On 11/25/2018 4:54 PM, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 13:42:36 -0000, Meanie wrote:

On 11/24/2018 8:03 PM, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 00:42:39 -0000, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 23:56:31 -0000, "Bruce Farquhar"
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 22:47:57 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:

Bruce Farquhar wrote

I'm not talking about big locked ones, just the
silly 3 foot high ones that anyone can open.

Some are that anal.

Probably.

Some keep the dog in.

A few, but 10 times as many gates here as dogs.

They clearly don't stop burglars
as you just hop over it or open it.
*They put the gates there to make mental midgets go to usenet asking
stupid questions.

They really annoy people like postmen, opening and closing 1000 of them
a day.

How is that possible when you stated they can just hop over them?

Hopping over 1000 a day is asking for a sprained ankle when you get it
wrong.

Which is it, opening and closing 1000 of them a day or hopping over 1000
a day?

On 11/26/2018 4:53 AM, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 22:30:09 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

I'm not talking about big locked ones, just the silly 3 foot high
ones
that anyone can open.á They clearly don't stop burglars as you
just hop
over it or open it.

Keep the dog in?

Or the sheep/cattle out when they are being moved along the road.

Yes.

On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 19:43:53 -0000, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:03:04 +1100, FMurtz
wrote:

soup wrote:
On 25/11/2018 03:19, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 01:51:01 +0000, soup
wrote:

On 25/11/2018 01:20, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

because in the UK just about everyone and his dog [and cat] has a
right to wander around a chaps property.

********.


From :-A government website, about as definitive as it gets

https://www.gov.uk/right-of-way-open...-right-to-roam

" Excepted land

On access land some areas remain private (€˜excepted land). You
dont
have the right to access these areas, even if they appear on a
map of
open access land.

Excepted land includes:

houses, buildings and the land theyre on (such as courtyards)
land used to grow crops
building sites and land thats being developed
parks and gardens
golf courses and racecourses
railways and tramways
working quarries "

There is a subtle difference in your definition of access.

To roam is to enter a property without purpose, this is not a right..

To wander is different inasmuch a meter reader who is one of those
that will be allowed access can wander from room to room looking for a
meter.

Note the "'ALLOWED' access". The only people allowed access without the
homeowners permission are (I believe ) crown bailiffs and the police
force (sure there are conditions there) all others need the homeowners
permission.

You wander into someone's house (without their permission) and see how
long it is until the police arrest you .
I suppose it depends on the jurisdiction but I think you would find that
any one is allowed entry up to the front door unless steps are taken to
stop this.
Hense the "garden gate" - it is delineating the point where free
access is restricted..

The UK does not have the property rights than the US does, but there
is still the concept of "private property". A blike can't just pitch a
tent in your front lawn without permission.

But you ARE allowed to open a gate, the postman has to do this to post letters through your front door! Anyone coming to your house has to to ring your doorbell! The only exceptions are LOCKED gates, and then the owner puts a bellpush and a letterbox outside the gate.

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 07:09:26 -0500, Meanie, the especially dumb
troll-feeding senile Yankietard, blathered:



Which is it, opening and closing 1000 of them a day or hopping over 1000
a day?

It's anything you want it to be, AS LONG as you keep sucking him off, senile
idiot! tsk

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 15:15:56 +1100, "87213" wrote:



"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:05:01 +1100, "87213" wrote:



"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these share a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to park, not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2 mile of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road, making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.


But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out front?
No!


Put restrictions in place and enforce.

Not feasible. Visitors wouldn't be able to park.

A couple of citations might
make them think about parking round back

One side restrictions work well everywhere else in the world.

But clearly wouldn't with that street.

Why not??? Explain yourself.

Lots
of places both sides no parking.

So there would be nowhere for the visitors to park.

My visitors can park in my driveway. There is room for 4 vehicles. I
have 2. If I need more parking spaces for anevening I can arrange to
park one or more of my vehicles on a neighbour's driveway, or parkone
at a nearby school or church lot.

I live on a bus route - and next to a school that has numerous school
busses every morning, noon, and afternoon. No parking during school
bus times - either side,

Here there is no overnight street
parking and no parking during school hours on either side. Zoning laws
equire 1 parking space behind the building line. (can be garage or
carport or open parking) and at least one spot in front. Before that
zoning came in effect some were too close to the street to park a car
on the property in the front - but back then most had "back alley"
access. No house newer than about 60 years has no on-site parking.

Parking tickets pretty quickly get more expensive than renting a spot
somewhere.

"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 15:15:56 +1100, "87213" wrote:



"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:05:01 +1100, "87213" wrote:



"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route
along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these share a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to park, not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2 mile of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have
even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road,
making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.


But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out front?
No!


Put restrictions in place and enforce.

Not feasible. Visitors wouldn't be able to park.

A couple of citations might
make them think about parking round back

One side restrictions work well everywhere else in the world.

But clearly wouldn't with that street.

Why not??? Explain yourself.

He said that street doesn't work when the cars are
parked only on one side.

Lots
of places both sides no parking.

So there would be nowhere for the visitors to park.

My visitors can park in my driveway.

But they don't have driveways on that street.

There is room for 4 vehicles. I
have 2. If I need more parking spaces for anevening I can arrange to
park one or more of my vehicles on a neighbour's driveway, or parkone
at a nearby school or church lot.

I live on a bus route - and next to a school that has numerous school
busses every morning, noon, and afternoon. No parking during school
bus times - either side,

Here there is no overnight street
parking and no parking during school hours on either side. Zoning laws
equire 1 parking space behind the building line. (can be garage or
carport or open parking) and at least one spot in front. Before that
zoning came in effect some were too close to the street to park a car
on the property in the front - but back then most had "back alley"
access. No house newer than about 60 years has no on-site parking.

Parking tickets pretty quickly get more expensive than renting a spot
somewhere.

Clare Snyder posted for all of us...



On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 23:56:31 -0000, "Bruce Farquhar"
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 22:47:57 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:

Bruce Farquhar wrote

I'm not talking about big locked ones, just the
silly 3 foot high ones that anyone can open.

Some are that anal.

Probably.

Some keep the dog in.

A few, but 10 times as many gates here as dogs.

They clearly don't stop burglars
as you just hop over it or open it.
They put the gates there to make mental midgets go to usenet asking
stupid questions.

+27.9

--
Tekkie

On 26/11/2018 01:14, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:37:02 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 25/11/2018 21:58, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 21:55:00 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 24/11/2018 23:56, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 22:47:57 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:

Bruce Farquhar wrote

I'm not talking about big locked ones, just the
silly 3 foot high ones that anyone can open.

Some are that anal.

Probably.

Some keep the dog in.

A few, but 10 times as many gates here as dogs.

They keep out the dogs of those owners that decide to excercise them
off
the lead and thus allow them to run into anyone's garden, **** on the
grass and run out again before the owner even catches up with them.

They also discourage other people's children from using the gardens
during games and damaging plants.

I'm glad I don't live where you do.* But I see gates in nice areas too.

We're in a pretty nice are, but some dog owners are just awful people.

The only awful dog owners I see are in the less desirable areas.* If
anyone didn't control their dog around here, the other neighbours would
very quickly fall out with them, report them, beat them up, etc.

We're in the leafy suburbs - trees along the verges between road and
pavement, children's play park, park with half a dozen football/other
pitches, two golf-courses (it was three until two years ago and the
council want to build 750 new homes on half of the third one, but there
have been huge protests), excellent schools (including Grammars).

We actually don't have gates (the drive being too short to close them
once the car is in, unless they are illegally opened out, over the
pavement),

Where do you live?* In the UK that isn't illegal, or it's never
enforced, because I see it all the time where space is tight.* Of course
you'd only get into trouble if the catch failed and the things swung
open and obstructed or harmed other people or vehicles.

Highways Act 1980, Section 153.

but there have been a few times that I have wished that we
did.

Sliding gate?

I have considered that, but doing so would involve the removal of a very
well established Cotoneaster and Japanese Willow.

There is always a small percentage of dog owners that will "walk"
their dog by letting it off the lead and strolling along, letting the
dog roam ahead. They are the same sort of owner that let the dog make a
mess on the grass verges and doesn't clean it up, despite many
passengers having to access cars via the verges and being unable to see
what's there in the dark; those that walk the dogs on the playing fields
where people will later be playing football or rugby; or those that have
dogs, but leave them alone all day, barking, whining, fretting and
annoying the neighbours.

If that became a problem here, I'd film it to find the owner, then
collect the **** and deposit it through the letterbox of the culprit.
They'd get the picture.

The trouble is that you'd have to set up a sufficiently high quality
CCTV system to identify them and if you don't notice the mess for a few
days, you have to trawl through days of footage. Even motion sensors
(yes that was intentional) won't reduce the footage greatly, as we are
on a connecting route for pedestrians between two main roads and have an
infant and a primary school at each end, pubs near both ends and shops
near both ends, so rather a lot of foot traffic.

I have no complaint at all with the responsible owners, as their dogs
cause no bother to anyone.

Ever tried pushing something through a letterbox to find your finger
bleeding?* The next time I went back there I used a chisel to push it
through, the dog made a rather upset sound :-)

As a teenager, I used to enjoy delivering the newspaper to a particular
house. It was very easy to turn delivery into a tug-of-war with the dog
and know that the other end of the newspaper was being nicely moistened
and shredded!

SteveW

On 26/11/2018 01:09, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:44:51 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 00:12, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 -0000, DerbyBorn
wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these share a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to park, not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2 mile of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road, making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.

But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out
front? No!

I don't understand this parking at the back nonsense.* Is this council
estates we're talking about?* They mostly seem to have been built before
the car was invented.* They have stupid systems where everyone parks in
the middle of a square of houses, but the front doors are on the
outside.* So a postman walks round the outside to post through the
letterboxes on the front doors, which are on a path.* But if a courier
wants to deliver something, he either has to run 200 yards round the
outside of the block from where he parked, or go through their private
back garden and knock on the back door, shocking the naked woman who
just got out of the shower.

In civilised places like my street, you access the house from the front,
where the road is, where the front door with the letterbox is, where the
driveway is.* The back garden does not have an exit, it borders onto the
back garden of the house in the next street, with a fence or hedge to
seperate them.* Cars do not park on the road apart from
buses/taxis/postmen.* Your own car lives in your drive or garage where
it belongs.

Ours is somewhat like that, but my wife's car lives on the road outside.
The driveway is only long enough for one car and access along the side
of the house, while useable for my kit-car or trailer, is too narrow for
everyday use - involving inching though with mirrors folded!

We are lucky, many houses only have access 3' to 4' wide to the back
garden. The houses were built in 1934/35 and cars weren't a
consideration.

I would never have bought a house like that.* I like my cars on my own
property.* My drive holds 5, plus 1 in the garage (if I hadn't converted
it).* I've only ever owned up to 3 cars at once.* Owning a car without
space to put it is like buying a computer motherboard with no case to
hold it in and just leaving it running on the floor.

If you want to live in the area, that's generally what you get unless
you are very well off. Anyway, when I bought the house, I was single and
my only plans for a second vehicle were for a motorbike.

SteveW

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:58:52 -0000, Steve Walker wrote:

On 26/11/2018 01:09, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:44:51 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 00:12, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 -0000, DerbyBorn
wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these share a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to park, not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2 mile of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road, making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.

But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out
front? No!

I don't understand this parking at the back nonsense. Is this council
estates we're talking about? They mostly seem to have been built before
the car was invented. They have stupid systems where everyone parks in
the middle of a square of houses, but the front doors are on the
outside. So a postman walks round the outside to post through the
letterboxes on the front doors, which are on a path. But if a courier
wants to deliver something, he either has to run 200 yards round the
outside of the block from where he parked, or go through their private
back garden and knock on the back door, shocking the naked woman who
just got out of the shower.

In civilised places like my street, you access the house from the front,
where the road is, where the front door with the letterbox is, where the
driveway is. The back garden does not have an exit, it borders onto the
back garden of the house in the next street, with a fence or hedge to
seperate them. Cars do not park on the road apart from
buses/taxis/postmen. Your own car lives in your drive or garage where
it belongs.

Ours is somewhat like that, but my wife's car lives on the road outside.
The driveway is only long enough for one car and access along the side
of the house, while useable for my kit-car or trailer, is too narrow for
everyday use - involving inching though with mirrors folded!

We are lucky, many houses only have access 3' to 4' wide to the back
garden. The houses were built in 1934/35 and cars weren't a
consideration.

I would never have bought a house like that. I like my cars on my own
property. My drive holds 5, plus 1 in the garage (if I hadn't converted
it). I've only ever owned up to 3 cars at once. Owning a car without
space to put it is like buying a computer motherboard with no case to
hold it in and just leaving it running on the floor.

If you want to live in the area, that's generally what you get unless
you are very well off.

Then don't live in that area, it's obviously ****. It's akin to buying something very expensive from Harrods instead of going to Aldi.

Anyway, when I bought the house, I was single and
my only plans for a second vehicle were for a motorbike.

There's nothing worse than a lack of forward planning - Microsoft etc do it all the time. Oh we'll never need more than 640K of RAM....

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:51:56 -0000, Tekkie® wrote:

Clare Snyder posted for all of us...



On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 23:56:31 -0000, "Bruce Farquhar"
wrote:

On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 22:47:57 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:

Bruce Farquhar wrote

I'm not talking about big locked ones, just the
silly 3 foot high ones that anyone can open.

Some are that anal.

Probably.

Some keep the dog in.

A few, but 10 times as many gates here as dogs.

They clearly don't stop burglars
as you just hop over it or open it.
They put the gates there to make mental midgets go to usenet asking
stupid questions.

+27.9

I deduce this is fictitious figure. Google provides no specific meaning to it.

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:54:45 +0000, Steve ******, the notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered:

The trouble is that you'd have to set up a sufficiently high quality
CCTV system to identify them and if you don't notice the mess for a few
days, you have to trawl through days of footage. Even motion sensors
(yes that was intentional) won't reduce the footage greatly, as we are
on a connecting route for pedestrians between two main roads and have an
infant and a primary school at each end, pubs near both ends and shops
near both ends, so rather a lot of foot traffic.

Oh, yeah, goes to she that a troll-feeding idiot is as much of a blithering
idiot as the troll he keeps feeding! tsk

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:58:52 +0000, Steve ******, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again:


If you want to live in the area, that's generally what you get unless
you are very well off. Anyway, when I bought the house, I was single and
my only plans for a second vehicle were for a motorbike.

SteveW

Could you take your idiotic blather off to an appropriate ng, troll-feeding
idiot? Somethinng like "alt.seniles"?

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:54:45 -0000, Steve Walker wrote:

On 26/11/2018 01:14, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:37:02 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 25/11/2018 21:58, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 21:55:00 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 24/11/2018 23:56, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 22:47:57 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:

Bruce Farquhar wrote

I'm not talking about big locked ones, just the
silly 3 foot high ones that anyone can open.

Some are that anal.

Probably.

Some keep the dog in.

A few, but 10 times as many gates here as dogs.

They keep out the dogs of those owners that decide to excercise them
off
the lead and thus allow them to run into anyone's garden, **** on the
grass and run out again before the owner even catches up with them.

They also discourage other people's children from using the gardens
during games and damaging plants.

I'm glad I don't live where you do. But I see gates in nice areas too.

We're in a pretty nice are, but some dog owners are just awful people.

The only awful dog owners I see are in the less desirable areas. If
anyone didn't control their dog around here, the other neighbours would
very quickly fall out with them, report them, beat them up, etc.

We're in the leafy suburbs - trees along the verges between road and
pavement, children's play park, park with half a dozen football/other
pitches, two golf-courses (it was three until two years ago and the
council want to build 750 new homes on half of the third one, but there
have been huge protests),

To house the immigrunts. Move while your house price is still high.

excellent schools (including Grammars).

Never live near a school, at lunchtime the little ****s run around vandalising things.

We actually don't have gates (the drive being too short to close them
once the car is in, unless they are illegally opened out, over the
pavement),

Where do you live? In the UK that isn't illegal, or it's never
enforced, because I see it all the time where space is tight. Of course
you'd only get into trouble if the catch failed and the things swung
open and obstructed or harmed other people or vehicles.

Highways Act 1980, Section 153.

As I said, "or it's never enforced". There are countless silly laws and rules that even the pigs ignore. Like flashing headlights to "warn of your presence" - I often see pigs doing it properly, to let you go first. Here's one letting me turn into a sideroad: https://youtu.be/9zOQ7JjJYsw

but there have been a few times that I have wished that we
did.

Sliding gate?

I have considered that, but doing so would involve the removal of a very
well established Cotoneaster and Japanese Willow.

Fair enough.

There is always a small percentage of dog owners that will "walk"
their dog by letting it off the lead and strolling along, letting the
dog roam ahead. They are the same sort of owner that let the dog make a
mess on the grass verges and doesn't clean it up, despite many
passengers having to access cars via the verges and being unable to see
what's there in the dark; those that walk the dogs on the playing fields
where people will later be playing football or rugby; or those that have
dogs, but leave them alone all day, barking, whining, fretting and
annoying the neighbours.

If that became a problem here, I'd film it to find the owner, then
collect the **** and deposit it through the letterbox of the culprit.
They'd get the picture.

The trouble is that you'd have to set up a sufficiently high quality
CCTV system to identify them

Come on, this is the 21st century, even phones have a high enough resolution to recognise folk.

and if you don't notice the mess for a few
days, you have to trawl through days of footage. Even motion sensors
(yes that was intentional) won't reduce the footage greatly, as we are
on a connecting route for pedestrians between two main roads and have an
infant and a primary school at each end, pubs near both ends and shops
near both ends, so rather a lot of foot traffic.

Surely you can know to go forwards through the recording if the **** isn't in the photo yet, and backwards if it is?

I have no complaint at all with the responsible owners, as their dogs
cause no bother to anyone.

Ever tried pushing something through a letterbox to find your finger
bleeding? The next time I went back there I used a chisel to push it
through, the dog made a rather upset sound :-)

As a teenager, I used to enjoy delivering the newspaper to a particular
house. It was very easy to turn delivery into a tug-of-war with the dog
and know that the other end of the newspaper was being nicely moistened
and shredded!

I once had a dog charge towards the door, along a long hallway of laminate flooring. I heard the occipital area of it's skull impact with the inside of the door, followed by a very loud and lengthy whine. Paws and laminate do not create a large coefficient of dynamic friction.

On 26/11/2018 22:32, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:58:52 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 01:09, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:44:51 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 00:12, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 -0000, DerbyBorn
wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route
along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these share a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to park, not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2 mile of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have
even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road,
making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.

But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out
front? No!

I don't understand this parking at the back nonsense.* Is this council
estates we're talking about?* They mostly seem to have been built
before
the car was invented.* They have stupid systems where everyone
parks in
the middle of a square of houses, but the front doors are on the
outside.* So a postman walks round the outside to post through the
letterboxes on the front doors, which are on a path.* But if a courier
wants to deliver something, he either has to run 200 yards round the
outside of the block from where he parked, or go through their private
back garden and knock on the back door, shocking the naked woman who
just got out of the shower.

In civilised places like my street, you access the house from the
front,
where the road is, where the front door with the letterbox is,
where the
driveway is.* The back garden does not have an exit, it borders
onto the
back garden of the house in the next street, with a fence or hedge to
seperate them.* Cars do not park on the road apart from
buses/taxis/postmen.* Your own car lives in your drive or garage where
it belongs.

Ours is somewhat like that, but my wife's car lives on the road
outside.
The driveway is only long enough for one car and access along the side
of the house, while useable for my kit-car or trailer, is too narrow
for
everyday use - involving inching though with mirrors folded!

We are lucky, many houses only have access 3' to 4' wide to the back
garden. The houses were built in 1934/35 and cars weren't a
consideration.

I would never have bought a house like that.* I like my cars on my own
property.* My drive holds 5, plus 1 in the garage (if I hadn't converted
it).* I've only ever owned up to 3 cars at once.* Owning a car without
space to put it is like buying a computer motherboard with no case to
hold it in and just leaving it running on the floor.

If you want to live in the area, that's generally what you get unless
you are very well off.

Then don't live in that area, it's obviously ****.* It's akin to buying
something very expensive from Harrods instead of going to Aldi.

As I've lived in the area all my life and my wife grew up here, it makes
sense to stay in an area we are happy with, near friends and family. It
makes life both nicer and easier - easy to drop round for a visit and
on-hand to help out when needed ... which works both ways. It is an area
with easy motorway connections for working anywhere within a pretty
large area - hence not a cheap, run-down area.

SteveW

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:29:42 -0000, Steve Walker wrote:

On 26/11/2018 22:32, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:58:52 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 01:09, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:44:51 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 00:12, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 -0000, DerbyBorn
wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route
along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these share a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to park, not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2 mile of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have
even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road,
making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.

But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out
front? No!

I don't understand this parking at the back nonsense. Is this council
estates we're talking about? They mostly seem to have been built
before
the car was invented. They have stupid systems where everyone
parks in
the middle of a square of houses, but the front doors are on the
outside. So a postman walks round the outside to post through the
letterboxes on the front doors, which are on a path. But if a courier
wants to deliver something, he either has to run 200 yards round the
outside of the block from where he parked, or go through their private
back garden and knock on the back door, shocking the naked woman who
just got out of the shower.

In civilised places like my street, you access the house from the
front,
where the road is, where the front door with the letterbox is,
where the
driveway is. The back garden does not have an exit, it borders
onto the
back garden of the house in the next street, with a fence or hedge to
seperate them. Cars do not park on the road apart from
buses/taxis/postmen. Your own car lives in your drive or garage where
it belongs.

Ours is somewhat like that, but my wife's car lives on the road
outside.
The driveway is only long enough for one car and access along the side
of the house, while useable for my kit-car or trailer, is too narrow
for
everyday use - involving inching though with mirrors folded!

We are lucky, many houses only have access 3' to 4' wide to the back
garden. The houses were built in 1934/35 and cars weren't a
consideration.

I would never have bought a house like that. I like my cars on my own
property. My drive holds 5, plus 1 in the garage (if I hadn't converted
it). I've only ever owned up to 3 cars at once. Owning a car without
space to put it is like buying a computer motherboard with no case to
hold it in and just leaving it running on the floor.

If you want to live in the area, that's generally what you get unless
you are very well off.

Then don't live in that area, it's obviously ****. It's akin to buying
something very expensive from Harrods instead of going to Aldi.

As I've lived in the area all my life and my wife grew up here, it makes
sense to stay in an area we are happy with, near friends and family. It
makes life both nicer and easier - easy to drop round for a visit and
on-hand to help out when needed ... which works both ways. It is an area
with easy motorway connections for working anywhere within a pretty
large area - hence not a cheap, run-down area.

I've never understood relatives wanting to stay where they are. My family have moved all over the country (form London to the Highlands). The invention of the motor car allows visits when desired, and also allows you to be away from them!

Anyway, I'm sure you wouldn't have to travel more than 30 miles to find a cheaper/nicer/bigger area.

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:29:42 +0000, Steve ******, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again:


As I've lived in the area all my life and my wife grew up here

Oh, no! Not yet another lengthy senile bull**** story! Gee....

"Bruce Farquhar" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:29:42 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 22:32, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:58:52 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 01:09, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:44:51 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 00:12, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 -0000, DerbyBorn

wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route
along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these share
a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens
with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to park,
not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2 mile
of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have
even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road,
making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.

But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out
front? No!

I don't understand this parking at the back nonsense. Is this
council
estates we're talking about? They mostly seem to have been built
before
the car was invented. They have stupid systems where everyone
parks in
the middle of a square of houses, but the front doors are on the
outside. So a postman walks round the outside to post through the
letterboxes on the front doors, which are on a path. But if a
courier
wants to deliver something, he either has to run 200 yards round the
outside of the block from where he parked, or go through their
private
back garden and knock on the back door, shocking the naked woman who
just got out of the shower.

In civilised places like my street, you access the house from the
front,
where the road is, where the front door with the letterbox is,
where the
driveway is. The back garden does not have an exit, it borders
onto the
back garden of the house in the next street, with a fence or hedge
to
seperate them. Cars do not park on the road apart from
buses/taxis/postmen. Your own car lives in your drive or garage
where
it belongs.

Ours is somewhat like that, but my wife's car lives on the road
outside.
The driveway is only long enough for one car and access along the
side
of the house, while useable for my kit-car or trailer, is too narrow
for
everyday use - involving inching though with mirrors folded!

We are lucky, many houses only have access 3' to 4' wide to the back
garden. The houses were built in 1934/35 and cars weren't a
consideration.

I would never have bought a house like that. I like my cars on my own
property. My drive holds 5, plus 1 in the garage (if I hadn't
converted
it). I've only ever owned up to 3 cars at once. Owning a car without
space to put it is like buying a computer motherboard with no case to
hold it in and just leaving it running on the floor.

If you want to live in the area, that's generally what you get unless
you are very well off.

Then don't live in that area, it's obviously ****. It's akin to buying
something very expensive from Harrods instead of going to Aldi.

As I've lived in the area all my life and my wife grew up here, it makes
sense to stay in an area we are happy with, near friends and family. It
makes life both nicer and easier - easy to drop round for a visit and
on-hand to help out when needed ... which works both ways. It is an area
with easy motorway connections for working anywhere within a pretty
large area - hence not a cheap, run-down area.

I've never understood relatives wanting to stay where they are. My family
have moved all over the country (form London to the Highlands).

To get away from you.

The invention of the motor car allows visits when desired, and also allows
you to be away from them!

Bet they say thank christ for that.

Anyway, I'm sure you wouldn't have to travel more than 30 miles to find a
cheaper/nicer/bigger area.

....and much better air in here again!

--
"Anonymous" to trolling senile Rot Speed:
"You can **** off as you know less than pig **** you sad
little ignorant ****."
MID:

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 00:13:18 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Bruce Farquhar" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:29:42 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 22:32, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:58:52 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 01:09, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:44:51 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 00:12, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 -0000, DerbyBorn

wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route
along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these share
a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens
with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to park,
not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2 mile
of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have
even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road,
making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.

But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out
front? No!

I don't understand this parking at the back nonsense. Is this
council
estates we're talking about? They mostly seem to have been built
before
the car was invented. They have stupid systems where everyone
parks in
the middle of a square of houses, but the front doors are on the
outside. So a postman walks round the outside to post through the
letterboxes on the front doors, which are on a path. But if a
courier
wants to deliver something, he either has to run 200 yards round the
outside of the block from where he parked, or go through their
private
back garden and knock on the back door, shocking the naked woman who
just got out of the shower.

In civilised places like my street, you access the house from the
front,
where the road is, where the front door with the letterbox is,
where the
driveway is. The back garden does not have an exit, it borders
onto the
back garden of the house in the next street, with a fence or hedge
to
seperate them. Cars do not park on the road apart from
buses/taxis/postmen. Your own car lives in your drive or garage
where
it belongs.

Ours is somewhat like that, but my wife's car lives on the road
outside.
The driveway is only long enough for one car and access along the
side
of the house, while useable for my kit-car or trailer, is too narrow
for
everyday use - involving inching though with mirrors folded!

We are lucky, many houses only have access 3' to 4' wide to the back
garden. The houses were built in 1934/35 and cars weren't a
consideration.

I would never have bought a house like that. I like my cars on my own
property. My drive holds 5, plus 1 in the garage (if I hadn't
converted
it). I've only ever owned up to 3 cars at once. Owning a car without
space to put it is like buying a computer motherboard with no case to
hold it in and just leaving it running on the floor.

If you want to live in the area, that's generally what you get unless
you are very well off.

Then don't live in that area, it's obviously ****. It's akin to buying
something very expensive from Harrods instead of going to Aldi.

As I've lived in the area all my life and my wife grew up here, it makes
sense to stay in an area we are happy with, near friends and family. It
makes life both nicer and easier - easy to drop round for a visit and
on-hand to help out when needed ... which works both ways. It is an area
with easy motorway connections for working anywhere within a pretty
large area - hence not a cheap, run-down area.

I've never understood relatives wanting to stay where they are. My family
have moved all over the country (form London to the Highlands).

To get away from you.

No, for a change. Why would you want to live in the same place all your life?

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 07:39:19 +1100, "87213" wrote:

One side restrictions work well everywhere else in the world.

But clearly wouldn't with that street.

Why not??? Explain yourself.

He said that street doesn't work when the cars are
parked only on one side.

And it works with them pparked on both sides?????

"Bruce Farquhar" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 00:13:18 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Bruce Farquhar" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:29:42 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 22:32, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:58:52 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 01:09, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:44:51 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 00:12, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 -0000, DerbyBorn

wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route
along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these
share
a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens
with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to park,
not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2
mile
of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars
usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have
even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road,
making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.

But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out
front? No!

I don't understand this parking at the back nonsense. Is this
council
estates we're talking about? They mostly seem to have been built
before
the car was invented. They have stupid systems where everyone
parks in
the middle of a square of houses, but the front doors are on the
outside. So a postman walks round the outside to post through the
letterboxes on the front doors, which are on a path. But if a
courier
wants to deliver something, he either has to run 200 yards round
the
outside of the block from where he parked, or go through their
private
back garden and knock on the back door, shocking the naked woman
who
just got out of the shower.

In civilised places like my street, you access the house from the
front,
where the road is, where the front door with the letterbox is,
where the
driveway is. The back garden does not have an exit, it borders
onto the
back garden of the house in the next street, with a fence or hedge
to
seperate them. Cars do not park on the road apart from
buses/taxis/postmen. Your own car lives in your drive or garage
where
it belongs.

Ours is somewhat like that, but my wife's car lives on the road
outside.
The driveway is only long enough for one car and access along the
side
of the house, while useable for my kit-car or trailer, is too
narrow
for
everyday use - involving inching though with mirrors folded!

We are lucky, many houses only have access 3' to 4' wide to the
back
garden. The houses were built in 1934/35 and cars weren't a
consideration.

I would never have bought a house like that. I like my cars on my
own
property. My drive holds 5, plus 1 in the garage (if I hadn't
converted
it). I've only ever owned up to 3 cars at once. Owning a car
without
space to put it is like buying a computer motherboard with no case
to
hold it in and just leaving it running on the floor.

If you want to live in the area, that's generally what you get unless
you are very well off.

Then don't live in that area, it's obviously ****. It's akin to
buying
something very expensive from Harrods instead of going to Aldi.

As I've lived in the area all my life and my wife grew up here, it
makes
sense to stay in an area we are happy with, near friends and family. It
makes life both nicer and easier - easy to drop round for a visit and
on-hand to help out when needed ... which works both ways. It is an
area
with easy motorway connections for working anywhere within a pretty
large area - hence not a cheap, run-down area.

I've never understood relatives wanting to stay where they are. My
family
have moved all over the country (form London to the Highlands).

To get away from you.

No, for a change.

Don't believe it.

Why would you want to live in the same place all your life?

I havent.

"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 07:39:19 +1100, "87213" wrote:

One side restrictions work well everywhere else in the world.

But clearly wouldn't with that street.

Why not??? Explain yourself.

He said that street doesn't work when the cars are
parked only on one side.

And it works with them pparked on both sides?????

He said that that is even worse when it happens.
But given that there are no driveways, what you
propose they do clearly wouldn't work with visitors.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 13:15:53 +1100, "87213" wrote:



"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 07:39:19 +1100, "87213" wrote:

One side restrictions work well everywhere else in the world.

But clearly wouldn't with that street.

Why not??? Explain yourself.

He said that street doesn't work when the cars are
parked only on one side.

And it works with them pparked on both sides?????

He said that that is even worse when it happens.
But given that there are no driveways, what you
propose they do clearly wouldn't work with visitors.
They can park on the next street that DOES have parkingand walk --
No???? or park on the one side of the road where parking IS allowed.

Or can't prople on your side of the pond think?

"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 13:15:53 +1100, "87213" wrote:



"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 07:39:19 +1100, "87213" wrote:

One side restrictions work well everywhere else in the world.

But clearly wouldn't with that street.

Why not??? Explain yourself.

He said that street doesn't work when the cars are
parked only on one side.

And it works with them pparked on both sides?????

He said that that is even worse when it happens.
But given that there are no driveways, what you
propose they do clearly wouldn't work with visitors.

They can park on the next street that DOES have parkingand walk -- No????

You don't know that the next street has that.

or park on the one side of the road where parking IS allowed.

Which is precisely what they do now, so your original that
there is something they can do to improve things has failed.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:28:43 +1100, "87213" wrote:



"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 13:15:53 +1100, "87213" wrote:



"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 07:39:19 +1100, "87213" wrote:

One side restrictions work well everywhere else in the world.

But clearly wouldn't with that street.

Why not??? Explain yourself.

He said that street doesn't work when the cars are
parked only on one side.

And it works with them pparked on both sides?????

He said that that is even worse when it happens.
But given that there are no driveways, what you
propose they do clearly wouldn't work with visitors.

They can park on the next street that DOES have parkingand walk -- No????

You don't know that the next street has that.

or park on the one side of the road where parking IS allowed.

Which is precisely what they do now, so your original that
there is something they can do to improve things has failed.

the OP said they parked on both sides - - - - But then mr numbers
just likes to argue.. Bys Bye

"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:28:43 +1100, "87213" wrote:



"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 13:15:53 +1100, "87213" wrote:



"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
m...
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 07:39:19 +1100, "87213" wrote:

One side restrictions work well everywhere else in the world.

But clearly wouldn't with that street.

Why not??? Explain yourself.

He said that street doesn't work when the cars are
parked only on one side.

And it works with them pparked on both sides?????

He said that that is even worse when it happens.
But given that there are no driveways, what you
propose they do clearly wouldn't work with visitors.

They can park on the next street that DOES have parkingand walk --
No????

You don't know that the next street has that.

or park on the one side of the road where parking IS allowed.

Which is precisely what they do now, so your original that
there is something they can do to improve things has failed.

the OP said they parked on both sides - - - -

No he did not.

But then mr numbers just likes to argue.. Bys Bye

Corse you never ever argue, eh ?

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 13:13:32 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH all the inane idiotic troll drivel

--
Another retarded "conversation" between Birdbrain and senile Rot:

Senile Rot: " Did you ever dig a hole to bury your own ****?"

Birdbrain: "I do if there's no flush toilet around."

Senile Rot: "Yeah, I prefer camping like that, off by myself with
no dunnys around and have always buried the ****."

MID:

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 18:23:28 -0000, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:

On 11/24/2018 2:38 PM, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
I'm not talking about big locked ones, just the silly 3 foot high ones that anyone can open. They clearly don't stop burglars as you just hop over it or open it.

It's an aesthetic thing, Brucey.

It's a waste of time for the owner and every visitor.

On 26/11/2018 23:44, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:29:42 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 22:32, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:58:52 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 01:09, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:44:51 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 00:12, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 -0000, DerbyBorn

wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route
along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these
share a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens
with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to
park, not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2
mile of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have
even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road,
making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.

But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out
front? No!

I don't understand this parking at the back nonsense.* Is this
council
estates we're talking about?* They mostly seem to have been built
before
the car was invented.* They have stupid systems where everyone
parks in
the middle of a square of houses, but the front doors are on the
outside.* So a postman walks round the outside to post through the
letterboxes on the front doors, which are on a path.* But if a
courier
wants to deliver something, he either has to run 200 yards round the
outside of the block from where he parked, or go through their
private
back garden and knock on the back door, shocking the naked woman who
just got out of the shower.

In civilised places like my street, you access the house from the
front,
where the road is, where the front door with the letterbox is,
where the
driveway is.* The back garden does not have an exit, it borders
onto the
back garden of the house in the next street, with a fence or
hedge to
seperate them.* Cars do not park on the road apart from
buses/taxis/postmen.* Your own car lives in your drive or garage
where
it belongs.

Ours is somewhat like that, but my wife's car lives on the road
outside.
The driveway is only long enough for one car and access along the
side
of the house, while useable for my kit-car or trailer, is too narrow
for
everyday use - involving inching though with mirrors folded!

We are lucky, many houses only have access 3' to 4' wide to the back
garden. The houses were built in 1934/35 and cars weren't a
consideration.

I would never have bought a house like that.* I like my cars on my own
property.* My drive holds 5, plus 1 in the garage (if I hadn't
converted
it).* I've only ever owned up to 3 cars at once.* Owning a car without
space to put it is like buying a computer motherboard with no case to
hold it in and just leaving it running on the floor.

If you want to live in the area, that's generally what you get unless
you are very well off.

Then don't live in that area, it's obviously ****.* It's akin to buying
something very expensive from Harrods instead of going to Aldi.

As I've lived in the area all my life and my wife grew up here, it makes
sense to stay in an area we are happy with, near friends and family. It
makes life both nicer and easier - easy to drop round for a visit and
on-hand to help out when needed ... which works both ways. It is an area
with easy motorway connections for working anywhere within a pretty
large area - hence not a cheap, run-down area.

I've never understood relatives wanting to stay where they are.* My
family have moved all over the country (form London to the Highlands).
The invention of the motor car allows visits when desired, and also
allows you to be away from them!

We can live perfectly separately 3/4 of a mile apart and not see each
other for weeks, but also be able to drop in while passing or phone up
half way through some work for a helping hand or to borrow a specific
tool that'd make it easier. When the children were younger, we could
decide to go out shopping, phone to see if it was convenient and drop
them off within a few minutes, rather than dragging them around with us
when they didn't want to be there. My parents can be round with a few
minutes notice if I am already at work and my wife is not well enough
that morning to get the youngest to school - she has a chronic illness
that severely limits her at times.

Family and friends provide a support network and you provide supposrt
for them. Why would you want to throw that away by living further away?

Anyway, I'm sure you wouldn't have to travel more than 30 miles to find
a cheaper/nicer/bigger area.

Cheaper - yes, nicer - a little, bigger - possibly. Combinations of
those no. Certainly not with the same easy transport links. Currently 15
minutes to travel 12 miles to work (where there are dozens of companies
within my profession), but with major problems on a regular basis coming
from the other directions. We are perfectly positioned so that for
almost all of my working life (at many places, as I am a contractor), I
have travelled the opposite way to the bulk of the traffic at both ends
of the day.

SteveW

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:51:57 -0000, Steve Walker wrote:

On 26/11/2018 23:44, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:29:42 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 22:32, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:58:52 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 01:09, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:44:51 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 00:12, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 -0000, DerbyBorn

wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route
along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these
share a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens
with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to
park, not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2
mile of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have
even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road,
making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.

But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out
front? No!

I don't understand this parking at the back nonsense. Is this
council
estates we're talking about? They mostly seem to have been built
before
the car was invented. They have stupid systems where everyone
parks in
the middle of a square of houses, but the front doors are on the
outside. So a postman walks round the outside to post through the
letterboxes on the front doors, which are on a path. But if a
courier
wants to deliver something, he either has to run 200 yards round the
outside of the block from where he parked, or go through their
private
back garden and knock on the back door, shocking the naked woman who
just got out of the shower.

In civilised places like my street, you access the house from the
front,
where the road is, where the front door with the letterbox is,
where the
driveway is. The back garden does not have an exit, it borders
onto the
back garden of the house in the next street, with a fence or
hedge to
seperate them. Cars do not park on the road apart from
buses/taxis/postmen. Your own car lives in your drive or garage
where
it belongs.

Ours is somewhat like that, but my wife's car lives on the road
outside.
The driveway is only long enough for one car and access along the
side
of the house, while useable for my kit-car or trailer, is too narrow
for
everyday use - involving inching though with mirrors folded!

We are lucky, many houses only have access 3' to 4' wide to the back
garden. The houses were built in 1934/35 and cars weren't a
consideration.

I would never have bought a house like that. I like my cars on my own
property. My drive holds 5, plus 1 in the garage (if I hadn't
converted
it). I've only ever owned up to 3 cars at once. Owning a car without
space to put it is like buying a computer motherboard with no case to
hold it in and just leaving it running on the floor.

If you want to live in the area, that's generally what you get unless
you are very well off.

Then don't live in that area, it's obviously ****. It's akin to buying
something very expensive from Harrods instead of going to Aldi.

As I've lived in the area all my life and my wife grew up here, it makes
sense to stay in an area we are happy with, near friends and family. It
makes life both nicer and easier - easy to drop round for a visit and
on-hand to help out when needed ... which works both ways. It is an area
with easy motorway connections for working anywhere within a pretty
large area - hence not a cheap, run-down area.

I've never understood relatives wanting to stay where they are. My
family have moved all over the country (form London to the Highlands).
The invention of the motor car allows visits when desired, and also
allows you to be away from them!

We can live perfectly separately 3/4 of a mile apart and not see each
other for weeks, but also be able to drop in while passing or phone up
half way through some work for a helping hand or to borrow a specific
tool that'd make it easier. When the children were younger, we could
decide to go out shopping, phone to see if it was convenient and drop
them off within a few minutes, rather than dragging them around with us
when they didn't want to be there. My parents can be round with a few
minutes notice if I am already at work and my wife is not well enough
that morning to get the youngest to school - she has a chronic illness
that severely limits her at times.

Family and friends provide a support network and you provide supposrt
for them. Why would you want to throw that away by living further away?

It depends how you get on with your relatives. Some people want to be sure they won't just turn up!

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:51:57 +0000, Steve ******, the brain-damaged,
notorious, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again:


We can live perfectly separately 3/4 of a mile

Oh, no! Not yet another lengthy senile bull**** story from one of the
resident seniles here!

FLUSH

"Bruce Farquhar" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:51:57 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 23:44, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:29:42 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 22:32, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:58:52 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 01:09, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:44:51 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 00:12, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 -0000, DerbyBorn

wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route
along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these
share a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens
with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to
park, not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2
mile of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars
usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have
even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road,
making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.

But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out
front? No!

I don't understand this parking at the back nonsense. Is this
council
estates we're talking about? They mostly seem to have been built
before
the car was invented. They have stupid systems where everyone
parks in
the middle of a square of houses, but the front doors are on the
outside. So a postman walks round the outside to post through the
letterboxes on the front doors, which are on a path. But if a
courier
wants to deliver something, he either has to run 200 yards round
the
outside of the block from where he parked, or go through their
private
back garden and knock on the back door, shocking the naked woman
who
just got out of the shower.

In civilised places like my street, you access the house from the
front,
where the road is, where the front door with the letterbox is,
where the
driveway is. The back garden does not have an exit, it borders
onto the
back garden of the house in the next street, with a fence or
hedge to
seperate them. Cars do not park on the road apart from
buses/taxis/postmen. Your own car lives in your drive or garage
where
it belongs.

Ours is somewhat like that, but my wife's car lives on the road
outside.
The driveway is only long enough for one car and access along the
side
of the house, while useable for my kit-car or trailer, is too
narrow
for
everyday use - involving inching though with mirrors folded!

We are lucky, many houses only have access 3' to 4' wide to the
back
garden. The houses were built in 1934/35 and cars weren't a
consideration.

I would never have bought a house like that. I like my cars on my
own
property. My drive holds 5, plus 1 in the garage (if I hadn't
converted
it). I've only ever owned up to 3 cars at once. Owning a car
without
space to put it is like buying a computer motherboard with no case
to
hold it in and just leaving it running on the floor.

If you want to live in the area, that's generally what you get unless
you are very well off.

Then don't live in that area, it's obviously ****. It's akin to
buying
something very expensive from Harrods instead of going to Aldi.

As I've lived in the area all my life and my wife grew up here, it
makes
sense to stay in an area we are happy with, near friends and family. It
makes life both nicer and easier - easy to drop round for a visit and
on-hand to help out when needed ... which works both ways. It is an
area
with easy motorway connections for working anywhere within a pretty
large area - hence not a cheap, run-down area.

I've never understood relatives wanting to stay where they are. My
family have moved all over the country (form London to the Highlands).
The invention of the motor car allows visits when desired, and also
allows you to be away from them!

We can live perfectly separately 3/4 of a mile apart and not see each
other for weeks, but also be able to drop in while passing or phone up
half way through some work for a helping hand or to borrow a specific
tool that'd make it easier. When the children were younger, we could
decide to go out shopping, phone to see if it was convenient and drop
them off within a few minutes, rather than dragging them around with us
when they didn't want to be there. My parents can be round with a few
minutes notice if I am already at work and my wife is not well enough
that morning to get the youngest to school - she has a chronic illness
that severely limits her at times.

Family and friends provide a support network and you provide supposrt
for them. Why would you want to throw that away by living further away?

It depends how you get on with your relatives. Some people want to be
sure they won't just turn up!

Yeah, that's why yours ****ed off and your parent paid
the deposit on the hovel a long way from them.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 22:42:04 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Bruce Farquhar" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:51:57 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 23:44, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:29:42 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 22:32, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:58:52 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 01:09, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:44:51 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 00:12, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 -0000, DerbyBorn

wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route
along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these
share a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens
with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to
park, not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2
mile of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars
usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have
even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road,
making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.

But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out
front? No!

I don't understand this parking at the back nonsense. Is this
council
estates we're talking about? They mostly seem to have been built
before
the car was invented. They have stupid systems where everyone
parks in
the middle of a square of houses, but the front doors are on the
outside. So a postman walks round the outside to post through the
letterboxes on the front doors, which are on a path. But if a
courier
wants to deliver something, he either has to run 200 yards round
the
outside of the block from where he parked, or go through their
private
back garden and knock on the back door, shocking the naked woman
who
just got out of the shower.

In civilised places like my street, you access the house from the
front,
where the road is, where the front door with the letterbox is,
where the
driveway is. The back garden does not have an exit, it borders
onto the
back garden of the house in the next street, with a fence or
hedge to
seperate them. Cars do not park on the road apart from
buses/taxis/postmen. Your own car lives in your drive or garage
where
it belongs.

Ours is somewhat like that, but my wife's car lives on the road
outside.
The driveway is only long enough for one car and access along the
side
of the house, while useable for my kit-car or trailer, is too
narrow
for
everyday use - involving inching though with mirrors folded!

We are lucky, many houses only have access 3' to 4' wide to the
back
garden. The houses were built in 1934/35 and cars weren't a
consideration.

I would never have bought a house like that. I like my cars on my
own
property. My drive holds 5, plus 1 in the garage (if I hadn't
converted
it). I've only ever owned up to 3 cars at once. Owning a car
without
space to put it is like buying a computer motherboard with no case
to
hold it in and just leaving it running on the floor.

If you want to live in the area, that's generally what you get unless
you are very well off.

Then don't live in that area, it's obviously ****. It's akin to
buying
something very expensive from Harrods instead of going to Aldi.

As I've lived in the area all my life and my wife grew up here, it
makes
sense to stay in an area we are happy with, near friends and family. It
makes life both nicer and easier - easy to drop round for a visit and
on-hand to help out when needed ... which works both ways. It is an
area
with easy motorway connections for working anywhere within a pretty
large area - hence not a cheap, run-down area.

I've never understood relatives wanting to stay where they are. My
family have moved all over the country (form London to the Highlands).
The invention of the motor car allows visits when desired, and also
allows you to be away from them!

We can live perfectly separately 3/4 of a mile apart and not see each
other for weeks, but also be able to drop in while passing or phone up
half way through some work for a helping hand or to borrow a specific
tool that'd make it easier. When the children were younger, we could
decide to go out shopping, phone to see if it was convenient and drop
them off within a few minutes, rather than dragging them around with us
when they didn't want to be there. My parents can be round with a few
minutes notice if I am already at work and my wife is not well enough
that morning to get the youngest to school - she has a chronic illness
that severely limits her at times.

Family and friends provide a support network and you provide supposrt
for them. Why would you want to throw that away by living further away?

It depends how you get on with your relatives. Some people want to be
sure they won't just turn up!

Yeah, that's why yours ****ed off and your parent paid
the deposit on the hovel a long way from them.

Not exactly.

On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:42:04 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

It depends how you get on with your relatives. Some people want to be
sure they won't just turn up!

Yeah, that's why yours ****ed off and your parent paid
the deposit on the hovel a long way from them.

That's why YOU "live" on Usenet ...because EVERYONE in your neighbourhood is
****ed off with you, senile Rot! And we ALL know WHY! BG

--
Sqwertz to Rot Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID:

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 20:29:56 -0000, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 15:15:56 +1100, "87213" wrote:



"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:05:01 +1100, "87213" wrote:



"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these share a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to park, not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2 mile of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road, making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.


But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out front?
No!


Put restrictions in place and enforce.

Not feasible. Visitors wouldn't be able to park.

A couple of citations might
make them think about parking round back

One side restrictions work well everywhere else in the world.

But clearly wouldn't with that street.

Why not??? Explain yourself.

Lots
of places both sides no parking.

So there would be nowhere for the visitors to park.

My visitors can park in my driveway. There is room for 4 vehicles. I
have 2. If I need more parking spaces for anevening I can arrange to
park one or more of my vehicles on a neighbour's driveway, or parkone
at a nearby school or church lot.

I live on a bus route - and next to a school that has numerous school
busses every morning, noon, and afternoon. No parking during school
bus times - either side,

It's high time schools and buses stopped taking priority over people who live there.

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 03:25:40 -0000, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:05:01 +1100, "87213" wrote:



"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these share a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to park, not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2 mile of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road, making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.


But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out front? No!


Put restrictions in place and enforce.

Not feasible. Visitors wouldn't be able to park.

A couple of citations might
make them think about parking round back

One side restrictions work well everywhere else in the world. Lots
of places both sides no parking. Here there is no overnight street
parking and no parking during school hours on either side. Zoning laws
equire 1 parking space behind the building line. (can be garage or
carport or open parking) and at least one spot in front. Before that
zoning came in effect some were too close to the street to park a car
on the property in the front - but back then most had "back alley"
access. No house newer than about 60 years has no on-site parking.

Parking tickets pretty quickly get more expensive than renting a spot
somewhere.

I would never buy a house where Hitler ran the streets. Do you still have your own free will?

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 02:13:32 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Bruce Farquhar" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 00:13:18 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Bruce Farquhar" wrote in message
news On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:29:42 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 22:32, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:58:52 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 01:09, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:44:51 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 00:12, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 -0000, DerbyBorn

wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus route
along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these
share
a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens
with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to park,
not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2
mile
of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars
usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I have
even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road,
making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.

But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out
front? No!

I don't understand this parking at the back nonsense. Is this
council
estates we're talking about? They mostly seem to have been built
before
the car was invented. They have stupid systems where everyone
parks in
the middle of a square of houses, but the front doors are on the
outside. So a postman walks round the outside to post through the
letterboxes on the front doors, which are on a path. But if a
courier
wants to deliver something, he either has to run 200 yards round
the
outside of the block from where he parked, or go through their
private
back garden and knock on the back door, shocking the naked woman
who
just got out of the shower.

In civilised places like my street, you access the house from the
front,
where the road is, where the front door with the letterbox is,
where the
driveway is. The back garden does not have an exit, it borders
onto the
back garden of the house in the next street, with a fence or hedge
to
seperate them. Cars do not park on the road apart from
buses/taxis/postmen. Your own car lives in your drive or garage
where
it belongs.

Ours is somewhat like that, but my wife's car lives on the road
outside.
The driveway is only long enough for one car and access along the
side
of the house, while useable for my kit-car or trailer, is too
narrow
for
everyday use - involving inching though with mirrors folded!

We are lucky, many houses only have access 3' to 4' wide to the
back
garden. The houses were built in 1934/35 and cars weren't a
consideration.

I would never have bought a house like that. I like my cars on my
own
property. My drive holds 5, plus 1 in the garage (if I hadn't
converted
it). I've only ever owned up to 3 cars at once. Owning a car
without
space to put it is like buying a computer motherboard with no case
to
hold it in and just leaving it running on the floor.

If you want to live in the area, that's generally what you get unless
you are very well off.

Then don't live in that area, it's obviously ****. It's akin to
buying
something very expensive from Harrods instead of going to Aldi.

As I've lived in the area all my life and my wife grew up here, it
makes
sense to stay in an area we are happy with, near friends and family. It
makes life both nicer and easier - easy to drop round for a visit and
on-hand to help out when needed ... which works both ways. It is an
area
with easy motorway connections for working anywhere within a pretty
large area - hence not a cheap, run-down area.

I've never understood relatives wanting to stay where they are. My
family
have moved all over the country (form London to the Highlands).

To get away from you.

No, for a change.

Don't believe it.

My parents moved further north for the scenery, the quiet, and the hillwalking.

Why would you want to live in the same place all your life?

I havent.

There you go then, so you're not next to your rellos then.

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 09:53:21 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 22:30:09 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

I'm not talking about big locked ones, just the silly 3 foot high
ones
that anyone can open.á They clearly don't stop burglars as you
just hop
over it or open it.

Keep the dog in?

Or the sheep/cattle out when they are being moved along the road.

I be talking about towns, not country areas.

"Bruce Farquhar" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 22:42:04 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Bruce Farquhar" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 21:51:57 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 23:44, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:29:42 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 22:32, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:58:52 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 01:09, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:44:51 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 26/11/2018 00:12, Bruce Farquhar wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 23:15:43 -0000, DerbyBorn

wrote:



Likewise here, just laziness. There is a busy regular bus
route
along
the road, at the end of my street. A good half mile of that is
occupied by large detached and semi- detached houses, these
share a
long access road at the rear and a have large-ish rear gardens
with
garages and parking built on them. Do they use the rear to
park, not
likely...

They park out front, usually in a continuous row of near 1/2
mile of
parked vehicles, causing absolute chaos for traffic. Cars
usually
manage to somehow get through, but buses really struggle. I
have
even
regularly seen them incredibly park on both sides of the road,
making
it a real struggle for buses, sometimes impossible.

But do the planners try to accept that people like to park out
front? No!

I don't understand this parking at the back nonsense. Is this
council
estates we're talking about? They mostly seem to have been
built
before
the car was invented. They have stupid systems where everyone
parks in
the middle of a square of houses, but the front doors are on the
outside. So a postman walks round the outside to post through
the
letterboxes on the front doors, which are on a path. But if a
courier
wants to deliver something, he either has to run 200 yards round
the
outside of the block from where he parked, or go through their
private
back garden and knock on the back door, shocking the naked woman
who
just got out of the shower.

In civilised places like my street, you access the house from
the
front,
where the road is, where the front door with the letterbox is,
where the
driveway is. The back garden does not have an exit, it borders
onto the
back garden of the house in the next street, with a fence or
hedge to
seperate them. Cars do not park on the road apart from
buses/taxis/postmen. Your own car lives in your drive or garage
where
it belongs.

Ours is somewhat like that, but my wife's car lives on the road
outside.
The driveway is only long enough for one car and access along the
side
of the house, while useable for my kit-car or trailer, is too
narrow
for
everyday use - involving inching though with mirrors folded!

We are lucky, many houses only have access 3' to 4' wide to the
back
garden. The houses were built in 1934/35 and cars weren't a
consideration.

I would never have bought a house like that. I like my cars on my
own
property. My drive holds 5, plus 1 in the garage (if I hadn't
converted
it). I've only ever owned up to 3 cars at once. Owning a car
without
space to put it is like buying a computer motherboard with no case
to
hold it in and just leaving it running on the floor.

If you want to live in the area, that's generally what you get
unless
you are very well off.

Then don't live in that area, it's obviously ****. It's akin to
buying
something very expensive from Harrods instead of going to Aldi.

As I've lived in the area all my life and my wife grew up here, it
makes
sense to stay in an area we are happy with, near friends and family.
It
makes life both nicer and easier - easy to drop round for a visit and
on-hand to help out when needed ... which works both ways. It is an
area
with easy motorway connections for working anywhere within a pretty
large area - hence not a cheap, run-down area.

I've never understood relatives wanting to stay where they are. My
family have moved all over the country (form London to the Highlands).
The invention of the motor car allows visits when desired, and also
allows you to be away from them!

We can live perfectly separately 3/4 of a mile apart and not see each
other for weeks, but also be able to drop in while passing or phone up
half way through some work for a helping hand or to borrow a specific
tool that'd make it easier. When the children were younger, we could
decide to go out shopping, phone to see if it was convenient and drop
them off within a few minutes, rather than dragging them around with us
when they didn't want to be there. My parents can be round with a few
minutes notice if I am already at work and my wife is not well enough
that morning to get the youngest to school - she has a chronic illness
that severely limits her at times.

Family and friends provide a support network and you provide supposrt
for them. Why would you want to throw that away by living further away?

It depends how you get on with your relatives. Some people want to be
sure they won't just turn up!

Yeah, that's why yours ****ed off and your parents paid
the deposit on the hovel a long way from them.

Not exactly.

Fraid so.