound right? ...

Can't tell. Find the exact make & model, is tank included, and get back
to us.

Bob

"Lucifer" wrote in message
...
Going tomorrow to look at a 10 year old Lincoln Machine (I think Lincoln).
Guy says he bought it at Canadian Tire 10 years ago for 700.00 bux? Does
this sound right?


Get the model and look here to see what it may be worth.
http://www.canadiantire.ca
At least you can find out what the new price is.
Also, he claims he paid $100 for a roll of wire? I smell something fishy!
$350 Canadian is the very high end of what I would pay if it is pristine
condition. If it looks used value goes down accordingly. If it is all beat
up, walk away.
Greg

Whoops.. I meant ot say that I sold my one year old SP135+ for a about #350
US. With wire and an aluminum kit... The price for a seven year old
machine seems steep.

Peter
www.MachinedThings.net

"Lucifer" wrote in message
...
Going tomorrow to look at a 10 year old Lincoln Machine (I think
Lincoln). Guy says he bought it at Canadian Tire 10 years ago for 700.00
bux? Does this sound right?
Anyway, guy says he only used it like 5 times cause he hurt his back
shortly after buying the machine and has been out of work ever since on
disability.
The guy wants 350.00 for it? He said it was a 110 volt, 100 or 120 amp,
has extra Full Wheel of .030 wire (paid 100 bux for).

Lucifer wrote:

Going tomorrow to look at a 10 year old Lincoln Machine (I think Lincoln).
Guy says he bought it at Canadian Tire 10 years ago for 700.00 bux? Does
this sound right?
Anyway, guy says he only used it like 5 times cause he hurt his back shortly
after buying the machine and has been out of work ever since on disability.
The guy wants 350.00 for it? He said it was a 110 volt, 100 or 120 amp, has
extra Full Wheel of .030 wire (paid 100 bux for).

Am I getting ripped or should I offer lower? It's a 10 year old machine!!!
Ohh yeah, I'm a 1st year apprentice welder, so this would be a good machine
for me to start with. I already have a 70 amp Arc Machine.

Thanks.

--
Steve
Get Paid to autosurf
http://4daily.com/?ref=116136

I paid $125 CDN for an older Weld Pack 100 Lincoln that looked pretty
rough. It came with the gas kit, but no tank. Spent another $60 on it
for rollers and new liners, and a full complement of new ball bearings
for the feeder mechanism (same bearings as used on roller blade wheels).
While I was at he dealer, he said that they still had the service
manuals for the older machines, so now I have the circuit diagrams and
troubleshooting info as well. I am running flux core for the little bit
I use the welder, and it serves well.

$700 seems more in line with a new price for a 220v machine ten years
ago. $100 for a spool of wire! It had better weigh more than the welder
for that kind of money. The small spools of plain wire are about $10 or
a bit less, and the flux core is about twice that.

For an appretice welder, I would suggest that you keep looking until
you find a decent AC/DC stick machine that you can run off a dryer plug
or stove plug.

Cheers
Trevor Jones

"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" wrote in message
news:9N6ve.4215$8o.1245@fed1read03...
Sounds smelly to me. A 220 machine would not have been a lot more than
that.

For a ten year old machine with bottle, regulator, and all thrown in, I
would give no more than $200. You can get a new one for a little more
than
he wants for this ten year old machine.


$200 US wont even buy a roller kit for my 400 amp esab migs.

--

SVL

OK what's your point? Or are you just showing off? The only things in
common between your 400 amp esab migs and the one we are discussing is that
they are both MIG welders and use electricity.

I recently paid $550 for a Millermatic 250 with an M-sized C25 (25% CO2, 75%
argon) tank. $350 for a little 110v machine sounds nuts to me. But I know some
guys use those for welding sheet metal a lot.

GWE

Trevor Jones wrote:

Lucifer wrote:

Going tomorrow to look at a 10 year old Lincoln Machine (I think Lincoln).
Guy says he bought it at Canadian Tire 10 years ago for 700.00 bux? Does
this sound right?
Anyway, guy says he only used it like 5 times cause he hurt his back shortly
after buying the machine and has been out of work ever since on disability.
The guy wants 350.00 for it? He said it was a 110 volt, 100 or 120 amp, has
extra Full Wheel of .030 wire (paid 100 bux for).

Am I getting ripped or should I offer lower? It's a 10 year old machine!!!
Ohh yeah, I'm a 1st year apprentice welder, so this would be a good machine
for me to start with. I already have a 70 amp Arc Machine.

Thanks.

--
Steve
Get Paid to autosurf
http://4daily.com/?ref=116136


I paid $125 CDN for an older Weld Pack 100 Lincoln that looked pretty
rough. It came with the gas kit, but no tank. Spent another $60 on it
for rollers and new liners, and a full complement of new ball bearings
for the feeder mechanism (same bearings as used on roller blade wheels).
While I was at he dealer, he said that they still had the service
manuals for the older machines, so now I have the circuit diagrams and
troubleshooting info as well. I am running flux core for the little bit
I use the welder, and it serves well.

$700 seems more in line with a new price for a 220v machine ten years
ago. $100 for a spool of wire! It had better weigh more than the welder
for that kind of money. The small spools of plain wire are about $10 or
a bit less, and the flux core is about twice that.

For an appretice welder, I would suggest that you keep looking until
you find a decent AC/DC stick machine that you can run off a dryer plug
or stove plug.

Cheers
Trevor Jones

"Diamond Jim" wrote in message
m...

"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" wrote in message
news:9N6ve.4215$8o.1245@fed1read03...
Sounds smelly to me. A 220 machine would not have been a lot more than
that.

For a ten year old machine with bottle, regulator, and all thrown in, I
would give no more than $200. You can get a new one for a little more
than
he wants for this ten year old machine.


$200 US wont even buy a roller kit for my 400 amp esab migs.

--

SVL

OK what's your point? Or are you just showing off? The only things in
common between your 400 amp esab migs and the one we are discussing is
that
they are both MIG welders and use electricity.



And have rollers.

steve ;-)

"Diamond Jim" wrote in message
m...

"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" wrote in message
news:9N6ve.4215$8o.1245@fed1read03...
Sounds smelly to me. A 220 machine would not have been a lot more
than
that.

For a ten year old machine with bottle, regulator, and all thrown in,
I
would give no more than $200. You can get a new one for a little more
than
he wants for this ten year old machine.


$200 US wont even buy a roller kit for my 400 amp esab migs.

--

SVL

OK what's your point? Or are you just showing off? The only things in
common between your 400 amp esab migs and the one we are discussing is
that
they are both MIG welders and use electricity.


Oops..forgot to mention the welders themselves were $100.00 at auction.

And now here's something for the OP :

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=6271

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SVL

PrecisionMachinisT wrote:




Oops..forgot to mention the welders themselves were $100.00 at auction.

Must be everyone else at the auction knew the price of the parts for the
things;D


And now here's something for the OP :

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=6271

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SVL

"JohnM" wrote in message
...

Oops..forgot to mention the welders themselves were $100.00 at auction.

And now here's something for the OP :

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=6271


Must be everyone else at the auction knew the price of the parts for the
things;D


No **** !!!--(but they make excellent stick-welders as is)...wink

I was just giving some points of reference is all....

Prices seem to be all across the board--with used gear, mostly it depends on
how much someone is willing to pay for it on a whim, balanced against what
someone else will accept for it when they're currently in distress.

--

SVL

PrecisionMachinisT wrote:
"JohnM" wrote in message
...

Oops..forgot to mention the welders themselves were $100.00 at auction.

And now here's something for the OP :

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=6271


Must be everyone else at the auction knew the price of the parts for the
things;D



No **** !!!--(but they make excellent stick-welders as is)...wink

Sure 'nuff. That's a cheap enough stick welder..


I was just giving some points of reference is all....

Prices seem to be all across the board--with used gear, mostly it depends on
how much someone is willing to pay for it on a whim, balanced against what
someone else will accept for it when they're currently in distress.

Heh.. hate it when I need something and I can tell the ******* that has
it can tell I need it..


--

SVL

I figure I've bought my one new welder for this lifetime, the rest are
used and I don't mind it a bit. I'd like to try one of those Esabs
you've got, seems Earnie spoke highly of them. I'm all in favor of
buying used equipment, let the big guy who can't realistically keep and
maintain it get his use and then I'll take it for as long as I can keep
it alive, hopefully that'll be as long as I can totter around and use it..

John

"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote in message
news


Prices seem to be all across the board--with used gear, mostly it depends
on
how much someone is willing to pay for it on a whim, balanced against what
someone else will accept for it when they're currently in distress.



Depends on local availability too.
I do some wood dorking. Around here used wood working tools bring damn near
new price. Seems strange when we have a few good suppliers of tools, plus
the large chain store home centers too.

I have not shopped used metal working tools, but I see little for sale in
the local paper, plus I have people offer to buy my stuff all the time! (I
am not selling!)
Greg

If the welder is one of the original SP-100 models it is the
equivalent of the current SP-135. Check the service manuals on the
Lincoln Electric website. They will help you identify the welder.

The original SP-100 is a solid 110v MIG with a good duty cycle for
this type of welder. It's possible that the build quality is a bit
better than the SP-135 but I haven't checked.

The price is a little high but only a little. If it has really only
been used 5 time in 10 years it should look brand new.

I wouldn't challenge the seller on the price of the welder but I would
ask him if he would sell it without the $100C roll of wire. In fact,
..030" hard wire isn't very useful, generally, in this welder. You
would be better off with .023".

Obviously, I'm pretty happy with my SP-100, which dates from around
1990.

Cheers,

Kelley

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:12:54 -0230, "Lucifer"
wrote:

Going tomorrow to look at a 10 year old Lincoln Machine (I think Lincoln).
Guy says he bought it at Canadian Tire 10 years ago for 700.00 bux? Does
this sound right?
Anyway, guy says he only used it like 5 times cause he hurt his back shortly
after buying the machine and has been out of work ever since on disability.
The guy wants 350.00 for it? He said it was a 110 volt, 100 or 120 amp, has
extra Full Wheel of .030 wire (paid 100 bux for).

Am I getting ripped or should I offer lower? It's a 10 year old machine!!!
Ohh yeah, I'm a 1st year apprentice welder, so this would be a good machine
for me to start with. I already have a 70 amp Arc Machine.

Thanks.

"Kelley Mascher" wrote in message
...
If the welder is one of the original SP-100 models it is the
equivalent of the current SP-135. Check the service manuals on the
Lincoln Electric website. They will help you identify the welder.

The original SP-100 is a solid 110v MIG with a good duty cycle for
this type of welder. It's possible that the build quality is a bit
better than the SP-135 but I haven't checked.

The price is a little high but only a little. If it has really only
been used 5 time in 10 years it should look brand new.

I wouldn't challenge the seller on the price of the welder but I would
ask him if he would sell it without the $100C roll of wire. In fact,
.030" hard wire isn't very useful, generally, in this welder. You
would be better off with .023".

Obviously, I'm pretty happy with my SP-100, which dates from around
1990.

Cheers,

Kelley

I checked today, as I thought it was bigger but my small MIG is a SP100 from
back in the mid to early 80's at least. I bought it used in '92, from the 2d
owner who had it 7 years. And its a good'en, still in great shape even
though the paint has faded to a kind of pinkish color instead of the
original bright red. It will handle .035 hard or flux cored wire easy. In
fact with this size wire I can easily get burn through on 1/8" steel, if I
don't keep it moving. This is on "D-3" setting. It won't feed aluminum wire
worth a damn even with a Teflon liner, and new rollers, but it makes some
hell of beautiful welds with mix and stainless wire or CO2 and flux cored.
Heck I have used it with CO2, and flux cored wire to bridge some big gaps
using old 1/8th and 3/32d, 6010 and 6011 rods with damp flaking flux on them
for filler.

Of course the secret is to have a good power source. I have 440v ran to my
shop, then break it down to 220v going to five outlet boxes, each with its
own run of 8 gage wire. At the outlet boxes I have one 220v 50amp, one 120v
20amp, and one 120v15amp outlet. My lathe, mill, band saw, grinder and air
compressor are all hard wired to a different circuit. This keeps voltage
drops to a minimum. Of course I have to pay a little extra for three meters.
(House, boat/wood/welding shop, and machine shop w/central Air.) But it is
worth it, with good power everything works like it is supposed to.

440volts? No transformer??

Diamond Jim wrote:
"Kelley Mascher" wrote in message
...

If the welder is one of the original SP-100 models it is the
equivalent of the current SP-135. Check the service manuals on the
Lincoln Electric website. They will help you identify the welder.

The original SP-100 is a solid 110v MIG with a good duty cycle for
this type of welder. It's possible that the build quality is a bit
better than the SP-135 but I haven't checked.

The price is a little high but only a little. If it has really only
been used 5 time in 10 years it should look brand new.

I wouldn't challenge the seller on the price of the welder but I would
ask him if he would sell it without the $100C roll of wire. In fact,
.030" hard wire isn't very useful, generally, in this welder. You
would be better off with .023".

Obviously, I'm pretty happy with my SP-100, which dates from around
1990.

Cheers,

Kelley


I checked today, as I thought it was bigger but my small MIG is a SP100 from
back in the mid to early 80's at least. I bought it used in '92, from the 2d
owner who had it 7 years. And its a good'en, still in great shape even
though the paint has faded to a kind of pinkish color instead of the
original bright red. It will handle .035 hard or flux cored wire easy. In
fact with this size wire I can easily get burn through on 1/8" steel, if I
don't keep it moving. This is on "D-3" setting. It won't feed aluminum wire
worth a damn even with a Teflon liner, and new rollers, but it makes some
hell of beautiful welds with mix and stainless wire or CO2 and flux cored.
Heck I have used it with CO2, and flux cored wire to bridge some big gaps
using old 1/8th and 3/32d, 6010 and 6011 rods with damp flaking flux on them
for filler.

Of course the secret is to have a good power source. I have 440v ran to my
shop, then break it down to 220v going to five outlet boxes, each with its
own run of 8 gage wire. At the outlet boxes I have one 220v 50amp, one 120v
20amp, and one 120v15amp outlet. My lathe, mill, band saw, grinder and air
compressor are all hard wired to a different circuit. This keeps voltage
drops to a minimum. Of course I have to pay a little extra for three meters.
(House, boat/wood/welding shop, and machine shop w/central Air.) But it is
worth it, with good power everything works like it is supposed to.

The transformer is on the side of the building. We are members of a very
small electric co-op.We didn't get electricity until 1960, and phone service
until 1965. Up until about 15 years ago all of our electricity was generated
by diesel generators. The first two were surplus from some kind of navy
ship. Power used to go off at 11 pm and come back on at 5 am for the first
few years. In 1990 they finally laid a cable to the island and hooked the
co-op up to the power grid when they built a bridge. Before that everything
came by boat. And then we had to threatened them with lawsuits, as they said
the co-op wasn't big enough and we would have to sign up a individual
customers and they wanted a young fortune, saying that everything had to be
re-done to their specs. Heck we just got cable TV (after the first week
there is nothing on worth watching) and our first cell phone tower.


"RoyJ" wrote in message
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440volts? No transformer??

Diamond Jim wrote:
"Kelley Mascher" wrote in message
...

If the welder is one of the original SP-100 models it is the
equivalent of the current SP-135. Check the service manuals on the
Lincoln Electric website. They will help you identify the welder.

The original SP-100 is a solid 110v MIG with a good duty cycle for
this type of welder. It's possible that the build quality is a bit
better than the SP-135 but I haven't checked.

The price is a little high but only a little. If it has really only
been used 5 time in 10 years it should look brand new.

I wouldn't challenge the seller on the price of the welder but I would
ask him if he would sell it without the $100C roll of wire. In fact,
.030" hard wire isn't very useful, generally, in this welder. You
would be better off with .023".

Obviously, I'm pretty happy with my SP-100, which dates from around
1990.

Cheers,

Kelley


I checked today, as I thought it was bigger but my small MIG is a SP100
from
back in the mid to early 80's at least. I bought it used in '92, from
the 2d
owner who had it 7 years. And its a good'en, still in great shape even
though the paint has faded to a kind of pinkish color instead of the
original bright red. It will handle .035 hard or flux cored wire easy.
In
fact with this size wire I can easily get burn through on 1/8" steel, if
I
don't keep it moving. This is on "D-3" setting. It won't feed aluminum
wire
worth a damn even with a Teflon liner, and new rollers, but it makes
some
hell of beautiful welds with mix and stainless wire or CO2 and flux
cored.
Heck I have used it with CO2, and flux cored wire to bridge some big
gaps
using old 1/8th and 3/32d, 6010 and 6011 rods with damp flaking flux on
them
for filler.

Of course the secret is to have a good power source. I have 440v ran to
my
shop, then break it down to 220v going to five outlet boxes, each with
its
own run of 8 gage wire. At the outlet boxes I have one 220v 50amp, one
120v
20amp, and one 120v15amp outlet. My lathe, mill, band saw, grinder and
air
compressor are all hard wired to a different circuit. This keeps voltage
drops to a minimum. Of course I have to pay a little extra for three
meters.
(House, boat/wood/welding shop, and machine shop w/central Air.) But it
is
worth it, with good power everything works like it is supposed to.

The last CdnTire flyer I saw (think its valid right now) hada Lincoln
WeldPak 150 for $ 599.00
Last month the 100 was on sale there for $ 349 IIRC

Going tomorrow to look at a 10 year old Lincoln Machine (I think Lincoln).
Guy says he bought it at Canadian Tire 10 years ago for 700.00 bux? .
The guy wants 350.00 for it? He said it was a 110 volt, 100 or 120 amp,
has extra Full Wheel of .030 wire (paid 100 bux for).

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:12:54 -0230, "Lucifer"
wrote:

Going tomorrow to look at a 10 year old Lincoln Machine (I think Lincoln).
Guy says he bought it at Canadian Tire 10 years ago for 700.00 bux? Does
this sound right?
Anyway, guy says he only used it like 5 times cause he hurt his back shortly
after buying the machine and has been out of work ever since on disability.
The guy wants 350.00 for it? He said it was a 110 volt, 100 or 120 amp, has
extra Full Wheel of .030 wire (paid 100 bux for).

Am I getting ripped or should I offer lower? It's a 10 year old machine!!!
Ohh yeah, I'm a 1st year apprentice welder, so this would be a good machine
for me to start with. I already have a 70 amp Arc Machine.

Thanks.

If it's an SP125 plus in good shape, it's a little high but it could
take awhile to find one for less. They did cost about $650 US new.
New SP135's are going for about $550 US now.

If it's one of the "consumer" Lincolns, it's overpriced.

The little 110-volt Lincolns are great for sheetmetal as in autobody.
If you're after a more general purpose welder, I'd recommending going
with a 220V machine like the Hobart Handler for only a little more.