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Pure gas vs E85
Hi All,
I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T |
Pure gas vs E85
On 6/18/2020 2:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All, I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T That's great , but what you really need to calculate is the miles per DOLLAR . If there is like here , that pure gas is higher priced than the gasohol . -- Snag Yes , I'm old and crotchety - and armed . Get outta my woods ! |
Pure gas vs E85
On 2020-06-18 13:00, Snag wrote:
On 6/18/2020 2:55 PM, T wrote: Hi All, I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T Â* That's great , but what you really need to calculate is the miles per DOLLAR . If there is like here , that pure gas is higher priced than the gasohol . It is 40 cents more per gallon. I have an equation for miles per dollar, but the gas prices keep jumping all around, so it is pretty hard to make a good comparison. Also it is pretty hard to calculate the cost of the reduced wear and tear on my engine. Price/Gal Price/Mile $2.68 $0.1181 $2.42 $0.1027 $2.56 $0.1015 Pure $2.64 $0.1055 Pure |
Pure gas vs E85
T writes:
Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply due to less energy content in the fuel. Where have you been? |
Pure gas vs E85
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All, I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”) |
Pure gas vs E85
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply due to less energy content in the fuel. Where have you been? Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline as it is cheaper to make. |
Pure gas vs E85
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Pure gas vs E85
On 2020-06-18 15:19, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply due to less energy content in the fuel. Where have you been? This was the first I could find any in a very long time. |
Pure gas vs E85
On 2020-06-18 15:19, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote: Hi All, I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”) I also use Diydrogen Monoxide to wash my car. Removes bug guts from my windshield really nicely. :-) |
Pure gas vs E85
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote: Hi All, I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”) I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well but I'm not giving up the secret recipe. |
Pure gas vs E85
On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote: On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote: Hi All, I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”) I use a custom blend of gasses.Â* Start with 78% nitrogen but then I add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses.Â* Works well but I'm not giving up the secret recipe. No helium to suck on? Your voice sound that way normally? |
Pure gas vs E85
On 2020-06-18 17:29, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 15:19, Hawk wrote: On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote: Hi All, I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”) I also use Diydrogen Monoxide to wash my car.Â* Removes bug guts from my windshield really nicely. :-) I have compared Hyrdogen Hydroxide to. Seems to work pretty much the same. |
Pure gas vs E85
On 2020-06-18 17:27, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 15:19, Scott Lurndal wrote: T writes: Hi All, I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply due to less energy content in the fuel. Where have you been? This was the first I could find any in a very long time. I remember when the last gas station converted over to E85. I was complaining to the owner when the provider rep walked over and told me their experience was that mileage always increased a bit (liar). I told him about my spreadsheet and how it had decreased by 2.5 miles per gallon. He was dumb founded. What was he going to say, alcohol has a higher energy density? |
Pure gas vs E85
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:13:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote: On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote: Hi All, I watch my mileage.* I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (?_?) I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well but I'm not giving up the secret recipe. That custom A.I.R. does work a treet though, doesn't it. Is it that 0.93% argon that does the trick?? (your recipe has been "leaked" - better get some better repair patches or re-seal the beads) |
Pure gas vs E85
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:12:50 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 13:00, Snag wrote: On 6/18/2020 2:55 PM, T wrote: Hi All, I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T Â* That's great , but what you really need to calculate is the miles per DOLLAR . If there is like here , that pure gas is higher priced than the gasohol . It is 40 cents more per gallon. I have an equation for miles per dollar, but the gas prices keep jumping all around, so it is pretty hard to make a good comparison. Also it is pretty hard to calculate the cost of the reduced wear and tear on my engine. That's because it's non-existent in today's vehicles. I've been using it for decades, no maintenance issues. Small engines, that's a different story. Price/Gal Price/Mile $2.68 $0.1181 $2.42 $0.1027 $2.56 $0.1015 Pure $2.64 $0.1055 Pure Where is the calc that matters, with the .40 cent price difference? Quick math in my head, the E85 gas is less expensive, you get about ten percent less mileage, but the cost per gallon is about 15 percent to 20 percent less. |
Pure gas vs E85
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: T writes: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply due to less energy content in the fuel. Where have you been? Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline as it is cheaper to make. You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it. |
Pure gas vs E85
On 06/18/2020 07:23 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote: On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”) I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well but I'm not giving up the secret recipe. No helium to suck on? Your voice sound that way normally? Can't waste helium in tires; they aren't making it any more. Unfortunately that isn't a joke. |
Pure gas vs E85
On 6/19/2020 9:24 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote: On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: T writes: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply due to less energy content in the fuel. Where have you been? Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline as it is cheaper to make. You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it. Educate yourself by looking at it into the whole process. |
Pure gas vs E85
On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 9:55:13 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/19/2020 9:24 AM, trader_4 wrote: On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote: On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: T writes: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply due to less energy content in the fuel. Where have you been? Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline as it is cheaper to make. You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it. Educate yourself by looking at it into the whole process. I take that to mean that like usual, you have no cites. Thanks for playing. Are you going to Tulsa? |
Pure gas vs E85
On 6/19/2020 11:22 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 9:55:13 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote: On 6/19/2020 9:24 AM, trader_4 wrote: On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote: On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: T writes: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply due to less energy content in the fuel. Where have you been? Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline as it is cheaper to make. You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it. Educate yourself by looking at it into the whole process. I take that to mean that like usual, you have no cites. Thanks for playing. Are you going to Tulsa? I could easily find cites and I know you do not like to think for yourself. But, you called me into question and it is up to you to prove me wrong. |
Pure gas vs E85
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:46:45 -0400, Frank wrote:
On 6/19/2020 11:22 AM, trader_4 wrote: On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 9:55:13 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote: On 6/19/2020 9:24 AM, trader_4 wrote: On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote: On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: T writes: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply due to less energy content in the fuel. Where have you been? Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline as it is cheaper to make. You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it. Educate yourself by looking at it into the whole process. I take that to mean that like usual, you have no cites. Thanks for playing. Are you going to Tulsa? I could easily find cites and I know you do not like to think for yourself. But, you called me into question and it is up to you to prove me wrong. That's not how it works. You made a claim and were asked to support it. Now the best you can do is walk away and say 'prove me wrong'? I think you proved yourself wrong. |
Pure gas vs E85
On 6/19/2020 9:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 06/18/2020 07:23 PM, T wrote: On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote: On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote: Hi All, I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”) I use a custom blend of gasses.Â* Start with 78% nitrogen but then I add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses.Â* Works well but I'm not giving up the secret recipe. No helium to suck on?Â* Your voice sound that way normally? Can't waste helium in tires; they aren't making it any more. Unfortunately that isn't a joke. It was causing the tires to spin with a high pitch. |
Pure gas vs E85
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:21:27 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:12:50 PM UTC-4, T wrote: On 2020-06-18 13:00, Snag wrote: On 6/18/2020 2:55 PM, T wrote: Hi All, I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T Â* That's great , but what you really need to calculate is the miles per DOLLAR . If there is like here , that pure gas is higher priced than the gasohol . It is 40 cents more per gallon. I have an equation for miles per dollar, but the gas prices keep jumping all around, so it is pretty hard to make a good comparison. Also it is pretty hard to calculate the cost of the reduced wear and tear on my engine. That's because it's non-existent in today's vehicles. I've been using it for decades, no maintenance issues. Small engines, that's a different story. I use E-10 for everything and I don't have any trouble but my boat keeps the gas moving. I just don't put gas powered tools away without running them dry so they always get fresh gas. I usually mix it on the spot. A pint of gas gets 10ccs of oil for 50:1. You can usually talk your pharmacy out of a 10cc syringe for free. It would be less than a buck if they made you pay. My weed eater uses 32:1 but the tank is less than a pint so I give it 10ccs of oil. I suppose I could measure how much it really is and do the math to meter the exact right amount but this is not that critical. |
Pure gas vs E85
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote: On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: T writes: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply due to less energy content in the fuel. Where have you been? Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline as it is cheaper to make. You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it. The price of both alcohol and crude vary widely but I assume both go into the price along with more than a little wiggle room to flatten the curve. I know the $40 XOM I bought during the panicdemic is doing OK so they must be doing something right. ($47 today, +17.5% in a month or so) |
Pure gas vs E85
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 07:51:17 -0600, rbowman
wrote: On 06/18/2020 07:23 PM, T wrote: On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote: On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (?_?) I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well but I'm not giving up the secret recipe. No helium to suck on? Your voice sound that way normally? Can't waste helium in tires; they aren't making it any more. Unfortunately that isn't a joke. The sun is making about a billion tons a day but transportation is a bitch. |
Pure gas vs E85
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Pure gas vs E85
On 6/19/2020 1:20 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:46:45 -0400, Frank wrote: On 6/19/2020 11:22 AM, trader_4 wrote: On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 9:55:13 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote: On 6/19/2020 9:24 AM, trader_4 wrote: On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote: On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: T writes: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply due to less energy content in the fuel. Where have you been? Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline as it is cheaper to make. You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it. Educate yourself by looking at it into the whole process. I take that to mean that like usual, you have no cites. Thanks for playing. Are you going to Tulsa? I could easily find cites and I know you do not like to think for yourself. But, you called me into question and it is up to you to prove me wrong. That's not how it works. You made a claim and were asked to support it. Now the best you can do is walk away and say 'prove me wrong'? I think you proved yourself wrong. It works for me. |
Pure gas vs E85
On 6/19/2020 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote: On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: T writes: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply due to less energy content in the fuel. Where have you been? Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline as it is cheaper to make. You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it. The price of both alcohol and crude vary widely but I assume both go into the price along with more than a little wiggle room to flatten the curve. I know the $40 XOM I bought during the panicdemic is doing OK so they must be doing something right. ($47 today, +17.5% in a month or so) I see my BP is way down but I held it for years starting as Amoco. Here is a little ethanol tidbit for the libs: https://www.thoughtco.com/understand...ubsidy-3321701 Mentions subsidy along with raising the price of food as an unintended consequence. I understand maybe a 50 cent a gallon tariff was put on ethanol from Brazil where it is cheaper. |
Pure gas vs E85
On 06/19/2020 12:01 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/19/2020 9:51 AM, rbowman wrote: On 06/18/2020 07:23 PM, T wrote: On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote: On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”) I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well but I'm not giving up the secret recipe. No helium to suck on? Your voice sound that way normally? Can't waste helium in tires; they aren't making it any more. Unfortunately that isn't a joke. It was causing the tires to spin with a high pitch. I worked for a biochemistry company in Boston where the founder was a PhD level chemist. He did love the helium trick at company get togethers. There were a lot of PhDs floating around there, most of which were strange. One of the best chemists was welded to his WalkMan (this was the '80s). No unusual except afaik the only thing he listened to was Pink Floyd. |
Pure gas vs E85
On 06/19/2020 01:31 PM, wrote:
You can usually talk your pharmacy out of a 10cc syringe for free. It would be less than a buck if they made you pay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rgepWg4rzw Free association after a hard week... The rumor at the time was 10 cc was the average volume of ejaculate. |
Pure gas vs E85
On 06/19/2020 05:50 PM, Frank wrote:
On 6/19/2020 3:37 PM, wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote: On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: T writes: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply due to less energy content in the fuel. Where have you been? Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline as it is cheaper to make. You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it. The price of both alcohol and crude vary widely but I assume both go into the price along with more than a little wiggle room to flatten the curve. I know the $40 XOM I bought during the panicdemic is doing OK so they must be doing something right. ($47 today, +17.5% in a month or so) I see my BP is way down but I held it for years starting as Amoco. Here is a little ethanol tidbit for the libs: https://www.thoughtco.com/understand...ubsidy-3321701 Mentions subsidy along with raising the price of food as an unintended consequence. I understand maybe a 50 cent a gallon tariff was put on ethanol from Brazil where it is cheaper. What does alcohol subsidization have to do with the price of tortillas in Chihuahua? A hell of a lot. |
Pure gas vs E85
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Pure gas vs E85
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 18:01:23 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 15:42:15 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 07:51:17 -0600, rbowman wrote: On 06/18/2020 07:23 PM, T wrote: On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote: On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (?_?) I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well but I'm not giving up the secret recipe. No helium to suck on? Your voice sound that way normally? Can't waste helium in tires; they aren't making it any more. Unfortunately that isn't a joke. The sun is making about a billion tons a day but transportation is a bitch. They're working on a pipeline. I guess they will start on it right after the wall is done. ;-) Will we get the venusians to pay for it? |
Pure gas vs E85
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 19:50:13 -0400, Frank wrote:
On 6/19/2020 3:37 PM, wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote: On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: T writes: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply due to less energy content in the fuel. Where have you been? Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline as it is cheaper to make. You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it. The price of both alcohol and crude vary widely but I assume both go into the price along with more than a little wiggle room to flatten the curve. I know the $40 XOM I bought during the panicdemic is doing OK so they must be doing something right. ($47 today, +17.5% in a month or so) I see my BP is way down but I held it for years starting as Amoco. Here is a little ethanol tidbit for the libs: https://www.thoughtco.com/understand...ubsidy-3321701 Mentions subsidy along with raising the price of food as an unintended consequence. I understand maybe a 50 cent a gallon tariff was put on ethanol from Brazil where it is cheaper. Most environmentalists have given up on Ethanol as being their dream fuel. The ecological costs are too high and Brazil is the poster child for this. We see a microcosm of this here is South Florida where we are blaming sugar for all of our water ills. Granted most US ethanol comes from corn instead of the sugar they use in Brazil but our corn crop is far from benign too. The latest boogie man is Glyphosate but there are also concerns about the GMO frankencorn Monsanto has a strangle hold on. |
Pure gas vs E85
On 6/18/20 5:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote: Hi All, I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline Hmmmmmmmmm ..... -T Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”) I seem to remember a recommendation to use a special blend that is 78% nitrogen. |
Pure gas vs E85
On 6/18/20 7:29 PM, T wrote:
[snip] Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”) I also use Diydrogen Monoxide to wash my car.Â* Removes bug guts from my windshield really nicely. :-) That reminds me of some TV show where they were talking about "environmental" groups that were really just political and knew nothing about the environment. A lot of people would sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide. Anyone asking what that is were told something like "It's a chemical used in industrial processes, which gets into lakes and rivers. People who have contact with it get cancer.". -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "The memory of my own suffering has prevented me from ever shadowing one young soul with the superstitions of the Christian religion." -- Elizabeth Cady Stanton |
Pure gas vs E85
On 6/18/20 8:23 PM, T wrote:
[snip] I use a custom blend of gasses.Â* Start with 78% nitrogen but then I add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses.Â* Works well but I'm not giving up the secret recipe. No helium to suck on?Â* Your voice sound that way normally? "Because we care about the environment, a certain percent of the paper this newspaper is printed on is made from recycled content." "What percent is that?" "zero" |
Pure gas vs E85
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Pure gas vs E85
Frank writes:
On 6/19/2020 3:37 PM, wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote: On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: T writes: Hi All, I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now for a bunch on months. My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles per gallon on pure gasoline It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply due to less energy content in the fuel. Where have you been? Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline as it is cheaper to make. You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it. The price of both alcohol and crude vary widely but I assume both go into the price along with more than a little wiggle room to flatten the curve. I know the $40 XOM I bought during the panicdemic is doing OK so they must be doing something right. ($47 today, +17.5% in a month or so) I see my BP is way down but I held it for years starting as Amoco. Here is a little ethanol tidbit for the libs: Of course, ethanol blends started during the Nixon adminstration, production subsidies started during the Reagan administraion and democrats were fully aware of the impacts related to diversion of corn production; to an extent, this led to the "minnesota model" of ethanol production designed to keep profits local. You must be living in a a hole somewhere if the impacts of ethanol production are new to you. They certainly aren't news to democrats. https://www.thoughtco.com/understand...ubsidy-3321701 Mentions subsidy along with raising the price of food as an unintended consequence. I understand maybe a 50 cent a gallon tariff was put on ethanol from Brazil where it is cheaper. IIRC, this is related to the long-standing tariffs on Brazilian sugar which have been in place to protect uneconomic sugar production in the southeastern United States. |
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