On 2/5/2021 3:36 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/5/2021 12:29 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/5/2021 10:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

--
Maggie


Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid.Â*Â* What
are guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask, saying?



I've evidently already had a mild version of covid, and I'm fine.Â* At
least that's what they said when I had a sinus infection, which was
treated with antibiotics.


So then you had a bacterial infection, not a virus.Â* Not the same.
Antibiotics don't work on viruses.Â* Or you doctor is a quack.


Gee .. no kidding?? Yeah, I had a bacterial sinus infection. I got
antibiotics for it, but they also tested me for covid. They said I
tested positive. TWO separate issues, although they put on the test
information copy they sent to the lab that my symptoms were "suspicious
for covid."

I never had any of the listed covid symptoms. NO fever ... nothing,
unless you consider fatigue to be "suspicious" for covid. Frankly, I'm
thinking it was a false positive, but it doesn't matter at this point.
They told me to just stay home until 10 days after my first symptoms for
my sinus infection appeared. THAT was long before I ever went to get
antibiotics.

--
Maggie

On 2/5/2021 3:43 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Muggles" wrote in message


I've examined the facts, and won't take a brand new vaccine.* My
immune system works.

That’s what most of the 2.25 million dead world wide from this virus
claimed too.

gee how would you know what 2.25 million dead people claimed?

--
Maggie

On 2/5/2021 3:52 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 12:29:37 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/5/2021 10:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

--


Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid. What are guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask, saying?


I've evidently already had a mild version of covid, and I'm fine. At
least that's what they said when I had a sinus infection, which was
treated with antibiotics. Multiple family members and friends have had
similar cold type illnesses. They're fine, too.


What the hell are you babbling about now? That's what "they" said?
Did you have a Covid test and was it positive?


Try to learn how to read English.



--
Maggie

On 2/5/2021 4:23 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Muggles" wrote in message
...
On 2/5/2021 11:53 AM, Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2021 17:29, Muggles wrote:
On 2/5/2021 10:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested
for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough
for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.



Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid.Â*Â* What
are guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask, saying?


I've evidently already had a mild version of covid, and I'm fine.
At least that's what they said when I had a sinus infection, which
was treated with antibiotics.Â* Multiple family members and friends
have had similar cold type illnesses.Â* They're fine, too.Â* I only
know one older man who got the "flu" and waited too long before
seeking medical assistance.Â* They told him if he had waited 2 more
days that he would have died.Â* After receiving covid antibody
plasma, he's improved dramatically and will be getting out of the
hospital tomorrow (just confirmed).


COVID-19 is caused by a virus, and therefore antibiotics should not
be used for prevention or treatment.

They weren't treating covid ... I had a sinus infection.Â* Sinus
infections are treated with antibiotics - z pac to be specific.

Additionally, the ONLY medical treatment they CAN offer for covid is
antibody plasma that directly targets covid.


Thats another bare faced pig ignorant lie.


Vaccines are not a guarantee that individual won't catch covid, nor are
they a guarantee a person's body will produce the necessary antibodies
to fight it, either.

Infuse an individual with plasma antibodies and that individual begins
to improve that day... 3 days later they test negative for covid...
that's pretty solid evidence antibody plasma WORKS!.

snip nonsense


Some dont get any symptoms at all.

If you were infected, because you are too
stupid to wear a mask or socially distance,
or even self isolate until you tested negative,
repeatedly, you would have infected lots,
you irresponsible arsehole.


I've gone over a year living my life normally, not wearing masks, and
enjoying life. One sinus infection isn't a horrific issue. I get them
at least once a year. No other symptoms related to covid at all, BUT
they tested me anyway. Evidently, MY IMMUNE SYSTEM did what it's
supposed to do IF I really ever HAD covid.

There's NO way to prevent one person from catching a virus. Either your
immune system creates antibodies, which mine obviously has done since I
had NO covid symptoms, OR you get various levels of illness.

I guess it just chaps your hide I didn't die from a sinus infection,
huh? Perhaps, you should be careful who you wish dead because that
sentiment could come back to hit you at home if you're not careful.


I haven't really felt all that bad, either.Â* Just tired.




--
Maggie

On 2/5/2021 4:29 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Muggles" wrote in message
...
On 2/5/2021 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 12:53:51 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2021 17:29, Muggles wrote:
On 2/5/2021 10:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been
tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu
shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough
for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

--
Maggie


Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid. What are
guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask,
saying?



I've evidently already had a mild version of covid, and I'm fine. At
least that's what they said when I had a sinus infection, which was
treated with antibiotics. Multiple family members and friends have had
similar cold type illnesses. They're fine, too. I only know one older
man who got the "flu" and waited too long before seeking medical
assistance. They told him if he had waited 2 more days that he would
have died. After receiving covid antibody plasma, he's improved
dramatically and will be getting out of the hospital tomorrow (just
confirmed).

COVID-19 is caused by a virus, and therefore antibiotics should not be
used for prevention or treatment.


She had a sinus infection, which was treated by antibiotics.Â* In the
course of diagnosing and treating the sinus infection, she probably
had a covid antibody test.


No, they would not do an antibody test.Â* They said it was too soon to
test for antibodies.

Additionally, they just told me to wait 10 days after my initial
symptoms of a sinus infection began, and then I was good to go live a
normal life - no isolation - no masks ... etc.


Then they are complete ****wits.


I'm just about back to normal with the exception of making up for lost
sleep due to back pain at night when the weather changes.


I was told I'd have antibodies for a number of months. BUT, did NOT
get an antibody test.


Thats the way to check if it was a false positive.

So would another covid test have been.

gee ... Not going to get another test. What for, when I had NO covid
symptoms at all to begin with.

--
Maggie

On 2/5/2021 4:15 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/5/2021 4:23 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Muggles" wrote in message
...
On 2/5/2021 11:53 AM, Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2021 17:29, Muggles wrote:
On 2/5/2021 10:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been
tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu
shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough
for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.



Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid.Â*Â* What
are guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask,
saying?


I've evidently already had a mild version of covid, and I'm fine.
At least that's what they said when I had a sinus infection, which
was treated with antibiotics.Â* Multiple family members and friends
have had similar cold type illnesses.Â* They're fine, too.Â* I only
know one older man who got the "flu" and waited too long before
seeking medical assistance.Â* They told him if he had waited 2 more
days that he would have died.Â* After receiving covid antibody
plasma, he's improved dramatically and will be getting out of the
hospital tomorrow (just confirmed).


COVID-19 is caused by a virus, and therefore antibiotics should not
be used for prevention or treatment.

They weren't treating covid ... I had a sinus infection.Â* Sinus
infections are treated with antibiotics - z pac to be specific.

Additionally, the ONLY medical treatment they CAN offer for covid is
antibody plasma that directly targets covid.


Thats another bare faced pig ignorant lie.


Vaccines are not a guarantee that individual won't catch covid, nor are
they a guarantee a person's body will produce the necessary antibodies
to fight it, either.

Infuse an individual with plasma antibodies and that individual begins
to improve that day... 3 days later they test negative for covid...
that's pretty solid evidence antibody plasma WORKS!.

snip nonsense


Some dont get any symptoms at all.

If you were infected, because you are too
stupid to wear a mask or socially distance,
or even self isolate until you tested negative,
repeatedly, you would have infected lots,
you irresponsible arsehole.


I've gone over a year living my life normally, not wearing masks, and
enjoying life.Â* One sinus infection isn't a horrific issue.Â* I get them
at least once a year.Â* No other symptoms related to covid at all, BUT
they tested me anyway.Â* Evidently, MY IMMUNE SYSTEM did what it's
supposed to do IF I really ever HAD covid.

There's NO way to prevent one person from catching a virus.Â* Either your
immune system creates antibodies, which mine obviously has done since I
had NO covid symptoms, OR you get various levels of illness.

I guess it just chaps your hide I didn't die from a sinus infection,
huh?Â*Â* Perhaps, you should be careful who you wish dead because that
sentiment could come back to hit you at home if you're not careful.


I haven't really felt all that bad, either.Â* Just tired.

Funny how one case makes YOUR argument, but millions worldwide does not
make a case against yours. But, of course, YOU are always right. Bot
correct of course.

On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation? Please provide
a reputable reference. I don't think that you'll be able to find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants. For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?

On 2/5/2021 9:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?* Please provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?



For approval, yes,this is the first, but it is not the first worked on
to date. It is not new technology.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ines/mrna.html
mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and
cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the
virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the
mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an
mRNA vaccine.

Future mRNA vaccine technology may allow for one vaccine to provide
protection for multiple diseases, thus decreasing the number of shots
needed for protection against common vaccine-preventable diseases.

Beyond vaccines, cancer research has used mRNA to trigger the immune
system to target specific cancer cells.

Muggles wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Muggles wrote

I've examined the facts, and won't take a brand new vaccine. My immune
system works.

That’s what most of the 2.25 million dead world wide from this virus
claimed too.

gee how would you know what 2.25 million dead people claimed?

Because that’s what their relos and
associates said that they stupidly said.

"Muggles" wrote in message ...
On 2/5/2021 3:52 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 12:29:37 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/5/2021 10:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for
me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

--


Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid. What are
guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask, saying?


I've evidently already had a mild version of covid, and I'm fine. At
least that's what they said when I had a sinus infection, which was
treated with antibiotics. Multiple family members and friends have had
similar cold type illnesses. They're fine, too.


What the hell are you babbling about now? That's what "they" said?
Did you have a Covid test and was it positive?


Try to learn how to read English.

Says the fool that couldnt even manage to
work out what he meant when he said that
we had known about the plasma treatment
that doesnt work very well, since summer.

Muggles wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Muggles wrote
On 2/5/2021 11:53 AM, Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2021 17:29, Muggles wrote:
On 2/5/2021 10:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested
for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu
shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for
me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.



Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid. What
are guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask,
saying?


I've evidently already had a mild version of covid, and I'm fine. At
least that's what they said when I had a sinus infection, which was
treated with antibiotics. Multiple family members and friends have
had similar cold type illnesses. They're fine, too. I only know one
older man who got the "flu" and waited too long before seeking medical
assistance. They told him if he had waited 2 more days that he would
have died. After receiving covid antibody plasma, he's improved
dramatically and will be getting out of the hospital tomorrow (just
confirmed).


COVID-19 is caused by a virus, and therefore antibiotics should not be
used for prevention or treatment.

They weren't treating covid ... I had a sinus infection. Sinus
infections are treated with antibiotics - z pac to be specific.

Additionally, the ONLY medical treatment they CAN offer for covid is
antibody plasma that directly targets covid.

Thats another bare faced pig ignorant lie.

Vaccines are not a guarantee that individual won't catch covid, nor are
they a guarantee a person's body will produce the necessary antibodies to
fight it, either.

Irrelevant to that pig ignorant bare faced
lie about what treatment is available for
those who are infected with this virus.

The plasma isnt guaranteed to help an
infected person either and we know that
from proper clinical trials of that treatment.

Infuse an individual with plasma antibodies and that individual begins to
improve that day...

In fact plenty of those infused with the
plasma dont improve at all and die from
the virus and we know that from proper
clinical trials of that treatment.

3 days later they test negative for covid...

In fact plenty of those infused with the plasma
dont get that result and we know that from
proper clinical trials of that treatment.

that's pretty solid evidence antibody plasma WORKS!.

One individual's experience is not evidence
of anything when we dont even know if the
result he got was due to the plasma, stupid.
It could just as easily have been due to his
own immune system. Plenty do recover
from an infection with this virus even if
they had to be moved to a hospital in
an ambulance.

snip nonsense

You never could bull**** and lie
your way out of a wet paper bag.

Some dont get any symptoms at all.

If you were infected, because you are too
stupid to wear a mask or socially distance,
or even self isolate until you tested negative,
repeatedly, you would have infected lots,
you irresponsible arsehole.

I've gone over a year living my life normally, not wearing masks, and
enjoying life.

Irrelevant to whether you were in fact a complete
arsehole to keep doing that when you knew that
you had tested positive to the virus.

One sinus infection isn't a horrific issue. I get them at least once a
year.

Irrelevant to whether you were in fact a complete
arsehole to keep doing that when you knew that
you had tested positive to the virus.

No other symptoms related to covid at all, BUT they tested me anyway.
Evidently, MY IMMUNE SYSTEM did what it's supposed to do IF I really ever
HAD covid.

Irrelevant to whether you were in fact a complete
arsehole to keep doing that when you knew that
you had tested positive to the virus.

There's NO way to prevent one person from catching a virus.

Thats what vaccination does, ****wit. And thats why we stamped
out smallpox in the wild and are close to doing that with polio too.
The only reason that we havent done that with polio is because a
few fools as stupid as you, mostly muslims, refuse to be vaccinated.

Either your immune system creates antibodies, which mine obviously has
done since I had NO covid symptoms,

Thats a bare faced lie too.

OR you get various levels of illness.

I guess it just chaps your hide I didn't die from a sinus infection, huh?

Nope, what ****es me off is that you did
nothing different when you tested positive
for the virus and would have infected others
because you were such an utter arsehole.

Perhaps, you should be careful who you wish dead because that sentiment
could come back to hit you at home if you're not careful.

No chance, I am not actually stupid enough to refuse
vaccination and am certainly not such a complete
arsehole that I infect others if I test positive.

I haven't really felt all that bad, either. Just tired.

Which is one of the symptoms of this virus, ****wit.

Muggles wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Muggles wrote
On 2/5/2021 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 12:53:51 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 05/02/2021 17:29, Muggles wrote:
On 2/5/2021 10:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested
for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have
been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu
shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough
for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

--
Maggie


Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid. What are
guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask,
saying?



I've evidently already had a mild version of covid, and I'm fine. At
least that's what they said when I had a sinus infection, which was
treated with antibiotics. Multiple family members and friends have
had
similar cold type illnesses. They're fine, too. I only know one older
man who got the "flu" and waited too long before seeking medical
assistance. They told him if he had waited 2 more days that he would
have died. After receiving covid antibody plasma, he's improved
dramatically and will be getting out of the hospital tomorrow (just
confirmed).

COVID-19 is caused by a virus, and therefore antibiotics should not be
used for prevention or treatment.


She had a sinus infection, which was treated by antibiotics. In the
course of diagnosing and treating the sinus infection, she probably
had a covid antibody test.


No, they would not do an antibody test. They said it was too soon to
test for antibodies.

Additionally, they just told me to wait 10 days after my initial
symptoms of a sinus infection began, and then I was good to go live a
normal life - no isolation - no masks ... etc.

Then they are complete ****wits.

I'm just about back to normal with the exception of making up for lost
sleep due to back pain at night when the weather changes.

Another symptom of this virus.

And have infected lots of people, arsehole.

I was told I'd have antibodies for a number of months. BUT, did NOT get
an antibody test.

Thats the way to check if it was a false positive.

So would another covid test have been.

gee ... Not going to get another test.

Yep, you actually are that terminal a ****wit.

What for,

So you know if you are infectious, ****wit.

when I had NO covid symptoms at all to begin with.

That is a bar faced lie and plenty of infected people are
infectious even when they have no symptoms, arsehole.

On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 08:17:34 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

--
Maggie

Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid. What are guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask, saying?


Imagine how those who always wore a mask, washed their hands and tried
to distance feel when they get infected.

On 2/5/2021 8:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?* Please provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?



Exactly!

--
Maggie

On 2/5/2021 9:20 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 08:17:34 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

--
Maggie

Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid. What are guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask, saying?


Imagine how those who always wore a mask, washed their hands and tried
to distance feel when they get infected.



But but but ... only people who don't wear masks get sick and die!

--
Maggie

"Muggles" wrote in message ...
On 2/5/2021 8:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation? Please provide
a reputable reference. I don't think that you'll be able to find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants. For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?

Exactly!

You are free to use one of the more traditional
vaccines and get a worse result with those.

On 02/05/2021 07:42 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
For approval, yes,this is the first, but it is not the first worked on
to date. It is not new technology.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ines/mrna.html

mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and
cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the
virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the
mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an
mRNA vaccine.


https://www.biospace.com/article/mod...cine-approach/

Published: Apr 14, 2020

"The company released promising early data from a Phase I trial of its
experimental Zika vaccine this morning, which could possibly set the
stage for similar data for the COVID-19 vaccine."

Yeah, studied. It seemed to be effective in mice and macaques.

On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 13:45:01 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

--
The Natural Philosopher about senile Rodent:
"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole."
Message-ID:

On 2/5/2021 7:06 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/5/2021 3:43 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Muggles" wrote in message


I've examined the facts, and won't take a brand new vaccine.* My
immune system works.

That’s what most of the 2.25 million dead world wide from this virus
claimed too.

gee* how would you know what 2.25 million dead people claimed?



Hey Muggles, here's another fact for you, a real fact: In data just
released yesterday from the Norovax Phase III study; in their South
African cohort of test subjects, numerous subjects in both the
received-vaccine subset (the challenge arm of the study) and in the the
placebo arm of the study (they received sterile saline instead of the
vaccine) had a documented history of previous infection with the initial
variant of the COVID-19 virus. That history was documented both by
medical history and by PCR testing. When tracked over the subsequent
two months to compare Norovax vaccine efficacy against a placebo shot,
there were numerous cases of serious infection with the newer South
African variant of the COVID-19 virus in the placebo group and NO cases
of serious infection with the South African variant in the group that
had received the real vaccine. To remind you, this is a group of
patients all with a documented medical history of previous infection
with the initial COVID variant.

If you really already have had a COVID infection, it was almost
certainly with the initial variant. The data set I'm describing is the
first published evidence that previous infection with the initial
prevalent variant of COVID does NOT protect against subsequent infection
with the South African variant, but at least 1 vaccine in the pipeline,
the Norovax vaccine, DOES provide protection. Both Pfizer and Moderna
are currently running analogous Phase III studies to test the efficacy
of their vaccines against both the U.K. and the South African variants.

In one easy sentence: you are NOT immune to future infection with newer
variants just because you previously had an infection with the original
variant of the COVID virus, but you are likely to gain significant
protection if not full immunity against newer variants if you get
vaccinated.

These are the facts as of this AM.

On 2/5/2021 9:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?* Please provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?



That's a non sequitur; completely irrelevant. In the past, many new
vaccines when first approved and administered, were developed by novel
techniques and had never before been used to develop a safe and
effective vaccine. You think the smallpox vaccine was safe? How about
the Sabin polio vaccine? Not even discussing vaccines, how many people
have life-threatening allergies to the penicillins or other families of
life-saving medicines? Should we ban penicillin? Should we place a
strict embargo on peanuts and ban them entirely from the marketplace
because a small percentage of the population is at risk? All decisions
involving public health constitute best judgement after a risk vs.
benefit analysis.

Risk vs. benefit. Yes, we might be able to extend experimental vaccine
protocols for many months or even years but there's no objective
endpoint that can be set. How long is long enough? Why choose any
particular length of followup? Usually it's a compromise between
recruiting and retaining sufficient subjects to enable an appropriate
magnitude of statistical significance when the data is analyzed, the
cost per month of keeping a research team funded to maintain the
protocol, the severity of the disease threat, and what is known about
the biology of how we respond to the introduction of similar foreign
substances into our bodies. mRNA is not a novel molecule, recently
synthesized in the lab. It's produced by cells and viruses and needed
to maintain that specie's viability in nature. Our cells need mRNA to
fabricate proteins. We've known about corona viruses for decades and
none have ever even been suspected much less documented of being either
mutagenic or carcinogenic. We know how lethal and transmissible the
COVID corona virus has been. The risk vs benefit of administering mRNA
vaccines against the COVID virus strongly favors the use of the
preapproval human clinical trial period that was selected.

On 2/5/2021 10:51 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/5/2021 9:20 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 08:17:34 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

--
Maggie

Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid.Â*Â* What
are guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask, saying?


Imagine how those who always wore a mask, washed their hands and tried
to distance feel when they get infected.



But but but ... only people who don't wear masks get sick and die!


Heard a vaccine joke but you just would not get it.

On Fri, 05 Feb 2021 22:20:30 -0500, posted for all of us to
digest...


On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 08:17:34 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

--
Maggie

Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid. What are guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask, saying?


Imagine how those who always wore a mask, washed their hands and tried
to distance feel when they get infected.

Like my BIL...

--
Tekkie

On 2/6/2021 11:57 AM, Tekkie� wrote:

On Fri, 05 Feb 2021 22:20:30 -0500, posted for all of us to
digest...


On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 08:17:34 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

--
Maggie

Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid. What are guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask, saying?


Imagine how those who always wore a mask, washed their hands and tried
to distance feel when they get infected.

Like my BIL...


Probably just like the many more that did not take those precautions feel.

On 2/6/2021 11:39 AM, Frank wrote:
On 2/5/2021 10:51 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/5/2021 9:20 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 08:17:34 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough
for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

--
Maggie

Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid.Â*Â* What
are guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask, saying?


Imagine how those who always wore a mask, washed their hands and tried
to distance feel when they get infected.



But but but ... only people who don't wear masks get sick and die!


Heard a vaccine joke but you just would not get it.

hahahaaha!

--
Maggie

On 2/6/2021 10:57 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 9:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?* Please provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?


That's a non sequitur; completely irrelevant.* In the past, many new
vaccines when first approved and administered, were developed by novel
techniques and had never before been used to develop a safe and
effective vaccine.* You think the smallpox vaccine was safe?* How about
the Sabin polio vaccine?* Not even discussing vaccines, how many people
have life-threatening allergies to the penicillins or other families of
life-saving medicines?* Should we ban penicillin?* Should we place a
strict embargo on peanuts and ban them entirely from the marketplace
because a small percentage of the population is at risk?* All decisions
involving public health constitute best judgement after a risk vs.
benefit analysis.

Risk vs. benefit.* Yes, we might be able to extend experimental vaccine
protocols for many months or even years but there's no objective
endpoint that can be set.* How long is long enough?* Why choose any
particular length of followup?* Usually it's a compromise between
recruiting and retaining sufficient subjects to enable an appropriate
magnitude of statistical significance when the data is analyzed, the
cost per month of keeping a research team funded to maintain the
protocol, the severity of the disease threat, and what is known about
the biology of how we respond to the introduction of similar foreign
substances into our bodies.* mRNA is not a novel molecule, recently
synthesized in the lab.* It's produced by cells and viruses and needed
to maintain that specie's viability in nature.* Our cells need mRNA to
fabricate proteins.* We've known about corona viruses for decades and
none have ever even been suspected much less documented of being either
mutagenic or carcinogenic.* We know how lethal and transmissible the
COVID corona virus has been.* The risk vs benefit of administering mRNA
vaccines against the COVID virus strongly favors the use of the
preapproval human clinical trial period that was selected.



The goal of vaccines is to trick our immune systems into producing
antibodies that target a specific virus attacking our bodies. Why not
skip traditional vaccines and go straight to treating the most sick
people with covid antibody plasma?
--
Maggie

On 07/02/2021 16:35, Muggles wrote:
On 2/6/2021 10:57 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 9:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?* Please provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the
facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in
the U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?


That's a non sequitur; completely irrelevant.* In the past, many new
vaccines when first approved and administered, were developed by novel
techniques and had never before been used to develop a safe and
effective vaccine.* You think the smallpox vaccine was safe?* How
about the Sabin polio vaccine?* Not even discussing vaccines, how many
people have life-threatening allergies to the penicillins or other
families of life-saving medicines?* Should we ban penicillin?* Should
we place a strict embargo on peanuts and ban them entirely from the
marketplace because a small percentage of the population is at risk?
All decisions involving public health constitute best judgement after
a risk vs. benefit analysis.

Risk vs. benefit.* Yes, we might be able to extend experimental
vaccine protocols for many months or even years but there's no
objective endpoint that can be set.* How long is long enough?* Why
choose any particular length of followup?* Usually it's a compromise
between recruiting and retaining sufficient subjects to enable an
appropriate magnitude of statistical significance when the data is
analyzed, the cost per month of keeping a research team funded to
maintain the protocol, the severity of the disease threat, and what is
known about the biology of how we respond to the introduction of
similar foreign substances into our bodies.* mRNA is not a novel
molecule, recently synthesized in the lab.* It's produced by cells and
viruses and needed to maintain that specie's viability in nature.* Our
cells need mRNA to fabricate proteins.* We've known about corona
viruses for decades and none have ever even been suspected much less
documented of being either mutagenic or carcinogenic.* We know how
lethal and transmissible the COVID corona virus has been.* The risk vs
benefit of administering mRNA vaccines against the COVID virus
strongly favors the use of the preapproval human clinical trial period
that was selected.



The goal of vaccines is to trick our immune systems into producing
antibodies that target a specific virus attacking our bodies.** Why not
skip traditional vaccines and go straight to treating the most sick
people with covid antibody plasma?

If it actually works, don't you think they'd be using it already instead
of vaccinating?

On 2/7/2021 10:38 AM, Bod wrote:
On 07/02/2021 16:35, Muggles wrote:
On 2/6/2021 10:57 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 9:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested
for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a flu
shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?* Please
provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the
facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in
the U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?


That's a non sequitur; completely irrelevant.* In the past, many new
vaccines when first approved and administered, were developed by
novel techniques and had never before been used to develop a safe and
effective vaccine.* You think the smallpox vaccine was safe?* How
about the Sabin polio vaccine?* Not even discussing vaccines, how
many people have life-threatening allergies to the penicillins or
other families of life-saving medicines?* Should we ban penicillin?
Should we place a strict embargo on peanuts and ban them entirely
from the marketplace because a small percentage of the population is
at risk? All decisions involving public health constitute best
judgement after a risk vs. benefit analysis.

Risk vs. benefit.* Yes, we might be able to extend experimental
vaccine protocols for many months or even years but there's no
objective endpoint that can be set.* How long is long enough?* Why
choose any particular length of followup?* Usually it's a compromise
between recruiting and retaining sufficient subjects to enable an
appropriate magnitude of statistical significance when the data is
analyzed, the cost per month of keeping a research team funded to
maintain the protocol, the severity of the disease threat, and what
is known about the biology of how we respond to the introduction of
similar foreign substances into our bodies.* mRNA is not a novel
molecule, recently synthesized in the lab.* It's produced by cells
and viruses and needed to maintain that specie's viability in
nature.* Our cells need mRNA to fabricate proteins.* We've known
about corona viruses for decades and none have ever even been
suspected much less documented of being either mutagenic or
carcinogenic.* We know how lethal and transmissible the COVID corona
virus has been.* The risk vs benefit of administering mRNA vaccines
against the COVID virus strongly favors the use of the preapproval
human clinical trial period that was selected.


The goal of vaccines is to trick our immune systems into producing
antibodies that target a specific virus attacking our bodies.** Why
not skip traditional vaccines and go straight to treating the most
sick people with covid antibody plasma?


If it actually works, don't you think they'd be using it already instead
of vaccinating?


There are many more people who have had covid and recovered on their
own. They have antibodies that can be donated and used to SAVE the most
vulnerable to this virus. Why NOT do that? Antibodies are the goal of
treating people with vaccines. Those who are VERY SICK can (and do)
benefit from infusions of antibody plasma.



--
Maggie

On 07/02/2021 16:43, Muggles wrote:
On 2/7/2021 10:38 AM, Bod wrote:
On 07/02/2021 16:35, Muggles wrote:
On 2/6/2021 10:57 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 9:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been
tested for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions have
been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a flu
shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough
for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?* Please
provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to find
one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely
well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the
facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in
the U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?


That's a non sequitur; completely irrelevant.* In the past, many new
vaccines when first approved and administered, were developed by
novel techniques and had never before been used to develop a safe
and effective vaccine.* You think the smallpox vaccine was safe?
How about the Sabin polio vaccine?* Not even discussing vaccines,
how many people have life-threatening allergies to the penicillins
or other families of life-saving medicines?* Should we ban
penicillin? Should we place a strict embargo on peanuts and ban them
entirely from the marketplace because a small percentage of the
population is at risk? All decisions involving public health
constitute best judgement after a risk vs. benefit analysis.

Risk vs. benefit.* Yes, we might be able to extend experimental
vaccine protocols for many months or even years but there's no
objective endpoint that can be set.* How long is long enough?* Why
choose any particular length of followup?* Usually it's a compromise
between recruiting and retaining sufficient subjects to enable an
appropriate magnitude of statistical significance when the data is
analyzed, the cost per month of keeping a research team funded to
maintain the protocol, the severity of the disease threat, and what
is known about the biology of how we respond to the introduction of
similar foreign substances into our bodies.* mRNA is not a novel
molecule, recently synthesized in the lab.* It's produced by cells
and viruses and needed to maintain that specie's viability in
nature.* Our cells need mRNA to fabricate proteins.* We've known
about corona viruses for decades and none have ever even been
suspected much less documented of being either mutagenic or
carcinogenic.* We know how lethal and transmissible the COVID corona
virus has been.* The risk vs benefit of administering mRNA vaccines
against the COVID virus strongly favors the use of the preapproval
human clinical trial period that was selected.


The goal of vaccines is to trick our immune systems into producing
antibodies that target a specific virus attacking our bodies.** Why
not skip traditional vaccines and go straight to treating the most
sick people with covid antibody plasma?


If it actually works, don't you think they'd be using it already
instead of vaccinating?


There are many more people who have had covid and recovered on their
own.* They have antibodies that can be donated and used to SAVE the most
vulnerable to this virus.* Why NOT do that?* Antibodies are the goal of
treating people with vaccines.* Those who are VERY SICK can (and do)
benefit from infusions of antibody plasma.



Covid: 'Convalescent plasma no benefit to hospital patients'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55681051

Of course you know better than the experts.

On 2/7/2021 10:44 AM, Bod wrote:
On 07/02/2021 16:43, Muggles wrote:
On 2/7/2021 10:38 AM, Bod wrote:
On 07/02/2021 16:35, Muggles wrote:
On 2/6/2021 10:57 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 9:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been
tested for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions have
been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a
flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long
enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in
the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?* Please
provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to find
one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you
consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely
well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine
the facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in
the U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?


That's a non sequitur; completely irrelevant.* In the past, many
new vaccines when first approved and administered, were developed
by novel techniques and had never before been used to develop a
safe and effective vaccine.* You think the smallpox vaccine was
safe? How about the Sabin polio vaccine?* Not even discussing
vaccines, how many people have life-threatening allergies to the
penicillins or other families of life-saving medicines?* Should we
ban penicillin? Should we place a strict embargo on peanuts and ban
them entirely from the marketplace because a small percentage of
the population is at risk? All decisions involving public health
constitute best judgement after a risk vs. benefit analysis.

Risk vs. benefit.* Yes, we might be able to extend experimental
vaccine protocols for many months or even years but there's no
objective endpoint that can be set.* How long is long enough?* Why
choose any particular length of followup?* Usually it's a
compromise between recruiting and retaining sufficient subjects to
enable an appropriate magnitude of statistical significance when
the data is analyzed, the cost per month of keeping a research team
funded to maintain the protocol, the severity of the disease
threat, and what is known about the biology of how we respond to
the introduction of similar foreign substances into our bodies.
mRNA is not a novel molecule, recently synthesized in the lab.
It's produced by cells and viruses and needed to maintain that
specie's viability in nature.* Our cells need mRNA to fabricate
proteins.* We've known about corona viruses for decades and none
have ever even been suspected much less documented of being either
mutagenic or carcinogenic.* We know how lethal and transmissible
the COVID corona virus has been.* The risk vs benefit of
administering mRNA vaccines against the COVID virus strongly favors
the use of the preapproval human clinical trial period that was
selected.


The goal of vaccines is to trick our immune systems into producing
antibodies that target a specific virus attacking our bodies.** Why
not skip traditional vaccines and go straight to treating the most
sick people with covid antibody plasma?


If it actually works, don't you think they'd be using it already
instead of vaccinating?


There are many more people who have had covid and recovered on their
own.* They have antibodies that can be donated and used to SAVE the
most vulnerable to this virus.* Why NOT do that?* Antibodies are the
goal of treating people with vaccines.* Those who are VERY SICK can
(and do) benefit from infusions of antibody plasma.


Covid: 'Convalescent plasma no benefit to hospital patients'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55681051

Of course you know better than the experts.

I know the goal of vaccines: to trick the body into creating antibodies.

I also KNOW of a man who was literally close to dying with covid caused
pneumonia and a blood infection. He should have died. BUT, they gave
him his first antibody plasma treatment and the same day he began
improving. They continued to give him several other antibody plasma
treatments and 3 days later is tested negative, his pneumonia and blood
infection responded to treatment, and he DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED in a
relatively short period of time.

Why NOT use this approach with those who get very ill because of age and
comorbities? Antibodies literally STOP the reproduction of covid and it
dies. This allows the individual to put all their bodies energy into
fighting the infections covid caused.



--
Maggie

On 07/02/2021 17:03, Muggles wrote:
On 2/7/2021 10:44 AM, Bod wrote:
On 07/02/2021 16:43, Muggles wrote:
On 2/7/2021 10:38 AM, Bod wrote:
On 07/02/2021 16:35, Muggles wrote:
On 2/6/2021 10:57 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 9:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been
tested for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions
have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a
flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long
enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea
pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration
in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or
otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?* Please
provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to
find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you
consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the
extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of
yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine
the facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in
the U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?


That's a non sequitur; completely irrelevant.* In the past, many
new vaccines when first approved and administered, were developed
by novel techniques and had never before been used to develop a
safe and effective vaccine.* You think the smallpox vaccine was
safe? How about the Sabin polio vaccine?* Not even discussing
vaccines, how many people have life-threatening allergies to the
penicillins or other families of life-saving medicines?* Should we
ban penicillin? Should we place a strict embargo on peanuts and
ban them entirely from the marketplace because a small percentage
of the population is at risk? All decisions involving public
health constitute best judgement after a risk vs. benefit analysis.

Risk vs. benefit.* Yes, we might be able to extend experimental
vaccine protocols for many months or even years but there's no
objective endpoint that can be set.* How long is long enough?* Why
choose any particular length of followup?* Usually it's a
compromise between recruiting and retaining sufficient subjects to
enable an appropriate magnitude of statistical significance when
the data is analyzed, the cost per month of keeping a research
team funded to maintain the protocol, the severity of the disease
threat, and what is known about the biology of how we respond to
the introduction of similar foreign substances into our bodies.
mRNA is not a novel molecule, recently synthesized in the lab.
It's produced by cells and viruses and needed to maintain that
specie's viability in nature.* Our cells need mRNA to fabricate
proteins.* We've known about corona viruses for decades and none
have ever even been suspected much less documented of being either
mutagenic or carcinogenic.* We know how lethal and transmissible
the COVID corona virus has been.* The risk vs benefit of
administering mRNA vaccines against the COVID virus strongly
favors the use of the preapproval human clinical trial period that
was selected.


The goal of vaccines is to trick our immune systems into producing
antibodies that target a specific virus attacking our bodies.** Why
not skip traditional vaccines and go straight to treating the most
sick people with covid antibody plasma?


If it actually works, don't you think they'd be using it already
instead of vaccinating?


There are many more people who have had covid and recovered on their
own.* They have antibodies that can be donated and used to SAVE the
most vulnerable to this virus.* Why NOT do that?* Antibodies are the
goal of treating people with vaccines.* Those who are VERY SICK can
(and do) benefit from infusions of antibody plasma.


Covid: 'Convalescent plasma no benefit to hospital patients'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55681051

Of course you know better than the experts.

I know the goal of vaccines: to trick the body into creating antibodies.

I also KNOW of a man who was literally close to dying with covid caused
pneumonia and a blood infection. He should have died.* BUT, they gave
him his first antibody plasma treatment and the same day he began
improving.* They continued to give him several other antibody plasma
treatments and 3 days later is tested negative, his pneumonia and blood
infection responded to treatment, and he DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED in a
relatively short period of time.

Why NOT use this approach with those who get very ill because of age and
comorbities? Antibodies literally STOP the reproduction of covid and it
dies.* This allows the individual to put all their bodies energy into
fighting the infections covid caused.



The trials disagreed with you.

On 2/7/2021 11:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 07/02/2021 17:03, Muggles wrote:
On 2/7/2021 10:44 AM, Bod wrote:
On 07/02/2021 16:43, Muggles wrote:
On 2/7/2021 10:38 AM, Bod wrote:
On 07/02/2021 16:35, Muggles wrote:
On 2/6/2021 10:57 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 9:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been
tested for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions
have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a
flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long
enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea
pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their
business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration
in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or
otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?* Please
provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to
find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you
consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the
extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of
yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine
the facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration
in the U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?


That's a non sequitur; completely irrelevant.* In the past, many
new vaccines when first approved and administered, were developed
by novel techniques and had never before been used to develop a
safe and effective vaccine.* You think the smallpox vaccine was
safe? How about the Sabin polio vaccine?* Not even discussing
vaccines, how many people have life-threatening allergies to the
penicillins or other families of life-saving medicines?* Should
we ban penicillin? Should we place a strict embargo on peanuts
and ban them entirely from the marketplace because a small
percentage of the population is at risk? All decisions involving
public health constitute best judgement after a risk vs. benefit
analysis.

Risk vs. benefit.* Yes, we might be able to extend experimental
vaccine protocols for many months or even years but there's no
objective endpoint that can be set.* How long is long enough?
Why choose any particular length of followup?* Usually it's a
compromise between recruiting and retaining sufficient subjects
to enable an appropriate magnitude of statistical significance
when the data is analyzed, the cost per month of keeping a
research team funded to maintain the protocol, the severity of
the disease threat, and what is known about the biology of how we
respond to the introduction of similar foreign substances into
our bodies. mRNA is not a novel molecule, recently synthesized in
the lab. It's produced by cells and viruses and needed to
maintain that specie's viability in nature.* Our cells need mRNA
to fabricate proteins.* We've known about corona viruses for
decades and none have ever even been suspected much less
documented of being either mutagenic or carcinogenic.* We know
how lethal and transmissible the COVID corona virus has been.
The risk vs benefit of administering mRNA vaccines against the
COVID virus strongly favors the use of the preapproval human
clinical trial period that was selected.


The goal of vaccines is to trick our immune systems into producing
antibodies that target a specific virus attacking our bodies.
Why not skip traditional vaccines and go straight to treating the
most sick people with covid antibody plasma?


If it actually works, don't you think they'd be using it already
instead of vaccinating?


There are many more people who have had covid and recovered on their
own.* They have antibodies that can be donated and used to SAVE the
most vulnerable to this virus.* Why NOT do that?* Antibodies are the
goal of treating people with vaccines.* Those who are VERY SICK can
(and do) benefit from infusions of antibody plasma.


Covid: 'Convalescent plasma no benefit to hospital patients'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55681051

Of course you know better than the experts.

I know the goal of vaccines: to trick the body into creating antibodies.

I also KNOW of a man who was literally close to dying with covid
caused pneumonia and a blood infection. He should have died.* BUT,
they gave him his first antibody plasma treatment and the same day he
began improving.* They continued to give him several other antibody
plasma treatments and 3 days later is tested negative, his pneumonia
and blood infection responded to treatment, and he DRAMATICALLY
IMPROVED in a relatively short period of time.

Why NOT use this approach with those who get very ill because of age
and comorbities? Antibodies literally STOP the reproduction of covid
and it dies.* This allows the individual to put all their bodies
energy into fighting the infections covid caused.


The trials disagreed with you.

Those trials are not recent, either. There wasn't a large sampling of
people who HAD antibodies, either. Now, there is.


--
Maggie

On 07/02/2021 17:07, Muggles wrote:
On 2/7/2021 11:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 07/02/2021 17:03, Muggles wrote:
On 2/7/2021 10:44 AM, Bod wrote:
On 07/02/2021 16:43, Muggles wrote:
On 2/7/2021 10:38 AM, Bod wrote:
On 07/02/2021 16:35, Muggles wrote:
On 2/6/2021 10:57 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 9:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been
tested for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions
have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a
flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little
allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long
enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no
guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their
business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration
in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or
otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?
Please provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to
find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you
consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the
extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of
yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine
the facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration
in the U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?


That's a non sequitur; completely irrelevant.* In the past, many
new vaccines when first approved and administered, were
developed by novel techniques and had never before been used to
develop a safe and effective vaccine.* You think the smallpox
vaccine was safe? How about the Sabin polio vaccine?* Not even
discussing vaccines, how many people have life-threatening
allergies to the penicillins or other families of life-saving
medicines?* Should we ban penicillin? Should we place a strict
embargo on peanuts and ban them entirely from the marketplace
because a small percentage of the population is at risk? All
decisions involving public health constitute best judgement
after a risk vs. benefit analysis.

Risk vs. benefit.* Yes, we might be able to extend experimental
vaccine protocols for many months or even years but there's no
objective endpoint that can be set.* How long is long enough?
Why choose any particular length of followup?* Usually it's a
compromise between recruiting and retaining sufficient subjects
to enable an appropriate magnitude of statistical significance
when the data is analyzed, the cost per month of keeping a
research team funded to maintain the protocol, the severity of
the disease threat, and what is known about the biology of how
we respond to the introduction of similar foreign substances
into our bodies. mRNA is not a novel molecule, recently
synthesized in the lab. It's produced by cells and viruses and
needed to maintain that specie's viability in nature.* Our cells
need mRNA to fabricate proteins.* We've known about corona
viruses for decades and none have ever even been suspected much
less documented of being either mutagenic or carcinogenic.* We
know how lethal and transmissible the COVID corona virus has
been. The risk vs benefit of administering mRNA vaccines against
the COVID virus strongly favors the use of the preapproval human
clinical trial period that was selected.


The goal of vaccines is to trick our immune systems into
producing antibodies that target a specific virus attacking our
bodies. Why not skip traditional vaccines and go straight to
treating the most sick people with covid antibody plasma?


If it actually works, don't you think they'd be using it already
instead of vaccinating?


There are many more people who have had covid and recovered on
their own.* They have antibodies that can be donated and used to
SAVE the most vulnerable to this virus.* Why NOT do that?
Antibodies are the goal of treating people with vaccines.* Those
who are VERY SICK can (and do) benefit from infusions of antibody
plasma.


Covid: 'Convalescent plasma no benefit to hospital patients'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55681051

Of course you know better than the experts.

I know the goal of vaccines: to trick the body into creating antibodies.

I also KNOW of a man who was literally close to dying with covid
caused pneumonia and a blood infection. He should have died.* BUT,
they gave him his first antibody plasma treatment and the same day he
began improving.* They continued to give him several other antibody
plasma treatments and 3 days later is tested negative, his pneumonia
and blood infection responded to treatment, and he DRAMATICALLY
IMPROVED in a relatively short period of time.

Why NOT use this approach with those who get very ill because of age
and comorbities? Antibodies literally STOP the reproduction of covid
and it dies.* This allows the individual to put all their bodies
energy into fighting the infections covid caused.


The trials disagreed with you.

Those trials are not recent, either.* There wasn't a large sampling of
people who HAD antibodies, either.* Now, there is.


Last month, january 20th.

On 2/7/2021 11:35 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/6/2021 10:57 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 9:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?* Please provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the
facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in
the U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?


That's a non sequitur; completely irrelevant.* In the past, many new
vaccines when first approved and administered, were developed by novel
techniques and had never before been used to develop a safe and
effective vaccine.* You think the smallpox vaccine was safe?* How
about the Sabin polio vaccine?* Not even discussing vaccines, how many
people have life-threatening allergies to the penicillins or other
families of life-saving medicines?* Should we ban penicillin?* Should
we place a strict embargo on peanuts and ban them entirely from the
marketplace because a small percentage of the population is at risk?
All decisions involving public health constitute best judgement after
a risk vs. benefit analysis.

Risk vs. benefit.* Yes, we might be able to extend experimental
vaccine protocols for many months or even years but there's no
objective endpoint that can be set.* How long is long enough?* Why
choose any particular length of followup?* Usually it's a compromise
between recruiting and retaining sufficient subjects to enable an
appropriate magnitude of statistical significance when the data is
analyzed, the cost per month of keeping a research team funded to
maintain the protocol, the severity of the disease threat, and what is
known about the biology of how we respond to the introduction of
similar foreign substances into our bodies.* mRNA is not a novel
molecule, recently synthesized in the lab.* It's produced by cells and
viruses and needed to maintain that specie's viability in nature.* Our
cells need mRNA to fabricate proteins.* We've known about corona
viruses for decades and none have ever even been suspected much less
documented of being either mutagenic or carcinogenic.* We know how
lethal and transmissible the COVID corona virus has been.* The risk vs
benefit of administering mRNA vaccines against the COVID virus
strongly favors the use of the preapproval human clinical trial period
that was selected.



The goal of vaccines is to trick our immune systems into producing
antibodies that target a specific virus attacking our bodies.** Why not
skip traditional vaccines and go straight to treating the most sick
people with covid antibody plasma?


Muggles, you are mistaken again. The goal of vaccines is to use an
extremely low risk method to induce our immune system to develop the
ability to fight an extremely dangerous high risk pathogen. In other
words, it is a preventive treatment, given to totally avoid or minimize
the severity of disease in a patient who may become exposed to a high
risk pathogen.

Our immune system, whether through exposure to an effective vaccine or
exposure to a pathogen, activates numerous mechanisms of immune response
IN ADDITION TO CIRCULATING ANTIBODIES. In contrast, COVID immune
antibody plasma doesn't induce our immune system to develop the full
array of infection fighting mechanisms, many of which provide long
lasting immune "memory". In fact it induces no immune response. It is
not a preventative treatment. It is a therapy for selected COVID
infected patients who have only mild to moderate cases of clinical
disease. In well documented studies, it has been found to be
ineffective in severe cases. It only passively provides circulating
antibodies which are of relatively short duration. It leaves no
"memory" to minimize the severity of future infection from any variant
of any pathogen.

Another advantage of vaccines is that in the case of pathogens that
mutate frequently, vaccines often provide a degree of protection against
mutant strains that were not specifically targeted by that vaccine due
to the vaccine-induced non-antibody immune system mechanisms. This is
the "cross-immunity" phenomenon you may have heard about. By contrast,
immune plasma has been found to usually be entirely ineffective against
infections from mutant strains. The infused antibodies don't recognize
the variant (mutated) pathogens and are incapable of neutralizing them.
This vaccine advantage pertains as well to our current generation of
COVID-19 vaccines. Preliminary data suggest that both the Pfizer and
Moderna vaccines provide good protection against severe illness and
death from the U.K., Brazilian, and South African mutant strains even if
they aren't as effective in preventing mild-moderate cases.

On 2/7/2021 11:36 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/7/2021 11:35 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/6/2021 10:57 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 9:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested
for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a flu
shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?* Please
provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the
facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in
the U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?


That's a non sequitur; completely irrelevant.* In the past, many new
vaccines when first approved and administered, were developed by
novel techniques and had never before been used to develop a safe and
effective vaccine.* You think the smallpox vaccine was safe?* How
about the Sabin polio vaccine?* Not even discussing vaccines, how
many people have life-threatening allergies to the penicillins or
other families of life-saving medicines?* Should we ban penicillin?
Should we place a strict embargo on peanuts and ban them entirely
from the marketplace because a small percentage of the population is
at risk? All decisions involving public health constitute best
judgement after a risk vs. benefit analysis.

Risk vs. benefit.* Yes, we might be able to extend experimental
vaccine protocols for many months or even years but there's no
objective endpoint that can be set.* How long is long enough?* Why
choose any particular length of followup?* Usually it's a compromise
between recruiting and retaining sufficient subjects to enable an
appropriate magnitude of statistical significance when the data is
analyzed, the cost per month of keeping a research team funded to
maintain the protocol, the severity of the disease threat, and what
is known about the biology of how we respond to the introduction of
similar foreign substances into our bodies.* mRNA is not a novel
molecule, recently synthesized in the lab.* It's produced by cells
and viruses and needed to maintain that specie's viability in
nature.* Our cells need mRNA to fabricate proteins.* We've known
about corona viruses for decades and none have ever even been
suspected much less documented of being either mutagenic or
carcinogenic.* We know how lethal and transmissible the COVID corona
virus has been.* The risk vs benefit of administering mRNA vaccines
against the COVID virus strongly favors the use of the preapproval
human clinical trial period that was selected.



The goal of vaccines is to trick our immune systems into producing
antibodies that target a specific virus attacking our bodies.** Why
not skip traditional vaccines and go straight to treating the most
sick people with covid antibody plasma?


Muggles, you are mistaken again.* The goal of vaccines is to use an
extremely low risk method to induce our immune system to develop the
ability to fight an extremely dangerous high risk pathogen.* In other
words, it is a preventive treatment, given to totally avoid or minimize
the severity of disease in a patient who may become exposed to a high
risk pathogen.

geez ... you think because I used different words to describe the SAME
process that I'm "mistaken."


Our immune system, whether through exposure to an effective vaccine or
exposure to a pathogen, activates numerous mechanisms of immune response
IN ADDITION TO CIRCULATING ANTIBODIES. In contrast, COVID immune
antibody plasma doesn't induce our immune system to develop the full



Another advantage of vaccines is that in the case of pathogens that


See my previous statement.

I also specifically mentioned that covid antibody plasma could be good
to use for people who are very ill where their bodies are fighting
multiple infections causes by covid.

The GOAL is to get antibodies to attack the virus. I don't care what
one study said last month or even last year. I'm aware of one friend
(with multiple physical issues) who should be dead but is NOT dead
because he was given covid antibody treatments.

Evidently, it WORKS! Why not treat more people who need life saving
antibodies to fight covid?

--
Maggie

On 07/02/2021 17:53, Muggles wrote:
On 2/7/2021 11:36 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/7/2021 11:35 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/6/2021 10:57 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 9:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been
tested for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions have
been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a flu
shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough
for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?* Please
provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to find
one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely
well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the
facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in
the U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?


That's a non sequitur; completely irrelevant.* In the past, many new
vaccines when first approved and administered, were developed by
novel techniques and had never before been used to develop a safe
and effective vaccine.* You think the smallpox vaccine was safe?
How about the Sabin polio vaccine?* Not even discussing vaccines,
how many people have life-threatening allergies to the penicillins
or other families of life-saving medicines?* Should we ban
penicillin? Should we place a strict embargo on peanuts and ban them
entirely from the marketplace because a small percentage of the
population is at risk? All decisions involving public health
constitute best judgement after a risk vs. benefit analysis.

Risk vs. benefit.* Yes, we might be able to extend experimental
vaccine protocols for many months or even years but there's no
objective endpoint that can be set.* How long is long enough?* Why
choose any particular length of followup?* Usually it's a compromise
between recruiting and retaining sufficient subjects to enable an
appropriate magnitude of statistical significance when the data is
analyzed, the cost per month of keeping a research team funded to
maintain the protocol, the severity of the disease threat, and what
is known about the biology of how we respond to the introduction of
similar foreign substances into our bodies.* mRNA is not a novel
molecule, recently synthesized in the lab.* It's produced by cells
and viruses and needed to maintain that specie's viability in
nature.* Our cells need mRNA to fabricate proteins.* We've known
about corona viruses for decades and none have ever even been
suspected much less documented of being either mutagenic or
carcinogenic.* We know how lethal and transmissible the COVID corona
virus has been.* The risk vs benefit of administering mRNA vaccines
against the COVID virus strongly favors the use of the preapproval
human clinical trial period that was selected.



The goal of vaccines is to trick our immune systems into producing
antibodies that target a specific virus attacking our bodies.** Why
not skip traditional vaccines and go straight to treating the most
sick people with covid antibody plasma?


Muggles, you are mistaken again.* The goal of vaccines is to use an
extremely low risk method to induce our immune system to develop the
ability to fight an extremely dangerous high risk pathogen.* In other
words, it is a preventive treatment, given to totally avoid or
minimize the severity of disease in a patient who may become exposed
to a high risk pathogen.

geez ... you think because I used different words to describe the SAME
process that I'm "mistaken."


Our immune system, whether through exposure to an effective vaccine or
exposure to a pathogen, activates numerous mechanisms of immune
response IN ADDITION TO CIRCULATING ANTIBODIES. In contrast, COVID
immune antibody plasma doesn't induce our immune system to develop the
full



Another advantage of vaccines is that in the case of pathogens that


See my previous statement.

I also specifically mentioned that covid antibody plasma could be good
to use for people who are very ill where their bodies are fighting
multiple infections causes by covid.

The GOAL is to get antibodies to attack the virus.* I don't care what
one study said last month or even last year.* I'm aware of one friend
(with multiple physical issues) who should be dead but is NOT dead
because he was given covid antibody treatments.

Evidently, it WORKS!* Why not treat more people who need life saving
antibodies to fight covid?

Again! the NHS trial disagrees with you.

On 2/7/2021 11:56 AM, Bod wrote:
On 07/02/2021 17:53, Muggles wrote:
On 2/7/2021 11:36 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/7/2021 11:35 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/6/2021 10:57 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 9:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been
tested for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions have
been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a
flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long
enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in
the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?* Please
provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to find
one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you
consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely
well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine
the facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in
the U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?


That's a non sequitur; completely irrelevant.* In the past, many
new vaccines when first approved and administered, were developed
by novel techniques and had never before been used to develop a
safe and effective vaccine.* You think the smallpox vaccine was
safe? How about the Sabin polio vaccine?* Not even discussing
vaccines, how many people have life-threatening allergies to the
penicillins or other families of life-saving medicines?* Should we
ban penicillin? Should we place a strict embargo on peanuts and ban
them entirely from the marketplace because a small percentage of
the population is at risk? All decisions involving public health
constitute best judgement after a risk vs. benefit analysis.

Risk vs. benefit.* Yes, we might be able to extend experimental
vaccine protocols for many months or even years but there's no
objective endpoint that can be set.* How long is long enough?* Why
choose any particular length of followup?* Usually it's a
compromise between recruiting and retaining sufficient subjects to
enable an appropriate magnitude of statistical significance when
the data is analyzed, the cost per month of keeping a research team
funded to maintain the protocol, the severity of the disease
threat, and what is known about the biology of how we respond to
the introduction of similar foreign substances into our bodies.
mRNA is not a novel molecule, recently synthesized in the lab.
It's produced by cells and viruses and needed to maintain that
specie's viability in nature.* Our cells need mRNA to fabricate
proteins.* We've known about corona viruses for decades and none
have ever even been suspected much less documented of being either
mutagenic or carcinogenic.* We know how lethal and transmissible
the COVID corona virus has been.* The risk vs benefit of
administering mRNA vaccines against the COVID virus strongly favors
the use of the preapproval human clinical trial period that was
selected.



The goal of vaccines is to trick our immune systems into producing
antibodies that target a specific virus attacking our bodies.** Why
not skip traditional vaccines and go straight to treating the most
sick people with covid antibody plasma?


Muggles, you are mistaken again.* The goal of vaccines is to use an
extremely low risk method to induce our immune system to develop the
ability to fight an extremely dangerous high risk pathogen.* In other
words, it is a preventive treatment, given to totally avoid or
minimize the severity of disease in a patient who may become exposed
to a high risk pathogen.

geez ... you think because I used different words to describe the SAME
process that I'm "mistaken."


Our immune system, whether through exposure to an effective vaccine
or exposure to a pathogen, activates numerous mechanisms of immune
response IN ADDITION TO CIRCULATING ANTIBODIES. In contrast, COVID
immune antibody plasma doesn't induce our immune system to develop
the full



Another advantage of vaccines is that in the case of pathogens that


See my previous statement.

I also specifically mentioned that covid antibody plasma could be good
to use for people who are very ill where their bodies are fighting
multiple infections causes by covid.

The GOAL is to get antibodies to attack the virus.* I don't care what
one study said last month or even last year.* I'm aware of one friend
(with multiple physical issues) who should be dead but is NOT dead
because he was given covid antibody treatments.

Evidently, it WORKS!* Why not treat more people who need life saving
antibodies to fight covid?


Again!* the NHS trial disagrees with you.

geez Try researching. I hear Google scholar is a great source.


"The adjusted models (as defined in Table 2) generally showed a similar
association — a lower relative risk of death among patients who received
plasma transfusions with high anti–SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibody levels..."

"In a retrospective study based on a national registry, convalescent
plasma was identified as a potentially beneficial therapy in
hospitalized patients with Covid-19. Our principal finding was that
among patients with Covid-19 who were not receiving mechanical
ventilation, the transfusion of plasma with high antibody levels was
associated with a lower risk of death than the transfusion of plasma
with low antibody levels. We found no such relationship (between
antibody level and the risk of death) among patients with Covid-19 who
were receiving mechanical ventilation. In addition, patients who
received plasma within 3 days after receiving a diagnosis of Covid-19
had a lower risk of death than those who received transfusions later in
the disease course."

"These data were consistent with a mortality benefit associated with
high-titer plasma administered earlier in the course of the disease. Our
findings parallel the recent findings from a trial of the antiviral
agent remdesivir in which clinical benefit was evident among patients
who were not receiving advanced respiratory support and absent among
patients who were receiving noninvasive high-flow oxygen or mechanical
ventilation.32,36,37 Our findings are also consistent with aggregate
data from observational studies and randomized trials of convalescent
plasma,7,9,38,39 as well as with historical evidence regarding antibody
therapy for infectious diseases.3 Our data and those from other studies
provide support for the use of anti–SARS-CoV-2 antibody assays as an
indicator of the potency of Covid-19 convalescent plasma."

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2031893

--
Maggie

On 2/7/2021 11:35 AM, Muggles wrote:


Risk vs. benefit.* Yes, we might be able to extend experimental
vaccine protocols for many months or even years but there's no
objective endpoint that can be set.* How long is long enough?* Why
choose any particular length of followup?* Usually it's a compromise
between recruiting and retaining sufficient subjects to enable an
appropriate magnitude of statistical significance when the data is
analyzed, the cost per month of keeping a research team funded to
maintain the protocol, the severity of the disease threat, and what is
known about the biology of how we respond to the introduction of
similar foreign substances into our bodies.* mRNA is not a novel
molecule, recently synthesized in the lab.* It's produced by cells and
viruses and needed to maintain that specie's viability in nature.* Our
cells need mRNA to fabricate proteins.* We've known about corona
viruses for decades and none have ever even been suspected much less
documented of being either mutagenic or carcinogenic.* We know how
lethal and transmissible the COVID corona virus has been.* The risk vs
benefit of administering mRNA vaccines against the COVID virus
strongly favors the use of the preapproval human clinical trial period
that was selected.



The goal of vaccines is to trick our immune systems into producing
antibodies that target a specific virus attacking our bodies.** Why not
skip traditional vaccines and go straight to treating the most sick
people with covid antibody plasma?

Because it has to be tested and deemed safe. Many treatments are tried
and some have failed. I'll let the scientists check it out first.

On 2/7/2021 12:03 PM, Muggles wrote:


I know the goal of vaccines: to trick the body into creating antibodies.

I also KNOW of a man who was literally close to dying with covid caused
pneumonia and a blood infection. He should have died.* BUT, they gave
him his first antibody plasma treatment and the same day he began
improving.* They continued to give him several other antibody plasma
treatments and 3 days later is tested negative, his pneumonia and blood
infection responded to treatment, and he DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED in a
relatively short period of time.

Why NOT use this approach with those who get very ill because of age and
comorbities? Antibodies literally STOP the reproduction of covid and it
dies.* This allows the individual to put all their bodies energy into
fighting the infections covid caused.



My friend Al got the same treatment Trump got. Only difference, Al
died. Just because it worked once does not prove anything.

On 2/7/2021 12:46 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2021 11:35 AM, Muggles wrote:


Risk vs. benefit.* Yes, we might be able to extend experimental
vaccine protocols for many months or even years but there's no
objective endpoint that can be set.* How long is long enough?* Why
choose any particular length of followup?* Usually it's a compromise
between recruiting and retaining sufficient subjects to enable an
appropriate magnitude of statistical significance when the data is
analyzed, the cost per month of keeping a research team funded to
maintain the protocol, the severity of the disease threat, and what
is known about the biology of how we respond to the introduction of
similar foreign substances into our bodies.* mRNA is not a novel
molecule, recently synthesized in the lab.* It's produced by cells
and viruses and needed to maintain that specie's viability in
nature.* Our cells need mRNA to fabricate proteins.* We've known
about corona viruses for decades and none have ever even been
suspected much less documented of being either mutagenic or
carcinogenic.* We know how lethal and transmissible the COVID corona
virus has been.* The risk vs benefit of administering mRNA vaccines
against the COVID virus strongly favors the use of the preapproval
human clinical trial period that was selected.



The goal of vaccines is to trick our immune systems into producing
antibodies that target a specific virus attacking our bodies.** Why
not skip traditional vaccines and go straight to treating the most
sick people with covid antibody plasma?


Because it has to be tested and deemed safe.* Many treatments are tried
and some have failed.* I'll let the scientists check it out first.

The science in favor of antibody plasma treatments is already available.

--
Maggie

On 2/7/2021 12:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/7/2021 12:03 PM, Muggles wrote:


I know the goal of vaccines: to trick the body into creating antibodies.

I also KNOW of a man who was literally close to dying with covid
caused pneumonia and a blood infection. He should have died.* BUT,
they gave him his first antibody plasma treatment and the same day he
began improving.* They continued to give him several other antibody
plasma treatments and 3 days later is tested negative, his pneumonia
and blood infection responded to treatment, and he DRAMATICALLY
IMPROVED in a relatively short period of time.

Why NOT use this approach with those who get very ill because of age
and comorbities? Antibodies literally STOP the reproduction of covid
and it dies.* This allows the individual to put all their bodies
energy into fighting the infections covid caused.



My friend Al got the same treatment Trump got.* Only difference, Al
died.* Just because it worked once does not prove anything.


geez .... It's worked more than once. The science and studies are out
there, already, that supports the use of antibody plasma treatments with
covid.

--
Maggie