The experimental vaccines from both Pfizer and Moderna utilize mRNA (messenger ribonucleic acid) which instructs the bodys cells on manufacturing proteins.Â* It is technology that has not
€œever been approved for any disease, or even entered final-stage trials until now.€�Â* There have been no independently published animal studies on any of the vaccines, and it is not yet known
what effects they will have on the elderly, the very young, or women who are pregnant or might become pregnant in the near future.Â* Id say those are important groups whose safety is critical.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...accines.h tml

On 2/4/2021 3:59 PM, Gary Jones wrote:
The experimental vaccines from both Pfizer and Moderna utilize mRNA
(messenger ribonucleic acid) which instructs the bodys cells on
manufacturing proteins.Â* It is technology that has not €œever been
approved for any disease, or even entered final-stage trials until
now.€�Â* There have been no independently published animal studies on any
of the vaccines, and it is not yet known what effects they will have on
the elderly, the very young, or women who are pregnant or might become
pregnant in the near future.Â* Id say those are important groups whose
safety is critical.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...accines.h tml



Gene therapy ...

--
Maggie

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 12:52:49 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 3:59 PM, Gary Jones wrote:
The experimental vaccines from both Pfizer and Moderna utilize mRNA
(messenger ribonucleic acid) which instructs the bodys cells on
manufacturing proteins. It is technology that has not €œever been
approved for any disease, or even entered final-stage trials until
now.€� There have been no independently published animal studies on any
of the vaccines, and it is not yet known what effects they will have on
the elderly, the very young, or women who are pregnant or might become
pregnant in the near future. Id say those are important groups whose
safety is critical.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...accines.h tml


Gene therapy ...

--
Maggie

The vaccines are not gene therapy, stupid. I see that 42% of Republicans say they will
never get vaccinated. The good news there is that leaves more vaccine for the rest
of us. The bad news is that apparently the GOP not only has a death wish figuratively,
but literally too.

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 4 Feb 2021 09:58:40 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 12:52:49 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 3:59 PM, Gary Jones wrote:
The experimental vaccines from both Pfizer and Moderna utilize mRNA
(messenger ribonucleic acid) which instructs the body’s cells on
manufacturing proteins. It is technology that has not “ever been
approved for any disease, or even entered final-stage trials until
now.” There have been no independently published animal studies on any

The best studies are studies on people. Animal studies done 1) so as
not to risk the lives of people, but people were already dying at a high
rate from the disease. 2) Animals can be given a disease to test cures,
but that is immoral wrt humans, and only the Tuskegee study comes to
mind for immoral studies. 3) IIRC but I could be wrong some diseases
like cancer progress faster in some animals so that testing can be done
in far less time than it would take to see the results in humans. This
doesn't apply to corona.

In short, there is no need for more animal studies.


of the vaccines, and it is not yet known what effects they will have on
the elderly,

It saves their lives. See below**

the very young,

No one is giving it to the very young, which I think is 4 and under.
But in fact, no one under 16 is getting it.

or women who are pregnant or might become
pregnant in the near future.

Not a problem, retired and maybe trader addressd this.

I’d say those are important groups whose
safety is critical.

Safety is critical for everyone. It's a good thing the vaccines in use
are safe.

** https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55706855
Israeli Ministry of Health (MoH) figures show 531 over-60s, out of
almost 750,000 fully vaccinated, tested positive for coronavirus
(0.07%).
And far fewer fell ill, with 38 becoming hospitalised with moderate,
severe or critical disease - a tiny proportion.
The MoH assessed the medical records of almost a million people in
total - 743,845 of whom were over the age of 60 - until at least seven
days after they received a second dose of the vaccine.
There were three deaths in vaccinated over-60s - although it is
possible they contracted the infection earlier, before their immunity
had time to build.
[OTOH]Before the vaccine had time to take effect, more than 7,000
infections were recorded, just under 700 cases of moderate to critical
illness and 307 deaths.
The MoH data suggests infections and illnesses fell consistently from
14 days after receiving the first jab onwards.

-- So only 3 deaths out of 743,000 over age 60 who were vaccinated.

Compared to 300 in a similar group without vaccination.

In addition to the 40,000 who were in the phase 3 tests, isn't 743,000
test subjects over age 60 enough for you?


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...accines.h tml


Gene therapy ...

Get it through your head. It's not gene therapy. You either don't know
what gene therapy is or you don't know how the vaccines work. Try
reading about them.

--
Maggie

The vaccines are not gene therapy, stupid. I see that 42% of Republicans say they will
never get vaccinated. The good news there is that leaves more vaccine for the rest
of us. The bad news is that apparently the GOP not only has a death wish figuratively,
but literally too.

"micky" wrote in message
...
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 4 Feb 2021 09:58:40 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 12:52:49 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 3:59 PM, Gary Jones wrote:
The experimental vaccines from both Pfizer and Moderna utilize mRNA
(messenger ribonucleic acid) which instructs the body's cells on
manufacturing proteins. It is technology that has not "ever been
approved for any disease, or even entered final-stage trials until
now." There have been no independently published animal studies on any

The best studies are studies on people. Animal studies done 1) so as
not to risk the lives of people, but people were already dying at a high
rate from the disease. 2) Animals can be given a disease to test cures,
but that is immoral wrt humans, and only the Tuskegee study comes to
mind for immoral studies. 3) IIRC but I could be wrong some diseases
like cancer progress faster in some animals so that testing can be done
in far less time than it would take to see the results in humans. This
doesn't apply to corona.

And you can breed strains of animals that are
prone to a particular disease and test your
treatment on those, not possible with humans.

In short, there is no need for more animal studies.

That's arguable with the new more infectious strains of the virus.

of the vaccines, and it is not yet known what effects they will have
on
the elderly,

It saves their lives. See below**

the very young,

No one is giving it to the very young, which I think is 4 and under.
But in fact, no one under 16 is getting it.

Yet, because they hardly ever get serious disease with
this virus. But they are infectious if they get infected
so we will be vaccinating them when there is enough
vaccine available to do that.

or women who are pregnant or might become
pregnant in the near future.

Not a problem, retired and maybe trader addressd this.

I'd say those are important groups whose
safety is critical.

Safety is critical for everyone. It's a good thing the vaccines in use
are safe.

That's less clear with the extremely decrepit.

** https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55706855
Israeli Ministry of Health (MoH) figures show 531 over-60s, out of
almost 750,000 fully vaccinated, tested positive for coronavirus
(0.07%).
And far fewer fell ill, with 38 becoming hospitalised with moderate,
severe or critical disease - a tiny proportion.
The MoH assessed the medical records of almost a million people in
total - 743,845 of whom were over the age of 60 - until at least seven
days after they received a second dose of the vaccine.
There were three deaths in vaccinated over-60s - although it is
possible they contracted the infection earlier, before their immunity
had time to build.
[OTOH]Before the vaccine had time to take effect, more than 7,000
infections were recorded, just under 700 cases of moderate to critical
illness and 307 deaths.
The MoH data suggests infections and illnesses fell consistently from
14 days after receiving the first jab onwards.

-- So only 3 deaths out of 743,000 over age 60 who were vaccinated.

Compared to 300 in a similar group without vaccination.

In addition to the 40,000 who were in the phase 3 tests, isn't 743,000
test subjects over age 60 enough for you?


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...accines.h tml


Gene therapy ...

Get it through your head. It's not gene therapy. You either don't know
what gene therapy is or you don't know how the vaccines work. Try
reading about them.

--
Maggie

The vaccines are not gene therapy, stupid. I see that 42% of Republicans
say they will
never get vaccinated. The good news there is that leaves more vaccine for
the rest
of us. The bad news is that apparently the GOP not only has a death wish
figuratively,
but literally too.

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"Muggles" wrote in message ...
On 2/4/2021 3:59 PM, Gary Jones wrote:
The experimental vaccines from both Pfizer and Moderna utilize mRNA
(messenger ribonucleic acid) which instructs the bodys cells on
manufacturing proteins. It is technology that has not €œever been
approved for any disease, or even entered final-stage trials until now.€�
There have been no independently published animal studies on any of the
vaccines, and it is not yet known what effects they will have on the
elderly, the very young, or women who are pregnant or might become
pregnant in the near future. Id say those are important groups whose
safety is critical.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...accines.h tml

Gene therapy ...

Nope, and thats just two of the vaccines.

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On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

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On 05/02/2021 04:29, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


Vaccine-preventable diseases:

Although vaccination has become increasingly safe and effective, one of
the major challenges we face is opposition in the population against
immunisation. We may have become too used to the benefits of
vaccination, some diseases now being so rare that we do not even
remember how devastating their consequences can be.

Immunisation programmes are threatened by insufficient information, by
unsubstantiated rumours about adverse effects, or by groups that, for
religious or other reasons, are opposed to vaccination. Communication of
the correct scientific facts it is therefore important to enable both
policy makers and the public to make an informed choice.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/immuni...table-diseases

Only fools and the uneducated refuse to be vaccinated.

Roger Blake wrote

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

Great, hopefully the virus will kill you like the
other half million fools that were too stupid to
take sensible precautions. Fewer fools the better.

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:



Great, hopefully the virus will kill you like the
other half million fools that were too stupid to
take sensible precautions. Fewer fools the better.

You are one to talk! You sick lonely sleepless senile pest are immune from
the virus because NOBODY, really NOBODY, in real life wants to talk to an
obnoxious sociopath like you.

It's the VERY reason why you get up every night between 1 and 4 am in
Australia just so you can pester people on Usenet with your senile trolling,
you forsaken lonely senile cretin!

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woman you know even if it is the only thing with a female name that stays
around around while you talk it to it.
Poor sad git who has to resort to Usenet and electronic devices for any
interaction as all real people run a mile to get away from you boring them
to death."
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On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 11:29:22 PM UTC-5, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

Have you been vaccinated in the past? For polio or smallpox?

Cindy Hamilton

On 05/02/2021 11:46, wrote:
On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 11:29:22 PM UTC-5, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

Have you been vaccinated in the past? For polio or smallpox?

Cindy Hamilton

He's obviously not been vaccinated for stupidity.

On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

--
Maggie

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

--
Maggie

Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid. What are guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask, saying?

On 2/5/2021 10:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

--
Maggie


Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid. What are guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask, saying?



I've evidently already had a mild version of covid, and I'm fine. At
least that's what they said when I had a sinus infection, which was
treated with antibiotics. Multiple family members and friends have had
similar cold type illnesses. They're fine, too. I only know one older
man who got the "flu" and waited too long before seeking medical
assistance. They told him if he had waited 2 more days that he would
have died. After receiving covid antibody plasma, he's improved
dramatically and will be getting out of the hospital tomorrow (just
confirmed).

--
Maggie

On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 08:17:34 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

--
Maggie

Let's see what you say when you're hospitalized with Covid. What are guys
like Herman Cain, who wouldn't distance, wouldn't wear a mask, saying?


Imagine how those who always wore a mask, washed their hands and tried
to distance feel when they get infected.

On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for me
to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea pig.* If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation? Please provide
a reputable reference. I don't think that you'll be able to find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants. For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the facts
and reconsider your decision!

On 2/5/2021 11:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years.* By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened.* I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions.* The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots.** I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation?* Please provide
a reputable reference.* I don't think that you'll be able to find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely well

Isn't the "potential risk" the same reason people make decisions to wear
masks and/or social distance?

I think if it's a good enough reason for people to make decisions to
wear ineffective masks, it's also a good enough reason to WAIT to take
an untested vaccine until enough guinea pigs have produced the vast
majority of negative side effects.


documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants.* For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the facts
and reconsider your decision!


I've examined the facts, and won't take a brand new vaccine. My immune
system works.

--
Maggie

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 12:20:33 PM UTC-5, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for me
to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig. If
other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation? Please provide
a reputable reference. I don't think that you'll be able to find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants. For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the facts
and reconsider your decision!

Don't confuse M with the facts. She's following the example of Herman Cain.
Don't wear a mask, don't social distance, believe Trump that the virus is no
big deal, go to Trump death rallies.

On 02/05/2021 10:20 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 2/5/2021 11:14 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.


I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years. By then, the majority of negative reactions have been
documented, along with why those reactions happened. I get a flu shot
every fall because I've seen those work with very little allergic
reactions. The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for
me to even consider taking one of those shots. I'm no guinea pig.
If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a vaccine that demonstrated a statistically
significant incidence of delayed side effects (serious or otherwise)
occurring more than a few months following inoculation? Please provide
a reputable reference. I don't think that you'll be able to find one.
Yet, on the basis of fear, unsubstantiated by any facts, you consider
the potential risk of such a situation greater than the extremely well
documented substantial risk of becoming crippled or killed by an
infection with one of the COVID variants. For the sake of yourself,
your family members, friends, and possible co-workers, examine the facts
and reconsider your decision!


When in the history of vaccination approval and administration in the
U.S. was there was a mRNA vaccine?

"Muggles" wrote in message ...
On 2/4/2021 10:29 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-02-04, Muggles wrote:
Gene therapy ...

I will not be vaccinated. Period.

I ONLY consider being vaccinated after such shots have been tested for
several years.

More fool you, hopefully that will kill you.

By then, the majority of negative reactions have been documented, along
with why those reactions happened.

I get a flu shot every fall because I've seen those work with very little
allergic reactions.

The covid "vaccines" have not been tested long enough for me to even
consider taking one of those shots.

Yep, you actually are that stupid. There is in fact FAR more
risk of real medical downsides with catching this virus.

I'm no guinea pig.

Yes you are with catching this virus.

If other people WANT to be experimented on, that's their business.

You are being experimented on by this virus.

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Gary Jones wrote

The experimental vaccines from both Pfizer and Moderna utilize mRNA
(messenger ribonucleic acid) which instructs the bodys cells on
manufacturing proteins. It is technology that has not €œever been approved
for any disease, or even entered final-stage trials until now.€�

Yes, its a new technique which has real advantages
over the older technique of adjutant and killed vaccines.

There have been no independently published animal studies on any of the
vaccines,

But there have been a number of independently
published human studies, particularly in Israel
with a very large percentage of them vaccinated.

and it is not yet known what effects they will have on the elderly,

Another lie, particularly with Israel and Norway.

the very young, or women who are pregnant or might become pregnant in the
near future.

Wrong, again.

Id say those are important groups whose safety is critical.

Which is why they were included in
the Pfizer and Moderna phase 3 trials.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...accines.h tml

Useless source for medical information.

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On 2/4/2021 3:59 PM, Gary Jones wrote:
The experimental vaccines from both Pfizer and Moderna utilize mRNA
(messenger ribonucleic acid) which instructs the body’s cells on
manufacturing proteins.* It is technology that has not “ever been
approved for any disease, or even entered final-stage trials until
now.”* There have been no independently published animal studies on any
of the vaccines, and it is not yet known what effects they will have on
the elderly, the very young, or women who are pregnant or might become
pregnant in the near future.* I’d say those are important groups whose
safety is critical.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...accines.h tml


For background, I think it's important to note that:

(a) Ad Fontes Media rates American Thinker as hyper-partisan right in
terms of bias and as somewhat unreliable in terms of reliability.

(b) According to the American Thinker entry in Wikipedia, "David Solway,
in the months following the 2020 presidential election, contributed
seven articles perpetuating the myth of a stolen election based on
evidence such as "Biden’s rallies routinely featured twenty or so
vehicles in a car park. That alone tells us that Biden was never in the
game."

Now, to address your concerns:
(1) Absence of animal models - It's been well documented that there is
no universal "best" animal model for reliably predicting the effect(s)
of drugs and biologics on the pathogens and other disease processes the
affect humans. Models are tested and either adopted or discarded based
on past experience with similar diseases processes and a lot of trial
and error. Depending on the specific circumstances, the FDA encourages,
but doesn't always require preliminary animal trials to precede human
trials to be included in applications submitted to it for emergency use
and/or licensing. Moderna did test its vaccine on pregnant rats and
found no adverse effects on either the mother rats or their offspring.
Pregnant animal studies are on-going at Pfizer.

(2) The decision to Approve and/or use drugs and biologics, both from a
regulatory and clinical frame of reference is predicated on risk vs.
benefit. The effects of COVID-19 infection on the elderly, the very
young, and women who are pregnant was known adequately when the FDA
issued the emergency use authorizations for both the Pfizer and the
Moderna vaccines to enable the FDA to authorize vaccine administration
to those groups. The risks of COVID-19 infection were devastating on
the elderly and although rarer, almost equally devastating when they
affected pregnant women. The CDC web site includes the following:
"Observational data demonstrate that, while the chances for these severe
health effects are low, pregnant people with COVID-19 have an increased
risk of severe illness, including illness that results in ICU admission,
mechanical ventilation, and death compared with non-pregnant women of
reproductive age. Additionally, pregnant people with COVID-19 might be
at increased risk of adverse pregnancy outcomes, such as preterm birth,
compared with pregnant women without COVID-19." There was insufficient
data to authorize the vaccines for the very young, who seem to have a
much lower incidence of clinical symptoms (i.e., risk) when proven to be
infected. Therefore, the vaccines were only authorized for the cohort
ages that were used in the Phase I, II, and III trials. Trials are
ongoing at both Moderna and Pfizer to test the safety and efficacy of
their vaccines in a well controlled cohort of younger people. In
simpler terms, pregnant women, just as with the elderly are at much
greater risk of severe outcomes from a COVID-19 infection. Therefore,
the risk vs. benefit assessment strongly favors benefit for those
groups. Therefore, the FDA allows the vaccines to be administered to
pregnant women after they are given pregnancy-specific detailed
information about the known risks and benefits in consultation with
their obstetrician.

In conclusion, what is your point? Are you suggesting that tens of
thousands or possibly hundreds of thousands of additional people,
possibly including your own loved ones, friends, etc. or even yourself
should die without the opportunity to be vaccinated until what endpoint
of certainty are you suggesting be reached prior to vaccine approval?
Personally, I think the currently approved vaccines met an appropriate
balance of risk vs. benefit to warrant their release under the currently
issued emergency use authorization.