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On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 11:56:17 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

N-Zero wrote :
On 8/15/20 11:14 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
!commie explained on 8/15/2020 :
On 8/15/20 6:44 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Moron's opinions matter, look at how Trump got elected. Many people
still don't understand the idea behind masks for source control and
respirators for personal protection - it is even evidenced here in this
group.


Every time you buy an N-Zero mask, you're making a contribution to the
Chinese Communist Party.* You've been duped.

My ancestors gifted me the best country on the planet and I'm going to do
my best to keep it that way.

Both of my masks were given to me for free by medical professionals. They
seem to think that they are helpful in reducing contamination of public
areas.

Who knew!?


Masks were prolly stolen from their employer?

They handed them out at the hospital entrances in clear view of their
employer. That's pretty blatant.

They were also supposed to be used once and deposited in the biohazard
bin but you are still using the same 2.

Did Trump tell you that?

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On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 18:09:28 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 1:35:31 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:33:09 -0400, devnull wrote:

Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden called for governors to
implement mask mandates for the next three months, saying that doing so
would save 40,000 Americans' lives.

"Every single American should be wearing a mask when they're outside
for the next three months as a minimum," the former vice president told
reporters after he and his running mate, California Sen. Kamala Harris,
received a briefing on the pandemic from public health experts.

Wearing masks, he said, "is going to get our kids back to school sooner
and safer" and would "get our businesses back long-term."

"Look, this is America. Be a patriot," Biden said in a message directed
at those resistant to wearing masks. "Protect your fellow citizens.
Step up. Do the right thing."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPpcf_vgU1Q

(Story from CNN so it's gospel_4)


The stupidity is thinking that if everyone just wore a mask for 3
months this virus would just go away.
I know Rod and Trader like to point to islands and autocratic states
and say "see masks work" but they ignore the fact that they
effectively closed their borders and forced EVERYONE crossing those
borders into government enforces quarantine before the virus had a
chance to take hold. We can't even start to enforce our borders, much
less quarantine people at the point of a government gun. We couldn't
even hold off the cruise ships full of Covid victims.

No need to point to China, SK, Taiwan, NX, EU for that anymore, though
I would hope you could learn from them too. We can
just point to NY, NJ, CT. We are the mirror image of the disasters in
your state of FL. You're setting record highs for new cases and deaths,
compared to April, while we've put Covid down.


Those states are still locked down. All that proves is if we keep our
knee on the neck of the economy the numbers will look better.
Florida is looking better too as soon as the dust settled from opening
the bars.

In the mean time New Zealand proved exactly what I have been saying.

Bull**** it did.

One dock worker infected 280 people before they could stop it

And then they could have no lockdown at all.

and that is an island (one of two) with the strictest
of immigration and quarantine control.

Vietnam isnt an island, stupid.

How would that work in the US with porous borders,

Stop the porous borders like we have.

a large population of people in high risk industries that we don't
even know the real identity of and free travel nation wide?

Stop the free travel nation wide, stupid.

On 08/14/2020 11:00 PM, %% wrote:
That’s isnt trying to blame that, and nothing desperate about it.

It obviously matters if the outbreak is due to that
so far not observed way of infection getting into
the country or if its actually due to a failure of the
quarantine of people arriving in the country like
say someone becoming infectious much later
than usual. after the quarantine time had expired.

Perhaps 'desperate' was an overstatement but when you've implemented all
the recommendations forcefully and still have a new outbreak, you've got
some 'splaining to do.

The frozen food seems like a stretch but I can see it becoming the next
big panic;

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...virus-13016174

In other news, the increase of pizza deliveries to locked down people
and the disruption of the pork processing industry is leading to a
drastic price increase of pepperoni.

On 08/15/2020 04:39 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
rbowman explained on 8/14/2020 :
On 08/14/2020 08:03 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Ed Pawlowski explained on 8/14/2020 :
On 8/13/2020 8:07 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
After serious thinking devnull wrote :
Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden called for governors to
implement mask mandates for the next three months, saying that doing
so would save 40,000 Americans' lives.

"Could save..." would have been a better choice of words IMO.

"Every single American should be wearing a mask when they're outside
for the next three months as a minimum,"

Why outside? and why only single Americans?

Okay, I was just kidding about the 'single' thing, but outside I am
nowhere near anybody and will not be wearing a mask.

Most of us know he meant outside the home among others.

Oh, the old "well, you know what I meant" defense for lazy language.

We also know that Trump stirred up **** to say it was going to be a
Presidential edict which it is not. Biden clearly stated governors.

A public speaker should not leave it up to individual interpretation, he
or she should state explicitly what is meant. This 'off the cuff' stuff
is great fodder for the opposition, he should have a speechwriter
working for him if he wants to win.

The authors on the bible, the constitution. and other documents didn't
do a great job so you can't blame Ol' Joe.

I'm not blaming Joe, I'm suggesting his 'off the cuff' remarks are not
helping him.

Yeah, but 'off the cuff' is Joe. They used to be amusing if a little
weird at times but they're starting to become troubling. I don't know if
his campaign can keep him on script.

On 08/15/2020 09:56 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
N-Zero wrote :
On 8/15/20 11:14 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
!commie explained on 8/15/2020 :
On 8/15/20 6:44 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Moron's opinions matter, look at how Trump got elected. Many people
still don't understand the idea behind masks for source control and
respirators for personal protection - it is even evidenced here in
this group.


Every time you buy an N-Zero mask, you're making a contribution to
the Chinese Communist Party. You've been duped.

My ancestors gifted me the best country on the planet and I'm going
to do my best to keep it that way.

Both of my masks were given to me for free by medical professionals.
They seem to think that they are helpful in reducing contamination of
public areas.

Who knew!?


Masks were prolly stolen from their employer?

They handed them out at the hospital entrances in clear view of their
employer. That's pretty blatant.

The VA office down the street has a couple of people at the entrance
with the questionnaires and masks. They're under the portico but I
wonder what they'll do come winter.

On 08/15/2020 09:29 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Follow the CDC's recommendations. It's not just a good idea, it is the
law in some places. That would work for me, but what about the
enthralled followers of Trump? They trust InfoWars over CDC or any other
legit authoritative source.

Follow the bouncing ball... The FDA has decided non-contact temperature
measurements are not a useful diagnostic tool and may miss 50% of
infected people. Will the CDC follow suit or go their own way? Then
there is WHO over in the peanut gallery.

Then there is the new study that the neck gaiters and bandannas that are
popular around here are literally worse than nothing for 'source control'.

rbowman was thinking very hard :
On 08/15/2020 09:56 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
N-Zero wrote :
On 8/15/20 11:14 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
!commie explained on 8/15/2020 :
On 8/15/20 6:44 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Moron's opinions matter, look at how Trump got elected. Many people
still don't understand the idea behind masks for source control and
respirators for personal protection - it is even evidenced here in
this group.


Every time you buy an N-Zero mask, you're making a contribution to
the Chinese Communist Party. You've been duped.

My ancestors gifted me the best country on the planet and I'm going
to do my best to keep it that way.

Both of my masks were given to me for free by medical professionals.
They seem to think that they are helpful in reducing contamination of
public areas.

Who knew!?


Masks were prolly stolen from their employer?

They handed them out at the hospital entrances in clear view of their
employer. That's pretty blatant.

The VA office down the street has a couple of people at the entrance with the
questionnaires and masks. They're under the portico but I wonder what they'll
do come winter.

At my local hospital they used to have a tent set-up for COVID-19
testing off to the side in the rear parking lot. Now they have the
entire back parking lot blocked off so only those there for tests can
go back there. That is where there used to be really convenient parking
for access to the Cancer Center entrance where I go.

They were helpful in showing me how to get there from inside the front
entrance, it is a maze of hallways in there.

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On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 19:55:26 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 08/14/2020 11:35 AM, wrote:
The stupidity is thinking that if everyone just wore a mask for 3
months this virus would just go away.
I know Rod and Trader like to point to islands and autocratic states
and say "see masks work" but they ignore the fact that they
effectively closed their borders and forced EVERYONE crossing those
borders into government enforces quarantine before the virus had a
chance to take hold. We can't even start to enforce our borders, much
less quarantine people at the point of a government gun. We couldn't
even hold off the cruise ships full of Covid victims.

The Dictator of New Zealand is frantically trying to blame their new
outbreak on frozen chicken parts.

The last I heard

Then you need a new hearing aid, bad.

was one dock worker

The index case isnt known and it isnt known
if it was a dock worker or someone from one
of the quarantine hotels either yet.

who managed to infect 280 people by the
time they figured out they had a problem.

Another bare faced lie. It is nothing like 280
who have tested positive yet. Just 17 in fact.

They rounded them all up and tossed them in one of the empty hotels.

Another pig ignorant lie.

They just hope they got them all.

It isnt hope, they are testing known contacts.

That is the problem with contact tracing. A guy might not
be willing to admit to his outside lover with his wife listening.

But they will show up as infected later, stupid.

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On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 22:52:39 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 22:58:00 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 14:00:22 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:35:05 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:33:09 -0400, devnull wrote:

Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden called for governors to
implement mask mandates for the next three months, saying that doing
so would save 40,000 Americans' lives.

"Every single American should be wearing a mask when they're outside
for the next three months as a minimum," the former vice president
told reporters after he and his running mate, California Sen. Kamala
Harris, received a briefing on the pandemic from public health
experts.

Wearing masks, he said, "is going to get our kids back to school
sooner and safer" and would "get our businesses back long-term."

"Look, this is America. Be a patriot," Biden said in a message
directed at those resistant to wearing masks. "Protect your fellow
citizens. Step up. Do the right thing."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPpcf_vgU1Q

(Story from CNN so it's gospel_4)


The stupidity is thinking that if everyone just wore a mask for 3
months this virus would just go away.

Too extreme, as usual. No shades of gray with you, just black and white.
There is every reason to believe that a high percentage of mask-wearing
would bring the numbers under control. That's not as good as your "go
away"
criteria, but it's far better than the wildly uncontrolled situation we
have now, with a thousand people a day being killed by the virus.

You hate to hear it, but look at the vast majority of the rest of the
world
for examples of how to do it and be successful. Look at the US as a
shining
example of how not to do it.


I know Rod and Trader like to point to islands and autocratic states
and say "see masks work" but they ignore the fact that they
effectively closed their borders and forced EVERYONE crossing those
borders into government enforces quarantine before the virus had a
chance to take hold. We can't even start to enforce our borders, much
less quarantine people at the point of a government gun. We couldn't

More of your "it's too hard, let's do nothing" approach. How is that
working out for you suckers in Florida?


even hold off the cruise ships full of Covid victims.

Why would anyone want to "hold off" the cruise ships? Do you think
they'd
magically shrug it off or something?
You still making the mistake of expecting "wisdum" from Fretwell???

I give him every opportunity and he never fails to disappoint.

You see what you want to see.
If you don't you make **** up.

You have done that in spades with New Zealand.

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On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 11:56:17 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

N-Zero wrote :
On 8/15/20 11:14 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
!commie explained on 8/15/2020 :
On 8/15/20 6:44 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Moron's opinions matter, look at how Trump got elected. Many people
still
don't understand the idea behind masks for source control and
respirators
for personal protection - it is even evidenced here in this group.


Every time you buy an N-Zero mask, you're making a contribution to the
Chinese Communist Party. You've been duped.

My ancestors gifted me the best country on the planet and I'm going to
do
my best to keep it that way.

Both of my masks were given to me for free by medical professionals.
They
seem to think that they are helpful in reducing contamination of public
areas.

Who knew!?


Masks were prolly stolen from their employer?

They handed them out at the hospital entrances in clear view of their
employer. That's pretty blatant.

They were also supposed to be used once and deposited in the biohazard
bin but you are still using the same 2.

Doesnt matter when this virus only lasts for days on those.

On 8/15/2020 3:17 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/15/2020 09:56 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
N-Zero wrote :
On 8/15/20 11:14 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
!commie explained on 8/15/2020 :
On 8/15/20 6:44 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Moron's opinions matter, look at how Trump got elected. Many people
still don't understand the idea behind masks for source control and
respirators for personal protection - it is even evidenced here in
this group.


Every time you buy an N-Zero mask, you're making a contribution to
the Chinese Communist Party.* You've been duped.

My ancestors gifted me the best country on the planet and I'm going
to do my best to keep it that way.

Both of my masks were given to me for free by medical professionals.
They seem to think that they are helpful in reducing contamination of
public areas.

Who knew!?


Masks were prolly stolen from their employer?

They handed them out at the hospital entrances in clear view of their
employer. That's pretty blatant.

The VA office down the street has a couple of people at the entrance with the questionnaires and masks. They're under the portico but I wonder what they'll do come winter.


This fake virus will magically disappear in about 80 days.

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On 08/14/2020 11:00 PM, %% wrote:
That’s isnt trying to blame that, and nothing desperate about it.

It obviously matters if the outbreak is due to that
so far not observed way of infection getting into
the country or if its actually due to a failure of the
quarantine of people arriving in the country like
say someone becoming infectious much later
than usual. after the quarantine time had expired.

Perhaps 'desperate' was an overstatement

No perhaps about it, its just silly.

but when you've implemented all the recommendations

They werent recommendations, they were policy choices.

forcefully

That wasn’t what happened either.

and still have a new outbreak, you've got some 'splaining to do.

Nope, just need to work out how it happened so that it
doesn’t happen again. It would be stupid not to do that.
particularly given that both possibilities are avoidable.

The frozen food seems like a stretch

Particularly given that it hasn’t been observed
to be the source of infection world wide.

but I can see it becoming the next big panic;

More fool you.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...virus-13016174

In other news, the increase of pizza deliveries to locked down people and
the disruption of the pork processing industry is leading to a drastic
price increase of pepperoni.

Just more mindless media bull****.

On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 13:13:58 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Yeah, but 'off the cuff' is Joe. They used to be amusing if a little
weird at times but they're starting to become troubling. I don't know if
his campaign can keep him on script.

I don't know if there's any means to STOP you from gossiping, senile gossip!

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On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 13:17:03 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


The VA office down the street has a couple of people at the entrance
with the questionnaires and masks. They're under the portico but I
wonder what they'll do come winter.

LOL! You are worse than any gossiping washerwoman, lowbrowwoman!

On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 13:24:01 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Follow the bouncing ball... The FDA has decided non-contact temperature
measurements are not a useful diagnostic tool and may miss 50% of
infected people.

Why, oh why, didn't you endlessly blathering senile asshole get infected
yet? LOL

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troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Perhaps 'desperate' was an overstatement but when you've implemented all
the recommendations forcefully and still have a new outbreak

Good grief! Just get the **** out of Usenet, you perverted, endlessly
babbling senile assholes!

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On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 15:49:43 -0400, Roger Oveur
wrote:

On 8/15/2020 3:17 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/15/2020 09:56 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
N-Zero wrote :
On 8/15/20 11:14 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
!commie explained on 8/15/2020 :
On 8/15/20 6:44 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Moron's opinions matter, look at how Trump got elected. Many people
still don't understand the idea behind masks for source control and
respirators for personal protection - it is even evidenced here in
this group.


Every time you buy an N-Zero mask, you're making a contribution to
the Chinese Communist Party.* You've been duped.

My ancestors gifted me the best country on the planet and I'm going
to do my best to keep it that way.

Both of my masks were given to me for free by medical professionals.
They seem to think that they are helpful in reducing contamination of
public areas.

Who knew!?


Masks were prolly stolen from their employer?

They handed them out at the hospital entrances in clear view of their
employer. That's pretty blatant.

The VA office down the street has a couple of people at the entrance with the questionnaires and masks. They're under the portico but I wonder what they'll do come winter.


This fake virus will magically disappear in about 80 days.

You're probably giving Biden more credit than he deserves. Trump has the
country in a very deep hole and it's going to take a while to dig out.

Jim Joyce writes:

On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 15:49:43 -0400, Roger Oveur
wrote:

On 8/15/2020 3:17 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/15/2020 09:56 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
N-Zero wrote :
On 8/15/20 11:14 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
!commie explained on 8/15/2020 :
On 8/15/20 6:44 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Moron's opinions matter, look at how Trump got elected. Many people
still don't understand the idea behind masks for source control and
respirators for personal protection - it is even evidenced here in
this group.


Every time you buy an N-Zero mask, you're making a contribution to
the Chinese Communist Party.Â* You've been duped.

My ancestors gifted me the best country on the planet and I'm going
to do my best to keep it that way.

Both of my masks were given to me for free by medical professionals.
They seem to think that they are helpful in reducing contamination of
public areas.

Who knew!?


Masks were prolly stolen from their employer?

They handed them out at the hospital entrances in clear view of their
employer. That's pretty blatant.

The VA office down the street has a couple of people at the entrance with the questionnaires and masks. They're under the portico but I wonder what they'll do come winter.


This fake virus will magically disappear in about 80 days.

You're probably giving Biden more credit than he deserves. Trump has the
country in a very deep hole and it's going to take a while to dig out.

I think he means, the Democrats are just making up all these deaths and illness and
they'll stop lying about it after they are in office. Yep, he's that
much of an idiot. Well, idiot, asshole, or maybe just a reasonable
person working in Moscow to sow as much strife in the USA as possible.

Can you believe most of these idiots/assholes think of themselves
as loyal, patriotic Americans. I ask, how can you be a patriotic American
if you hate about half the citizens of the country?

This particular piece of **** works all day to spread as much hate as he can.

--
Dan Espen

On 08/15/2020 01:25 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
At my local hospital they used to have a tent set-up for COVID-19
testing off to the side in the rear parking lot. Now they have the
entire back parking lot blocked off so only those there for tests can go
back there. That is where there used to be really convenient parking for
access to the Cancer Center entrance where I go.

I think they moved the local test center from the fairgrounds to
someplace more suitable. I haven't paid much attention since you don't
go there unless you're symptomatic and vetted by a health care provider.
That blows a hole in the asymptomatic thing but with limited kits and
turn around times of at least a week, what are you going to do?

Dan Espen presented the following explanation :
Jim Joyce writes:

On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 15:49:43 -0400, Roger Oveur
wrote:

On 8/15/2020 3:17 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/15/2020 09:56 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
N-Zero wrote :
On 8/15/20 11:14 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
!commie explained on 8/15/2020 :
On 8/15/20 6:44 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Moron's opinions matter, look at how Trump got elected. Many people
still don't understand the idea behind masks for source control and
respirators for personal protection - it is even evidenced here in
this group.


Every time you buy an N-Zero mask, you're making a contribution to
the Chinese Communist Party.* You've been duped.

My ancestors gifted me the best country on the planet and I'm going
to do my best to keep it that way.

Both of my masks were given to me for free by medical professionals.
They seem to think that they are helpful in reducing contamination of
public areas.

Who knew!?


Masks were prolly stolen from their employer?

They handed them out at the hospital entrances in clear view of their
employer. That's pretty blatant.

The VA office down the street has a couple of people at the entrance with
the questionnaires and masks. They're under the portico but I wonder what
they'll do come winter.


This fake virus will magically disappear in about 80 days.

You're probably giving Biden more credit than he deserves. Trump has the
country in a very deep hole and it's going to take a while to dig out.

I think he means, the Democrats are just making up all these deaths and
illness and they'll stop lying about it after they are in office. Yep, he's
that much of an idiot. Well, idiot, asshole, or maybe just a reasonable
person working in Moscow to sow as much strife in the USA as possible.

Can you believe most of these idiots/assholes think of themselves
as loyal, patriotic Americans. I ask, how can you be a patriotic American
if you hate about half the citizens of the country?

This particular piece of **** works all day to spread as much hate as he can.

Our many-named propagandist sure does type some silly ****.

On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 14:48:14 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

submitted this idea :
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 11:56:17 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

N-Zero wrote :
On 8/15/20 11:14 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
!commie explained on 8/15/2020 :
On 8/15/20 6:44 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Moron's opinions matter, look at how Trump got elected. Many people
still don't understand the idea behind masks for source control and
respirators for personal protection - it is even evidenced here in this
group.


Every time you buy an N-Zero mask, you're making a contribution to the
Chinese Communist Party.Â* You've been duped.

My ancestors gifted me the best country on the planet and I'm going to do
my best to keep it that way.

Both of my masks were given to me for free by medical professionals. They
seem to think that they are helpful in reducing contamination of public
areas.

Who knew!?


Masks were prolly stolen from their employer?

They handed them out at the hospital entrances in clear view of their
employer. That's pretty blatant.

They were also supposed to be used once and deposited in the biohazard
bin but you are still using the same 2.

Did Trump tell you that?

The standard medical protocols tell you that.
This is not a medical situation?
Thanks you are right, it is political.

On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 13:13:58 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 08/15/2020 04:39 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
rbowman explained on 8/14/2020 :
On 08/14/2020 08:03 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Ed Pawlowski explained on 8/14/2020 :
On 8/13/2020 8:07 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
After serious thinking devnull wrote :
Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden called for governors to
implement mask mandates for the next three months, saying that doing
so would save 40,000 Americans' lives.

"Could save..." would have been a better choice of words IMO.

"Every single American should be wearing a mask when they're outside
for the next three months as a minimum,"

Why outside? and why only single Americans?

Okay, I was just kidding about the 'single' thing, but outside I am
nowhere near anybody and will not be wearing a mask.

Most of us know he meant outside the home among others.

Oh, the old "well, you know what I meant" defense for lazy language.

We also know that Trump stirred up **** to say it was going to be a
Presidential edict which it is not. Biden clearly stated governors.

A public speaker should not leave it up to individual interpretation, he
or she should state explicitly what is meant. This 'off the cuff' stuff
is great fodder for the opposition, he should have a speechwriter
working for him if he wants to win.

The authors on the bible, the constitution. and other documents didn't
do a great job so you can't blame Ol' Joe.

I'm not blaming Joe, I'm suggesting his 'off the cuff' remarks are not
helping him.

Yeah, but 'off the cuff' is Joe. They used to be amusing if a little
weird at times but they're starting to become troubling. I don't know if
his campaign can keep him on script.


The debates will be a food fight. I may actually record these, just
for the clips. ;-)

On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 13:24:01 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 08/15/2020 09:29 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Follow the CDC's recommendations. It's not just a good idea, it is the
law in some places. That would work for me, but what about the
enthralled followers of Trump? They trust InfoWars over CDC or any other
legit authoritative source.

Follow the bouncing ball... The FDA has decided non-contact temperature
measurements are not a useful diagnostic tool and may miss 50% of
infected people. Will the CDC follow suit or go their own way? Then
there is WHO over in the peanut gallery.

Then there is the new study that the neck gaiters and bandannas that are
popular around here are literally worse than nothing for 'source control'.



I think someone here said that ;-)
Yet most said a bandana was fine, all said better than nothing..

With no standards there is no science. What is a mask?
The things called surgical masks we see at Costco usually say "Not
medical equipment" right on the box because they are not made to any
standard either.

On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 05:43:17 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 11:56:17 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

N-Zero wrote :
On 8/15/20 11:14 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
!commie explained on 8/15/2020 :
On 8/15/20 6:44 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Moron's opinions matter, look at how Trump got elected. Many people
still
don't understand the idea behind masks for source control and
respirators
for personal protection - it is even evidenced here in this group.


Every time you buy an N-Zero mask, you're making a contribution to the
Chinese Communist Party. You've been duped.

My ancestors gifted me the best country on the planet and I'm going to
do
my best to keep it that way.

Both of my masks were given to me for free by medical professionals.
They
seem to think that they are helpful in reducing contamination of public
areas.

Who knew!?


Masks were prolly stolen from their employer?

They handed them out at the hospital entrances in clear view of their
employer. That's pretty blatant.

They were also supposed to be used once and deposited in the biohazard
bin but you are still using the same 2.

Doesnt matter when this virus only lasts for days on those.

How much cross contamination can you have in "days"?
New Zealand is trying to blame their cluster on a frozen food box that
was probably on a ship for a week or two.

On 08/15/2020 05:54 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 13:13:58 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 08/15/2020 04:39 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
rbowman explained on 8/14/2020 :
On 08/14/2020 08:03 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Ed Pawlowski explained on 8/14/2020 :
On 8/13/2020 8:07 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
After serious thinking devnull wrote :
Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden called for governors to
implement mask mandates for the next three months, saying that doing
so would save 40,000 Americans' lives.

"Could save..." would have been a better choice of words IMO.

"Every single American should be wearing a mask when they're outside
for the next three months as a minimum,"

Why outside? and why only single Americans?

Okay, I was just kidding about the 'single' thing, but outside I am
nowhere near anybody and will not be wearing a mask.

Most of us know he meant outside the home among others.

Oh, the old "well, you know what I meant" defense for lazy language.

We also know that Trump stirred up **** to say it was going to be a
Presidential edict which it is not. Biden clearly stated governors.

A public speaker should not leave it up to individual interpretation, he
or she should state explicitly what is meant. This 'off the cuff' stuff
is great fodder for the opposition, he should have a speechwriter
working for him if he wants to win.

The authors on the bible, the constitution. and other documents didn't
do a great job so you can't blame Ol' Joe.

I'm not blaming Joe, I'm suggesting his 'off the cuff' remarks are not
helping him.

Yeah, but 'off the cuff' is Joe. They used to be amusing if a little
weird at times but they're starting to become troubling. I don't know if
his campaign can keep him on script.


The debates will be a food fight. I may actually record these, just
for the clips. ;-)


What are the current odds on the betting sites that there will be
debates? Or if there are, what are the odds Joe will parrot the replies
being fed into his ear piece without going off script? One "You
dog-faced pony soldier, you wanna take this outside?' and it's all over.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 13:24:01 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 08/15/2020 09:29 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Follow the CDC's recommendations. It's not just a good idea, it is the
law in some places. That would work for me, but what about the
enthralled followers of Trump? They trust InfoWars over CDC or any other
legit authoritative source.

Follow the bouncing ball... The FDA has decided non-contact temperature
measurements are not a useful diagnostic tool and may miss 50% of
infected people. Will the CDC follow suit or go their own way? Then
there is WHO over in the peanut gallery.

Then there is the new study that the neck gaiters and bandannas that are
popular around here are literally worse than nothing for 'source control'.

I think someone here said that ;-)

Yes, but you ****ed that up. The study in vietnam didn't say that.

Yet most said a bandana was fine,

That's bull**** too.

all said better than nothing..

More lies.

With no standards there is no science.

More mindless silly stuff.

What is a mask?

The things called surgical masks we see at Costco
usually say "Not medical equipment" right on the box
because they are not made to any standard either.

Irrelevant to whether they are better than nothing.

wrote in message
news
On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 05:43:17 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 11:56:17 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

N-Zero wrote :
On 8/15/20 11:14 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
!commie explained on 8/15/2020 :
On 8/15/20 6:44 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Moron's opinions matter, look at how Trump got elected. Many people
still
don't understand the idea behind masks for source control and
respirators
for personal protection - it is even evidenced here in this group.


Every time you buy an N-Zero mask, you're making a contribution to
the
Chinese Communist Party. You've been duped.

My ancestors gifted me the best country on the planet and I'm going
to
do
my best to keep it that way.

Both of my masks were given to me for free by medical professionals.
They
seem to think that they are helpful in reducing contamination of
public
areas.

Who knew!?


Masks were prolly stolen from their employer?

They handed them out at the hospital entrances in clear view of their
employer. That's pretty blatant.

They were also supposed to be used once and deposited in the biohazard
bin but you are still using the same 2.

Doesnt matter when this virus only lasts for days on those.

How much cross contamination can you have in "days"?

None when you have enough of a clue to
have a separate container for each day.

New Zealand is trying to blame their cluster on a frozen food box

That is another bare faced lie. They are in fact just checking
that possibility as well as the other obvious possibility and
have already ruled out the other obvious possibility that it
was just lurking unnoticed from the previous infections by
showing that the strain is quite different to the earlier ones.

? that was probably on a ship for a week or two.

It doesnt take a week or to get from Melbourne to Auckland by ship.

On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 20:00:31 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


What are the current odds on the betting sites that there will be
debates?

The current odds are that all you senile idiots will be bull****ting on ahr
until until you FINALLY are pushing daisies!

On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:34:55 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile cretin's latest troll**** unread

--
dennis@home to know-it-all Rodent Speed:
"You really should stop commenting on things you know nothing about."
Message-ID:

On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 17:44:07 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:



I think

Don't! It doesn't behove a Trumptard to do so!

On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:29:22 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

--
about senile Rot Speed:
"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage."
MID:

On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 7:55:34 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 13:13:58 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 08/15/2020 04:39 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
rbowman explained on 8/14/2020 :
On 08/14/2020 08:03 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Ed Pawlowski explained on 8/14/2020 :
On 8/13/2020 8:07 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
After serious thinking devnull wrote :
Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden called for governors to
implement mask mandates for the next three months, saying that doing
so would save 40,000 Americans' lives.

"Could save..." would have been a better choice of words IMO.

"Every single American should be wearing a mask when they're outside
for the next three months as a minimum,"

Why outside? and why only single Americans?

Okay, I was just kidding about the 'single' thing, but outside I am
nowhere near anybody and will not be wearing a mask.

Most of us know he meant outside the home among others.

Oh, the old "well, you know what I meant" defense for lazy language.

We also know that Trump stirred up **** to say it was going to be a
Presidential edict which it is not. Biden clearly stated governors.

A public speaker should not leave it up to individual interpretation, he
or she should state explicitly what is meant. This 'off the cuff' stuff
is great fodder for the opposition, he should have a speechwriter
working for him if he wants to win.

The authors on the bible, the constitution. and other documents didn't
do a great job so you can't blame Ol' Joe.

I'm not blaming Joe, I'm suggesting his 'off the cuff' remarks are not
helping him.

Yeah, but 'off the cuff' is Joe. They used to be amusing if a little
weird at times but they're starting to become troubling. I don't know if
his campaign can keep him on script.


The debates will be a food fight. I may actually record these, just
for the clips. ;-)

Trump has set the bar very low for Biden. Trump claims he;s senile and
totally incompetent. If Biden just does OK, he wins. And I think there
is a good chance Biden will do a lot better than just OK.

On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 8:06:55 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 05:43:17 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 11:56:17 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

N-Zero wrote :
On 8/15/20 11:14 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
!commie explained on 8/15/2020 :
On 8/15/20 6:44 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
Moron's opinions matter, look at how Trump got elected. Many people
still
don't understand the idea behind masks for source control and
respirators
for personal protection - it is even evidenced here in this group..


Every time you buy an N-Zero mask, you're making a contribution to the
Chinese Communist Party. You've been duped.

My ancestors gifted me the best country on the planet and I'm going to
do
my best to keep it that way.

Both of my masks were given to me for free by medical professionals..
They
seem to think that they are helpful in reducing contamination of public
areas.

Who knew!?


Masks were prolly stolen from their employer?

They handed them out at the hospital entrances in clear view of their
employer. That's pretty blatant.

They were also supposed to be used once and deposited in the biohazard
bin but you are still using the same 2.

Doesnt matter when this virus only lasts for days on those.

How much cross contamination can you have in "days"?
New Zealand is trying to blame their cluster on a frozen food box that
was probably on a ship for a week or two.

Has NZ said that? First that I've heard of it.

On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 12:35:02 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 18:09:28 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 1:35:31 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:33:09 -0400, devnull wrote:

Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden called for governors to implement mask mandates for the next three months, saying that doing so would save 40,000 Americans' lives.

"Every single American should be wearing a mask when they're outside for the next three months as a minimum," the former vice president told reporters after he and his running mate, California Sen. Kamala Harris, received a briefing on the pandemic from public health experts.

Wearing masks, he said, "is going to get our kids back to school sooner and safer" and would "get our businesses back long-term."

"Look, this is America. Be a patriot," Biden said in a message directed at those resistant to wearing masks. "Protect your fellow citizens. Step up. Do the right thing."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPpcf_vgU1Q

(Story from CNN so it's gospel_4)


The stupidity is thinking that if everyone just wore a mask for 3
months this virus would just go away.
I know Rod and Trader like to point to islands and autocratic states
and say "see masks work" but they ignore the fact that they
effectively closed their borders and forced EVERYONE crossing those
borders into government enforces quarantine before the virus had a
chance to take hold. We can't even start to enforce our borders, much
less quarantine people at the point of a government gun. We couldn't
even hold off the cruise ships full of Covid victims.

No need to point to China, SK, Taiwan, NX, EU for that anymore, though
I would hope you could learn from them too. We can
just point to NY, NJ, CT. We are the mirror image of the disasters in
your state of FL. You're setting record highs for new cases and deaths, compared to April, while we've put Covid down.


Those states are still locked down.

Says who? Most people are back at work or never stopped working. Stores
are open, shopping malls are open, mass transit is running, restaurants
are open for takeout and outdoor dining, amateur sports are going on,
golf courses are open, parks are open. What's still closed are inside
dining, bars, gyms, large sporting events, large gatherings. You know,
kind of what FL and other states are slowly doing now that it's too late
and Covid is out of control. Same with the foreign countries.




All that proves is if we keep our
knee on the neck of the economy the numbers will look better.
Florida is looking better too as soon as the dust settled from opening
the bars.

Yeah and what a genius idea that was. We told you here what was going to
happen in the reckless states, those that followed Trump over the cliff and
now it has.



In the mean time New Zealand proved exactly what I have been saying.
One dock worker infected 280 people before they could stop it and that
is an island (one of two) with the strictest of immigration and
quarantine control.

You manage to look at something and draw the totally wrong conclusion.
That NZ has a small cluster of 280, quickly found it, contact traced it
and are containing it is how it's supposed to work.




How would that work in the US with porous borders,
a large population of people in high risk industries that we don't
even know the real identity of and free travel nation wide? The
Westchester epidemic was started by one Rabbi.

Those are not the problems with the USA. We have just one problem, which
is we're saddled with a president who is an incompetent moron, incapable
of coming even close to what's needed to discharge the duties of his office..
And on top of that, he's a congenital liar and denier.