Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

On 6/18/2020 2:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

That's great , but what you really need to calculate is the miles per
DOLLAR . If there is like here , that pure gas is higher priced than the
gasohol .
--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crotchety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !

On 2020-06-18 13:00, Snag wrote:
On 6/18/2020 2:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Â* That's great , but what you really need to calculate is the miles per
DOLLAR . If there is like here , that pure gas is higher priced than the
gasohol .

It is 40 cents more per gallon. I have an equation for
miles per dollar, but the gas prices keep jumping
all around, so it is pretty hard to make a good
comparison.

Also it is pretty hard to calculate the cost of the
reduced wear and tear on my engine.

Price/Gal Price/Mile
$2.68 $0.1181
$2.42 $0.1027


$2.56 $0.1015 Pure
$2.64 $0.1055 Pure

T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?

On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”)

On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 22:19:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?

I can live with the hit using E-10 but when we tried a tank of E-85 in
North Dakota I said never again. I had a rental with the instant MPG
display on the dash and it was dramatic when that E-85 worked it's way
through the fuel system an hit the injectors. It wasn't much cheaper
either, I might have been about the same. A little ethanol increases
oxygenation and octane (Eliminating lead and MTBE) but when you get
much over 10%, you are really taking a hit.
E-0 (REC90) is a whole other thing. They need a more expensive blend
of petroleum to get there.

On 6/18/2020 7:03 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 22:19:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?

I can live with the hit using E-10 but when we tried a tank of E-85 in
North Dakota I said never again. I had a rental with the instant MPG
display on the dash and it was dramatic when that E-85 worked it's way
through the fuel system an hit the injectors. It wasn't much cheaper
either, I might have been about the same. A little ethanol increases
oxygenation and octane (Eliminating lead and MTBE) but when you get
much over 10%, you are really taking a hit.
E-0 (REC90) is a whole other thing. They need a more expensive blend
of petroleum to get there.


I think E85 requires a special engine to handle it and T said it was 15%
that he used.

I understand that you cannot pipeline gas with ethanol as the ethanol
making the mix more polar tends to clean the pipes and gum up the gas.
I recall when they switched to the blend in nearby PA they had to dig up
the tanks at gas stations to put new ones in. I understand they tank
the ethanol to the refineries to mix there and truck out.

All these different blends and regional specification just raise the
price of gas.

On 2020-06-18 15:19, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


This was the first I could find any in a very long time.

On 2020-06-18 15:19, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”)

I also use Diydrogen Monoxide to wash my car. Removes
bug guts from my windshield really nicely.

:-)

On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”)

I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I add
in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well but I'm
not giving up the secret recipe.

On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”)

I use a custom blend of gasses.Â* Start with 78% nitrogen but then I add
in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses.Â* Works well but I'm
not giving up the secret recipe.

No helium to suck on? Your voice sound that
way normally?

On 2020-06-18 17:29, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 15:19, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”)

I also use Diydrogen Monoxide to wash my car.Â* Removes
bug guts from my windshield really nicely.

:-)


I have compared Hyrdogen Hydroxide to. Seems to
work pretty much the same.

On 2020-06-18 17:27, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 15:19, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce
mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


This was the first I could find any in a very long time.

I remember when the last gas station converted over to
E85. I was complaining to the owner when the provider
rep walked over and told me their experience was that
mileage always increased a bit (liar). I told him
about my spreadsheet and how it had decreased by 2.5
miles per gallon. He was dumb founded. What was he
going to say, alcohol has a higher energy density?

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:13:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (?_?)

I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I add
in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well but I'm
not giving up the secret recipe.
That custom A.I.R. does work a treet though, doesn't it. Is it that
0.93% argon that does the trick?? (your recipe has been "leaked" -
better get some better repair patches or re-seal the beads)

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:12:50 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 13:00, Snag wrote:
On 6/18/2020 2:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Â* That's great , but what you really need to calculate is the miles per
DOLLAR . If there is like here , that pure gas is higher priced than the
gasohol .

It is 40 cents more per gallon. I have an equation for
miles per dollar, but the gas prices keep jumping
all around, so it is pretty hard to make a good
comparison.

Also it is pretty hard to calculate the cost of the
reduced wear and tear on my engine.

That's because it's non-existent in today's vehicles. I've been using
it for decades, no maintenance issues. Small engines, that's a different
story.






Price/Gal Price/Mile
$2.68 $0.1181
$2.42 $0.1027


$2.56 $0.1015 Pure
$2.64 $0.1055 Pure

Where is the calc that matters, with the .40 cent price difference?
Quick math in my head, the E85 gas is less expensive,
you get about ten percent less mileage, but the cost per gallon is
about 15 percent to 20 percent less.

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.

On 06/18/2020 07:23 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage.
(—”_—”)

I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I
add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well
but I'm not giving up the secret recipe.

No helium to suck on? Your voice sound that
way normally?


Can't waste helium in tires; they aren't making it any more.
Unfortunately that isn't a joke.

On 6/19/2020 9:24 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



Educate yourself by looking at it into the whole process.

On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 9:55:13 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/19/2020 9:24 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



Educate yourself by looking at it into the whole process.

I take that to mean that like usual, you have no cites. Thanks for playing.
Are you going to Tulsa?

On 6/19/2020 11:22 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 9:55:13 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/19/2020 9:24 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



Educate yourself by looking at it into the whole process.

I take that to mean that like usual, you have no cites. Thanks for playing.
Are you going to Tulsa?


I could easily find cites and I know you do not like to think for
yourself. But, you called me into question and it is up to you to prove
me wrong.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:46:45 -0400, Frank wrote:

On 6/19/2020 11:22 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 9:55:13 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/19/2020 9:24 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



Educate yourself by looking at it into the whole process.

I take that to mean that like usual, you have no cites. Thanks for playing.
Are you going to Tulsa?


I could easily find cites and I know you do not like to think for
yourself. But, you called me into question and it is up to you to prove
me wrong.

That's not how it works. You made a claim and were asked to support it. Now
the best you can do is walk away and say 'prove me wrong'? I think you
proved yourself wrong.

On 6/19/2020 9:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 06/18/2020 07:23 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage.
(—”_—”)

I use a custom blend of gasses.Â* Start with 78% nitrogen but then I
add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses.Â* Works well
but I'm not giving up the secret recipe.

No helium to suck on?Â* Your voice sound that
way normally?


Can't waste helium in tires; they aren't making it any more.
Unfortunately that isn't a joke.

It was causing the tires to spin with a high pitch.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:21:27 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:12:50 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 13:00, Snag wrote:
On 6/18/2020 2:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Â* That's great , but what you really need to calculate is the miles per
DOLLAR . If there is like here , that pure gas is higher priced than the
gasohol .

It is 40 cents more per gallon. I have an equation for
miles per dollar, but the gas prices keep jumping
all around, so it is pretty hard to make a good
comparison.

Also it is pretty hard to calculate the cost of the
reduced wear and tear on my engine.

That's because it's non-existent in today's vehicles. I've been using
it for decades, no maintenance issues. Small engines, that's a different
story.

I use E-10 for everything and I don't have any trouble but my boat
keeps the gas moving. I just don't put gas powered tools away without
running them dry so they always get fresh gas. I usually mix it on the
spot. A pint of gas gets 10ccs of oil for 50:1. You can usually talk
your pharmacy out of a 10cc syringe for free. It would be less than a
buck if they made you pay.
My weed eater uses 32:1 but the tank is less than a pint so I give it
10ccs of oil. I suppose I could measure how much it really is and do
the math to meter the exact right amount but this is not that
critical.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



The price of both alcohol and crude vary widely but I assume both go
into the price along with more than a little wiggle room to flatten
the curve. I know the $40 XOM I bought during the panicdemic is doing
OK so they must be doing something right. ($47 today, +17.5% in a
month or so)

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 07:51:17 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 06/18/2020 07:23 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage.
(?_?)

I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I
add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well
but I'm not giving up the secret recipe.

No helium to suck on? Your voice sound that
way normally?


Can't waste helium in tires; they aren't making it any more.
Unfortunately that isn't a joke.

The sun is making about a billion tons a day but transportation is a
bitch.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 15:42:15 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 07:51:17 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 06/18/2020 07:23 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage.
(?_?)

I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I
add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well
but I'm not giving up the secret recipe.

No helium to suck on? Your voice sound that
way normally?


Can't waste helium in tires; they aren't making it any more.
Unfortunately that isn't a joke.

The sun is making about a billion tons a day but transportation is a
bitch.

They're working on a pipeline.

On 6/19/2020 1:20 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:46:45 -0400, Frank wrote:

On 6/19/2020 11:22 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 9:55:13 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/19/2020 9:24 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



Educate yourself by looking at it into the whole process.

I take that to mean that like usual, you have no cites. Thanks for playing.
Are you going to Tulsa?


I could easily find cites and I know you do not like to think for
yourself. But, you called me into question and it is up to you to prove
me wrong.

That's not how it works. You made a claim and were asked to support it. Now
the best you can do is walk away and say 'prove me wrong'? I think you
proved yourself wrong.

It works for me.

On 6/19/2020 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



The price of both alcohol and crude vary widely but I assume both go
into the price along with more than a little wiggle room to flatten
the curve. I know the $40 XOM I bought during the panicdemic is doing
OK so they must be doing something right. ($47 today, +17.5% in a
month or so)


I see my BP is way down but I held it for years starting as Amoco.

Here is a little ethanol tidbit for the libs:

https://www.thoughtco.com/understand...ubsidy-3321701

Mentions subsidy along with raising the price of food as an unintended
consequence. I understand maybe a 50 cent a gallon tariff was put on
ethanol from Brazil where it is cheaper.

On 06/19/2020 12:01 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/19/2020 9:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 06/18/2020 07:23 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage.
(—”_—”)

I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I
add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well
but I'm not giving up the secret recipe.

No helium to suck on? Your voice sound that
way normally?


Can't waste helium in tires; they aren't making it any more.
Unfortunately that isn't a joke.

It was causing the tires to spin with a high pitch.

I worked for a biochemistry company in Boston where the founder was a
PhD level chemist. He did love the helium trick at company get
togethers. There were a lot of PhDs floating around there, most of which
were strange. One of the best chemists was welded to his WalkMan (this
was the '80s). No unusual except afaik the only thing he listened to was
Pink Floyd.

On 06/19/2020 01:31 PM, wrote:
You can usually talk
your pharmacy out of a 10cc syringe for free. It would be less than a
buck if they made you pay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rgepWg4rzw

Free association after a hard week... The rumor at the time was 10 cc
was the average volume of ejaculate.

On 06/19/2020 05:50 PM, Frank wrote:
On 6/19/2020 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce
mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



The price of both alcohol and crude vary widely but I assume both go
into the price along with more than a little wiggle room to flatten
the curve. I know the $40 XOM I bought during the panicdemic is doing
OK so they must be doing something right. ($47 today, +17.5% in a
month or so)


I see my BP is way down but I held it for years starting as Amoco.

Here is a little ethanol tidbit for the libs:

https://www.thoughtco.com/understand...ubsidy-3321701

Mentions subsidy along with raising the price of food as an unintended
consequence. I understand maybe a 50 cent a gallon tariff was put on
ethanol from Brazil where it is cheaper.

What does alcohol subsidization have to do with the price of tortillas
in Chihuahua? A hell of a lot.

On 06/19/2020 01:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 07:51:17 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 06/18/2020 07:23 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage.
(?_?)

I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I
add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well
but I'm not giving up the secret recipe.

No helium to suck on? Your voice sound that
way normally?


Can't waste helium in tires; they aren't making it any more.
Unfortunately that isn't a joke.

The sun is making about a billion tons a day but transportation is a
bitch.


The Space Force is recruiting Democrats for the exploratory probe.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 18:01:23 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 15:42:15 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 07:51:17 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 06/18/2020 07:23 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage.
(?_?)

I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I
add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well
but I'm not giving up the secret recipe.

No helium to suck on? Your voice sound that
way normally?


Can't waste helium in tires; they aren't making it any more.
Unfortunately that isn't a joke.

The sun is making about a billion tons a day but transportation is a
bitch.

They're working on a pipeline.

I guess they will start on it right after the wall is done. ;-)
Will we get the venusians to pay for it?

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 19:50:13 -0400, Frank wrote:

On 6/19/2020 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



The price of both alcohol and crude vary widely but I assume both go
into the price along with more than a little wiggle room to flatten
the curve. I know the $40 XOM I bought during the panicdemic is doing
OK so they must be doing something right. ($47 today, +17.5% in a
month or so)


I see my BP is way down but I held it for years starting as Amoco.

Here is a little ethanol tidbit for the libs:

https://www.thoughtco.com/understand...ubsidy-3321701

Mentions subsidy along with raising the price of food as an unintended
consequence. I understand maybe a 50 cent a gallon tariff was put on
ethanol from Brazil where it is cheaper.

Most environmentalists have given up on Ethanol as being their dream
fuel. The ecological costs are too high and Brazil is the poster child
for this. We see a microcosm of this here is South Florida where we
are blaming sugar for all of our water ills. Granted most US ethanol
comes from corn instead of the sugar they use in Brazil but our corn
crop is far from benign too. The latest boogie man is Glyphosate but
there are also concerns about the GMO frankencorn Monsanto has a
strangle hold on.

On 6/18/20 5:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”)

I seem to remember a recommendation to use a special blend that is 78%
nitrogen.

On 6/18/20 7:29 PM, T wrote:

[snip]

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”)

I also use Diydrogen Monoxide to wash my car.Â* Removes
bug guts from my windshield really nicely.

:-)

That reminds me of some TV show where they were talking about
"environmental" groups that were really just political and knew nothing
about the environment. A lot of people would sign a petition to ban
dihydrogen monoxide. Anyone asking what that is were told something like
"It's a chemical used in industrial processes, which gets into lakes and
rivers. People who have contact with it get cancer.".

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The memory of my own suffering has prevented me from ever shadowing one
young soul with the superstitions of the Christian religion." --
Elizabeth Cady Stanton

On 6/18/20 8:23 PM, T wrote:

[snip]

I use a custom blend of gasses.Â* Start with 78% nitrogen but then I
add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses.Â* Works well
but I'm not giving up the secret recipe.

No helium to suck on?Â* Your voice sound that
way normally?

"Because we care about the environment, a certain percent of the paper
this newspaper is printed on is made from recycled content."

"What percent is that?"

"zero"

writes:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



The price of both alcohol and crude vary widely but I assume both go
into the price along with more than a little wiggle room to flatten
the curve. I know the $40 XOM I bought during the panicdemic is doing
OK so they must be doing something right. ($47 today, +17.5% in a
month or so)

Economies of scale. The more thay make of something, the cheaper
it is to sell.

Frank writes:
On 6/19/2020 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



The price of both alcohol and crude vary widely but I assume both go
into the price along with more than a little wiggle room to flatten
the curve. I know the $40 XOM I bought during the panicdemic is doing
OK so they must be doing something right. ($47 today, +17.5% in a
month or so)


I see my BP is way down but I held it for years starting as Amoco.

Here is a little ethanol tidbit for the libs:

Of course, ethanol blends started during the Nixon adminstration,
production subsidies started during the Reagan administraion and
democrats were fully aware of the impacts related to diversion of
corn production; to an extent, this led to the "minnesota model"
of ethanol production designed to keep profits local.

You must be living in a a hole somewhere if the impacts of ethanol
production are new to you. They certainly aren't news to democrats.


https://www.thoughtco.com/understand...ubsidy-3321701

Mentions subsidy along with raising the price of food as an unintended
consequence. I understand maybe a 50 cent a gallon tariff was put on
ethanol from Brazil where it is cheaper.

IIRC, this is related to the long-standing tariffs on Brazilian sugar
which have been in place to protect uneconomic sugar production in the
southeastern United States.