Just a big hoax, folks.

Why do you think McFart brought up his "name" 23 times during the faux-
debate the other night?

As details emerge, you'll find this guy, who not only doesn't want to
pay high taxes, but doesn't even pay taxes at all, is not even a
licensed plumber -- he's thus an outlaw -- and the so-called company
he "works for" is not licensed to do plumbing in Ohio.

Topping it off, Joe the Liar is not even registered to vote and has
"no comment" about how he just managed to "meet" Obama during the
rally that attracted a huge crowd. Just in time to be written into
McTurd's debate notes.

Fact is, Joe the Bum was dredged up by Republican tricksters to
"confront" Obama at a campaign stop, to complain about Barack's plans
for taxation. Turns out Joe the Hoax has no prospects for owning a
business, much less a knowledge of the implications of Obama's tax
plans. Or the honesty and decency to know he should pay taxes owed.

He's just a DAFFI DUMB **** in work boots -- a clueless fake and lying
fraud.

REPUBLICAN FAKE ...

-------------------------

"After Debate, Glare Of Media Hits Joe"

"Plumbers Union, Tax Collectors Notice"

By Robert Barnes
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 17, 2008; A02


"The real winner" of Wednesday night's debate, John McCain said
yesterday at a campaign stop in Downingtown, Pa., "was Joe the
Plumber."

That might depend on the definition of "winner."

Joe the Plumber, a.k.a. Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher of Holland, Ohio,
is suddenly (sort of) a household name, featured in a McCain ad and
sought after by networks news anchors and newspaper reporters. McCain
would like to meet him in person this weekend, but Wurzelbacher's got
a date on Mike Huckabee's Fox News show and might not have the time.

But the emergence of Joe has allowed the state of Ohio to locate the
man it says owes nearly $1,200 in back taxes. His motives for
confronting Sen. Barack Obama at a campaign stop in his neighborhood
earlier this week are the subject of intense Internet speculation. The
city of Toledo is preparing a letter to his employer seeking to
determine whether he is violating city codes, and the plumbers union
is on his tail.

"Joe the Plumber really isn't a plumber," said Thomas Joseph, business
manager of Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers,
Steamfitters and Service Mechanics, whose national membership has
endorsed Obama.

Wurzelbacher, 34, had already taken tentative steps onto the national
stage after talking to Obama on Sunday as the Democrat toured his
suburban neighborhood outside Toledo. Wurzelbacher told Obama that he
wants to buy the plumbing company he works for, and that his potential
income of more than $250,000 would make him eligible for increased
taxes under Obama's proposals.

"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" Wurzelbacher
asked.

Obama's answer to that and a question about the flat tax -- that Obama
thought it better to "spread the wealth around" -- captured the
attention of conservative media and the McCain campaign.

"Joe wants to buy the business that he has been in for all of these
years, worked 10, 12 hours a day," McCain told Obama at the start of
Wednesday night's debate. "And he wanted to buy the business, but he
looked at your tax plan and he saw that he was going to pay much
higher taxes," deferring what McCain called "the American dream."

Joe the Plumber quickly became a metaphor for the middle class, and
between them, McCain and Obama mentioned him more than two dozen
times.

The result was an avalanche of attention: "CBS Evening News" anchor
Katie Couric on the phone, "Good Morning America" awaiting an
interview, reporters in the driveway of his modest home.

"I'm completely flabbergasted with this whole thing," he told
reporters. He did not return a phone call from The Washington Post.

The morning also showed that the spotlight can be unwelcome. Reporters
wondering who Wurzelbacher is quickly found that he owes the state of
Ohio $1,182 in back taxes, leading sharp-tongued liberal commentators
to say he was not so much concerned about rising taxes as paying taxes
at all. (A spokeswoman for the state said it is possible Wurzelbacher
did not know about the lien.)

Wurzelbacher also acknowledged to reporters that he did not have a
plumber's license but said he did not need one to do residential work
with the two-man Newell Heating and Plumbing Co., which does have a
license.

David Golis, a manager in Toledo's office of building inspections,
said that is incorrect. "We were just discussing that we will send a
letter to the owner of Newell reminding him" of the city's requirement
that all who do plumbing work be licensed or in apprentice or
journeyman programs, Golis said.

Union manager Joseph said that Wurzelbacher applied for an apprentice
program in 2003 but never completed the work.

And Wurzelbacher told reporters that the goal of buying the business
was more aspirational than firm. He said his income is "not even
close" to the levels at which Obama's proposed tax increases would
kick in.

Even if Wurzelbacher's hypothetical were true, tax experts said it is
unclear whether he would pay higher taxes under Obama's plan.

Wurzelbacher told Couric that it is Obama's approach to tax increases
that are worrisome. "When's he going to decide that $100,000 is too
much, you know?" the divorced father of a 13-year-old son said. "I
mean, you're on a slippery slope here. You vote on somebody who
decides that $250,000 and you're rich? And $100,000 and you're rich? I
mean, where does it end?"

McCain senior adviser Matt McDonald said Thursday that the Republican
nominee had mentioned Wurzelbacher's encounter with Obama in a
previous speech, but the campaign had not said he would be the
centerpiece of McCain's debate performance.

That Wurzelbacher is not a licensed plumber or that his situation is
not relevant to Obama's tax proposal did not give him pause, McDonald
said. "He's a guy who asked a question that needed to be asked,"
McDonald said. "He's not a campaign staffer; he's not a surrogate.
He's not someone who was vetted, and this wasn't something
orchestrated by the campaign."

Appearing on CBS's "Late Show With David Letterman" on Thursday night,
McCain mentioned the attention Joe the Plumber was getting and said,
"Joe, if you're watching, I'm sorry."

Earlier in the day in New Hampshire, Obama said McCain advocates tax
plans that favor the rich.

"He's trying to suggest that a plumber is the guy he's fighting for,"
Obama said. "How many plumbers do you know that are making a quarter-
million dollars a year?"

Wurzelbacher has made that he is conservative and no fan of Obama --
he told Couric that Obama's answer to his question was a "tap dance"
that was "almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr." -- but declined to say
who he will be voting for Nov. 4.

That is between him and the lever in the voting booth, he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101603614.html

Does not matter who Joe is. Important thing was Obama revealing his
Socialism tendency.

On Oct 17, 7:31*am, jisseigh wrote:
Just a big hoax, folks.

Why do you think McFart brought up his "name" 23 times during the faux-
debate the other night?

As details emerge, you'll find this guy, who not only doesn't want to
pay high taxes, but doesn't even pay taxes at all, is not even a
licensed plumber -- he's thus an outlaw -- and the so-called company
he "works for" is not licensed to do plumbing in Ohio.

Topping it off, Joe the Liar is not even registered to vote and has
"no comment" about how he just managed to "meet" Obama during the
rally that attracted a huge crowd. *Just in time to be written into
McTurd's debate notes.

Fact is, Joe the Bum was dredged up by Republican tricksters to
"confront" Obama at a campaign stop, to complain about Barack's plans
for taxation. *Turns out Joe the Hoax has no prospects for owning a
business, much less a knowledge of the implications of Obama's tax
plans. *Or the honesty and decency to know he should pay taxes owed.

He's just a DAFFI DUMB **** in work boots -- a clueless fake and lying
fraud.

REPUBLICAN FAKE *...

-------------------------

"After Debate, Glare Of Media Hits Joe"

"Plumbers Union, Tax Collectors Notice"

By Robert Barnes
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 17, 2008; A02

"The real winner" of Wednesday night's debate, John McCain said
yesterday at a campaign stop in Downingtown, Pa., "was Joe the
Plumber."

That might depend on the definition of "winner."

Joe the Plumber, a.k.a. Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher of Holland, Ohio,
is suddenly (sort of) a household name, featured in a McCain ad and
sought after by networks news anchors and newspaper reporters. McCain
would like to meet him in person this weekend, but Wurzelbacher's got
a date on Mike Huckabee's Fox News show and might not have the time.

But the emergence of Joe has allowed the state of Ohio to locate the
man it says owes nearly $1,200 in back taxes. His motives for
confronting Sen. Barack Obama at a campaign stop in his neighborhood
earlier this week are the subject of intense Internet speculation. The
city of Toledo is preparing a letter to his employer seeking to
determine whether he is violating city codes, and the plumbers union
is on his tail.

"Joe the Plumber really isn't a plumber," said Thomas Joseph, business
manager of Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers,
Steamfitters and Service Mechanics, whose national membership has
endorsed Obama.

Wurzelbacher, 34, had already taken tentative steps onto the national
stage after talking to Obama on Sunday as the Democrat toured his
suburban neighborhood outside Toledo. Wurzelbacher told Obama that he
wants to buy the plumbing company he works for, and that his potential
income of more than $250,000 would make him eligible for increased
taxes under Obama's proposals.

"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" Wurzelbacher
asked.

Obama's answer to that and a question about the flat tax -- that Obama
thought it better to "spread the wealth around" -- captured the
attention of conservative media and the McCain campaign.

"Joe wants to buy the business that he has been in for all of these
years, worked 10, 12 hours a day," McCain told Obama at the start of
Wednesday night's debate. "And he wanted to buy the business, but he
looked at your tax plan and he saw that he was going to pay much
higher taxes," deferring what McCain called "the American dream."

Joe the Plumber quickly became a metaphor for the middle class, and
between them, McCain and Obama mentioned him more than two dozen
times.

The result was an avalanche of attention: "CBS Evening News" anchor
Katie Couric on the phone, "Good Morning America" awaiting an
interview, reporters in the driveway of his modest home.

"I'm completely flabbergasted with this whole thing," he told
reporters. He did not return a phone call from The Washington Post.

The morning also showed that the spotlight can be unwelcome. Reporters
wondering who Wurzelbacher is quickly found that he owes the state of
Ohio $1,182 in back taxes, leading sharp-tongued liberal commentators
to say he was not so much concerned about rising taxes as paying taxes
at all. (A spokeswoman for the state said it is possible Wurzelbacher
did not know about the lien.)

Wurzelbacher also acknowledged to reporters that he did not have a
plumber's license but said he did not need one to do residential work
with the two-man Newell Heating and Plumbing Co., which does have a
license.

David Golis, a manager in Toledo's office of building inspections,
said that is incorrect. "We were just discussing that we will send a
letter to the owner of Newell reminding him" of the city's requirement
that all who do plumbing work be licensed or in apprentice or
journeyman programs, Golis said.

Union manager Joseph said that Wurzelbacher applied for an apprentice
program in 2003 but never completed the work.

And Wurzelbacher told reporters that the goal of buying the business
was more aspirational than firm. He said his income is "not even
close" to the levels at which Obama's proposed tax increases would
kick in.

Even if Wurzelbacher's hypothetical were true, tax experts said it is
unclear whether he would pay higher taxes under Obama's plan.

Wurzelbacher told Couric that it is Obama's approach to tax increases
that are worrisome. "When's he going to decide that $100,000 is too
much, you know?" the divorced father of a 13-year-old son said. "I
mean, you're on a slippery slope here. You vote on somebody who
decides that $250,000 and you're rich? And $100,000 and you're rich? I
mean, where does it end?"

McCain senior adviser Matt McDonald said Thursday that the Republican
nominee had mentioned Wurzelbacher's encounter with Obama in a
previous speech, but the campaign had not said he would be the
centerpiece of McCain's debate performance.

That Wurzelbacher is not a licensed plumber or that his situation is
not relevant to Obama's tax proposal did not give him pause, McDonald
said. "He's a guy who asked a question that needed to be asked,"
McDonald said. "He's not a campaign staffer; he's not a surrogate.
He's not someone who was vetted, and this wasn't something
orchestrated by the campaign."

Appearing on CBS's "Late Show With David Letterman" on Thursday night,
McCain mentioned the attention Joe the Plumber was getting and said,
"Joe, if you're watching, I'm sorry."

Earlier in the day in New Hampshire, Obama said McCain advocates tax
plans that favor the rich.

"He's trying to suggest that a plumber is the guy he's fighting for,"
Obama said. "How many plumbers do you know that are making a quarter-
million dollars a year?"

Wurzelbacher has made that he is conservative and no fan of Obama --
he told Couric that Obama's answer to his question was a "tap dance"
that was "almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr." -- but declined to say
who he will be voting for Nov. 4.

That is between him and the lever in the voting booth, he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/10/16/AR200...

Its joe schmoe the idiot

jisseigh wrote:
Just a big hoax, folks.

Hmmm, you must be a Democrat operative.
*snicker*
Join PAP, the Progressive Anarchist Party.
We hate everyone equally, this country
needs more PAP.

TDD

On Oct 17, 5:41*am, ransley wrote:
On Oct 17, 7:31*am, jisseigh wrote:





Just a big hoax, folks.

Why do you think McFart brought up his "name" 23 times during the faux-
debate the other night?

As details emerge, you'll find this guy, who not only doesn't want to
pay high taxes, but doesn't even pay taxes at all, is not even a
licensed plumber -- he's thus an outlaw -- and the so-called company
he "works for" is not licensed to do plumbing in Ohio.

Topping it off, Joe the Liar is not even registered to vote and has
"no comment" about how he just managed to "meet" Obama during the
rally that attracted a huge crowd. *Just in time to be written into
McTurd's debate notes.

Fact is, Joe the Bum was dredged up by Republican tricksters to
"confront" Obama at a campaign stop, to complain about Barack's plans
for taxation. *Turns out Joe the Hoax has no prospects for owning a
business, much less a knowledge of the implications of Obama's tax
plans. *Or the honesty and decency to know he should pay taxes owed.

He's just a DAFFI DUMB **** in work boots -- a clueless fake and lying
fraud.

REPUBLICAN FAKE *...

-------------------------

"After Debate, Glare Of Media Hits Joe"

"Plumbers Union, Tax Collectors Notice"

By Robert Barnes
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 17, 2008; A02

"The real winner" of Wednesday night's debate, John McCain said
yesterday at a campaign stop in Downingtown, Pa., "was Joe the
Plumber."

That might depend on the definition of "winner."

Joe the Plumber, a.k.a. Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher of Holland, Ohio,
is suddenly (sort of) a household name, featured in a McCain ad and
sought after by networks news anchors and newspaper reporters. McCain
would like to meet him in person this weekend, but Wurzelbacher's got
a date on Mike Huckabee's Fox News show and might not have the time.

But the emergence of Joe has allowed the state of Ohio to locate the
man it says owes nearly $1,200 in back taxes. His motives for
confronting Sen. Barack Obama at a campaign stop in his neighborhood
earlier this week are the subject of intense Internet speculation. The
city of Toledo is preparing a letter to his employer seeking to
determine whether he is violating city codes, and the plumbers union
is on his tail.

"Joe the Plumber really isn't a plumber," said Thomas Joseph, business
manager of Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers,
Steamfitters and Service Mechanics, whose national membership has
endorsed Obama.

Wurzelbacher, 34, had already taken tentative steps onto the national
stage after talking to Obama on Sunday as the Democrat toured his
suburban neighborhood outside Toledo. Wurzelbacher told Obama that he
wants to buy the plumbing company he works for, and that his potential
income of more than $250,000 would make him eligible for increased
taxes under Obama's proposals.

"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" Wurzelbacher
asked.

Obama's answer to that and a question about the flat tax -- that Obama
thought it better to "spread the wealth around" -- captured the
attention of conservative media and the McCain campaign.

"Joe wants to buy the business that he has been in for all of these
years, worked 10, 12 hours a day," McCain told Obama at the start of
Wednesday night's debate. "And he wanted to buy the business, but he
looked at your tax plan and he saw that he was going to pay much
higher taxes," deferring what McCain called "the American dream."

Joe the Plumber quickly became a metaphor for the middle class, and
between them, McCain and Obama mentioned him more than two dozen
times.

The result was an avalanche of attention: "CBS Evening News" anchor
Katie Couric on the phone, "Good Morning America" awaiting an
interview, reporters in the driveway of his modest home.

"I'm completely flabbergasted with this whole thing," he told
reporters. He did not return a phone call from The Washington Post.

The morning also showed that the spotlight can be unwelcome. Reporters
wondering who Wurzelbacher is quickly found that he owes the state of
Ohio $1,182 in back taxes, leading sharp-tongued liberal commentators
to say he was not so much concerned about rising taxes as paying taxes
at all. (A spokeswoman for the state said it is possible Wurzelbacher
did not know about the lien.)

Wurzelbacher also acknowledged to reporters that he did not have a
plumber's license but said he did not need one to do residential work
with the two-man Newell Heating and Plumbing Co., which does have a
license.

David Golis, a manager in Toledo's office of building inspections,
said that is incorrect. "We were just discussing that we will send a
letter to the owner of Newell reminding him" of the city's requirement
that all who do plumbing work be licensed or in apprentice or
journeyman programs, Golis said.

Union manager Joseph said that Wurzelbacher applied for an apprentice
program in 2003 but never completed the work.

And Wurzelbacher told reporters that the goal of buying the business
was more aspirational than firm. He said his income is "not even
close" to the levels at which Obama's proposed tax increases would
kick in.

Even if Wurzelbacher's hypothetical were true, tax experts said it is
unclear whether he would pay higher taxes under Obama's plan.

Wurzelbacher told Couric that it is Obama's approach to tax increases
that are worrisome. "When's he going to decide that $100,000 is too
much, you know?" the divorced father of a 13-year-old son said. "I
mean, you're on a slippery slope here. You vote on somebody who
decides that $250,000 and you're rich? And $100,000 and you're rich? I
mean, where does it end?"

McCain senior adviser Matt McDonald said Thursday that the Republican
nominee had mentioned Wurzelbacher's encounter with Obama in a
previous speech, but the campaign had not said he would be the
centerpiece of McCain's debate performance.

That Wurzelbacher is not a licensed plumber or that his situation is
not relevant to Obama's tax proposal did not give him pause, McDonald
said. "He's a guy who asked a question that needed to be asked,"
McDonald said. "He's not a campaign staffer; he's not a surrogate.
He's not someone who was vetted, and this wasn't something
orchestrated by the campaign."

Appearing on CBS's "Late Show With David Letterman" on Thursday night,
McCain mentioned the attention Joe the Plumber was getting and said,
"Joe, if you're watching, I'm sorry."

Earlier in the day in New Hampshire, Obama said McCain advocates tax
plans that favor the rich.

"He's trying to suggest that a plumber is the guy he's fighting for,"
Obama said. "How many plumbers do you know that are making a quarter-
million dollars a year?"

Wurzelbacher has made that he is conservative and no fan of Obama --
he told Couric that Obama's answer to his question was a "tap dance"
that was "almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr." -- but declined to say
who he will be voting for Nov. 4.

That is between him and the lever in the voting booth, he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/10/16/AR200...

Its joe schmoe the idiot- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

hey maybe it was Joe 6 pack in disguise.LOL

Joe the Plumber is not a plant. Obama went to Joe's neighborhood, not
vice versa. Nor did Joe take control of Obama's brain and make him
utter a Marxist mantra.

jisseigh wrote:
Just a big hoax, folks.

Why do you think McFart brought up his "name" 23 times during the
faux- debate the other night?

Because Joe is emblematic of Obama's "share the wealth" position. Liberals
tend to believe the amount of wealth is fixed and fairness demands that it
be redistributed. Conservatives tend to believe that wealth can be created
and the more opportunities for wealth creation, the better-off everyone
becomes. That's why conservatives don't care how much money CEOs make -
conservatives believe they can create their own wealth. Conversely, liberals
believe that whatever millions a CEO makes is that much less that can go to
the folks.

Actually, Adam Smith solved this dichotomy in the late 18th century with his
monumental work: "The Wealth of Nations." It's a pity many haven't kept up.


As details emerge, you'll find this guy, who not only doesn't want to
pay high taxes, but doesn't even pay taxes at all, is not even a
licensed plumber -- he's thus an outlaw -- and the so-called company
he "works for" is not licensed to do plumbing in Ohio.

Uh, so what?



Topping it off, Joe the Liar is not even registered to vote and has
"no comment" about how he just managed to "meet" Obama during the
rally that attracted a huge crowd. Just in time to be written into
McTurd's debate notes.

Fact is, Joe the Bum was dredged up by Republican tricksters to
"confront" Obama at a campaign stop, to complain about Barack's plans
for taxation. Turns out Joe the Hoax has no prospects for owning a
business, much less a knowledge of the implications of Obama's tax
plans. Or the honesty and decency to know he should pay taxes owed.

Heh! There was no "rally" and no "huge crowd." Joe was playing catch
football with his son, in his own front yard, when Obama walked up to him.
Not a plant at all, certainly not like the protesters that infiltrate
Republican gatherings with home-made signs.

You really should watch the news, not the partisan blogs.

Joe may have no prospects for owning a business - but he can dream.

As for knowing about Obama's tax plan, I admit that's problematic. Obama
asserts that 95% of Americans will have their taxes reduced, but somewhere
between 30 and 40% of American families don't pay any taxes anyway (it's
Democrat math). Also implicit in Obama's 95% claim is that SOME will have
their taxes increased.

Some accountants suggest non-payment of property taxes. Depending on
circumstances - such as the penalty percent for late payment - it may be the
equivalent of borrowing money at 3%!


He's just a DAFFI DUMB **** in work boots -- a clueless fake and lying
fraud.

REPUBLICAN FAKE ...


Joe is not a devout Republican. He originally registered as an independent
(although he did affiliate with the Republican Party this year by voting in
the GOP primary).

But Joe is not the issue: Obama is. No one should care whether Joe gets his
information from the New York Times or emanations from alien space-craft.

The only thing that registers for this election is Obama's statement: "I
want to spread the wealth around."

On Oct 17, 12:12*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
jisseigh wrote:
Just a big hoax, folks.

Why do you think McFart brought up his "name" 23 times during the
faux- debate the other night?

Because Joe is emblematic of Obama's "share the wealth" position. Liberals
tend to believe the amount of wealth is fixed and fairness demands that it
be redistributed. Conservatives tend to believe that wealth can be created
and the more opportunities for wealth creation, the better-off everyone
becomes. That's why conservatives don't care how much money CEOs make -
conservatives believe they can create their own wealth. Conversely, liberals
believe that whatever millions a CEO makes is that much less that can go to
the folks.

Actually, Adam Smith solved this dichotomy in the late 18th century with his
monumental work: "The Wealth of Nations." It's a pity many haven't kept up.



As details emerge, you'll find this guy, who not only doesn't want to
pay high taxes, but doesn't even pay taxes at all, is not even a
licensed plumber -- he's thus an outlaw -- and the so-called company
he "works for" is not licensed to do plumbing in Ohio.

Uh, so what?



Topping it off, Joe the Liar is not even registered to vote and has
"no comment" about how he just managed to "meet" Obama during the
rally that attracted a huge crowd. *Just in time to be written into
McTurd's debate notes.

Fact is, Joe the Bum was dredged up by Republican tricksters to
"confront" Obama at a campaign stop, to complain about Barack's plans
for taxation. *Turns out Joe the Hoax has no prospects for owning a
business, much less a knowledge of the implications of Obama's tax
plans. *Or the honesty and decency to know he should pay taxes owed.

Heh! There was no "rally" and no "huge crowd." Joe was playing catch
football with his son, in his own front yard, when Obama walked up to him..
Not a plant at all, certainly not like the protesters that infiltrate
Republican gatherings with home-made signs.

You really should watch the news, not the partisan blogs.

Joe may have no prospects for owning a business - but he can dream.

As for knowing about Obama's tax plan, I admit that's problematic. Obama
asserts that 95% of Americans will have their taxes reduced, but somewhere
between 30 and 40% of American families don't pay any taxes anyway (it's
Democrat math). Also implicit in Obama's 95% claim is that SOME will have
their taxes increased.

Some accountants suggest non-payment of property taxes. Depending on
circumstances - such as the penalty percent for late payment - it may be the
equivalent of borrowing money at 3%!



He's just a DAFFI DUMB **** in work boots -- a clueless fake and lying
fraud.

REPUBLICAN FAKE *...

Joe is not a devout Republican. He originally registered as an independent
(although he did affiliate with the Republican Party this year by voting in
the GOP primary).

But Joe is not the issue: Obama is. No one should care whether Joe gets his
information from the New York Times or emanations from alien space-craft.

The only thing that registers for this election is Obama's statement: "I
want to spread the wealth around."



Nothing that Joe said that makes him a fraud. He didn't say he was
licensed. He didn't say he made $250K. He didn't say he didn't owe
the state $1000 in tax money. He only said that he had interest in
buying the plumbing business from the current owner in the future and
that then Obama's tax increase's could apply to him. When questioned
by the media, he freely admitted his current income is nowhere near
$250K.

Again, it's quite interesting that in 24 hours we know so much about
Joe, while guys like William Ayers, an acknowledged terrorist with a
friendly relationship with Obama goes uncovered. Where aren't the
news crews on Ayer's front lawn?

Or, if you want to talk about fraud and deceit, how come no one is
talking about Obama flat out denying in the debate that his campaign
has given $800K to ACORN? When questioned about it, he laughed and
said it wasn't true. Of course that was a lie, yet the media aren't
talking about that either. Had McCain told a similar lie, you can
bet it would be the lead news story.

Keep drinking the kool-aid. It's good for you.

"jisseigh" wrote in message
...
Just a big hoax, folks.

Why do you think McFart brought up his "name" 23 times during the faux-
debate the other night?

As details emerge, you'll find this guy, who not only doesn't want to
pay high taxes, but doesn't even pay taxes at all, is not even a
licensed plumber -- he's thus an outlaw -- and the so-called company
he "works for" is not licensed to do plumbing in Ohio.

I like the other plumber who was on Hannity or Levin a few days ago. He
said he owned a company that did two million a year right now. If Obama
gets in, all the guys will go on unemployment, work for cash, supplies will
be bought for cash, and no taxes will have to be paid. There's room for
lots of unlicensed people in this world. Look at it now. And the dumb
"rich people" will find all sorts of ways to keep their money, even though
the "rich people" are actually the middle class this plot is intended to
extort.

Oh, sorry. I forgot you are not into reality.

STeve

"Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message
. ..
Does not matter who Joe is. Important thing was Obama revealing his
Socialism tendency.

It doesn't matter to rabid Obama fans, Frank. They want to sit back when
Obama gets in and wail, "WHERE'S MAH CHECK?"

Steve

Frank wrote:
Does not matter who Joe is. Important thing was Obama revealing his
Socialism tendency.

Yup. He said a mouthful...didn't he?

--
js

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the
support of Paul. ----George Bernard Shaw

how bout Obammy the fraud. guy never saw a tax break he liked and now all
of a sudden he is a all for them. He went from anti war to GWBII.

"jisseigh" wrote in message
...
Just a big hoax, folks.

"Frank" wrote:
Does not matter who Joe is. Important thing was Obama revealing his
Socialism tendency.

I'm changing my vote back to Obama. I like his "Spread the Wealth Around"
slogan where I will be able to go on welfare and sue the rich *******s with
his training of the law firm of ACORN.

No more work and I'll get rich suing rich *******s too!

"Obama in 2008!"

B~

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:33:13 -0800, "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas
wrote Re JOE THE PLUMBER? Try "Joe the Fraud" -- Or "Joe the
Tax-Dodger" -- Or "Joe the Republican Plant":


"Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message
...
Does not matter who Joe is. Important thing was Obama revealing his
Socialism tendency.

It doesn't matter to rabid Obama fans, Frank. They want to sit back when
Obama gets in and wail, "WHERE'S MAH CHECK?"

Steve


They'll find it with the "40 acres and the mule".

"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in news:3ajns5-
:


"mike" wrote in message
...
Joe the Plumber is not a plant. Obama went to Joe's neighborhood, not
vice versa. Nor did Joe take control of Obama's brain and make him
utter a Marxist mantra.

There is talk now that Joe was a Karl Rove plant set up over a year ago.

really.

Steve




ANOTHER Vast Right Wing Conspiracy???
the DemocRATs are REALLY deluded.

I notice that the DemocRATs screamed about voting problems back in 2000,but
are now willing to overlook massive voter fraud from illegal voter
registrations.
So much for their cries for "ethics"....(but we could see that fallacy with
Pelosi and her crap).

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"mike" wrote in message
...
Joe the Plumber is not a plant. Obama went to Joe's neighborhood, not
vice versa. Nor did Joe take control of Obama's brain and make him
utter a Marxist mantra.

There is talk now that Joe was a Karl Rove plant set up over a year ago.

really.

Steve

On Oct 17, 8:31*am, jisseigh wrote:

As details emerge, you'll find this guy, who not only doesn't want to
pay high taxes, but doesn't even pay taxes at all, is not even a
licensed plumber


Wondering if you have any reason to think licensed or not he's not
paying taxes?

Oh wait, I just saw the part where they claim he owes back taxes,
though that doesn't necessarily mean it's true or that he "doesn't pay
taxes".

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT), mike
wrote:

Joe the Plumber is not a plant. Obama went to Joe's neighborhood, not
vice versa. Nor did Joe take control of Obama's brain and make him
utter a Marxist mantra.

Joe, and the people who prepped and sent him, know exactly where
Obamas campaign will be. It's wide reported. Campaigns announce where
they will be because that's the whole point of campaigning. And your
"marxist mantra" comment is just plain goofy. At least its easy to see
that you have some experience with being brainwashed.

Joe is closely related to Charles Keating. That's a pretty hot smoking
gun.

In article ,
wrote:


Joe, and the people who prepped and sent him, know exactly where
Obamas campaign will be. It's wide reported. Campaigns announce where
they will be because that's the whole point of campaigning. And your
"marxist mantra" comment is just plain goofy. At least its easy to see
that you have some experience with being brainwashed.
Guffaw.


Joe is closely related to Charles Keating. That's a pretty hot smoking
gun.

Guffaw squared. The Senate Ethics Committee said that 3 of the 5 had
indeed "substantially and improperly interfered" with the investigation.
Your "hot smoking gun" according to the Committee was "poor judgement".
Oh the humanity!!!
Sorta like Obama campaign's own discussion of his buddies the
radicules. And at least as relevant to the campaign.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:31:25 -0700 (PDT), jisseigh
wrote:

Just a big hoax, folks.

Why do you think McFart brought up his "name" 23 times during the faux-
debate the other night?

Kersnip babblefest.

Whatever you may wish to say about Joe the Plumber, remember that
Obama showed up on his street. Unless the RNC knew where Obama was
going to stump and on what particular date and time and purchased Joe
a house beforehand and had him primed to be a plant, then no, he isn't
a plant.

He may be a fraud and tax dodger, but Obama came up to him and put
himself up to be asked a question.

So Obama solicited Joe the Plumber.

Obama's mistake was to assume that everyone would be enamored of him
and ask him "appropriate" questions.

Not Joe's. Joe took an opportunity to ask an uncomfortable question.
Please be a little more thoughtful and accurate.

Kim

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:34:11 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT), mike
wrote:

Joe the Plumber is not a plant. Obama went to Joe's neighborhood, not
vice versa. Nor did Joe take control of Obama's brain and make him
utter a Marxist mantra.

Joe, and the people who prepped and sent him, know exactly where
Obamas campaign will be. It's wide reported. Campaigns announce where
they will be because that's the whole point of campaigning. And your
"marxist mantra" comment is just plain goofy. At least its easy to see
that you have some experience with being brainwashed.

Joe is closely related to Charles Keating. That's a pretty hot smoking
gun.

If you really believe that, then why didn't the DNC be more aware of
who is in the neighborhood and have Obama's handlers keep him away
from a fraudulent, tax dodging friend of the Republicans?

Kim

"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
...
"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in news:3ajns5-
:


"mike" wrote in message
...
Joe the Plumber is not a plant. Obama went to Joe's neighborhood, not
vice versa. Nor did Joe take control of Obama's brain and make him
utter a Marxist mantra.

There is talk now that Joe was a Karl Rove plant set up over a year ago.

really.

Steve




ANOTHER Vast Right Wing Conspiracy???
the DemocRATs are REALLY deluded.

I notice that the DemocRATs screamed about voting problems back in 2000,but
are now willing to overlook massive voter fraud from illegal voter
registrations.
So much for their cries for "ethics"....(but we could see that fallacy with
Pelosi and her crap).


Wow! The Right wing wackos have sure taken the hook here. What a bunch of
ignorant dupes.

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT), mike
wrote:

Joe the Plumber is not a plant. Obama went to Joe's neighborhood, not
vice versa. Nor did Joe take control of Obama's brain and make him
utter a Marxist mantra.

Joe, and the people who prepped and sent him, know exactly where
Obamas campaign will be. It's wide reported. Campaigns announce where
they will be because that's the whole point of campaigning. And your
"marxist mantra" comment is just plain goofy. At least its easy to see
that you have some experience with being brainwashed.

Joe is closely related to Charles Keating. That's a pretty hot smoking
gun.


The keating connection has been debunked.

"James" wrote in message
...
On Oct 17, 8:31 am, jisseigh wrote:

As details emerge, you'll find this guy, who not only doesn't want to
pay high taxes, but doesn't even pay taxes at all, is not even a
licensed plumber


Wondering if you have any reason to think licensed or not he's not
paying taxes?

************************************************** ***8

The back taxes he owes are public record.

"kim" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:31:25 -0700 (PDT), jisseigh
wrote:

Just a big hoax, folks.

Why do you think McFart brought up his "name" 23 times during the faux-
debate the other night?

Kersnip babblefest.

Whatever you may wish to say about Joe the Plumber, remember that
Obama showed up on his street. Unless the RNC knew where Obama was
going to stump and on what particular date and time and purchased Joe
a house beforehand and had him primed to be a plant, then no, he isn't
a plant.

He may be a fraud and tax dodger, but Obama came up to him and put
himself up to be asked a question.

So Obama solicited Joe the Plumber.

Obama's mistake was to assume that everyone would be enamored of him
and ask him "appropriate" questions.

Not Joe's. Joe took an opportunity to ask an uncomfortable question.
Please be a little more thoughtful and accurate.


And McCain brought him up 21 times in the debate, making him an issue. Smart
move John.
Joe's lies are now fair game.

kim wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:31:25 -0700 (PDT), jisseigh
wrote:


Just a big hoax, folks.

Why do you think McFart brought up his "name" 23 times during the faux-
debate the other night?


Kersnip babblefest.

Whatever you may wish to say about Joe the Plumber, remember that
Obama showed up on his street. Unless the RNC knew where Obama was
going to stump and on what particular date and time and purchased Joe
a house beforehand and had him primed to be a plant, then no, he isn't
a plant.

Can there be any doubt that the RNC knew where Obama would be? Those
are well-publicized events.

He may be a fraud and tax dodger, but Obama came up to him and put
himself up to be asked a question.

So Obama solicited Joe the Plumber.

Obama's mistake was to assume that everyone would be enamored of him
and ask him "appropriate" questions.

Not Joe's. Joe took an opportunity to ask an uncomfortable question.
Please be a little more thoughtful and accurate.

Back atcha ...


Kim


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kim wrote:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:34:11 -0400, wrote:


On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT), mike
wrote:


Joe the Plumber is not a plant. Obama went to Joe's neighborhood, not
vice versa. Nor did Joe take control of Obama's brain and make him
utter a Marxist mantra.

Joe, and the people who prepped and sent him, know exactly where
Obamas campaign will be. It's wide reported. Campaigns announce where
they will be because that's the whole point of campaigning. And your
"marxist mantra" comment is just plain goofy. At least its easy to see
that you have some experience with being brainwashed.

Joe is closely related to Charles Keating. That's a pretty hot smoking
gun.


If you really believe that, then why didn't the DNC be more aware of
who is in the neighborhood and have Obama's handlers keep him away
from a fraudulent, tax dodging friend of the Republicans?

Kim

Did the RNC announce in advance that they'd be doing that? Surely you
don't think the DNC screens the people who attend their events (even
though that's something Bush did -- don't project RNC tactics onto the
DNC)?

--
The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to
minimize spam. Our true address is of the form .

In article , CJT
wrote:

kim wrote:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:34:11 -0400, wrote:


On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT), mike
wrote:


Joe the Plumber is not a plant. Obama went to Joe's neighborhood, not
vice versa. Nor did Joe take control of Obama's brain and make him
utter a Marxist mantra.

Joe, and the people who prepped and sent him, know exactly where
Obamas campaign will be. It's wide reported. Campaigns announce where
they will be because that's the whole point of campaigning. And your
"marxist mantra" comment is just plain goofy. At least its easy to see
that you have some experience with being brainwashed.

Joe is closely related to Charles Keating. That's a pretty hot smoking
gun.


If you really believe that, then why didn't the DNC be more aware of
who is in the neighborhood and have Obama's handlers keep him away
from a fraudulent, tax dodging friend of the Republicans?

Kim

Did the RNC announce in advance that they'd be doing that? Surely you
don't think the DNC screens the people who attend their events (even
though that's something Bush did -- don't project RNC tactics onto the
DNC)?

You really think the RNC Knew serveral years ahead of time
that Obama was going to go through that neighborhood and move JtP in
there for a gotcha moment? Gee you gotta admire their work thinking that
far ahead.

Kurt Ullman wrote:

In article , CJT
wrote:


kim wrote:


On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:34:11 -0400, wrote:



On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT), mike
wrote:



Joe the Plumber is not a plant. Obama went to Joe's neighborhood, not
vice versa. Nor did Joe take control of Obama's brain and make him
utter a Marxist mantra.

Joe, and the people who prepped and sent him, know exactly where
Obamas campaign will be. It's wide reported. Campaigns announce where
they will be because that's the whole point of campaigning. And your
"marxist mantra" comment is just plain goofy. At least its easy to see
that you have some experience with being brainwashed.

Joe is closely related to Charles Keating. That's a pretty hot smoking
gun.


If you really believe that, then why didn't the DNC be more aware of
who is in the neighborhood and have Obama's handlers keep him away
from a fraudulent, tax dodging friend of the Republicans?

Kim

Did the RNC announce in advance that they'd be doing that? Surely you
don't think the DNC screens the people who attend their events (even
though that's something Bush did -- don't project RNC tactics onto the
DNC)?


You really think the RNC Knew serveral years ahead of time
that Obama was going to go through that neighborhood and move JtP in
there for a gotcha moment? Gee you gotta admire their work thinking that
far ahead.

You miss the point. Given a few days notice they could choose their
time and place, and find somebody with at least minimal plausibility
to prep and push forward in the crowd. That they couldn't find a
real, licensed plumber shows just how inept their campaign is.

--
The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to
minimize spam. Our true address is of the form .

In article , CJT
wrote:


You miss the point. Given a few days notice they could choose their
time and place, and find somebody with at least minimal plausibility
to prep and push forward in the crowd. That they couldn't find a
real, licensed plumber shows just how inept their campaign is.

You miss the point. There is no evidence other than your statement
that any of this happened. Even if everything above is true, and they
showed uncommon deviance not only in knowing where Sen Obama was going
to go, and somehow made JtP such an interesting person that the Senator
felt compeled a to walk up to him and start the conversation, the
Senator still said what he said and there is no going back. Trying to
obfuscate all this with this wild and vastly improbable scenario is over
the top.

In article , CJT
wrote:

Did the RNC announce in advance that they'd be doing that? Surely you
don't think the DNC screens the people who attend their events

Actually they do. Every campaign does these says.

If you don't think campaign events (no matter what party) are highly
managed, I have a bridge to sell you.

In ,
Bob F spewed forth:
"James" wrote in message
...
On Oct 17, 8:31 am, jisseigh wrote:

As details emerge, you'll find this guy, who not only doesn't want to
pay high taxes, but doesn't even pay taxes at all, is not even a
licensed plumber


Wondering if you have any reason to think licensed or not he's not
paying taxes?

************************************************** ***8

The back taxes he owes are public record.

Key word there is back taxes, evidently he's current on present taxes

In ,
CJT spewed forth:
Kurt Ullman wrote:

In article , CJT
wrote:


kim wrote:


On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:34:11 -0400, wrote:



On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT), mike
wrote:



Joe the Plumber is not a plant. Obama went to Joe's
neighborhood, not vice versa. Nor did Joe take control of
Obama's brain and make him utter a Marxist mantra.

Joe, and the people who prepped and sent him, know exactly where
Obamas campaign will be. It's wide reported. Campaigns announce
where they will be because that's the whole point of campaigning.
And your "marxist mantra" comment is just plain goofy. At least
its easy to see that you have some experience with being
brainwashed. Joe is closely related to Charles Keating. That's a
pretty hot
smoking gun.


If you really believe that, then why didn't the DNC be more aware
of who is in the neighborhood and have Obama's handlers keep him
away from a fraudulent, tax dodging friend of the Republicans?

Kim

Did the RNC announce in advance that they'd be doing that? Surely
you don't think the DNC screens the people who attend their events
(even though that's something Bush did -- don't project RNC tactics
onto the DNC)?


You really think the RNC Knew serveral years ahead of time
that Obama was going to go through that neighborhood and move JtP in
there for a gotcha moment? Gee you gotta admire their work thinking
that far ahead.

You miss the point. Given a few days notice they could choose their
time and place, and find somebody with at least minimal plausibility
to prep and push forward in the crowd. That they couldn't find a
real, licensed plumber shows just how inept their campaign is.

Been drinkin' the Kool-aid again, huh.
Where's your outrage about what acorn is doing and the $800,000 nobama gave
them for "lighting"

In ,
Bob F spewed forth:
"kim" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:31:25 -0700 (PDT), jisseigh
wrote:

Just a big hoax, folks.

Why do you think McFart brought up his "name" 23 times during the
faux- debate the other night?

Kersnip babblefest.

Whatever you may wish to say about Joe the Plumber, remember that
Obama showed up on his street. Unless the RNC knew where Obama was
going to stump and on what particular date and time and purchased Joe
a house beforehand and had him primed to be a plant, then no, he
isn't a plant.

He may be a fraud and tax dodger, but Obama came up to him and put
himself up to be asked a question.

So Obama solicited Joe the Plumber.

Obama's mistake was to assume that everyone would be enamored of him
and ask him "appropriate" questions.

Not Joe's. Joe took an opportunity to ask an uncomfortable question.
Please be a little more thoughtful and accurate.


And McCain brought him up 21 times in the debate, making him an
issue. Smart move John.
Joe's lies are now fair game.

The only thing you're forgeting is Joe is NOT running for office, nobama is.
Are his lies fair game or will you be called a racist if you question them?

In article ,
Thanatos wrote:

If you don't think campaign events (no matter what party) are highly
managed, I have a bridge to sell you.

Always have. That is why advance men get the big bucks.

On Oct 19, 2:40*pm, "ChairMan" wrote:

Been drinkin' the Kool-aid again, huh.
Where's your outrage about what acorn is doing and the $800,000 nobama gave
them for "lighting"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Really? Obama gave ACORN $800,000 for lighting?

Got a non-blogger cite on that one?

Thought not.

Here's factcheck.org, from the right-wing Annenberg Foundation.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...cusations.html
The Obama campaign also paid Citizens Services Inc., a group
affiliated with ACORN, more than $800,000 for get-out-the-vote (not
voter registration) efforts during the primary election. The nature of
CSI's services was initially misrepresented on the Obama campaign's
disclosures to the Federal Election Commission, which the campaign
describes as an oversight. The Obama campaign says it has not been
involved with ACORN during the general election.

Fair enough.

Read the rest. I know you can.

clipped



You miss the point. Given a few days notice they could choose their
time and place, and find somebody with at least minimal plausibility
to prep and push forward in the crowd. That they couldn't find a
real, licensed plumber shows just how inept their campaign is.

Good grief - one is supposed to believe the campaigns check professional
licenses for those they chat with? Much more likely that the conversation
was set up by a producer doing news coverage. Geez, McCain wants to
believe Obama was connected at the hip with Ayers - Obama and Ayers
attended a total, I believe, of five or six board meetings together and
could
have done so without ever having had a personal conversation. Board
meetings and even campaign events are for handlers to arrange - throw a
party, get contributions, gain ego and/or points.

As for Joe/Sam the plumber, someone is already talking about him running
for Congress, according to today's Toledo paper )

Florida has a new program called "Silver Alert", for adults who go missing
and to work the same as Amber Alert does for children. There have been
numerous rather tragic deaths of elderly folks who get lost, and Cong.
Bilirakis - just in time - got about a million dollars to fund it.
Earmarks
aren't all bad - Obama got a few mil. to help control some nasty Asian
catfish and keep them out of the Great Lakes. McSame is gonna' give
names, etc.

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:54:17 -0500, CJT wrote:

Kurt Ullman wrote:

In article , CJT
wrote:


kim wrote:


On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:34:11 -0400, wrote:



On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT), mike
wrote:



Joe the Plumber is not a plant. Obama went to Joe's neighborhood, not
vice versa. Nor did Joe take control of Obama's brain and make him
utter a Marxist mantra.

Joe, and the people who prepped and sent him, know exactly where
Obamas campaign will be. It's wide reported. Campaigns announce where
they will be because that's the whole point of campaigning. And your
"marxist mantra" comment is just plain goofy. At least its easy to see
that you have some experience with being brainwashed.

Joe is closely related to Charles Keating. That's a pretty hot smoking
gun.


If you really believe that, then why didn't the DNC be more aware of
who is in the neighborhood and have Obama's handlers keep him away
from a fraudulent, tax dodging friend of the Republicans?

Kim

Did the RNC announce in advance that they'd be doing that? Surely you
don't think the DNC screens the people who attend their events (even
though that's something Bush did -- don't project RNC tactics onto the
DNC)?


You really think the RNC Knew serveral years ahead of time
that Obama was going to go through that neighborhood and move JtP in
there for a gotcha moment? Gee you gotta admire their work thinking that
far ahead.

You miss the point. Given a few days notice they could choose their
time and place, and find somebody with at least minimal plausibility
to prep and push forward in the crowd. That they couldn't find a
real, licensed plumber shows just how inept their campaign is.

You really are a dull knife, aren't you? Obama went to HIS street.
There was no push forward by anyone. Obama came to him.

Sheesh.

Kim