Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

On 6/18/2020 2:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

That's great , but what you really need to calculate is the miles per
DOLLAR . If there is like here , that pure gas is higher priced than the
gasohol .
--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crotchety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !

On 2020-06-18 13:00, Snag wrote:
On 6/18/2020 2:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Â* That's great , but what you really need to calculate is the miles per
DOLLAR . If there is like here , that pure gas is higher priced than the
gasohol .

It is 40 cents more per gallon. I have an equation for
miles per dollar, but the gas prices keep jumping
all around, so it is pretty hard to make a good
comparison.

Also it is pretty hard to calculate the cost of the
reduced wear and tear on my engine.

Price/Gal Price/Mile
$2.68 $0.1181
$2.42 $0.1027


$2.56 $0.1015 Pure
$2.64 $0.1055 Pure

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:12:50 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 13:00, Snag wrote:
On 6/18/2020 2:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Â* That's great , but what you really need to calculate is the miles per
DOLLAR . If there is like here , that pure gas is higher priced than the
gasohol .

It is 40 cents more per gallon. I have an equation for
miles per dollar, but the gas prices keep jumping
all around, so it is pretty hard to make a good
comparison.

Also it is pretty hard to calculate the cost of the
reduced wear and tear on my engine.

That's because it's non-existent in today's vehicles. I've been using
it for decades, no maintenance issues. Small engines, that's a different
story.






Price/Gal Price/Mile
$2.68 $0.1181
$2.42 $0.1027


$2.56 $0.1015 Pure
$2.64 $0.1055 Pure

Where is the calc that matters, with the .40 cent price difference?
Quick math in my head, the E85 gas is less expensive,
you get about ten percent less mileage, but the cost per gallon is
about 15 percent to 20 percent less.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:21:27 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 4:12:50 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 13:00, Snag wrote:
On 6/18/2020 2:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Â* That's great , but what you really need to calculate is the miles per
DOLLAR . If there is like here , that pure gas is higher priced than the
gasohol .

It is 40 cents more per gallon. I have an equation for
miles per dollar, but the gas prices keep jumping
all around, so it is pretty hard to make a good
comparison.

Also it is pretty hard to calculate the cost of the
reduced wear and tear on my engine.

That's because it's non-existent in today's vehicles. I've been using
it for decades, no maintenance issues. Small engines, that's a different
story.

I use E-10 for everything and I don't have any trouble but my boat
keeps the gas moving. I just don't put gas powered tools away without
running them dry so they always get fresh gas. I usually mix it on the
spot. A pint of gas gets 10ccs of oil for 50:1. You can usually talk
your pharmacy out of a 10cc syringe for free. It would be less than a
buck if they made you pay.
My weed eater uses 32:1 but the tank is less than a pint so I give it
10ccs of oil. I suppose I could measure how much it really is and do
the math to meter the exact right amount but this is not that
critical.

On 06/19/2020 01:31 PM, wrote:
You can usually talk
your pharmacy out of a 10cc syringe for free. It would be less than a
buck if they made you pay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rgepWg4rzw

Free association after a hard week... The rumor at the time was 10 cc
was the average volume of ejaculate.

On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”)

On 2020-06-18 15:19, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”)

I also use Diydrogen Monoxide to wash my car. Removes
bug guts from my windshield really nicely.

:-)

On 2020-06-18 17:29, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 15:19, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”)

I also use Diydrogen Monoxide to wash my car.Â* Removes
bug guts from my windshield really nicely.

:-)


I have compared Hyrdogen Hydroxide to. Seems to
work pretty much the same.

On 6/18/20 7:29 PM, T wrote:

[snip]

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”)

I also use Diydrogen Monoxide to wash my car.Â* Removes
bug guts from my windshield really nicely.

:-)

That reminds me of some TV show where they were talking about
"environmental" groups that were really just political and knew nothing
about the environment. A lot of people would sign a petition to ban
dihydrogen monoxide. Anyone asking what that is were told something like
"It's a chemical used in industrial processes, which gets into lakes and
rivers. People who have contact with it get cancer.".

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The memory of my own suffering has prevented me from ever shadowing one
young soul with the superstitions of the Christian religion." --
Elizabeth Cady Stanton

On 6/20/2020 12:56 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 6/18/20 7:29 PM, T wrote:

[snip]

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage.
(—”_—”)

I also use Diydrogen Monoxide to wash my car.Â* Removes
bug guts from my windshield really nicely.

:-)

That reminds me of some TV show where they were talking about
"environmental" groups that were really just political and knew nothing
about the environment. A lot of people would sign a petition to ban
dihydrogen monoxide. Anyone asking what that is were told something like
"It's a chemical used in industrial processes, which gets into lakes and
rivers. People who have contact with it get cancer.".

Have you known anyone to ever fall for that trash?

On 6/22/2020 3:35 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 6/20/2020 12:56 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 6/18/20 7:29 PM, T wrote:

[snip]

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”)

I also use Diydrogen Monoxide to wash my car.Â* Removes
bug guts from my windshield really nicely.

:-)

That reminds me of some TV show where they were talking about "environmental" groups that were really just political and knew nothing about the environment. A lot of people would sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide. Anyone asking what that is
were told something like "It's a chemical used in industrial processes, which gets into lakes and rivers. People who have contact with it get cancer.".

Have you known anyone to ever fall for that trash?

Sure, look at all the masktards hiding from a nothingburger virus.

On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 12:35:57 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 6/20/2020 12:56 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 6/18/20 7:29 PM, T wrote:

[snip]

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage.
(?_?)

I also use Diydrogen Monoxide to wash my car.Â* Removes
bug guts from my windshield really nicely.

:-)

That reminds me of some TV show where they were talking about
"environmental" groups that were really just political and knew nothing
about the environment. A lot of people would sign a petition to ban
dihydrogen monoxide. Anyone asking what that is were told something like
"It's a chemical used in industrial processes, which gets into lakes and
rivers. People who have contact with it get cancer.".

Have you known anyone to ever fall for that trash?

The show he is talking about is Penn and Teller "Bull****" (on Amazon
Prime) and yes they did get a bunch of greenie weenies to sigh their
petition on camera. They have lots of fun with environmentalists.
I have been in the ecology world for quite a while now and I find a
lot of "environmentalism" is just a cult religion that does not deal
well with science. They do not have to understand an issue to be
adamant about it.
Recycling is an excellent example. Our waste management company is
trying hard to tell people what not to put in the barrel but hard core
environmentalists think if they throw it in the barrel, it will be
recycled and better than putting it in the landfill. Unfortunately it
usually results in everything in that truck going to the landfill if
the plant decides there is too much trash in there when they tip the
truck.
The reality is most of the stuff we think we are recycling goes to the
dump anyway.

On 6/22/2020 3:35 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 6/20/2020 12:56 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 6/18/20 7:29 PM, T wrote:

[snip]

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage.
(—”_—”)

I also use Diydrogen Monoxide to wash my car.Â* Removes
bug guts from my windshield really nicely.

:-)

That reminds me of some TV show where they were talking about
"environmental" groups that were really just political and knew
nothing about the environment. A lot of people would sign a petition
to ban dihydrogen monoxide. Anyone asking what that is were told
something like "It's a chemical used in industrial processes, which
gets into lakes and rivers. People who have contact with it get cancer.".

Have you known anyone to ever fall for that trash?


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4534017/ns...-fall-ho-hoax/

On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 12:35:57 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 6/20/2020 12:56 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 6/18/20 7:29 PM, T wrote:

[snip]

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage.
(?_?)

I also use Diydrogen Monoxide to wash my car.* Removes
bug guts from my windshield really nicely.

:-)

That reminds me of some TV show where they were talking about
"environmental" groups that were really just political and knew nothing
about the environment. A lot of people would sign a petition to ban
dihydrogen monoxide. Anyone asking what that is were told something like
"It's a chemical used in industrial processes, which gets into lakes and
rivers. People who have contact with it get cancer.".

Have you known anyone to ever fall for that trash?

One of the late night shows did a street segment where they asked people if
they masticate, and if so, how often and when was the last time. Keep in
mind that they can cut and edit the video for maximum comedic effect, but
plenty of people answered as if they'd been asked about masturbate rather
than masticate.

On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”)

I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I add
in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well but I'm
not giving up the secret recipe.

On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”)

I use a custom blend of gasses.Â* Start with 78% nitrogen but then I add
in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses.Â* Works well but I'm
not giving up the secret recipe.

No helium to suck on? Your voice sound that
way normally?

On 06/18/2020 07:23 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage.
(—”_—”)

I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I
add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well
but I'm not giving up the secret recipe.

No helium to suck on? Your voice sound that
way normally?


Can't waste helium in tires; they aren't making it any more.
Unfortunately that isn't a joke.

On 6/19/2020 9:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 06/18/2020 07:23 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage.
(—”_—”)

I use a custom blend of gasses.Â* Start with 78% nitrogen but then I
add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses.Â* Works well
but I'm not giving up the secret recipe.

No helium to suck on?Â* Your voice sound that
way normally?


Can't waste helium in tires; they aren't making it any more.
Unfortunately that isn't a joke.

It was causing the tires to spin with a high pitch.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 07:51:17 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 06/18/2020 07:23 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 18:13, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage.
(?_?)

I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I
add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well
but I'm not giving up the secret recipe.

No helium to suck on? Your voice sound that
way normally?


Can't waste helium in tires; they aren't making it any more.
Unfortunately that isn't a joke.

The sun is making about a billion tons a day but transportation is a
bitch.

On 6/18/20 8:23 PM, T wrote:

[snip]

I use a custom blend of gasses.Â* Start with 78% nitrogen but then I
add in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses.Â* Works well
but I'm not giving up the secret recipe.

No helium to suck on?Â* Your voice sound that
way normally?

"Because we care about the environment, a certain percent of the paper
this newspaper is printed on is made from recycled content."

"What percent is that?"

"zero"

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:13:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (?_?)

I use a custom blend of gasses. Start with 78% nitrogen but then I add
in a bit of oxygen and a tad of some secret gasses. Works well but I'm
not giving up the secret recipe.
That custom A.I.R. does work a treet though, doesn't it. Is it that
0.93% argon that does the trick?? (your recipe has been "leaked" -
better get some better repair patches or re-seal the beads)

On 6/18/20 5:19 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 6/18/2020 3:55 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Don't forget to add nitrogen to your tires to help improve mileage. (—”_—”)

I seem to remember a recommendation to use a special blend that is 78%
nitrogen.

T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?

On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.

On 6/19/2020 9:24 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



Educate yourself by looking at it into the whole process.

On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 9:55:13 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/19/2020 9:24 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



Educate yourself by looking at it into the whole process.

I take that to mean that like usual, you have no cites. Thanks for playing.
Are you going to Tulsa?

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



The price of both alcohol and crude vary widely but I assume both go
into the price along with more than a little wiggle room to flatten
the curve. I know the $40 XOM I bought during the panicdemic is doing
OK so they must be doing something right. ($47 today, +17.5% in a
month or so)

On 6/19/2020 3:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



The price of both alcohol and crude vary widely but I assume both go
into the price along with more than a little wiggle room to flatten
the curve. I know the $40 XOM I bought during the panicdemic is doing
OK so they must be doing something right. ($47 today, +17.5% in a
month or so)


I see my BP is way down but I held it for years starting as Amoco.

Here is a little ethanol tidbit for the libs:

https://www.thoughtco.com/understand...ubsidy-3321701

Mentions subsidy along with raising the price of food as an unintended
consequence. I understand maybe a 50 cent a gallon tariff was put on
ethanol from Brazil where it is cheaper.

writes:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:38:34 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 6/18/2020 6:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


Very true and they are screwing him by charging more for pure gasoline
as it is cheaper to make.

You have cites for that? That it actually costs the refiner more for
alcohol than to refine crude? Also factor in the retailer needs a
separate tank and pump that's low volume to support it.



The price of both alcohol and crude vary widely but I assume both go
into the price along with more than a little wiggle room to flatten
the curve. I know the $40 XOM I bought during the panicdemic is doing
OK so they must be doing something right. ($47 today, +17.5% in a
month or so)

Economies of scale. The more thay make of something, the cheaper
it is to sell.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 22:19:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?

I can live with the hit using E-10 but when we tried a tank of E-85 in
North Dakota I said never again. I had a rental with the instant MPG
display on the dash and it was dramatic when that E-85 worked it's way
through the fuel system an hit the injectors. It wasn't much cheaper
either, I might have been about the same. A little ethanol increases
oxygenation and octane (Eliminating lead and MTBE) but when you get
much over 10%, you are really taking a hit.
E-0 (REC90) is a whole other thing. They need a more expensive blend
of petroleum to get there.

On 6/18/2020 7:03 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 22:19:10 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?

I can live with the hit using E-10 but when we tried a tank of E-85 in
North Dakota I said never again. I had a rental with the instant MPG
display on the dash and it was dramatic when that E-85 worked it's way
through the fuel system an hit the injectors. It wasn't much cheaper
either, I might have been about the same. A little ethanol increases
oxygenation and octane (Eliminating lead and MTBE) but when you get
much over 10%, you are really taking a hit.
E-0 (REC90) is a whole other thing. They need a more expensive blend
of petroleum to get there.


I think E85 requires a special engine to handle it and T said it was 15%
that he used.

I understand that you cannot pipeline gas with ethanol as the ethanol
making the mix more polar tends to clean the pipes and gum up the gas.
I recall when they switched to the blend in nearby PA they had to dig up
the tanks at gas stations to put new ones in. I understand they tank
the ethanol to the refineries to mix there and truck out.

All these different blends and regional specification just raise the
price of gas.

On 2020-06-18 15:19, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


This was the first I could find any in a very long time.

On 2020-06-18 17:27, T wrote:
On 2020-06-18 15:19, Scott Lurndal wrote:
T writes:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

It hasn't been news for two decades that alcohol fuel mixes reduce
mileage simply
due to less energy content in the fuel.

Where have you been?


This was the first I could find any in a very long time.

I remember when the last gas station converted over to
E85. I was complaining to the owner when the provider
rep walked over and told me their experience was that
mileage always increased a bit (liar). I told him
about my spreadsheet and how it had decreased by 2.5
miles per gallon. He was dumb founded. What was he
going to say, alcohol has a higher energy density?

On 19/6/20 5:55 am, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Your header states E85. Do you realise that E85 is *85%* alcohol?

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 2020-06-24 04:32, Xeno wrote:
On 19/6/20 5:55 am, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Your header states E85. Do you realise that E85 is *85%* alcohol?


oops!

It is 15% the bad stuff

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 14:56:05 -0700, T wrote:

On 2020-06-24 04:32, Xeno wrote:
On 19/6/20 5:55 am, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage.Â* I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Your header states E85. Do you realise that E85 is *85%* alcohol?


oops!

It is 15% the bad stuff

You are thinking of E-15, something an over officious government is
trying to mandate for everyone. I guess ADM paid them more than all of
the engine manufacturers who say their engines are not certified to
run on 15% alcohol.

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 14:56:05 -0700, T wrote:

On 2020-06-24 04:32, Xeno wrote:
On 19/6/20 5:55 am, T wrote:
Hi All,

I watch my mileage. I have been running pure gasoline now
for a bunch on months.

My mileage jump up from 23.5 on 15% alcohol to 25.5 miles
per gallon on pure gasoline

Hmmmmmmmmm .....

-T

Your header states E85. Do you realise that E85 is *85%* alcohol?


oops!

It is 15% the bad stuff

You are thinking of E-15, something an over officious government is
trying to mandate for everyone. I guess ADM paid them more than all of
the engine manufacturers who say their engines are not certified to
run on 15% alcohol.

Yet another utterly silly conspiracy theory.

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